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The_Basseteer
05-13-2009, 03:59 PM
What Happens when you begin to think...
From: American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com)

May 11, 2009
Letter of Amends from a Recovering Liberal in Berkeley (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/letter_of_amends_from_a_recove.html)
By Robin
Dear friends, family, loved ones, conservatives, Republicans, libertarians, my brother in law, Sam, and my cousin Joe: I am sorry and you were right.

These are not easy words for anyone to utter, much less a leftist from Berkeley, or a recovering leftist, that is. Even though I've been in recovery for 14 months, 2 weeks, and 3 days, leftists are always right in your face, in an I-hate-you-if-you-disagree sort of way. Hence, this letter of amends to all the people I've lectured, scolded, ranted and raved at, and otherwise annoyed during my 30 plus years of "progressive" politics.

My recovery program urges a fierce moral inventory, a cleansing of heart and mind (kind of like a "forgiveness tour" but without the scary dictators), so here goes:

To my brother in law, Sam, for blasting you in that Chinese restaurant for voting for Reagan, mea culpa.

To my cousin Joe for calling you a traitor when you became an MBA, started holding a real job (as opposed to most of us Berkeley types who are psychotherapists, massage therapists and aromatherapists), and became a conservative, my bad.

To my goddaughter whom I told when she was l0 years old that Republicans were bad, Democrats were good (yes I really did say this), and who got confused and tearful because she lives in a suburb where most people are Republicans, kid, what in the world was I thinking?

To my leftist friends, with whom I agreed that 9/ll was the US's fault, you and I were all such jerks.

To those potential friends whom I dumped when I found out you were conservative, your gain is my loss.

To all those columnists and editors whom I harangued with angry letters and e mails, sorry, sorry, sorry.

And finally to me, Robin, for installing you for the last 27 years in the far left cult of the People's Republic of Berkeley, where Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the SLA, where the Black Panthers had their violent beginnings and the heads of the Black Muslims are jailed for murder and rape, my apologies, girl.

I didn't know any better. I thought the whole world lived in areas where the streets are filthy, aggressive street behavior is allowed because the perps are victims of capitalism, and where you can easily get mugged walking down a street or eating in a restaurant at noon. (By the way, with the Left in charge, expect gangs, crime, indoctrination of 5 year olds and general anarchy to be coming soon to a neighborhood near you.)

Given that the media is pretty much censored (good luck finding a conservative book in your local "independent" book store or hearing a Republican speak anywhere), you didn't know that a party of grown ups even existed that didn't advocate screaming at others as the preferred mode of communication. So to my dear Robin, apologies for what I put you through, what I deprived you of, and my pledge to do better.

Cousin Joe, Sam, et al, you may be wondering how I did a l80 in 1 1/2 years. How did I go from a rabid, sanctimonious liberal whom you steadfastly avoided at family gatherings to a fan of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage? Recovery encourages us to share our story, so here's mine:

In February of 2008, I saw a new client, a bright and sensitive young woman who came in looking like she just escaped a war zone. In some ways she had; she had innocently shared with others at her job that she voted for Hillary rather than Obama. Immediately she was being targeted for abuse that put her in fear for not only her job, but her life.

We both suddenly became aware that something had grown really dark in the Democratic Party. I started hearing about many other incidents where loyal Democrats were being physically and emotionally threatened for supporting Hillary. A woman in Berkeley had her front window broken because it displayed a poster of Hillary. Randi Rhodes, an Air America talk show leftist, called Hillary a f______ witch. (Rhodes was recently promoted to a national talk radio show, illustrating another disturbing trend: the deafening silence about what Rush Limbaugh has dubbed the new "thug-ocracy.)

An acquaintance had her car broken into, and the only item stolen was a NoObama bumper sticker. A South Park episode featured an episode where a nuclear weapon was being aimed at Hillary's genitals. My local greeting card store sold very flattering cards about Obama, insulting ones about Hillary, and a Hillary "nutcracker." When I complained, the young male manager literally laughed in my face.

