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Spang
06-01-2009, 01:33 PM
PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 6 in 10 Republicans today are white conservatives, while most of the rest are whites with other ideological leanings; only 11% of Republicans are Hispanics, or are blacks or members of other races. By contrast, only 12% of Democrats are white conservatives, while about half are white moderates or liberals and a third are nonwhite.

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These data reinforce the basic challenge facing the Republican Party today as it ponders how best to remedy a situation that finds Democrats in control of the White House and both houses of Congress. Republicans have a clear monopoly on the allegiance of white conservative Americans, but the GOP's challenge is figuring out whether this is enough of a base on which to build for the future. The alternative is for the GOP to broaden its base to include more minorities and/or more whites who are moderate or liberal in their ideological outlook -- groups now predominantly loyal to the Democratic Party.

The current analysis is based on a sample of more than 26,000 interviews Gallup conducted May 1-27, 2009. Each of the three major political groupings -- those who identify themselves as Republicans, as Democrats, and as independents -- was decomposed into five mutually exclusive and exhaustive categories:

1. Hispanics
2. Non-Hispanic blacks
3. Non-Hispanics who identity their race as something other than white or black
4. Non-Hispanic whites who identify themselves as conservative
5. Non-Hispanic whites who identify their ideology as something other than conservative -- including moderates, liberals, and those who don't express an ideological preference

The results show clearly that the Republican Party today is first and foremost a political entity dominated by white Americans. Eighty-nine percent of rank-and-file Republicans are non-Hispanic whites, leaving just 5% who are Hispanic (of any race), 2% who are black, and 4% of other races.

Further, by well over a 2-to-1 ratio, whites who identify as Republicans claim a conservative, rather than a moderate or liberal, ideology (or have no opinion when asked about their ideology).

Democrats have a significantly more diverse party composition. Well over a third (36%) of Democrats are nonwhite (Hispanic, or black or some other race) and the 64% of Democrats who are white are strongly skewed -- by more than a 4-to-1 ratio -- toward an ideological position that is moderate or liberal rather than conservative.

Independents, as would be expected, are somewhere between Republicans and Democrats in terms of their racial, ethnic, and ideological composition. Twenty-seven percent of independents are Hispanic, or are black or identify with another race, and, by about a 2-to-1 ratio, white independents split toward the nonconservative ideological position.

Religiosity

A similar pattern is found when the three partisan groups are broken down into segments based on race, ethnicity, and religious intensity (among whites, as measured by church attendance).

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About half of Republicans are non-Hispanic whites who are strongly religious, defined as those who attend church about once a week or more frequently. Forty percent of Republicans are whites who attend less frequently.

Democrats, on the other hand, comprise only 20% highly religious whites, with more than twice as many whites who attend church less frequently. The pattern of church attendance among independents is similar to that among Democrats, but independents have higher percentages of whites in both the religious and the nonreligious categories.

Implications

A great deal of attention has been paid to the plight of Republicans who at this juncture in history find themselves not controlling the presidency, the House, or the Senate. Plus, numerous surveys conducted by Gallup and other firms have shown that the GOP appears to be suffering on a number of perceptual dimensions compared to the Democrats (as measured by Gallup and by other recent surveys).

The data reviewed here highlight an essential dilemma the Republicans face as they ponder their future. The Republican Party's constituency is overwhelmingly white -- and the significant majority of those whites are ideologically conservative, while a majority are highly religious, as defined by church attendance. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, has more than three times the percentage of nonwhites among its identifiers as does the GOP. And white Democrats are much more likely to be moderate or liberal than conservative, and are much more likely to be infrequent church attenders rather than frequent church attenders.

Does the Republican Party in essence "stick to the knitting" and cling to its core conservative principles? Or should the Republicans make an effort to expand their base -- among whites who are moderate or less religious, and/or the various nonwhite groups who to this point are largely ignoring the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats? The decision the party makes in response to this question could be pivotal in helping determine its future.

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with 26,314 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted May 1-27, 2009, as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

The Source (http://www.gallup.com/poll/118937/Republican-Base-Heavily-White-Conservative-Religious.aspx?CSTS=alert)

sojourner
06-01-2009, 01:44 PM
Wow! Talk about late breaking news!

Actually the percent of Hispanic independents was a little surprising to me.

Suzan
06-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Independents, as would be expected, are somewhere between Republicans and Democrats in terms of their racial, ethnic, and ideological composition. Twenty-seven percent of independents are Hispanic, or are black or identify with another race, and, by about a 2-to-1 ratio, white independents split toward the nonconservative ideological position.

