Protest Talking Point #1 - End the Hate Speech & Prejudice Against Hillary!

[freethinker]

It is our responsibility to fight all forms of discrimination and hate speech.
The following list is a work in progress.

"Women's Rights are Human Rights", Hillary Rodham Clinton.


Television and Radio Broadcast

*Chris Matthews, MSNBC: "The reason she's a US senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front runner is her husband messed around, she didn't get there on her merits."

*Matthews, MSNBC referred to Senator Clinton as a "She Devil"

*Matthews, MSNBC compared Senator Clinton to a "strip teaser"

*Matthews, MSNBC called her "witchy".

*Matthews, MSNBC stated men who support Senator Clinton were "castratos in the eunuch chorus"

*Matthews, MSNBC stated Senator Clinton is "not a convincing mom"

*Matthews, MSNBC stated that "modern women like Clinton are unacceptable to Midwest guys"

*Tucker Carlson, MSNBC stated: "There's just something about her that feels castrating, overbearing and scary."

*David Shuster, MSNBC accused Hillary of pimping daughter, Chelsea.

*Randi Rhodes, Air America political commentator called Hillary a “f****g w***e” during her broadcast

*CNN: Senator Obama’s Campaign Manager, Jesse Jackson, Jr. asked people of South Carolina to examine Senator Clinton’s tears very carefully because she only cried for herself, not the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

*BCC: Senator Obama's Foreign Advisor called Hillary a "monster" in an interview

* Rush Limbaugh stated during his radio broadcast, "Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?"

**Political commentator Carl Bernstein: expressed disgust at Hillary's thick ankles.

*FOX:Bill Kristol states: White women are a problem, we all know that.

*ALL NETWORKS: Senator McCain chuckles when supporter asks: “How do we beat the b***h?”

* South Park comedy program shows terrorists hiding a bomb in Hillary's ******



Newspapers, Books and the Written Word

*Washington Post: article calls Hillary a "creature"

*Washington Post: "Clinton's nearly all female staff, chosen for loyalty rather than say brains or political savvy."

*Washington Post: "What is it about women? Why do women always fall for the hysterical, the superficial and the gooily sentimental?"

*Wall Street Journal: "You'd think she'd pivot back to showing a likable side, chatting with women, weeping, wearing bright yellows and reds that are thought to appeal to her core following, older women."

* News Week Magazine Headline: "It's Not Her. It's That Marriage"

*New York Times: the Clintons have a warped marriage and spend too much time apart

[endodoc79]

I think there are some things that should not be repeated because repeating them gives them credence that they don't deserve. And anyway you only need a few examples to make the point. There have been other issues as well such as misrepresenting policy positions and calling for her to step aside despite this being a very close race that are a more subtle form of sexism.

[Cooney]

Add this one from BO, "she can stay in the race if she wants to", and "her name ison the ballot. Very subtle, but tells women where he is coming from, many of us don't miss those kinds of remarks.

[lorieaselin]

Freethinker, thanks for that list. Whenever I try to give exact examples of sexism when I talk to people, I can never remember all of those examples and all of the exact words.

[freethinker]

I think there are some things that should not be repeated because repeating them gives them credence that they don't deserve. And anyway you only need a few examples to make the point. There have been other issues as well such as misrepresenting policy positions and calling for her to step aside despite this being a very close race that are a more subtle form of sexism.

This is a work in progress, a research document, a starting point in the larger purpose to expose these offenses and effect change. Whether it helps or not? I need to ask that question in light of whether or not repeating this list will impact people enough to make them want to change.

Whether repeating the offenses gives them credence is something I want to consider very seriously because that would interfere with my purpose. In the repeating, will people acclimate to hearing them and thus no longer be offended? Or does the list as a whole cause them to be so offended that they recoil and retreat, so as to distance themselves from the entire issue and not deal with it at all? These considerations are very important to me because my goal is to increase awareness, impact and thus inspire action to change.

I, too find the list tough to read. It was even harder to research because the reality is that these represent just the tip of the iceburg and are certainly not the worst of the attacks I discovered.

The offences on this list are not covert episodes but rather very public examples made on major network television, in respected newspapers, magazines and network internet sites and in public places. Unfortunately, the media and public are not uncomfortable since there has been no outrage nor outcry for it to to stop. In fact, on this evenings CNN news, a commentator observed that the sexist attacks against Hillary were not so bad and were also unique to her due to her long life in politics and personal qualities.