Things went from bad to worse when Sarah Palin entered the scene. When Geraldine Ferraro ran for Vice President, there was no debasement of her character, no sexual threats. But with Palin, a full scale "wilding" ensued that chillingly reminded me of the random sexual attacks on women by gangs of men in New York. She was called every vile name in the book by both male and female liberals.

Actress Sarah Bernhardt hoped a gang of black males would rape her. When Palin's church was torched with children inside, the press was missing in action (somehow I imagine the press would have been all over this if Obama's church were torched). Not only was the misogyny disgusting, but the classism was abhorrent. The Democrats, by ridiculing Palin's voice and her education, were acting like arrogant snobs. The party had changed, I had changed, and the differences looked irreconcilable.

The final straw for me was when a close friend flew into a rage at me when she learned I wasn't supporting Obama. The political became personal when she began impugning my character. Worse yet, she tried to intimidate me into changing my mind by threatening to dump me.

Suddenly a light went on. The peace and love and flower power of the old left was dead and gone (if it even existed to begin with except in my imagination). The Democrats had morphed into a power hungry Thought Police, and I was done with them. My new motto in life: don't PC on me.

So this is my letter of amends, and I hope that I can be forgiven by all whom I've offended. I knew not what the heck I was doing. But now the problem is: how in the world does one be a conservative these days? How to stay brave and committed when conservatives are being targeted, punished, and shunned on a daily basis? How to sleep at night knowing that the country I have finally come to love may be destroyed from within by a massive Big Brother government?

I guess I'll just have to do a step one, as we 12 stepper's call it, and turn it all over to my Higher Power.

Love,

Robin

I'm sorry that we Conservatives do not have 12 step program you progressives/liberals can join. It's a journey you have to take yourselves.

Horizon
05-13-2009, 04:06 PM
Randi Rhodes, an Air America talk show leftist, called Hillary a f______ witch.

I believe the word Rhodes use was actually the c word, not witch. She was very vulgar against Hillary, as are most (if not all) conservative talk radio personalities.

I really don't believe the author of this was ever a liberal. Sounds like a conservative trying to disguise themselves as one.:rolleyes:

Jobu86
05-13-2009, 04:12 PM
That's one of the stupidest things I've read. This person is switching from liberal to conservative based on not a single issue, only the fact that they feel Obama supporters acted inappropriately. I thought one was conservative or liberal based on your views on the issues? So this person is no longer a tree hugging berkeley liberal, but instead a Hannity/Rush listening conservative, but they didn't mention any change of view on abortion, economics, gay marriage, tax cuts, affirmative action, education, environment, health care, immigration, or Iraq? They just don't like democratic Obama supporters? Umm, as I think many people on this board have proved, you don't have to support Obama to be a liberal, and there's nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with switching your views either, and becoming conservative, but this person has no logical reason. I'm not even sure I believe this is real.

Suzan
05-13-2009, 04:45 PM
Jobu, you make a good point about there being no issues in that letter. I don't believe it's written by a former progressive either. Too much doesn't jibe.

However, I can relate to walking away from the Democratic party, at least in part because of the abusive behavior of Obama supporters. Issues aside, many of the veterans on this board left because they felt the party was hijacked by Obama and his supporters. That was the big issue, not politics. From the caucuses to the delegate stealing, the abuses drove a lot of potential supporters away. Even as I type this, I'm mentally preparing myself to be told to quite whining and get over it. More bad behavior--and I'm not referring to you.

That's one of the reasons I question the letter writer's authenticity, but I can't dismiss that several of her points are valid, because I also experienced them, like this one:

In February of 2008, I saw a new client, a bright and sensitive young woman who came in looking like she just escaped a war zone. In some ways she had; she had innocently shared with others at her job that she voted for Hillary rather than Obama. Immediately she was being targeted for abuse that put her in fear for not only her job, but her life.

sojourner
05-13-2009, 04:47 PM
I believe the word Rhodes use was actually the c word, not witch. She was very vulgar against Hillary, as are most (if not all) conservative talk radio personalities.