This surprised me too, although it says 27% are Hispanic, black or identify with another race, not all Hispanic. I'm surprised at the 2/1 ratio nonconservative. I'd have thought the majority of Indies were center right, but that's probably based on the sample here at HCF, and not representative.

mavfin
06-01-2009, 07:13 PM
This surprised me too, although it says 27% are Hispanic, black or identify with another race, not all Hispanic. I'm surprised at the 2/1 ratio nonconservative. I'd have thought the majority of Indies were center right, but that's probably based on the sample here at HCF, and not representative.

Well, depends on definitions and what they asked, really. If they asked social conservative questions, then I would be one of those 'nonconservatives'. If they asked defense/fiscal questions, then I'd be conservative. Independents, by their nature, are hard to pigeonhole. :D

INDY4PUMAS
06-01-2009, 07:26 PM
I guess I don't understand what this poll is trying to suggest.

The poll breaks out the religiosity percentage of whites, but does not do so for blacks, and hispanics? I would imagine a large, majority of blacks and hispanics are religious. I believe that if you added up the total number of blacks and hispanics who claim to be religious, the democrats would have roughly the same percentage of total religious people as republicans.

I really never understood the rap on Republicans for have a religious wing in the party. Afro-Americans are a strong religious group in the Democrat party. Hispanics and left-leaning whites have a strong tie to the Catholic church. Why don't we ever hear about the nutty religious people in the Democrat party (other than Wright)? Its seems to me, liberal comedians and media talking heads trash religion as a slam on the Republican party. Do the religious blacks, hispanics, and whites within the Democrat party take offence to these remarks? If we laugh at little, white, church ladies, shouldn't we laugh at blacks singing in a gospel choir, too?

BTW, I am not religious.

Suzan
06-01-2009, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by INDY4PUMAS
I guess I don't understand what this poll is trying to suggest.

The poll breaks out the religiosity percentage of whites, but does not do so for blacks, and hispanics? I would imagine a large, majority of blacks and hispanics are religious. I believe that if you added up the total number of blacks and hispanics who claim to be religious, the democrats would have roughly the same percentage of total religious people as republicans.

Not sure either, now that you mention it. Based on the headline, I guess they're trying to track the religiosity of whites versus their ideology, but then why include the other groups?

I really never understood the rap on Republicans for have a religious wing in the party. Afro-Americans are a strong religious group in the Democrat party. Hispanics and left-leaning whites have a strong tie to the Catholic church. Why don't we ever hear about the nutty religious people in the Democrat party (other than Wright)? Its seems to me, liberal comedians and media talking heads trash religion as a slam on the Republican party. Do the religious blacks, hispanics, and whites within the Democrat party take offence to these remarks? If we laugh at little, white, church ladies, shouldn't we laugh at blacks singing in a gospel choir, too?

The rap originated with the Religious Right, who imo have been heavy handed in trying to legislate morality. They want to turn their beliefs into law and impose those laws on everyone, and many of them believe they have a mandate from God to do so, which makes them relatively insensitive to anyone else's beliefs and concerns.

And while the Democrats have attempted to legislate other things that some say fall outside the domain of government, they typically support separation of church and state and tend not to mess with people's religious beliefs.

Suzan
06-01-2009, 09:12 PM
Well, depends on definitions and what they asked, really. If they asked social conservative questions, then I would be one of those 'nonconservatives'. If they asked defense/fiscal questions, then I'd be conservative. Independents, by their nature, are hard to pigeonhole. :D
So true. The questions are as important as the answers--and can slant the answers depending on how they're asked, but all we ever get are the statistical results.

INDY4PUMAS
06-01-2009, 09:38 PM
The rap originated with the Religious Right, who imo have been heavy handed in trying to legislate morality. They want to turn their beliefs into law and impose those laws on everyone, and many of them believe they have a mandate from God to do so, which makes them relatively insensitive to anyone else's beliefs and concerns.

And while the Democrats have attempted to legislate other things that some say fall outside the domain of government, they typically support separation of church and state and tend not to mess with people's religious beliefs.


You make very valid points.

The Religious Right has soured the Repub party. Blurring the lines between church and state is not a good thing. However, the media seems to be more condescending towards religion in general over the last decade or so. I think it's great to keep religious leaders in check, but don't knock someone for believing in Jesus. Whatever. It keeps them off the streets.