Members of this forum have decided that they are willing to make a public stand against these abuses against Hillary. To that end, they are organizing a protest against the bias and sexism that has been levelled at her. It is taking place in NYC next Friday, April 11 at 8 a.m. at Rockefeller Center with the hope of full media coverage. They have been working tirelessly to make the demonstration a reality, hope to be sponsored by the Women's Media Center and other watch dog groups combating sexism and bias against women. They seek to publicly confront the outrageous and unnacceptable sexist attacks against Senator Clinton, herself a courageous advocate of women's rights throughout the world.

With the approval of the organizers, I undertook the extremely unpleasant task of researching specific cases of overt sexism directed against Senator Clinton. It has been an unbelievably painful experience but I did so in an effort to effectively defend Hillary, based on the facts. In doing so, my thoughts constantly went out to Hillary and how these abuses must make her feel. In doing so I thought of all women who are subjected to this kind of treatment. It is my most fervent hope that those who read them will take what they find and use it to demand change from the media and the public.

[HillWill]

Michelle Obama: "One of the things, the important aspects of this race, is role modeling what good families should look like, and my view, is that if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can’t run the White House. Can’t do it!"

David Shuster: The Clintons "pimped out" Chelsea

for obamanut comments, the worst are found at digg.com

[Patsy]

Great research. We need to have all of this documented so we can be informed next Friday.

Knowledge is Power;)

If you have some other areas that you think we should research to get additional documentation, let me know and I will tag team with you.

This is just fabulous and thank you for taking the time to do it!!!!!!

[SunnyInCal]

Michelle Obama: "One of the things, the important aspects of this race, is role modeling what good families should look like, and my view, is that if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can’t run the White House. Can’t do it!"

I must admit, my jaw just dropped. When did &&%$##%^**( Michelle say this????

grrrrrrrrrr

[HillWill]

I must admit, my jaw just dropped. When did &&%$##%^**( Michelle say this????

grrrrrrrrrr

Here's the video. It was last year around summer or fall. can't find date.YouTube - Michelle Obama takes a shot at Hillary Clinton

http://breaktheglassceiling.blogspot.com

[tcbwriter]

It's so depressing . . .:(

[freethinker]

It's so depressing . . .:(

We can really make a change. I think people have just gotten so acclimated to it, not just with Hillary, but with all women, that we've come to expect it. Its seems that its only when we see it right in front of us that we see how very hurtful and damaging it is.

We can change things by knowing it when we see it and saying "no" to it when we see it. Its already happening at our house. My daughter is 16 and parental controls are on full alert on our tv, especially cable stations. More importantly, I really want her to be able to watch the news and read the paper without being confronted with it. I think if we're aware, we can do it one person at a time.

We can do it.

[CGP]

Obama's "claws" comment....and "that time of month"...

Media websites & user comments are some of the WORST locations for finding sexist abuse against Hillary Clinton. Beyond sexism, and more like mysogyny. See the 2 threads below:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=3452&highlight=shame+file

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=3264&highlight=shame+file

[PuppyDogMom]

The new Times poll, posted in another thread, refers to Hillary as "schoolmarmish" and Oblahblah as "eloquent."

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1725112_1723512_1723932,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1725112_1723512_1723519,00.html

You might want to check out the subliminal messages in the pictures of each of them as well.

[kyforhillary]

I know there is going to be a protest, but can't we also send a petition to GE, quoting these sexist remarks and say that we are the consumers buying GE products. After all we little ole ladies usually make the choice in buying appliances etc.

[endodoc79]

I think putting MSM names to some of the outlandish statements will give the discourse more meaning. As a parent I try to teach that words and actions have consequences- and we are trying to hold people accountable. My 11 year old said that Hillary Clinton was a witch and ate kittens for breakfast because other classmates had said so. I said it was not true and that some people tell lies. I expect adults to know that outrageous and ridiculous comments are obviously not true.
I also was trying to highlight some of the more subtle, insidious forms of bias which unless pointed out many people would miss. To that goal I mention the media contention that Hillary supporters were uneducated (obviously not true, look at this website) and that Obama supporters in the MSM were telling Hillary to step aside (her excellent comeback to that was "boys have been telling me that" since I was little). I think the subtle form of sexism is much more dangerous.

[freethinker]

I also was trying to highlight some of the more subtle, insidious forms of bias which unless pointed out many people would miss. To that goal I mention the media contention that Hillary supporters were uneducated (obviously not true, look at this website) and that Obama supporters in the MSM were telling Hillary to step aside (her excellent comeback to that was "boys have been telling me that" since I was little). I think the subtle form of sexism is much more dangerous.


