(5-6-09) "Britain bans Michael Savage, 21 others" (LA Times) All blacklisted as 'hate promoters'

[Suzan]

Does anyone here listen to Savage? I haven't since before the primaries, but I can remember him being more extreme than say Rush or some of the other right-wing talk show hosts.

The outspoken San Francisco radio personality is among 22 people who have been barred from entering the nation as 'hate promoters.'

Reporting from London -- Britain has just two words for controversial California radio talk-show host Michael Savage:

Keep out.

The San Francisco-based Savage, known for his fiery right-wing views, is one of 22 people who have been banned from entering Britain since October, when the government here concluded that they were agents of extremism and intolerance.

Officials Tuesday publicly identified most of the people on the blacklist, in keeping with the national penchant for "naming and shaming" anyone guilty of a crime, a gross injustice or an outbreak of really bad manners.

Among those for whom Britain has pulled up the welcome mat are radical Islamist preachers, a Jewish extremist, a pair of Russian gangsters and at least five Americans: Savage, who has attacked the Koran as a "book of hate"; two white supremacist leaders; and a father-daughter team that travels up and down the U.S. vilifying gay people, sometimes with placards using an epithet for gays and proclaiming that God hates homosexuals.
Jacqui Smith, Britain's home secretary, said she made the decision to publish 16 of the names because potential visitors ought to be aware of what British society considers acceptable behavior.

Six of the barred individuals were kept anonymous, probably for intelligence reasons.

"It's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," Smith told a television interviewer.

Savage told the Internet site WorldNetDaily that he was considering legal action against Britain.

"Darn! And I was just planning a trip to England for their superior dental work and cuisine," he joked to the website. "Then it sank in, and I said, 'She said this is the kind of behavior we won't tolerate? She's linking me with mass murderers who are in prison for killing Jewish children on buses? For my speech? The country where the Magna Carta was created?' "

The government's descriptions of the 22 barred "hate promoters" provide almost no details of their religious or ideological backgrounds, or of the targets of their hatred. The published blacklist merely alleges, in bureaucratese, that one man glorified terrorist activity "in furtherance of particular beliefs" or, in Savage's case, engaged in "unacceptable behavior" that could "lead to inter-community violence."

Among those named were Yunis al-Astal, a radical anti-Western Islamic cleric and Hamas member in the Gaza Strip; Mike Guzovsky, an Israeli Jewish extremist said to be involved in militant training camps; and Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, Russian skinheads who, as teenagers, boasted two years ago of killing about 20 members of ethnic minorities.

Besides Savage, the list identified Americans Stephen Donald Black and Eric Gliebe, both of whom openly espouse white supremacist views, and Baptist preacher Fred Phelps of Topeka, Kan., and his daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, who call for divine wrath to be visited on gays and lesbians.

Full story: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britain-list6-2009may06,0,5748988.story

[Laura Cereta]

I won't say I appreciate "hate" speech but I'm really glad we had a revolution a couple hundred years ago. Banning people based on speech is a little too totalitarian for my taste.

[Spang]

Awwww. Poor guy can't get into England. :(

[Ikasu]

This is just going to make their audiences larger.

I know the right-wing is going crazy over this, but Greenwald takes them to task:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/06/free_speech/index.html

[Suzan]

I wish they'd given some examples of what he said that got him banned.

I agree with Hillfan86. This will probably make him famous, unless that comment about the Koran being a book of hate gets him killed first.

[Spang]

I wish they'd given some examples of what he said that got him banned.

Most examples can probably be found here. (http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/michael_savage)

[mack20]

Some other wonderful Michael Savage quotes:

Had Mr. Bush gone along with Feinstein's request, you can be sure Barbara "Babs" Boxer would demand to be in the loop-in the interest of fairness. I guarantee it, two seconds after Babs put her hands on these national secrets, she'd be on a cell phone to someone in Brooklyn:

You know what I just heard. Let me tell you, they're going to launch in two minutes. Oh yeah, it'll be over Afghanistan... No, I don't want you to tell anybody, it's just between you and me, and by the way, I had my nails done this morning. Oh, I had them done in pink, and yeah, were launching three B3 bombers in exactly twelve minutes but I tell you the truth, the jewelry I bought on QVC, it really doesn't hold up when I go on C-SPIN, you know, it looks a little cheap... (P. 50)

Women are too frivolous to be trusted with state secrets.

