Obama & Miss California

[Tybee]

YouTube - Barack Obama on Gay Marriage



YouTube - Miss USA California Responds To Gay Marriage Question From Perez Hilton

[Suzan]

Hm, I guess Obama could be Miss California. They've never been seen together in the same place.

[Spang]

Two totally different answers.

[Jester]

Two totally different answers.

Stay on topic. He didn't want to hear your autobiography.

[The_Basseteer]

From:The Anchoress
(http://www.firstthings.com/theanchoress/)May 12, 2009
Prejean; cautionary tale for Christians
(http://www.firstthings.com/theanchoress/2009/05/12/prejean-cautionary-tale-for-christians/)
Good for her. In America, we should not be watching a person endure character assassination and the possible loss of livelihood because she has committed the sin of daring to hold a “politically incorrect” position. Prejean was asked a question and she answered it. In America, once upon a time, the people who referred to themselves as “liberal” believed that one was entitled to one’s opinion and to full respect for it. Currently in America, every diversity is celebrated except the diversity of thought. Sadly, some in the nation have decided that thuggery, rather than respectful, reasonable argument, is a more expedient means of persuasion. They think “agree, or be destroyed” is a legitimate argument, as is its flip-side; “shut up to be safe.”

What did I say a long time ago (http://www.firstthings.com/theanchoress/2006/05/16/blog-meltdowns-egos-and-echo-chambers/):

The fascist is whoever is trying to shut you up, shut you down, dis-employ you, silence you, cripple you or marginalize you for the crime of daring to fall out of step with the party and the conventional wisdom. Beware of them.

I guess we have moved beyond “beware of them.” Perhaps I should amend that to say, “be ready to fight them and for you constitutional right to live and work in freedom.”

And don’t think the fascists only exist in one party.

Let this be a lesson to young ladies everywhere, but especially young ladies who profess Christ; if you’re going to take off your top for a camera, be prepared (sooner or later) to have to answer for it, both in this world, and the next. But in this world, the chances are you will have to defend your nudity against the jeers, sneers and fake prudery of those “open-minded” folks who would never, for an instant, tolerate anyone telling them what they should or should not do with their own bodies, but will crucify you for the choices you made with your own. You’ll have to answer for it because when you profess yourself a Christian, you choose exile, and you will be held to a different standard, entirely, than the world’s.

And that is not a bad thing, but you girls must think about that.

In the next world, of course, you’ll have to answer to Christ, himself, who is much more merciful than the rest of us. He will likely ask you why you threw your pearls before swine.

He may gently ask you if you realized at the time that your actions could lead others into sin, by helping them to treat another human being (you) as a “thing”. (http://www.firstthings.com/theanchoress/2006/12/07/a-great-definition-of-sin/)

And I can tell you from personal experience: that is one awful question to have to contemplate and answer. The day one realizes that one’s actions do not remain static, but pulse out into the world to touch others (like ripples of water in a pebble-tossed pond) is a day that brings you to your knees. You taste the lick of flame, and you cry out for mercy.

Thankfully, there is mercy (http://www.firstthings.com/theanchoress/2009/05/09/vespers-once-there-was-no-mercy-for-you/).

[VotingHillary]

The fascist is whoever is trying to shut you up, shut you down, dis-employ you, silence you, cripple you or marginalize you for the crime of daring to fall out of step with the party and the conventional wisdom. Beware of them.

and that is what she and Obama are trying to do to the gay community. "Nuff said.

[Suzan]

and that is what she and Obama are trying to do to the gay community. "Nuff said.

Yes, exactly what I was thinking when I read those words.

genericstamp!

[Kaylin]

so Obama can be president, but Prejean can't be Miss California.

I don't get it, but what the heck do I know?

[foxyladi]

i,m happy she got to keep her crown..:thumbsup:

[Jester]

Donald Trump was quite brave in not only having her keep her crowd, but announce it publicly himself AND say that Obama said the exact same thing.

If I was in his shoes and had so much to lose, I would be worried about a backlash from O's disciples. Should I check Huffington, DailyKos, Huffington Post, ThinkProgress, Media Matters, etc to watch the plotting of "the Donald's" destruction. Seriously, more people like Trump, Jack Welch, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett need to talk about Obama like this publicly. I think there are flood gates just waiting to burst on Obama.

