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CGP
04-13-2009, 08:44 PM
Full Article @ Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anand-gopal/what-you-should-know-abou_b_186225.html)


Just as the world's eyes are turning towards Afghanistan once again, a few conservative Afghan lawmakers are trying to pass a law that would, amongst other things, legalize marital rape, prohibit women from leaving the home without permission, deny them the right of inheritance, force a woman to "preen for her husband as and when he desires," and set the minimum female marital age to sixteen.

The draft proposal, which is aimed only at the country's Shia minority, recalls for many the harsh strictures of the Taliban era and has been roundly condemned in the international community: Hillary Clinton said that she is "deeply concerned" about the law, Obama found it "abhorrent", and others in the West have asked, "Is this what our soldiers are dying for?" The international condemnation has forced the Karzai administration to shelve the law for the time being, as the Afghan government pledges to look at the details of the bill more closely.

While the world buzzes about this latest setback for Afghan women, you might be wondering just what exactly the bill says about women's rights in Afghanistan.

What do Afghan women think about this law?

Most Afghan women have never heard of it. This is because the majority of Afghans are rural, living without electricity or a connection to the happenings in Kabul. Afghan women suffer from the lowest literacy rate in the world, at 13 percent. And the ones that are familiar with it mostly shrug their shoulders, because the conditions that the law imposes are no different than those that already exist in their everyday lives. The typical woman from the country's south or east, for example, cannot leave her home without a male guardian. She must wear the burqa in public at all times, and in some villages she must even don one in private. Marital rape is the norm in a society where sex is a man's right, not a woman's.

According to the UK-based NGO Womankind, anywhere between sixty and eighty percent of marriages are forced, 57 percent of brides are under the age of 16, and 87 percent complain of domestic violence. UNIFEM says that 65 percent of widows in Kabul see suicide as their only option to "get rid of their miseries and desolation." Thousands of women turn to self-immolation every year. There are no reliable stats on rape, as most women will never report it. This is because women can be convicted of zina, extramarital sex, if knowledge of the rape becomes public. In most of the country, even a woman just found outside of her home without the permission of her male guardian will be thrown in jail and tried as an adulterer.



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Tim4Hillary
04-13-2009, 11:45 PM
Very sad. It does make me think "what are we there for?" I particularly didn't like the quote about Karzai saying they would shelve the law "for now." What does that mean - - when the U.S. and world isn't looking they will pass it? There is no excuse for this kind of treatment of women or any other group for that matter. Again, this is how religion (sorry to use that word) has been hijacked to support despicable behavior. This underscores the reason why I, and I think many on this board, have such a hostile view towards extremism in ANY religion or group for that matter. Simply put - this is what we are fighting against.

CGP
04-13-2009, 11:52 PM
Afghanistan is an absolute wasteland if you are a woman. It's a digusting situation and one which enrages me.

Jester
04-13-2009, 11:52 PM
Once again, this is a huge opportunity being overlooked.

hillary4change
04-14-2009, 02:10 AM
This is horrible.

Again, the silence from our country is deafening.

It makes me very sad. Where is the outrage?

Horizon
04-14-2009, 02:26 AM
I recommend reading A Thousand Splendid Suns to get the full grasp of what it's like to be a woman in Afghanistan. The damn book had me in tears at least once every chapter. Same author as The Kite Runner. I'm hoping it is made into a movie also. It's an important story that needs to be seen and not just read about.

Tim4Hillary
04-14-2009, 05:00 AM
I recommend reading A Thousand Splendid Suns to get the full grasp of what it's like to be a woman in Afghanistan. The damn book had me in tears at least once every chapter. Same author as The Kite Runner. I'm hoping it is made into a movie also. It's an important story that needs to be seen and not just read about.

I'd like to read it. I thought the Kite Runner was excellent. I didn't like the movie though. Also, I thought he pushed the envelope just a wee too much in the book when it got to the part where the rapist was some kind of war lord. To me the story would have been more effective without that last little push of his.

Horizon
04-14-2009, 05:22 AM
I'd like to read it. I thought the Kite Runner was excellent. I didn't like the movie though. Also, I thought he pushed the envelope just a wee too much in the book when it got to the part where the rapist was some kind of war lord. To me the story would have been more effective without that last little push of his.
I have to say, I enjoyed A Thousand Splendid Suns more. Maybe because I am a woman? The fear of ever having to live this way was unimaginable as I read. I made my 18 yr old daughter read it too. She asked me how close to the truth was it? I had to tell her that sadly, this is a way of life for women there. It's amazing to read, and see how very different their lives were before the war came, and brought the Taliban.