This is a super point! I think you are absolutely right. Some of the most damaging things have been the harder to quantify more subtle attacks that people take on face value ("polarizing", "only cares about winning" "always on the attack") ! These claims make me crazy because they are so hard to refute with any thing other than asking for proof. Character assassination and groundless claims are so hard to "disprove".

We need (ack) several categories:
1) sexism
2)vile misogyny (edited out of this list and on separate board due to upsetting nature)
3) subtle character attacks
4)bias Bo vs Hillary

There is so much to do before the protest!!

I could really use some help.

Can any one volunteer to help put together a bullet list for the #3 subtle attacks and #4 bias?

That would be super.

Thanks so much, Endodoc! It takes a village and we are Hillary's village!

:)

[endodoc79]

I will work on it further and post. I want to review the article by Catherine Fish who made a lot of good points regarding entrenched sexism. Everyone who has specific examples should post so we can have the best list we can.

[hillary4change]

Freethinker,
This is so important and you have done a beautiful job. This issue is VERY important to me. I want this protest to be the best it can be and to get these
horrendous statements and comments out, to make it real to people. This made me cry..but we are doing something and I couldn't be prouder they will not get away with it unnoticed!!! Thank You!!

It is our responsibility to fight all forms of discrimination and hate speech.
The following list is a work in progress.

"Women's Rights are Human Rights", Hillary Rodham Clinton.


Television and Radio Broadcast

*Chris Matthews, MSNBC: "The reason she's a US senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front runner is her husband messed around, she didn't get there on her merits."

*Matthews, MSNBC referred to Senator Clinton as a "She Devil"

*Matthews, MSNBC compared Senator Clinton to a "strip teaser"

*Matthews, MSNBC called her "witchy".

*Matthews, MSNBC stated men who support Senator Clinton were "castratos in the eunuch chorus"

*Matthews, MSNBC stated Senator Clinton is "not a convincing mom"

*Matthews, MSNBC stated that "modern women like Clinton are unacceptable to Midwest guys"

*Tucker Carlson, MSNBC stated: "There's just something about her that feels castrating, overbearing and scary."

*David Shuster, MSNBC accused Hillary of pimping daughter, Chelsea.

*Randi Rhodes, Air America political commentator called Hillary a “f****g w***e” during her broadcast

*CNN: Senator Obama’s Campaign Manager, Jesse Jackson, Jr. asked people of South Carolina to examine Senator Clinton’s tears very carefully because she only cried for herself, not the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

*BCC: Senator Obama's Foreign Advisor called Hillary a "monster" in an interview

* Rush Limbaugh stated during his radio broadcast, "Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?"

**Political commentator Carl Bernstein: expressed disgust at Hillary's thick ankles.

*FOX:Bill Kristol states: White women are a problem, we all know that.

*ALL NETWORKS: Senator McCain chuckles when supporter asks: “How do we beat the b***h?”

* South Park comedy program shows terrorists hiding a bomb in Hillary's ******



Newspapers, Books and the Written Word

*Washington Post: article calls Hillary a "creature"

*Washington Post: "Clinton's nearly all female staff, chosen for loyalty rather than say brains or political savvy."

*Washington Post: "What is it about women? Why do women always fall for the hysterical, the superficial and the gooily sentimental?"

*Wall Street Journal: "You'd think she'd pivot back to showing a likable side, chatting with women, weeping, wearing bright yellows and reds that are thought to appeal to her core following, older women."

* News Week Magazine Headline: "It's Not Her. It's That Marriage"

*New York Times: the Clintons have a warped marriage and spend too much time apart

[hillary4change]

Michelle Obama saying "If you can't run your own house, how are you going to run The White House? Can't do it."
This is sexism of the worst kind. Essentialy what Michelle is saying is that Hillary's husbands bad choice, was her fault, because she wasn't woman enough to keep him at home. This is what abusive men say to their women. That it is their fault!! She just gave Bill Clinton a pass and made it Hillary's fault. I love Bill and it was none of our business, but that was about him not her!!

I heard on Cavutos World today the guest talking about "Bill running around the Oval Office chasing Monica with a cigar in his hands!!" Cavuto told him he was going too far. The topic you ask??? Tax returns!!! I don't watch T.V, someone else left it on. When I walked in the room that was what I heard, FIRST THING.

Obama saying about Hillary's "moods" when she is upset and her "claws coming out".
I have heard descriptions of her on the T.V of "hysterical" "bi-polar" "moody",
"manic".

[lea210]

Michelle doesn't know the Christian doctrine about marriage of : "in sickness and in health, for better or worst." Could it be that Hillary also stayed for the well-being of Chelsea? How many messed up people are out there right now because of a brokendown household.