[Meg]

i,m happy she got to keep her crown..:thumbsup:

I'm not. She violated her contract by not disclosing the semi-nude photos. And unlike Miss Nevada who was stripped of her title, Carrie get's away with it because they want to feel like she's being piled on. She lied and got caught more than once. Not cool.[-X

[Jester]

I'm not. She violated her contract by not disclosing the semi-nude photos. And unlike Miss Nevada who was stripped of her title, Carrie get's away with it because they want to feel like she's being piled on. She lied and got caught more than once. Not cool.[-X

The pageant already approved another contestants similar photos. What decade are you in? These weren't porno or even nude photos. It is a beauty pageant. You are just on a witch hunt. [-X

[Meg]

The pageant already approved another contestants similar photos. What decade are you in? These weren't porno or even nude photos. It is a beauty pageant. You are just on a witch hunt. [-X

Yeah because she showed them! Carrie on the other hand did not. She first signed her contract and did not disclose she took the photos.Then after they came out she lied and said they were taken when she was 17. They weren't, the person who leaked them confirmed that.

Also there was no need for the attitude. Nothing I said warrented that.

[mack20]

It's more that it appears Carrie has lied repeatedly. Not only did she (as Meggles pointed out) fail to disclose the existence of the photos, she then told them it was only one photo taken when she was 17. It turns out it was multiple photos taken after she had turned 18. She then said it was only that one photo shoot. Then the other photos from a separate shoot showed up. Now Carrie is saying that the wind blew her top open, but the photographer who took the pictures is saying that she posed that way on purpose and that she saw the pictures immediately after they were taken and was fine with them.

She has also taken to speaking at events and appearing in ads for groups without notifying the Miss California pageant board, which is another violation of her contract. She has also failed to show up for appearances that were required in her contract.

You can argue till the cows come home whether or not she deserves the attention she's getting, but she HAS breached her contract. She signed it voluntarily and the pageant would have every right in the world to replace her as Miss California for her actions.

[Jester]

You can argue till the cows come home whether or not she deserves the attention she's getting, but she HAS breached her contract. She signed it voluntarily and the pageant would have every right in the world to replace her as Miss California for her actions.

I tell you what. State here without hesitation that all the other contestants did not have any career before the pageants and they disclosed every single photo ever taken of them prior.

You cannot. Because the research was not done on them like it was on Miss CA. The research was started because a certain group of society decided they wanted to destroy her life. A BEAUTY PAGEANT became their focal point. The sentence was declared, then the evidence was dug up. It works the opposite way in the real world.

If you don't believe, go reread this very forum's view on just her statement alone.

So you can pretend this is just some casual checking of all contestants, but you know that is a lie. The proof can be found on this very forum. [-X I'm glad Trump stood up to the slash and burn tactics.

[mack20]

I tell you what. State here without hesitation that all the other contestants did not have any career before the pageants and they disclosed every single photo ever taken of them prior.

You cannot. Because the research was not done on them like it was on Miss CA. The research was started because a certain group of society decided they wanted to destroy her life. A BEAUTY PAGEANT became their focal point. The sentence was declared, then the evidence was dug up. It works the opposite way in the real world.

If you don't believe, go reread this very forum's view on just her statement alone.

So you can pretend this is just some casual checking of all contestants, but you know that is a lie. The proof can be found on this very forum. [-X I'm glad Trump stood up to the slash and burn tactics.

Wait, so because people went looking for the pictures it doesn't matter that she lied about their existence? And then continued to lie about them?

So if I sign a contract at work that says that I have never worked for some other company in my life and someone at work digs into my record and finds out that I did work for the company then I'm not longer responsible for signing a legally binding contract stating I never worked for them? SWEET! I didn't know you could knowingly breach a contract and then claim to be the victim.

[Jester]

Wait, so because people went looking for the pictures it doesn't matter that she lied about their existence? And then continued to lie about them?

So if I sign a contract at work that says that I have never worked for some other company in my life and someone at work digs into my record and finds out that I did work for the company then I'm not longer responsible for signing a legally binding contract stating I never worked for them? SWEET! I didn't know you could knowingly breach a contract and then claim to be the victim.

If you go looking for garbage, you will find it. As an employer, if I had an employee that constantly digs up insignificant items on every single person they disagree with, I would get tired of that employee.

Obviously, this employer, Trump, felt the exact same way.

Funny how Obama not living up to his verbal contract is meaningless and "gotcha" but a picture of a beauty contestant rocks your world. Reconsider your priorities.