Get it and read it.

Oh, and I agree, I thought it was a bit to much and overly dramatic. Funny thing, the night I rented The Kite Runner, I inadvertently rented Charlie Wilsons War. We plugged in The Kite Runner first, and when I realized the plot, and my kids were asking questions, I just told them to watch, and the next movie would explain everything. They were old enough to be mortified that at the end of Charlie Wilsons War, what they had just seen in the Kite Runner, could have been avoided if people had continued to listen to Charlie Wilson. Very sad to think of in that context.

Tim4Hillary
04-14-2009, 05:52 AM
Get it and read it.

Oh, and I agree, I thought it was a bit to much and overly dramatic. Funny thing, the night I rented The Kite Runner, I inadvertently rented Charlie Wilsons War. We plugged in The Kite Runner first, and when I realized the plot, and my kids were asking questions, I just told them to watch, and the next movie would explain everything. They were old enough to be mortified that at the end of Charlie Wilsons War, what they had just seen in the Kite Runner, could have been avoided if people had continued to listen to Charlie Wilson. Very sad to think of in that context.

oh, I definitely will get it soon. That is a sad and strange confluence of events with the two movies. Good that your kids are learning from these things.

Horizon
04-14-2009, 05:55 AM
oh, I definitely will get it soon. That is a sad and strange confluence of events with the two movies. Good that your kids are learning from these things.

They want to rent a lot of crap, but I make sure they get at least one movie that will make them think. Tonight it was Religulous. They got a hoot out of it. It really made them think and opened up an interesting discussion. Of course, they watched while I was gone! I'm watching it tomorrow, and the boys think we should a family round table about it.

Tim4Hillary
04-14-2009, 05:58 AM
They want to rent a lot of crap, but I make sure they get at least one movie that will make them think. Tonight it was Religulous. They got a hoot out of it. It really made them think and opened up an interesting discussion. Of course, they watched while I was gone! I'm watching it tomorrow, and the boys think we should a family round table about it.

That's great if they want to have a round table! That shows that they are really interested. :thumbsup:

Jester
04-14-2009, 06:00 AM
could have been avoided if people had continued to listen to Charlie Wilson. Very sad to think of in that context.

I'm guessing if we had *finished*, we would have been viewed as sticking our nose in their private affairs. Perhaps a puppet govt. accusations, etc, etc.

So we should stay in Iraq and finish the job, correct?

Horizon
04-14-2009, 06:04 AM
I'm guessing if we had *finished*, we would have been viewed as sticking our nose in their private affairs. Perhaps a puppet govt. accusations, etc, etc.

So we should stay in Iraq and finish the job, correct?

What went on in Afghanistan and what we did in Iraq are two completely different things to begin with, but I will say this. I'm not sure that totally pulling out and not trying to repair the damage we caused is wise. I think we will be looking at another Afghanistan in a very short time.

Of course, we had less than zero business there to begin with. Al Queda and Bin Laden were not in Iraq, but sadly, that fact was ignored.:(

Jester
04-14-2009, 06:35 AM
I'm not sure that totally pulling out and not trying to repair the damage we caused is wise.


Yes, the damage we caused. Sure. Some might even say Iraq and Afghanistan 1980-90 have quite a few parallels.

Are your history books missing pages?
YouTube - Kuwait oil fields burning Gulf War 1991

YouTube - Operation Opera 1981(Destroying Saddam's Nuclear Reactor)


http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/SV/Invo/reports/s_1997_779.pdf
The evolution of Iraq's strategy for the protection, concealment, salvaging and unilateral destruction of materials, equipment, documents and buildings related to its clandestine nuclear programme. The counterpart was asked to cover the details of the actual removal, transfer, concealment, destruction and redistribution of materials and equipment as outlined in the annex to FFCD-F.

The progress in the design and development of the Iraqi nuclear weapon after the version reported in Petrochemical Project 3 (PC-3) Report 821, Revision 5, dated 14 July 1990, and the post-war plan to misrepresent the mission of the Al Atheer nuclear weapons development and production facility.


And I suggest you read Hans Blix's actual reports to the UN. They were far less dismissive than what was being reported. Hans Blix himself was actually calling for military backing.

Or should we have just left the sanctions in place, because this was not the world was requesting a mere months before the Iraqi War. The sanctions were destroying the Iraqi people ... far more than the 1991 Gulf War.