And their family is not exactly prestine either. A father who abandoned his son (Barack) to live a life of polygamy? Not to mention his nutty cousin Odinga.

[RachachaSharon]

Michelle Obama: "One of the things, the important aspects of this race, is role modeling what good families should look like, and my view, is that if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can’t run the White House. Can’t do it!"

She has to be talking about herself. That BIG mouth of hers isn't a good role model for the kids.

[lea210]

I think volunteers for Hillary should get this word out in PA. From colleges, to Bars, to churches, community organizations, and homes for the elderly. Sexism is wrong and most of America does not even see it. I think a bunch of people should go out in public and interview people about this issue (And make videos). Kind of like what the people are doing here:

YouTube - MediaGate:2008

[endodoc79]

Some ideas and quotes from around the political scene citing examples of subtle sexism
1. NH debate: BO asked about HRC "likeability" (sexist code word) BO:"She's likeable enough"
2. HRC shows anger after being attacked in NH debate by BO & JE - called a meltdown, if men show anger (ie McCain) it's OK
3. When HRC raises her voice she's Shrill Hill, while a man is just being demonstrative
4. Strong man is admired but strong woman is called bitch
5. HRC citing old boys club called "playing the gender card", while he is seen as unifying by citing civil rights confrontations
6. Earlier in the day, Clinton became emotional when speaking to a group of voters in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Edwards offered little sympathy and pounced on the opportunity to question Clinton's ability to endure the stresses of the presidency.
7. Obama said he was "amused" by his opponent's critique, calling it "silly." said in response to HRC saying he was abondoning the "politics of hope" because of his attacks on her.
8. When asked how the New York senator deals with criticism and calls for her to stop her presidential campaign, Clinton told DeGeneres it was nothing new. ''You know, boys used to say that to me all the time,'' the former first lady said.
9. using misogynistic language and framing to dismiss and diminish a woman you disagree with on the issues is damaging to all women.
10. At recent campaign stops in Allentown and Scranton on April 1st, Senator Obama turned on what he thought was "charm" with the ladies, in a pitiful attempt to get their votes.
11. Comments on clothing choices of serious female political players (HRC) risks rendering them less than serious
12. The language used to address a candidate can affect "public perception" Use senator - not Mrs. or Mama
13. Commentary by Maureen Dowd last year focusing in on HRC hairstyle as first lady instead of issues
14. "I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal." by BO
15.Watch "Hillary! Stop the attacks!" Love, Obama Girl on Dailymotion Share Your Videos. ... video she asks Senator Clinton to stop the attacks against her man. This Obama Girl is an affront to all serious women- watching this in the name of research was particularly distasteful!
16. When reporters talk about Hillary's base they always use the words blue color , uneducated, less than $50,000. workers. Hillary's a very smart woman supported by some very smart and honest people. To act like if you don't support Obama you must be either old or uneducated is insulting.

Everyone or anyone feel free to add to list, or pick the one's that resonate most with your experience.

[evolin]

I would appreciate it if somone here, who is acquainted with all the products used by the stations, would type out an itemized list under the station logo so we know what products to boycott.
(Someone who used to watch the stations on a regular basis. )
Then we pass the word NOT to buy these products and let the advertisers know why.

[HillWill]

She has to be talking about herself. That BIG mouth of hers isn't a good role model for the kids.

Yeah, according to Michelle, a husband's misdeeds disqualifies you for a job promotion. That's what I got out of it. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

[lea210]

Here are some sexist and disgusting things people are posting online about hillary. Just because she is a woman, she is a piece of meat. Ughhh

[CGP]

Where is Obama's condemnation of the vile and sexist remarks made by Randi Rhodes at an event his campaign sanctioned?

[mcgowan.swan]

i have heard and seen all the things above and i am sure hillary has as well. the fear i have is that this protest will get tons of media coverage and it very well may cost hillary the nomination we have all worked so hard to gain. this protest is valid and should be staged, but i believe it should be done after november or after and if obama is chosen as the nominee. if we put all this out there and it gets picked up people may start to perceive hillary as the "woman" or "feminist" candidate rather than the best and most qualified candidate. she has very carefully avoided any mention of this aspect of the campaign attacks. i think we should follow her lead and stick to media bias, etc. obama has worked very hard to not be labeled the "black" candidate and lose the "white" vote. ( although not too successfully and too bad snakeman. lol ) we need to be very careful not to lose the "male" vote for our side. hillary is perceived by most as a strong and competent candidate, and not particularly feminine. that is a good thing. if we change that just before pennslyvania, we may cause a drop in male voters for her and lose the state. i would like it if someone of the leads in the protest were to contact hillary or her campaign managers directly by monday and find out what the campaign's take on this is before you go so public with the sexism protest. i really want hillary to be there in november. please give this a great deal of thought before commencing with this aspect of the protest at this time. thanks joan

[CGP]

the fear i have is that this protest will get tons of media coverage and it very well may cost hillary the nomination we have all worked so hard to gain.