[mack20]

If you go looking for garbage, you will find it. As an employer, if I had an employee that constantly digs up insignificant items on every single person they disagree with, I would get tired of that employee.

Obviously, this employer, Trump, felt the exact same way.

Funny how Obama not living up to his verbal contract is meaningless and "gotcha" but a picture of a beauty contestant rocks your world. Reconsider your priorities.


Why do I need to reconsider anything? And who said a picture of a beauty contestant rocked my world? I spent less than 5 minutes typing up the ways in which Carrie Prejean violated her contract, and I knew all the info off the top of my head, so I didn't exactly need to go out of my way to put the post together.

Other than being fairly disgusted at how Prejean has been reacting to the attention (anyone doing commercials for NOM is going to probably garner my dislike), I don't give much of a crap about her.

My basic point still stands. She violated her contract. She lied about violating it. She did MORE to violate it than just take some pictures (see: my examples of her commercial for NOM and missing required appearances). If the Miss California Board of Directors and Trump had decided to remove her, they would have had EVERY LEGAL RIGHT to do so.

But valiant effort to turn the discussion from what Carrie Prejean did wrong to one about how my priorities are apparently all kinds of effed up.

[mavfin]

Yes, she violated her contract to some extent. However, her contract didn't cover being called a 'dumb bitch' in the press by one of the judges because he didn't like her opinion, either. Whether you like her opinion or not, she had every right to answer the question with her honest opinion. Why the hell was a complete moron like that judging the show anyway? (No, being gay does not protect you from being a complete moron, Perez Hilton.)

Doesn't really matter what her contract said now. Trump decides what stays or goes, and it looks like he decided Prejean stays, and whatshername the CA director goes.

As far as the pictures, who cares. The director in CA who got all over her about it has posed for Playboy before, so it's not like she's got any grounds to be holier-than-thou.

[Meg]

Yes, she violated her contract to some extent. However, her contract didn't cover being called a 'dumb bitch' in the press by one of the judges because he didn't like her opinion, either. Whether you like her opinion or not, she had every right to answer the question with her honest opinion. Why the hell was a complete moron like that judging the show anyway? (No, being gay does not protect you from being a complete moron, Perez Hilton.)

Doesn't really matter what her contract said now. Trump decides what stays or goes, and it looks like he decided Prejean stays, and whatshername the CA director goes.

I'm just saying. If one Miss USA was forced to step down for doing the same thing, then they should all be treated that way. She lied, plain and simple. But whatever... that's just how I feel about it. Important or not.

[mavfin]

I'm just saying. If one Miss USA was forced to step down for doing the same thing, then they should all be treated that way. She lied, plain and simple. But whatever... that's just how I feel about it. Important or not.

I understand your point, but, I think someone set her up for what happened, and that wasn't in her contract, either. Basically, she got dumped in a barrel of s--t by a bunch of snakes, and Trump decided she'd had enough crap done to her to make up for anything she'd done wrong.

It's a beauty pageant. <shrug>

[Meg]

It's a beauty pageant. <shrug>

True... :thumbsup:

[sojourner]

While reading the posts on this thread, I get the feeling that people who would normally support her or remain neutral are against her because of her position on marriage and those that would normally be against her or remain neutral are supporting her because of her position. Am I totally off base? Is the gay marriage issue trumping people’s normal belief system?

[Meg]

While reading the posts on this thread, I get the feeling that people who would normally support her or remain neutral are against her because of her position on marriage and those that would normally be against her or remain neutral are supporting her because of her position. Am I totally off base? Is the gay marriage issue trumping people’s normal belief system?

Not me, it has nothing to do with her stance on gay marriage. While I think it's stupid, that's not my issue. I think she should be treated like past contestants who got caught with photos and lied about their existence. Unlike the Tara... who also got to keep her crown!(Testing positive for cocaine, and underage drinking.) What role model she's supposed to be. :rolleyes: That was ridiculous.

But like Mavfin said, it's just a beauty contest.

[Spang]

Carrie Prejean is irrelevant.

[CGP]

Gosh, let's face it, Miss California is milking this issue for all its worth for one reason only - FAME!

Good luck to her. History won't look favorably upon her 15 minutes in the spotlight.

I am personally sick & tired of hearing about her every last move.

I am sure she is a nice person and means no harm. But she needs to "move on" and do something worthwhile other than continuing to try and build a public profile on the back of other's people suffering.