(June 25, 2009): "Honor & Consequence" (GSJ) - Our Responsibility

[The_Basseteer]

I grew up during the "Cold War" surrounded by eighteen Titian missile silos with a SAC base in the middle of the bulls eye. We figured two Soviet nukes for each silo and two for Davis-Monthon AFB. Had the button been pushed, as we were all anticipating during the Cuban missile crisis, Tucson would have been a smoking, glowing crater. That being said I'm not afraid of some little, pointy haired, gnome of a NOK kimchee eater.

From: Gunslinger's Journal (http://gunslingersjournal.blogspot.com/)

Thursday, June 25, 2009
Honor and Consequence (http://gunslingersjournal.blogspot.com/2009/06/honor-and-consequence.html)
Yahoo News reports that North Korea threatens the U.S. with missile... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear_91)

Here's the thing.

If we keep going the way we're going. If Congress passes the Cap & Tax bill, and institutes Nationalized Healthcare...er....Socialized Medicine...

...do I really care if the geek-haired-Mini-Me lobs a nuke at us?

In the old days when gentlemen behaved in such a way that their honor was besmirched, and their only alternatives were living with the shame of dishonor or death, they chose personal annihilation.

We are responsible as citizens for the dishonorable actions of an out-of-control, corrupt government through our participation, our neglect, our ignorance, or our laziness.

If this criminal enterprise we call Congress deals the final blow to our economy, our liberty, our prosperity, our future and our honor through the passage of these two bills that will literally enslave us...perhaps we are better off dead.

Better to go out with a bang than with a slow degrading slide into Third World status.

The Gunslinger



Oh yeah, I was in Korea from July of `67 to August of `68..I like kimchee.

[Spang]

Better to go out with a bang than with a slow degrading slide into Third World status.

Unfortunately, several people have already killed their families and themselves. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30094954/) This article will probably inspire a new batch of gun-toting nut-jobs to do the same. I doubt the author will, nor will he take responsibility when it happens.

[jlynne]

Unfortunately, several people have already killed their families and themselves. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30094954/) This article will probably inspire a new batch of gun-toting nut-jobs to do the same. I doubt the author will, nor will he take responsibility when it happens.

If a simple news article was enough to prompt people to commit murder/suicides, we should have hundreds if not thousands each day. Instead, murder/suicides occur so infrequently that they still shock us and make the local news. It isn't free speech that we should be punishing, it's bad behavior.

My father-in-law fought in Korea. He always said that Korea could be as big a threat as China under the right circumstances. If Korea does have a missile that is capable of reaching Hawaii and they do fire it ... I would be frightened. I'd be wondering why our troops are still languishing in a hole like Afghanistan instead of defending the US itself ...

[Spang]

It isn't free speech that we should be punishing, it's bad behavior.

You can't punish a guy who kills himself after killing his entire family.

[Classical Liberal]

If the NK's DO get so audacious as to blow Hawaii to hell, then we had BETTER blow the NK's to hell. I don't care what China threatens, they supply the NK's right now, and blowing up an American state is an act of war.

[hobbitt]

Oh yeah, I was in Korea from July of `67 to August of `68..I like kimchee.


We were in Seoul and Pusan in 1997; I swear the kimchee was MOVING on my plate. Thereafter, we sought out tourist restaurants.

[jlynne]

You can't punish a guy who kills himself after killing his entire family.

Sure you can. If you're the government, you can seize his assets and use those assets to forever besmirch his name. If you're a family member, you can bury his body almost any way you'd like and put just about anything on his headstone. You can make his name as synonymous with evil and betrayal as Lizzy Borden or Benedict Arnold. Who knows what kind of deterrent those type of seizure/shame tactics might be to a person whose freedom means nothing to him and whose life means nothing to him.

Of course, as I've said time and time before, the real solution is to make sure that people who need it have access to mental health services. It usually isn't some stupid article that triggers a homicidal shooting spree -- it's usually a domestic issue such as job loss or divorce.

[Spang]

Sure you can. If you're the government, you can seize his assets and use those assets to forever besmirch his name. If you're a family member, you can bury his body almost any way you'd like and put just about anything on his headstone. You can make his name as synonymous with evil and betrayal as Lizzy Borden or Benedict Arnold. Who knows what kind of deterrent those type of seizure/shame tactics might be to a person whose freedom means nothing to him and whose life means nothing to him.

Dead people couldn't care less about any of that stuff.

<DRAMATIC PAUSE>

They're dead.

[jlynne]

Dead people couldn't care less about any of that stuff.