Joan - I don't think you need to worry about that. It won't be a million people protesting! And it's a small group of supporters who have NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton.

"Race" has been consistently discussed throughout this campaign and it's about time "gender" was discussed in the same manner. Silence achieves nothing and serves only to buy into the oppression, submission and invisibility that sexism aims to foster!
The official Hillary Clinton campaign should not be consulted about this protest as it has nothing to do with them - this protest is about the views and feelings of everyday citizens who they have every right to express the above sentiments. And the campaign is not in a position to advise on, or make suggestions about, a protest they have nothing to do with. We are not an arm of the campaign! This is a people-run venture and should stay as such.

So I have to disagree with you here. :cool:

[Suzan]

Excellent list, Freethinker. Have you checked Maureen Dowd's column? She's really been vile about Hillary. I stopped reading her, but I've even heard from some Obama supporters that Dowd was making them ill.

[CGP]

Excellent list, Freethinker. Have you checked Maureen Dowd's column? She's really been vile about Hillary. I stopped reading her, but I've even heard from some Obama supporters that Dowd was making them ill.

Yes, and the point about this is that it's not only men who contribute to sexism and the perpetuation of vile thoughts/attitudes about women - many women contribute as well eg Dowd, Randi Rhodes!!

Internalized sexism -when women internalize and begin to believe the sexist ideals of a patriarchal society - is a major problem. It's the same kind of phenomenon as internalized racism and internalized homophobia. One of the key aims of oppression is for the dominant group to get the subordinate group to BELIEVE and INTERNALIZE the ideals of the dominant group. That way the job of oppressing is very easy - geting the subordinate group to oppress themselves!

[Suzan]

I think volunteers for Hillary should get this word out in PA. From colleges, to Bars, to churches, community organizations, and homes for the elderly. Sexism is wrong and most of America does not even see it. I think a bunch of people should go out in public and interview people about this issue (And make videos). Kind of like what the people are doing here:

YouTube - MediaGate:2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO051yEDruM)
I agree! Woman/man on the street interviews. People listen to those. Just take one or two of the most egregious comments about Hillary and get people's reaction. I really don't think this would backfire.

[Patsy]

Yes, and the point about this is that it's not only men who contribute to sexism and the perpetuation of vile thoughts/attitudes about women - many women contribute as well eg Dowd, Randi Rhodes!!

Internalized sexism -when women internalize and begin to believe the sexist ideals of a patriarchal society - is a major problem. It's the same kind of phenomenon as internalized racism and internalized homophobia. One of the key aims of oppression is for the dominant group to get the subordinate group to BELIEVE and INTERNALIZE the ideals of the dominant group. That way the job of oppressing is very easy - geting the subordinate group to oppress themselves!

And let's not forget Andrea Mitchell, who baits every guest into trying to bash HRC.

We can add Katie Couric and Norah O'Donnell to the MSM list as well.

[Wales for Hillary]

i have heard and seen all the things above and i am sure hillary has as well. the fear i have is that this protest will get tons of media coverage and it very well may cost hillary the nomination we have all worked so hard to gain. this protest is valid and should be staged, but i believe it should be done after november or after and if obama is chosen as the nominee. if we put all this out there and it gets picked up people may start to perceive hillary as the "woman" or "feminist" candidate rather than the best and most qualified candidate. she has very carefully avoided any mention of this aspect of the campaign attacks. i think we should follow her lead and stick to media bias, etc. obama has worked very hard to not be labeled the "black" candidate and lose the "white" vote. ( although not too successfully and too bad snakeman. lol ) we need to be very careful not to lose the "male" vote for our side. hillary is perceived by most as a strong and competent candidate, and not particularly feminine. that is a good thing. if we change that just before pennslyvania, we may cause a drop in male voters for her and lose the state. i would like it if someone of the leads in the protest were to contact hillary or her campaign managers directly by monday and find out what the campaign's take on this is before you go so public with the sexism protest. i really want hillary to be there in november. please give this a great deal of thought before commencing with this aspect of the protest at this time. thanks joan

I have to disagree with you. I hate to be the negative one here, but the way things are going it is almost impossible for Hillary to win the nomination. She is up against the DNC, the main stream media, and these loony trolls who will stop at nothing to paint her in a terribly bad light. We could sit back, go after one vote at a time, and continue to watch the MSM waste all of our efforts while they cover up ALL of Obamas negatives oand promote ALL of Hillarys. In my opinion this is what this protest can perform, its too late to do anymore damage, you can see by the polls the damage these people have inflicted has already been done.