According to some internet accounts it was ***** not witch.

I used to tune in to Air American periodically to see what they were up to. I tuned into Rhodes only once and listened for only about one minute, she is about as vulgar as a person can get.

I have listened to some of the nationally syndicated conservative talk show and have never heard anything like that. Michael Savage gets pretty vicious at times but not vulgar. Of course I have only listened to him a few times but I suspect if he made comments like that about anyone it would be all over the internet.

Jobu86
05-13-2009, 05:15 PM
Jobu, you make a good point about there being no issues in that letter. I don't believe it's written by a former progressive either. Too much doesn't jibe.

However, I can relate to walking away from the Democratic party, at least in part because of the abusive behavior of Obama supporters. Issues aside, many of the veterans on this board left because they felt the party was hijacked by Obama and his supporters. That was the big issue, not politics. From the caucuses to the delegate stealing, the abuses drove a lot of potential supporters away. Even as I type this, I'm mentally preparing myself to be told to quite whining and get over it. More bad behavior--and I'm not referring to you.

That's one of the reasons I question the letter writer's authenticity, but I can't dismiss that several of her points are valid, because I also experienced them, like this one:

Suzan, that's totally valid. I know a lot of people felt disillusioned by the party because of the primary, even if I disagree on some of the specifics. I won't tell you to stop whining about that, don't worry. If they had just said they no longer felt part of the democratic party, I wouldn't even question it. But this person went much further. They consider themselves a conservative now, even saying they're big fans of Rush, Limbaugh, Hannity.

And yea, this person was an idiot to begin with even if it's true. I grew up right next to Berkeley and am as liberal as they come, but I never turned away potential friends because they were conservative. Hell, my 3 roommates for all of college were republicans and they were/still are 3 of my best friends.

Laura Cereta
05-13-2009, 05:34 PM
I believe the letter. Even if issues weren't mentioned, I can relate to this woman's experience. My positions on issues have not substantially changed since the end of 2007 but my political opinions sure have. I have always been very liberal on most social issues, moderate in foreign policy matters, and to the right in fiscal matters. The Democratic Party of Bill Clinton was the right place for me. I was loyal to the party to the point that I often didn't study the issues on my own as stringently as I should have; I also generalized the members of the other party with my thoughts and the opinion I voiced.

When the Democratic Party was no longer loyal to me, I essentially left in my heart. I still carry a voters' I.D. with a "D" on it because of the rules related to Florida elections-- one has to be a memeber of a political party to vote in their primaries. When I emotionally left the Democratic Party, though, a whole new world was opened up to me. I was able to see the fallacies in some of my previous assumptions. I became willing to listen to other people who in the past I couldn't stand, just because they were "conservatives."

As I said, my political positions are still basically intact but the 2008 election season let me know that I'll never again look to a party to help form my opinions on issues. I view all issues in an individual light. Therefore, I, too, am a recovering liberal. I haven't recovered from the policies; I've recovered from the mindset.

Soren
05-13-2009, 06:17 PM
Rhodes called Hillary Clinton a *****.
Air America is putting Rhodes back on the air.

Meg
05-13-2009, 06:24 PM
Rhodes called Hillary Clinton a *****.
Air America is putting Rhodes back on the air.

LOL Ok so I wasn't crazy when I thought that's what she said. :eek:

Horizon
05-13-2009, 06:30 PM
LOL Ok so I wasn't crazy when I thought that's what she said. :eek:

I could have sworn she used the c word about her, maybe it was not that tirade against her, but some other. My bad. No one is perfect.:rolleyes:

Meg
05-13-2009, 06:32 PM
I could have sworn she used the c word about her, maybe it was not that tirade against her, but some other. My bad. No one is perfect.:rolleyes:

And what did she call Geraldine? Was it a ***** too?:confused:

Horizon
05-13-2009, 06:34 PM
And what did she call Geraldine? Was it a ***** too?:confused:

Who knows, probably. The woman is a wart on the ass of journalism.

devildog
05-13-2009, 08:20 PM
She was suspended for this. What a vulgar woman.