"DON'T TALK ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF BUMS WHO LIVE IN TIN HUTS, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN VOTE...ANYONE WHO GOES ON WELFARE SHOULD LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE, THEY ARE PARASITES." [APRIL 18, 2002]

Poor people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

"What will it take to wake you up to the fact that you are being erased from the future of America? And why are you being erased? If you're a person of European descent, why do they want your child to be a minority in America? And when your little girl is a minority in America, what will happen to her? Tell me what will happen to her? Do you think that the minorities, when they take over the country, will be quite as benevolent and as enlightened as the European-Americans are today?"

The big scary minorities are taking over and they're going to come after your little daughters next!!!

"The Islamists smell weakness in the West and are attacking us on several fronts at once: one, through outright war; two, through immigration; three, through their propaganda disseminated through the liberal media and four, through the liberal courts. Only a devastating military blow against the hearts of Islamic terror coupled with an outright ban on Muslim immigration, laws making the dissemination of enemy propaganda illegal, and the uncoupling of the liberal ACLU can save the United States. I would also make the construction of mosques illegal in America and the speaking of English only in the streets of the United States the law."

No Muslims Allowed in Michael Savage's tree fort.

"Multiculturalism has completely failed America. It is a disaster, an unmitigated disaster. Multiculturalism -- as a premise that all cultures are equal and all cultures have an equal amount to contribute to the world -- that's utter hogwash! The reason my ancestors came to this country as immigrants, and the reason your immigrants -- ancestors came to this country as immigrants is because of the great enterprise created by White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants. It is the greatest country ever created in the world. It is built upon the best -- the best of the White, Anglo-Saxon world."

White Anglo-Saxons are the greatest people in the world, without exception.

Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot."

Autistic kids are just a bunch of big fakers.

"So there are the vermin now celebrating twisted perverse marriage in the middle of America. It's a victory for perversion in my opinion. You want me to tell you what makes me sick? When I see two puffy white males kissing each other, I wanna puke. When I see two women kissing each other, on the lips, as lovers, I wanna vomit. Why? It's unnatural. It's against all of the laws of mankind. It's against all the laws of humankind. It is suicide for a society to embrace such behavior."

oh noes, I might catch the gay!

CLINTON [audio clip]: What message does it send when the Supreme Court decides that women's health doesn't matter? Now that Justice --

SAVAGE: Hold it, hold it. Women's health? You liar. You know, you are really a sickening person, Hillary. I've got to tell you, I've kept my hands away from this. But I will not stand idly by while you're talking about killing embryos up to the ninth month and call it women's health. That's rubbish. That's Hitler dialogue. Goebbels would be proud of you, Hillary Clinton. I know Mao Zedong would have been proud of you. But this is life and death you are talking about. It's not about women's health. It's about killing babies in the womb up to the ninth month.

Hitler would have been proud of Hillary for wanting to protect women's rights.

"I had to explain to my young son why these two men were holding hands the other day," said one caller on the June 16th broadcast of anti-gay radio show host Michael Savage's radio show.

Savage responded:

"You've got to explain to the children ... why God told people this was wrong. You have to explain this to them in this time of mental rape that's going on. The children's minds are being raped by the homosexual mafia, that's my position. They're raping our children's minds."

It's the gaaaaaaaaay. It's coming for our kids and it's going to raaaaaape their miiiiiiiiinds!!!!1!11!

[Meg]

When I see two women kissing each other, on the lips, as lovers, I wanna vomit.

Sure Michael, sure!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[WASTRIC]

I wonder if Janeane Garofalo is one of the 6 they are not publicly naming that are on the banned list? :-/

[mack20]

Sure Michael, sure!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

That's two women who are LOVERS. Something tells me that when it's two drunk college girls who aren't in a committed lesbian relationship it's a-okay with Michael.

[mavfin]

When I see two women kissing each other, on the lips, as lovers, I wanna vomit.