BTW, I am posting this response with 6 posts and 66 views for this thread! :laughing:

The_Basseteer
06-01-2009, 09:43 PM
BTW, I am posting this response with 6 posts and 66 views for this thread! :laughing:
666???!!!! I just KNEW all you people were evil incarnate!!!!:rotfl:

sojourner
06-01-2009, 09:51 PM
The rap originated with the Religious Right, who imo have been heavy handed in trying to legislate morality. They want to turn their beliefs into law and impose those laws on everyone

You have described almost everyone that participates in the political process. That includes both side of the abortion issue, both sides of any morality issue, and both sides of any political issue you want to name.

The_Basseteer
06-01-2009, 09:52 PM
You have described almost everyone that participates in the political process. That includes both side of the abortion issue, both sides of any morality issue, and both sides of any political issue you want to name.
Agree 100%

Suzan
06-01-2009, 10:12 PM
You have described almost everyone that participates in the political process. That includes both side of the abortion issue, both sides of any morality issue, and both sides of any political issue you want to name.
Mmm, no I don't agree. Pro-choice people don't want to force abortions on anyone who doesn't want them. They're trying to protect their own right to choose.

I wonder ... how you would like your right to make vital choices about your body taken away?

Also, in what other ways are the Dems trying to legislate morality?

Spang
06-01-2009, 10:19 PM
Mmm, no I don't agree. Pro-choice people don't want to force abortions on anyone who doesn't want them.

I also don't agree. People who support same-sex marriage are not forcing same-sex marriages onto people who don't want them. If you don't want same-sex marriage, don't have one. Likewise, if you don't want an abortion, don't have one.

sojourner
06-01-2009, 10:24 PM
Mmm, no I don't agree. Pro-choice people don't want to force abortions on anyone who doesn't want them. They're trying to protect their own right to choose.

I wonder ... how you would like your right to make vital choices about your body taken away?

Also, in what other ways are the Dems trying to legislate morality?

Don’t you consider equal rights a morality issue? How about healthcare? How about welfare? How about torture? How about...

The_Basseteer
06-01-2009, 10:27 PM
Mmm, no I don't agree. Pro-choice people don't want to force abortions on anyone who doesn't want them. They're trying to protect their own right to choose.
Maybe not, but they'll sure try to convince someone who can't have one that it's ok.

Pro-lifers' sting tags more AZ abortion clinics (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=456580)
Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 3/19/2009 6:40:00 AMBookmark and Share

Planned ParenthoodA student-led nonprofit has released more undercover videos of Planned Parenthood workers offering an abortion to someone posing as an underage girl, allegedly concealing statutory rape in the process.



Lila Rose of Live Action (http://www.liveaction.org/), who posed as a teenager along with another young woman, told workers that she had been impregnated by a 27-year-old man -- information that the workers essentially ignored. She explains that this latest video "shows the fourth and the fifth Planned Parenthood clinic covering up the sexual abuse of a very young girl -- in this case a 15-year-old girl." Both of the clinics are located in Phoenix, Arizona. (See YouTube video of visits to Phoenix clinics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97N9JVCmjYU)

Arizona law requires that the appropriate authorities be contacted if an adult-child relationship is revealed. Rose argues that is not happening at these clinics. "Employees are deliberately neglecting their legal obligation to report sexual abuse in these cases, and instead [are] offering these secret and illegal abortions," she states.

Rose also conducted an undercover probe with the same results at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Tucson (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=407786)and turned the videos over to the state attorney general and district attorney of Pima County -- but she has heard nothing stemming from that February probe.

Lila Rose"At this time no public statement has been made from the county attorney's office in Pima County in regards to the sexual abuse cover-up at the Tucson clinic," says the college-age pro-life activist.

Several weeks ago, Live Action released similar videos done at Planned Parenthood facilities in Indiana (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=394672) in December 2008. According to Rose's group, both of those clinics either fired or suspended employees -- and state prosecutors have launched investigations into Planned Parenthood of Indiana.

The video are part of Live Action's "Mona Lisa Project," a nationwide undercover probe of Planned Parenthood clinics.


So we have abortion clinics willing to break the law in order to give abortions. It makes one ask the question, Do they get paid by the job??

