(April 13, 2009) "Minn. court declared Franken leading vote-getter" (AP)

[Tim4Hillary]

More thuggery "from the loyal opposition party." Full article here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_go_co/minnesota_senate).

A Minnesota court confirmed Monday that Democrat Al Franken won the most votes in his 2008 Senate race against Republican Norm Coleman, who had already announced plans to appeal the decision.

Coleman has 10 days to appeal to the state Supreme Court. Once the petition is filed, it could further delay the seating of Minnesota's second senator for weeks. I guess this is Coleman's idea of McCain's "Country First" theme <snark>

"The overwhelming weight of the evidence indicates that the November 4, 2008, election was conducted fairly, impartially and accurately," the judges wrote. "There is no evidence of a systematic problem of disenfranchisement in the state's election system, including in its absentee-balloting procedures."

Coleman's trial began in January and his appeal could push the race into May or beyond.

More evidence of why we need to pulverize this party into the ground, then maybe just maybe, they will get it. One can only hope! :eek::eek:

[CGP]

Not directly related to this story, but read the article below - it presents another example of Republican politicians disregarding the rule of law and scoffing at decisions of courts when things don't go their (Republicans) way:

Iowa gay-marriage opponents hold soggy rally (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-ia-xgr-iowagaymarria,0,6959711.story)

[Tim4Hillary]

Thank you. I think thuggery is thuggery no matter who's doing the thugging. Isn't that how the song goes? Oh well, you catch my drift! :D

[VotingHillary]

Funny....none of us felt this way with Gore vs. Bush in 2000..the more things change the more they stay the same.

[TheTaoOfBill]

Funny....none of us felt this way with Gore vs. Bush in 2000..the more things change the more they stay the same.

that's because there was strong evidence of fraud on all levels during the 2000 elections. The same can't be said for this election.

[Jester]

that's because there was strong evidence of fraud on all levels during the 2000 elections. The same can't be said for this election.

I guess it is the eye of the beholder. Bush/Gore, Clinton/Obama, douche/turd sandwich.

This whole Franken/Coleman election has been a study in changing positions. Parallels to the Burris confirmation even exist. How is scumbag Burris doing by the way? Did he join the CBC to Cuba. I know his race-baiting, Obama beating slow-witted friend Bobby Rush did.

[VotingHillary]

that's because there was strong evidence of fraud on all levels during the 2000 elections. The same can't be said for this election.

From your viewpoint, probably not. From the other side of the aisle, you bet they think there is.

From my viewpoint, same shit...different party...and bottom line...the voters are screwed again by intercession of the courts.

[OzDemocrat]

From your viewpoint, probably not. From the other side of the aisle, you bet they think there is.

From my viewpoint, same shit...different party...and bottom line...the voters are screwed again by intercession of the courts.
But thats not the case.

In Florida the federal supreme court overruled a decision of the states supreme court that resulted in a stop of a recount process.

In Minnesota, the state supreme court has supported all recounts and the reassessment and (where appropriate) inclusion of previously rejected ballots. Coleman may still appeal to the federal, and while it may be in the parties best intrest to extend the process as long as possible, the chance of this result changing appears to be slim to none.

An article on NRO by a conservative commentator (that for some reason i now cant find) stated
There is not much good to say about Franken, but he did not steal the election.
http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:27YARqY-WbQJ:article.nationalreview.com/%3Fq%3DOTg5M2RjZjZkNDk5NWFhOGRlODMzMGMwOTg3YWViY2U %3D%26w%3DMA%3D%3D+scott+johnson+site:nationalrevi ew.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

[Tim4Hillary]

Yes, the courts upheld the will of the voters in this case. That is a good thing. The winner is the winner. 2 + 2 = 4. Franken won and Coleman should move on and stop spending all that taxpayer money that he says he so hell bent against. Can you say hypocrite? I knew you could. Sorry to be so snarky but sh*t like this pi**es my off. He is wasting time and money. And I thought Burris should go too. So this is not a we vs them thingy!

[Classical Liberal]

Not directly related to this story, but read the article below - it presents another example of Republican politicians disregarding the rule of law and scoffing at decisions of courts when things don't go their (Republicans) way:

Like Washington, D.C. and all the Leftist states and their position on guns even though the Supreme Court ruled its (D.C.'s) rules unconstitutional? This goes both ways, it's politics.

There are ample examples of the Left taking things to the courts when the people vote on something and they don't like the outcome, like Proposition 8 in California. One can talk about rights, but if that's the case, don't hold a vote for it in the first place.

that's because there was strong evidence of fraud on all levels during the 2000 elections. The same can't be said for this election.

There was strong evidence of fraud in the recent Presidential election in some areas I believe, however not for this particular election.

However, I do not know how any person could vote for Al Franken, the guy is a buffoon, a blatant, blatant liar, a radical socialist, and also an embarassment to the Democrat party, I mean even they are cautious of him.