1) Firstly you cant look at it as male vs female. This is a rally to persaude the main stream media to FINALLY start reporting the stories that truely affect this race. I am amazed by how few people don't know who Reverand Wright is, or what that trash Randi said. Its not that people don't want to know, it is that they are being spoonfed a candidate by the media who have other agendas. It is as unpatriotic an action as I have ever seen. Perhaps this protest will "scare" some organizations into actually reporting the news in a fair and unbiased manner. Tell CNN we are coming for them next. Let Anderson Cooper and Jacka$$ Cafferty realize that we know what they are up to.

2)A week before PA is the perfect time to have this done. It gives a long enough time to be heard about by the public, and will be fresh in their minds when they hit the booths.

3)This is not just a "we hate sexism" rally. To me it is a "lets make this a fair contest so the voters can decide" rally. That is why it is important that we get both men and women, black and white, old and young, to participate in it. Im afraid if the supporters are looking at it as a "men are wrong and sexist" rally, it WILL fall flat on its face and do damage.

4)It is important at the same time to highlight that there is sexiam in the media...because there is. I assure you that women in PA will more likely take a second look at the race and may reconsider there vote. Men who find this rally offensive, have there minds made up already and I dont care for their vote anyway. No male Hillary supporters will go...."hey look at those angry b++++s, I can't vote for Hillary now.

5)The point here is no differnent than the point that Obama tried to raise in his speech, and hopefully fair media sources will take a look at themselves and realize what in fact has been happening. I gaurantee that FOX, CNN and other main news networks will be so happy that we are not targeting them that they will cover this properly, and if not. Well I'll march on Atlanta.

6) FL and MI will also be highlighted as a key point. The DNC will hopefully realize is all that we are asking for is a fair democratic process to take place. No one is asking for them to hand Hillary the nomination. We want the DNC to respect votes or understand that they will lose in November.


This is an important rally. We need to take all these wonderful supporters on this website, and focus on making this a professional and important rally. Theres no point whining about Rezko, and Randi, and Wright to each other. It does no good. Your voice will be amplified if this rally has its desired effect, and these stories start to get brought to light going into the final elections. PLEASE ALL. For a week focus your efforts on being positive, and getting people to the rally. Educate them on what needs to be done and how to conduct themselves there, and what the real purposes of the rally are. We want a fair election. This is not a third world country it is the home of democracy.

Lets get this done well people, and I assure you the few votes we might lose to sexist men, will be thoroughly outweighed by the educated males and female votes that we pick up.

Get the word out, and help support the organizers. We do not need them to be slowed down.

God Bless

[Wales for Hillary]

[QUOTE=Murray;39002]Joan - I don't think you need to worry about that. It won't be a million people protesting! And it's a small group of supporters who have NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton.

QUOTE]


Murray,
You've put all this work into this site to help Hillary so don't under estimate yourself. Why can't we get a million. I am serious. We have 1118 passionate people signed up here. We owe it to you to make this rally work. We have a week to make people aware of what is happening. If we all work hard and focus our intentions on promoting this event (and not bashing Dean and Obama for a week), thats 6 more days than we need. We're here to support you, so lets deliver this for Murray, Hillary, and the country guys.

Get blogging, emailing, and informing people. Get them to come to this site, decide for themselves, and then help support this noble cause. This can be our gift for Hillary folks, we have a week to make it work, so lets get it done

[mcgowan.swan]

i think the rally and protest itself are a great idea wish i could go all i was saying was that the one component of it sexism might backfire the media bias, etc definitely needs to be addressed and the disrespect shown a senator running for office as well, i just think you should make it a person issue, not a sexist issue for now. these are things that should not be done to anyone, male or female. i just would like the emphasis to be on respect, human rights, and objectivity, not feminism and sexism. and i know we are not connected to the campaign in any way. i just thought it would be respectful to find out if this plan would step on their toes in any way. we all want the same thing. i dont care what the polls are saying. hillary has a good shot at winning because her supporters are majorly not online or being polled but i think they will come out in pa at voting time. joan