Spang
06-01-2009, 10:33 PM
18.95 percent of OneNewsNow.com poll respondents are officially insane (http://scienceblogs.com/bushwells/2009/02/1895_percent_of_onenewsnowcom.php)

Suzan
06-01-2009, 10:50 PM
The Religious Right has soured the Repub party. Blurring the lines between church and state is not a good thing. However, the media seems to be more condescending towards religion in general over the last decade or so. I think it's great to keep religious leaders in check, but don't knock someone for believing in Jesus. Whatever. It keeps them off the streets.

LOL, you bring a whole different perspective to the argument. I agree about the press being condescending about religion. That's always been the case. They ARE elitist.

I shouldn't be saying this, but sometimes I wonder if Independents are defined by what they don't like, which is just about everything and everybody political. :rotfl:

Suzan
06-01-2009, 11:00 PM
The_Basseteer;582157]Maybe not, but they'll sure try to convince someone who can't have one that it's ok.

I was talking about the spirit of the Pro-Choice movement, not the activities of one agency, like Planned Parenthood. I've heard the charges against them, but I have no personal experience, so won't make judgments based on what could be propaganda.

And what do you mean by someone who "can't" have an abortion?

Suzan
06-01-2009, 11:11 PM
Don’t you consider equal rights a morality issue? How about healthcare? How about welfare? How about torture? How about...

No, I don't--and excuse me, but you're confusing things by trying to drag them into the discussion in order to invalidate the argument.

I'm talking about sexual morality and anything relating to it that the Religious Right says is a no no.

sojourner
06-01-2009, 11:13 PM
I was talking about the spirit of the Pro-Choice movement, not the activities of one agency, like Planned Parenthood. I've heard the charges against them, but I have no personal experience, so won't make judgments based on what could be propaganda.


Using Planned Parenhood as an example of the spirit of Pro-Choice seems like a bad choice. Planned Parenthood was formed on the idea of eugenics and zero population growth.

Here is Margaret Sanger in her own words: Margaret Sanger (http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm)

Suzan
06-01-2009, 11:14 PM
Using Planned Parenhood as an example of the spirit of Pro-Choice seems like a bad choice. Planned Parenthood was formed on the idea of eugenics and zero population growth.

Here is Margaret Sanger in her own words: Margaret Sanger (http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm)
Sojourner, I didn't use Planned Parenthood as an example. Basseteer did.

sojourner
06-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Sojourner, I didn't use Planned Parenthood as an example. Basseteer did.

OOPS! Sorry. I think I will try and get my tuition back from that speed reading class.

Suzan
06-02-2009, 02:32 AM
OOPS! Sorry. I think I will try and get my tuition back from that speed reading class.

You should sue those people!!! :rotfl:

devildog
06-02-2009, 09:30 AM
18.95 percent of OneNewsNow.com poll respondents are officially insane (http://scienceblogs.com/bushwells/2009/02/1895_percent_of_onenewsnowcom.php)

The article you posted is talking about an evolution poll. You didn't answer Basseteer's question, and you're skirting the issue.

mavfin
06-02-2009, 10:56 AM
The article you posted is talking about an evolution poll. You didn't answer Basseteer's question, and you're skirting the issue.

Spang's usual pattern.

Spang
06-02-2009, 12:17 PM
The article you posted is talking about an evolution poll. You didn't answer Basseteer's question, and you're skirting the issue.

I don't work at an abortion clinic. The poll on evolution/creationism is meaningless. The idea that 18.95% of the respondents to that poll at OneNewsNow.com are insane and the rest delusional, is not.

devildog
06-02-2009, 05:31 PM
I don't work at an abortion clinic. The poll on evolution/creationism is meaningless. The idea that 18.95% of the respondents to that poll at OneNewsNow.com are insane and the rest delusional, is not.

So, they're delusional because the blogger you posted didn't like the poll question? That's funny, really. It's crystal clear you didn't like the source Basseteer posted. Did you watch the videos? This is the war on "sources" all over again. It's tired and old.

Spang
06-02-2009, 05:38 PM
So, they're delusional because the blogger you posted didn't like the poll question? That's funny, really. It's crystal clear you didn't like the source Basseteer posted. Did you watch the videos? This is the war on "sources" all over again. It's tired and old.

I'm a left-wing extremist when it comes to social issues.

Kbentleyis
06-02-2009, 05:52 PM
Well, I'm Independent and I don't dislike ALL in politics--just those that have been BSing us for such a long time. It allows me to not pick someone who talks a good speech and wears a great suit, (which moms always warned their daughters to avoid), but to weigh-in what they stand for and their accomplishments.

No more judging a book by it's cover, for me! I'm looking more into the person not the party!