[Suzan]

JMO, but with these two candidates, it's the lesser of evils. Franken is too goofy to live, no matter what his intentions, and there's something incredibly slimy about Coleman. Minnesotans lose either way.

OTOH, they elected Jesse Ventura governor and among other things, he declared July 4th, 2002 as Invisible Day. Maybe they're getting what they deserve?

[smiledr]

they elected Jesse Ventura governor and among other things, he declared July 4th, 2002 as Invisible Day.

What was Invisible Day?

[Laura Cereta]

From your viewpoint, probably not. From the other side of the aisle, you bet they think there is.

From my viewpoint, same shit...different party...and bottom line...the voters are screwed again by intercession of the courts.

I'd rather have the courts intercede than have a fraudulent outcome. At least this court reviewed the process and made sure all the votes were counted. That's a lot different than a court stepping in and stopping a recount (Gore v. Bush).

[Suzan]

What was Invisible Day?
Whoops, my mistake! It's Indivisible Day. I originally followed a link that was making fun of his support of church/state separation, calling it Invisible Day.

Here's his actual statement, as found on Widipedia:

Ventura endorsed equal rights for religious minorities, as well as people who don't believe in God, by declaring July 4, 2002, "Indivisible Day" through this proclamation:

"WHEREAS: The unique feature of this nation at its founding was its establishment of a secular Constitution that separated government from religion - something never done before; and WHEREAS: Our secular Constitution has enabled people of all worldviews to coexist in harmony, undivided by sectarian strife; and WHEREAS: President James Madison made clear the importance of maintaining this harmony when he said, "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the endless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries"; and WHEREAS: The diversity of our people requires mutual respect and equal protection for all our citizens, including minority groups, if we are to remain "One nation, indivisible"; and WHEREAS: It is the unfettered diversity of ideas and worldviews that have made our nation the strongest and most productive in the world; and WHEREAS: Eternal vigilance must be maintained to guard against those who seek to stifle ideas, establish a narrow orthodoxy, and divide our nation along arbitrary lines of race, ethnicity, and religious belief or non-belief. NOW, THEREFORE, I, JESSE VENTURA, Governor of Minnesota, do hereby proclaim that Thursday, July 4, 2002 shall be observed as: INDIVISIBLE DAY In the State Of Minnesota."

[foxyladi]

Thank you. I think thuggery is thuggery no matter who's doing the thugging. Isn't that how the song goes? Oh well, you catch my drift! :D

hillarystamp!

[Tim4Hillary]

hillarystamp!

Yep - it is what is....:eek:

[agatha]

More evidence of why we need to pulverize this party into the ground, then maybe just maybe, they will get it. One can only hope! :eek::eek:



I can't say it often enough. This country NEEDS two strong parties. A single strong party and a marginal second party is essentially fascism.

[Mangolynn]

More thuggery "from the loyal opposition party." Full article here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_go_co/minnesota_senate).

I guess this is Coleman's idea of McCain's "Country First" theme <snark>





More evidence of why we need to pulverize this party into the ground, then maybe just maybe, they will get it. One can only hope! :eek::eek:

As a Minnesotan, I have to disagree with your analysis and sniping at the Republican Party. Are you aware that the court bent over backwards to count some extremely questionable votes... such as someone who crossed out Franken's name and wrote in "Frankenstein"? That ballot should not have been counted (for Franken by the way). Franken "won" by 312 votes. Included in those 312 votes are votes that were NOT turned in to the election board in a timely manner. They were discovered a week later in the trunk of an election workers car. Officials failed to keep track of damaged ballots and may have counted the duplicate ballots as well as the originals.. Also, are you aware that more than 1200 absentee ballots were not counted? The court ruled that voting in abstensia is a "privilge" and not a right.

The "loyal opposition party" has a right to be upset over this ruling, but it's being dealt with in a very proper way.

[Jester]

Franken "won" by 312 votes. Included in those 312 votes are votes that were NOT turned in to the election board in a timely manner. They were discovered a week later in the trunk of an election workers car. Officials failed to keep track of damaged ballots and may have counted the duplicate ballots as well as the originals.. Also, are you aware that more than 1200 absentee ballots were not counted? The court ruled that voting in abstensia is a "privilge" and not a right.


That doesn't fit in with the shaping of the story. Franken was the first to talk about the need to do it right and make sure every vote was counted (while he was behind). The two opponents changed that thinking 180 as the lead changed.

[smiledr]

Whoops, my mistake! It's Indivisible Day. I originally followed a link that was making fun of his support of church/state separation, calling it Invisible Day.



Thanks! I googled invisible day and came up empty.

[Suzan]

Thanks! I googled invisible day and came up empty.


So did I when I tried to retrace my steps. But I swear there was a link about Ventura and Invisible Day! Unfortunately it disappeared on me, which I guess makes it ... invisible.