[freethinker]

i have heard and seen all the things above and i am sure hillary has as well. the fear i have is that this protest will get tons of media coverage and it very well may cost hillary the nomination we have all worked so hard to gain. this protest is valid and should be staged, but i believe it should be done after november or after and if obama is chosen as the nominee. if we put all this out there and it gets picked up people may start to perceive hillary as the "woman" or "feminist" candidate rather than the best and most qualified candidate. she has very carefully avoided any mention of this aspect of the campaign attacks. i think we should follow her lead and stick to media bias, etc. obama has worked very hard to not be labeled the "black" candidate and lose the "white" vote. ( although not too successfully and too bad snakeman. lol ) we need to be very careful not to lose the "male" vote for our side. hillary is perceived by most as a strong and competent candidate, and not particularly feminine. that is a good thing. if we change that just before pennslyvania, we may cause a drop in male voters for her and lose the state. i would like it if someone of the leads in the protest were to contact hillary or her campaign managers directly by monday and find out what the campaign's take on this is before you go so public with the sexism protest. i really want hillary to be there in november. please give this a great deal of thought before commencing with this aspect of the protest at this time. thanks joan


You know, that's what I like about this board. People are thinking!!! Negotiating the minefield of media spin during this campaign is a nightmare. Every single day is a potential swiftboating day. Which is ironically, precisely one of the issues this protest attempts to address.

Our message, conduct, signs must be solid and consistent, leaving no margin for misinterpretation. Even with that, there will be blowback. The media, the DNC and BO have tried to push Senator Clinton into a corner where virtually anything she says can be twisted to reveal some nefarious motive. Geez, recently, she said she was electable against McCain and she got jumped on for that!!!!

At this point, even tho there will be blowback, I think we have to go for it. The media is getting WORSE and is emboldened to a disgusting degree. This is about unfair, reprehensible attacks, not disagreements on issues. Time to stand up to the sexist bullies!

But, yeah....you raise important concerns which we should all bear in mind. Thanks for the input. All concerns that are voiced can only help us to see all sides and be prepared.

[HillWill]

"Every single day is a potential swiftboating day."
Freethinker - that is a great line.

[Wales for Hillary]

Remember guys we need to keep the messages upbeat over the next few days as we are hoping to get multiples of new visitors over the time.

[Wales for Hillary]

Couple things to help promote the event.

YouTube - Hillary Clinton Voter Protest Event Friday Morning April 11!
http://www.webtrec.com/hillary/

And something to lighten your day. Thanks for the hard works folks.

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/04...led.html#links

We’re almost at 200 online, and lets get 2000 members by this evening. Team Hill can get this done.

[freethinker]

Can anyone track down the specific M. Dowd comments? They will be listed under New York Times offenses.

Thanks


I'm going to limit the sexist remarks to those made by mainstream media. Even tho BO and co have made many, I'm focusing on the media.

Right?

[Hoosier]

Great list Freethinker. I would definitely emphasize everyone of those phrases. It shows an organized pattern of a direct character assasination on Hillary. I know this protest is directed towards the media but I do not think you can eliminate comments made by Michelle or Barack because they were in fact repeated by the press.

[Wales for Hillary]

Well thought out freethinker.

[HillWill]

Hey Freethinker - do you want to make your list into a two-sided handout? Do we want to give this to the general public or should we just have organizers hold on to it? I just don't want too many handouts, as that is just cumbersome and expensive, but wanna know from you and others whether we should still have this list available as a handout, as it is important to remind everyone (at least the media) exactly the bias we're talking about. Thanks.

[freethinker]

Hey Freethinker - do you want to make your list into a two-sided handout? Do we want to give this to the general public or should we just have organizers hold on to it? I just don't want too many handouts, as that is just cumbersome and expensive, but wanna know from you and others whether we should still have this list available as a handout, as it is important to remind everyone (at least the media) exactly the bias we're talking about. Thanks.


Hmmmm. A couple peeps mentioned a packet. We could just have a stapling party and put em together with the talking points on the front. rather than random sheets. Plus, we'll want it for a press packet.

So:

1)Talking points

2)Jayling Stats! We can title her stats: HILLARY CAN WIN!! Plus people love pictures, visuals. (very excited about Jaylings stats :p)

3)Sexism quotes

Whaddaya think?

Kitty, Murray and I are trying to coordinate the printing, stapling, organizing, distributing, etc of the promo flyers for the concert and putting up around the city and handouts for the rally. Not easy, since neither Kitty nor I live in NY! Oh, Endodoc, too! Maybe Wales, as well, if he's avail. I'm also working on a NYC based lead, person who runs Media Action Committee.