Sure Michael, sure!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Yeah, vomit wasn't the word I was thinking of, either. Maybe they'd need to repeat it while I watch so I could tell if they were going to need um, counseling. Yeah, that's it. Counseling. Really. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :laughing::surprise:

That's two women who are LOVERS. Something tells me that when it's two drunk college girls who aren't in a committed lesbian relationship it's a-okay with Michael.

Unlike Michael, I'm not that picky about it. :D

Hey, even guys kissing don't make me want to vomit. I just don't care to watch either. Not my show. :p

[Spang]

I wonder if Janeane Garofalo is one of the 6 they are not publicly naming that are on the banned list? :-/

For this comment?

“Let’s be very honest about what this is about,” she said. “It’s not about bashing Democrats, it’s not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.”

[NativeSun]

I wonder if Janeane Garofalo is one of the 6 they are not publicly naming that are on the banned list? :-/

Probably not, but they should ban her for being a bad actress. Maybe the Brits are throwing them in the pool of banned people so as not to appear that they're only trying to ban those who are Muslim. Or they're just pissed at us for sending them Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow.

[WASTRIC]

I thought Paltrow was a dual citizen, one parent a brit, the other a yank. but I could be wrong. :-)

Spang, it sure sounds like hate speech to me. ignorant hate speech at that. That being given, I was being sarcastic.

[Spang]

Spang, it sure sounds like hate speech to me.

A lot of the signs I saw at these TEA parties was hate speech.

[WASTRIC]

most were not, and several people reported that those they questioned about their racist signs appeared to be plants trying to stir up crap. Yes some were racist. Unfortunately the flakes show up at protests.
She is making the blanket condemnation that anyone that went to or supports this kind of protest are only doing it because they are racist. That there can be no other reason.
Thats kinda like saying that anyone that protests the US involvement in Iraq must be islamic terrorists bent on bombing the western world into submission.

[Spang]

Thats kinda like saying that anyone that protests the US involvement in Iraq must be islamic terrorists bent on bombing the western world into submission.

Those people are labeled un-American.

If conservatives protest the government, they're patriotic. If liberals do it, they're un-American.

[WASTRIC]

and you are not ok with them calling people un american. just as I am not ok with her calling anyone that protests the current admin and or current congress are racist rednecks.
I don't always agree with what people are protesting about, but as long as they are not breaking laws, indangering others or infringing on others rights with their protests, I support their right to protest.

[Suzan]

That statement of Garofolo's p*sses me off as much as some of the ridiculous filth Savage is spewing. It's extreme, hypocritical and dangerous, imo.

Wastric makes a good point. When the left wing condemns the right wing's right to protest, when they stereotype, ridicule and tag all of them as racists because of a few whack jobs with signs, that's hypocrisy at its most dangerous extreme. They would actually deny other Americans the rights they fought and protested for???

[Jobu86]

That statement of Garofolo's p*sses me off as much as some of the ridiculous filth Savage is spewing. It's extreme, hypocritical and dangerous, imo.

Wastric makes a good point. When the left wing condemns the right wing's right to protest, when they stereotype, ridicule and tag all of them as racists because of a few whack jobs with signs, that's hypocrisy at its most dangerous extreme. They would actually deny other Americans the rights they fought and protested for???

It happens both ways. The right and foxnews ridiculed the left for the anti-war protests for being un-american and the left ridicules the right for these tea-party protests as racist. While both might be true for a few cases, the majority of the time both sides are being ridiculous.

[Spang]

I'm willing to bet there were more racist rednecks at the TEA parties than un-Americans at all anti-war protests from 2000 to 2008 combined.

Also, George W. Bush's decision to unjustly invade Iraq has gotten 4,284 (http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx) Americans dead as of this post.

[Suzan]

I'm willing to bet there were more racist rednecks at the TEA parties than un-Americans at all anti-war protests from 2000 to 2008 combined.

This statment is meaningless until you've defined terms, in this case, racist redneck and un-American. And while you're at it, please explain why they're in anyway equivalent.

It's not un-American to protest your government. IMO, it is un-American, or something close, to deny Americans who don't share your beliefs their constitutional right to protest.

[Spang]

It's not un-American to protest your government. IMO, it is un-American, or something close, to deny Americans who don't share your beliefs their constitutional right to protest.

No one is denying these teabaggers their right to protest. They're gonna go at it again on July 4th.