Randi Rhodes video:

cinnamongirl
05-13-2009, 09:46 PM
Who knows, probably. The woman is a wart on the ass of journalism.

Agreed. She shouldn't even be counted as a journalist. She's a political shock-jock, just as bad as Rush or Hannity.

Horizon
05-13-2009, 09:49 PM
Agreed. She shouldn't even be counted as a journalist. She's a political shock-jock, just as bad as Rush or Hannity.

Remember back in the day when a shock jock was someone like Howard Stern? At least he is an equal opportunity offender, and not this new political form of "shock jock" that just wants to offend a certain group. I kinda liked Stern.

cinnamongirl
05-13-2009, 09:53 PM
Remember back in the day when a shock jock was someone like Howard Stern? At least he is an equal opportunity offender, and not this new political form of "shock jock" that just wants to offend a certain group. I kinda liked Stern.

Yup. He was an ass, but at least he was honest about it!

mavfin
05-13-2009, 09:53 PM
Remember back in the day when a shock jock was someone like Howard Stern? At least he is an equal opportunity offender, and not this new political form of "shock jock" that just wants to offend a certain group. I kinda liked Stern.

Stern I had no issue with. He wasn't there to target certain groups. He nailed anyone.

Rush/Ingraham/Rhodes are just nasty.

Horizon
05-13-2009, 09:55 PM
Stern I had no issue with. He wasn't there to target certain groups. He nailed anyone.

Rush/Ingraham/Rhodes are just nasty.
:thumbsup:
I agree completely, and at least he was funny at times!

See, we can agree on some things still!=D>

cinnamongirl
05-13-2009, 09:55 PM
Stern I had no issue with. He wasn't there to target certain groups. He nailed anyone.

Rush/Ingraham/Rhodes are just nasty.

Ooh, I forgot about Ingraham. Good call.

mavfin
05-13-2009, 10:01 PM
Ooh, I forgot about Ingraham. Good call.

Too preachy. If I want preached at, I can go to church.

sojourner
05-13-2009, 10:02 PM
Rush/Ingraham/Rhodes are just nasty.

Have you listened to any of them?

mavfin
05-13-2009, 10:03 PM
Have you listened to any of them?

Yes, I have. I worked a job where the boss listened to conservative talk radio all day. I hated it. (The radio, not the job)

Horizon
05-13-2009, 10:13 PM
Yes, I have. I worked a job where the boss listened to conservative talk radio all day. I hated it. (The radio, not the job)

Been there, it about made me crazy.
I had one boss during the 04 elections that thought it was fun to degrade me in front of everyone for my Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker. He even went so far as to stick a Bush one over it one day. It was awful. And the talk radio constantly and his worship of them all was more than I could stand. I ended up actually quitting because of it.

Believe it or not, I actually kept my mouth shut when he did all this too. I think it was a first for me, and quite possibly the last time that happened.

Suzan
05-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Let us not forget Keith Olbermann. And for the conservatives, Michelle Malkin. Don't let that sweet face fool you. She's mean.

mavfin
05-14-2009, 12:05 AM
This may seem strange, considering I'm right of center, but I've always like James Carville....

Meg
05-14-2009, 12:08 AM
This may seem strange, considering I'm right of center, but I've always like James Carville....

How can you not like Carville! :eek: LOL

Spang
05-14-2009, 12:09 AM
How can you not like Carville! :eek: LOL

James Carville was great in Old School.

Meg
05-14-2009, 12:12 AM
A South Park episode featured an episode where a nuclear weapon was being aimed at Hillary's genitals.