[HillWill]

Hmmmm. A couple peeps mentioned a packet. We could just have a stapling party and put em together with the talking points on the front. rather than random sheets. Plus, we'll want it for a press packet.

So:

1)Talking points

2)Jayling Stats! We can title her stats: HILLARY CAN WIN!! Plus people love pictures, visuals. (very excited about Jaylings stats :p)

3)Sexism quotes

Whaddaya think?

Kitty, Murray and I are trying to coordinate the printing, stapling, organizing, distributing, etc of the promo flyers for the concert and putting up around the city and handouts for the rally. Not easy, since neither Kitty nor I live in NY! Oh, Endodoc, too! Maybe Wales, as well, if he's avail. I'm also working on a NYC based lead, person who runs Media Action Committee.

I like it! A packet is great! Expensive, but great! maybe your lead knows someone who will donate photocopying? (free is always my first choice:p)
Anything else I need to do? I love the changes you made to the talking points and am in 100% agreement with them. I would put that big "stop sign" against media bias and the hillaryclintonforum.net address on everything printed (maybe put the web address and contact in footer so you won't forget).
Let me know if you need anything else.

[freethinker]

I like it! A packet is great! Expensive, but great! maybe your lead knows someone who will donate photocopying? (free is always my first choice:p)
Anything else I need to do? I love the changes you made to the talking points and am in 100% agreement with them. I would put that big "stop sign" against media bias and the hillaryclintonforum.net address on everything printed (maybe put the web address and contact in footer so you won't forget).
Let me know if you need anything else.


Oooooh, very cool idea about the stop sign!! who are our graphics contacts?

"Murray!"

:)

[HillWill]

Oooooh, very cool idea about the stop sign!! who are our graphics contacts?

"Murray!"

:)

Somebody has it posted under the slogans thread!

[freethinker]

Poster Rank: #27

HATE SPEECH AND PREJUDICE AGAINST SENATOR CLINTON

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HATE SPEECH AND PREJUDICE AGAINST SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON


Television and Radio



*Air America: Randi Rhodes calls Hillary a “F****g Whore”.


*MSNBC: Matthews says Senator Clinton is "Not a Convincing Mom".


*MSNBC: Matthews compares Senator Clinton to a "Strip Teaser".


*MSNBC: David Shuster accuses Hillary of "Pimping her Daughter", Chelsea.


*FOX: Bill Kristol says White Women are a Problem, we all know that.


*MSNBC: Matthews says "Women like Clinton are Unacceptable to Midwest Guys".


*MSNBC: Matthews says Men who support Senator Clinton are "Castratos in the Eunuch Chorus".


*CNN: Obama’s Campaign Manager, Jesse Jackson, Jr. asks people of South Carolina to examine Senator Clinton’s tears "very carefully" because she only cried for herself, not for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.


*BCC: Obama's Foreign Advisor calls Hillary a "Monster" in an interview.


* MAJOR NETWORKS: Broadcast McCain Rally:“How Do We Beat the B***h?”


* SOUTH PARK COMEDY: Terrorists Put a Bomb in Hillary's ******.









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[mjoynaples]

The new video clearly identifying all the biased,sexist remarks by the men of the media (we need to include the women sometime too another time!) this WAS SO SUPERB... THANK YOU THANK YOU !!! I am stirred to WORK EVEN HARDER for HILLARY IN ANY WAY I AM ABLE and BE SURE THAT SHE IS THE ONLY ONE STANDING FOR OUR COUNTRY... yes, the MADAME PRESIDENT HIllary Clinton! A REAL PERSON for the people ....


VOTE PA and tell us all how you feel and make your voices heard in your VOTES for AMERICA and FOR HILLARY!

[CGP]

The comments featured in that video are evidence of HATE SPEECH & PREJUDICE against Hillary Clinton. This must be challenged and stopped.

[Musicdude]

I am not familiar with specific Women's Rights organizations, or how they operate, but wouldnt they interested in protesting Chris Matthews' shows on NBC and MSNBC?
Boycott perhaps? Protests?

There was a Christian organization that was able to get 2 million of their members to threaten Proctor and Gamble with a boycott of their products if they didnt stop advertising on a certain prime time tv show. That group was successful.

Are there women's rights organizations with that kind of clout?

Seems like its time to play hardball with Chris Matthews, NBC and MSNBC, for starters.

Don Imus' show was carried by MSNBC. They fired him after one instance of racial comments.

Chris Matthews has a continuing theme of gender bias. ALL of his campaign segments are based upon that bias.





Great work freethinker. :)