[Suzan]

No one is denying these teabaggers their right to protest. They're gonna go at it again on July 4th.
The left wing don't have the power to deny their right to protest. What they're doing is worse. They're marginalizing and slandering the entire group by labeling them racists and representing them only by the actions of a radical few.

If the left wing was honest and true to their convictions, they'd be celebrating everyone's right to protest. They fought their butts off for that right in the sixties. And many of us were right there with them. They are turning out to be the biggest hypocrites of all, and that includes the liberal feminists, who support and defend only the women who believe the way they do.

The left has always carried the banner for human and civil rights. They've always been in the forefront of that fight, but now, apparently, if you don't share their beliefs, they don't give a crap about your rights--and would do any underhanded thing they could to undermine them.

[Spang]

The left wing don't have the power to deny their right to protest. What they're doing is worse. They're marginalizing and slandering the entire group by labeling them racists and representing them only by the actions of a radical few.

If the left wing was honest and true to their convictions, they'd be celebrating everyone's right to protest. They fought their butts off for that right in the sixties. And many of us were right there with them. They are turning out to be the biggest hypocrites of all, and that includes the liberal feminists, who support and defend only the women who believe the way they do.

The left has always carried the banner for human and civil rights. They've always been in the forefront of that fight, but now, apparently, if you don't share their beliefs, they don't give a crap about your rights--and would do any underhanded thing they could to undermine them.

When conservatives protest the government, do liberals lose their right to criticize?

[Suzan]

When conservatives protest the government, do liberals lose their right to criticize?
No, of course not. If this was only about criticism, it wouldn't be a problem. It's about marginalizing, it's about slandering. It's about making the protesters look like Nazis and skinheads in order to discredit them.

That's not criticism. That's demonizing the other side--and that's all it is. The entire effort has been to demonize the other side rather than deal with the issues they're protesting.

[Spang]

No, of course not. If this was only about criticism, it wouldn't be a problem. It's about marginalizing, it's about slandering. It's about making the protesters look like Nazis and skinheads in order to discredit them.

That's not criticism. That's demonizing the other side--and that's all it is. The entire effort has been to demonize the other side rather than deal with the issues they're protesting.

There was too much going on at these protests. That's my biggest criticism. This wasn't a bunch of people protesting the same thing. It was a bunch of people protesting all kinds of <CENSORED>. These protests could have had an impact but I think they fell short as a result of the pot luck approach.

[Suzan]

There was too much going on at these protests. That's my biggest criticism. This wasn't a bunch of people protesting the same thing. It was a bunch of people protesting all kinds of <CENSORED>. These protests could have had an impact but I think they fell short as a result of the pot luck approach.

I think you're right. That's a valid criticism. :)>-

[TheTaoOfBill]

Does anyone here listen to Savage?
Not since the wonder years

[Suzan]

Not since the wonder years

My, how little Fred has changed. :cool:

[mavfin]

now, apparently, if you don't share their beliefs, they don't give a crap about your rights--and would do any underhanded thing they could to undermine them.

The far left and far right are *both* doing this. For example, the far right social conservatives basically say that gays don't need any rights because they shouldn't exist anyway, and the far left is using the same tactics on their opposition, by marginalizing them, equating them with Nazism, etc.

They're both effectively saying 'Freedom is what we say it is, and anything outside of that is wrong.' Which is just plain stupid.

[Jester]

I'm willing to bet there were more racist rednecks at the TEA parties than un-Americans at all anti-war protests from 2000 to 2008 combined.

Also, George W. Bush's decision to unjustly invade Iraq has gotten 4,284 (http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx) Americans dead as of this post.

That is because you are a racist.

[Spang]

That is because you are a racist.

The only people I hate worse than racists are Muslims and Mexicans.

[Jester]

The only people I hate worse than racists are Muslims and Mexicans.

Well, that's just common sense.

[Suzan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spang
The only people I hate worse than racists are Muslims and Mexicans.

Originally posted by Jester
Well, that's just common sense.

LOL. You two are so full of sh*t. Are your eyes brown?

[CGP]

After reading some of those quotes by this freak, sounds like England made a wise decision.

Now, how do we ban him from his own country?! :thinking:

His comments about gay people are truly disgusting & 100% unforgiveable.