Let me just correct this part of the article. It was not aimed... it was already there! I won't use the exact words because that wouldn't be appropriate on THIS site. :p

Ikasu
05-14-2009, 12:14 AM
This may seem strange, considering I'm right of center, but I've always like James Carville....

It must be his Southern charm.

Horizon
05-14-2009, 12:29 AM
James Carville just kicks ass.=D>=D>

Jobu86
05-14-2009, 01:17 AM
James Carville just kicks ass.=D>=D>

I ran into Carville at the vegas airport a few years back. He was irate (ok not really mad, but irate in a fun way) that the newspaper stand near the gate was out of the NYT.

Meg
05-14-2009, 01:21 AM
I ran into Carville at the vegas airport a few years back. He was irate (ok not really mad, but irate in a fun way) that the newspaper stand near the gate was out of the NYT.

LMAO! I don't think I've ever seen anyone uspset over the shortage of newspapers!:rotfl:

Horizon
05-14-2009, 03:03 AM
I ran into Carville at the vegas airport a few years back. He was irate (ok not really mad, but irate in a fun way) that the newspaper stand near the gate was out of the NYT.

OMG! LMAO! I can just picture it, and HEAR him!

agatha
05-14-2009, 01:00 PM
When Palin's church was torched with children inside, the press was missing in action (somehow I imagine the press would have been all over this if Obama's church were torched).

Is this true? Did that really happen?

Laura Cereta
05-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Getting back to the article...

Is this true? Did that really happen?

I was wondering the same thing! Anyone know? I'm going to go Google the issue. :p

Ikasu
05-14-2009, 01:04 PM
Is this true? Did that really happen?

Yes, but there weren't children in the building. There was a ladies' craft group that got out safely.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/13/palin.church/index.html

Laura Cereta
05-14-2009, 01:10 PM
The church of Sarah Palin, the former veep hopeful, suffered $1 Million in fire damage on Friday. Wasilla Bible Church is located in Wasilla, AK and has been home to Palin since her time as Mayor of the small town. Several internet videos featuring Palin's extreme religeous views were recorded there, including a missionary's incantation accusing Palin of witchcraft.

Larry Kroon, pastor of Wassila Bible Church, was a bit reluctant to say whether he felt the fire was a politcally motivated attack on Palin, but did mention that he believed the police were investigating it as a crime. The building is worth $4-$5 million and hosts a congrgation of up to 1,000.

The blaze broke out at Wasslia Bible Church and firefighters were dispatched at 9:40pm on Friday night. Seven parishnors (including two children) escaped the blaze, which knocked out several windows, unharmed. Wasilla firefighters claimed it was the biggest fire in the small Alaska town this year. Investegators from several departments are looking into the possibility of the fire being set deliberatly.

Sarah Palin dropped by the church on Saturday morning and apoligized an assistant pastor "she apologizes if the incident is in any way connected to the undeserved negative attention the church has received since she became a vice presidential candidate on Aug. 29. Whatever the motives of the arsonist, the governor has faith in the scriptural passage that what was intended for evil will in some way be used for good." It is unclear when Palin or her husband Todd 'First Dude' Palin attended the church.



Associated Content (http://http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1300326/sarah_palins_wassila_church_torched.html)

agatha
05-14-2009, 01:18 PM
Wow. I'm not sure which is more disturbing, the fire or the lack of media coverage. I honestly had no idea!

Suzan
05-14-2009, 02:15 PM
I think we may have had a thread here, but other than that, I don't remember seeing anything about it at all.

Yeah, if it had been Someone Else's church (which church is that, anyway?), we would have been hearing about it until Kingdom Come, lol.

NativeSun
05-14-2009, 02:20 PM
Wow. I'm not sure which is more disturbing, the fire or the lack of media coverage. I honestly had no idea!

Are you kidding me? The media would have tried to cover this if they probably didn't think that the arsonist was a hero. It would of shown their true colors, so I think that's why they held back. The question is: which MSNBC correspodent would have been given that exclusive interview?

As for the article.....
This sounds to me more of a compilation of liberal viewpoints than those of a single person. So I don't give much credence to it. Plus, she forgot the one big liberal tenet form the 70's and 80's: Hate the military. Hate the troops. Growing up between a massive marine base and a massive naval base, I've seen first hand the disdain many on the Left have directed towards the military. To them, only those too stupid to get into college would ever think about joining the military. In their eyes, "what else were they going to do?"

Ikasu
05-14-2009, 02:23 PM
Plus, she forgot the one big liberal tenet form the 70's and 80's: Hate the military. Hate the troops. Growing up between a massive marine base and a massive naval base, I've seen first hand the disdain many on the Left have directed towards the military. To them, only those too stupid to get into college would ever think about joining the military. In their eyes, "what else were they going to do?"

Do you think liberals still believe that? I don't.

NativeSun
05-14-2009, 02:36 PM
Do you think liberals still believe that? I don't.

First, let me say that there's liberals and then there's the Left. As for liberals, I would say that such animosity towards the servicemen and women doesn't exist, or it's a very insignificant number that do. I would say that there are more that don't harbor a positive view towards the military establishment. As for the Left, yes I do. However, the current public sentiment prevents them expressing those views aloud. Remember, the Left (especially in the media) love to make fun of all of those people living in "fly-over" country. Look at the treatment they gave Alaska (and Alaskans) during the campaign. Now, where do you think a good portion of the servicemen and women come from? It's kind of like saying, "well, we can't make fun of the troops anymore, but we can still make fun of their friends and family back in their hometowns."

smiledr
05-14-2009, 02:38 PM
Do you think liberals still believe that? I don't.

You don't think liberals still think that or you don't still think that? I am ex-military and I think liberals still think that.

Spang
05-14-2009, 02:42 PM
You don't think liberals still think that or you don't still think that? I am ex-military and I think liberals still think that.

All liberals?

Meg
05-14-2009, 02:44 PM
You don't think liberals still think that or you don't still think that? I am ex-military and I think liberals still think that.

I know I don't and I'm liberal.

Ikasu
05-14-2009, 02:47 PM
You don't think liberals still think that or you don't still think that? I am ex-military and I think liberals still think that.

I don't think liberals still think that.

Ikasu
05-14-2009, 02:50 PM
First, let me say that there's liberals and then there's the Left. As for liberals, I would say that such animosity towards the servicemen and women doesn't exist, or it's a very insignificant number that do. I would say that there are more that don't harbor a positive view towards the military establishment. As for the Left, yes I do. However, the current public sentiment prevents them expressing those views aloud. Remember, the Left (especially in the media) love to make fun of all of those people living in "fly-over" country. Look at the treatment they gave Alaska (and Alaskans) during the campaign. Now, where do you think a good portion of the servicemen and women come from? It's kind of like saying, "well, we can't make fun of the troops anymore, but we can still make fun of their friends and family back in their hometowns."

The media is "classist". I agree that they like to make fun of people who they see as beneath them, that includes military families in most cases. But I think the Vietnam era of hating the military is over in America. It's unacceptable today.

NativeSun
05-14-2009, 03:00 PM
The media is "classist". I agree that they like to make fun of people who they see as beneath them, that includes military families in most cases. But I think the Vietnam era of hating the military is over in America. It's unacceptable today.

Which is why they hold their tongues. I find it hard to believe that the Left on one hand can be so degrading and elitist towards those Americans who live between the coasts, but in return be so favorable of those same people whose only difference is that they are wearing a military uniform.

sojourner
05-21-2009, 02:44 AM
Robin of Berkeley, part 2: How to Deprogram a Liberal in One Year Or Less (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/how_to_deprogram_a_liberal_in.html)