<DRAMATIC PAUSE>

They're dead.

How could you possibly know what dead people care about? How could any of us possibly know what goes through the head of a murderer before he pulls the trigger and kills his wife or his child? I don't want to take this conversation any further ... so lets go back to North Korea and call it a done deal.

[Spang]

I don't want to take this conversation any further ... so lets go back to North Korea and call it a done deal.

Fair enough. :)>-

[The_Basseteer]

Dead people couldn't care less about any of that stuff.

<DRAMATIC PAUSE>

They're dead.

.....and they still vote Democrat

[Spang]

.....and they still vote Democrat

Lol, they only register to vote.

[Lealy]

Lol, they only register to vote.

No they still get to vote in some states and been doing so for decades.

[westmann13]

Lol, they only register to vote.

Lol, exactly - registered to vote - therefore some do vote and it's illegal. Nevada lawmakers are actually bringing charges against the fraud that took place. You have GOT to be kidding if your trying to justify voter fraud. Maybe you should live in Iran where votes are easily manipulated.

[Spang]

Lol, exactly - registered to vote - therefore some do vote and it's illegal. Nevada lawmakers are actually bringing charges against the fraud that took place. You have GOT to be kidding if your trying to justify voter fraud. Maybe you should live in Iran where votes are easily manipulated.

They don't actually register to vote, they're dead. And they sure as hell don't vote. You know, 'cause they're dead. I don't support voter fraud anymore than you support Barack Obama.

[westmann13]

They don't actually register to vote, they're dead. And they sure as hell don't vote. You know, 'cause they're dead. I don't support voter fraud anymore than you support Barack Obama.

But people pretending to be them register and vote. I could only imagine what you would be saying Spang, if John McCain or Hillary Clinton had "dead" people voting for them. People have died for the right to vote and your sarcasm against people trying to protect those rights is appalling.

[Spang]

But people pretending to be them register and vote.

Prove it.

[westmann13]

Prove it.

NO. YOU prove that people AREN'T voting.

[Spang]

NO. YOU prove that people AREN'T voting.

That's easy. I just did.

[westmann13]

That's easy. I just did.

Really now. Source?

[Spang]

Really now. Source?

There isn't one.

[westmann13]

There isn't one.

I rest my case. You haven't proved it.

[Spang]

I rest my case. You haven't proved it.

Nor have you. I guess we both suck at the internet. :thumbsup:

[westmann13]

Nor have you. I guess we both suck at the internet. :thumbsup:

Let's be logical, then why do people register vote? They don't register for the hell of it. Either way, even if they didn't vote it is still fradulent. You can't just register Mickey Mouse to vote.

[Spang]

Let's be logical, then why do people register vote? They don't register for the hell of it. Either way, even if they didn't vote it is still fradulent. You can't register Mickey Mouse to vote.

They register fictional characters and deceased people for the money. Also, I don't support it. But at the same time, I understand.

[jlynne]

The "dead vote" has been a Southern tradition for as long as I can remember. I looked the last time I voted in TN and both my mother and father's ballots were cast even though they'd died the year before. I suspect if I voted in TN during the next election I would still see my parents name in the book and checks by their names showing their votes cast. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that I'd voted in a few local elections, myself.

[Spang]

The "dead vote" has been a Southern tradition for as long as I can remember.

That's pretty sad if the South has to cheat to attempt to beat a black man.

But how do they do it? And more importantly, how do they get away with it?

This would also explain how Gore lost Tennessee.

[jlynne]

Al Gore lost TN because when he was sent to the Senate he was a Southern Baptist, capitalist and when he came back he was a liberal democrat, faux environmentalist. I personally saw him speak at a Southern Baptist convention and heard his wife urge pastors to go back and have record burning parties (which I vehemently disagree with). I was also there when he refused to help the Dead Pigeon River Society fight International Paper and saw him punt more times than I care to remember on Champion Paper Mill (I wish he'd shown up to the public meeting that I went to because I would have loved to pelt him with 10-eyed half rotten barely living fish like we did the mill officials.) I won't even go into the environmental damage the zinc mine on his property has done. If I had to guess why Gore didn't win TN, it would be because many of the people here who had dealings with him walked away with a sense that he was an opportunist and nothing more. That's certainly how I felt.

But that has nothing to do with the dead vote. It's never been needed on a national level. TN is a solid red state and will continue to be a solid red state. I doubt the dead vote has ever been used on the state level. For as long as I can remember, its always been for local issues -- keep the county dry, maintain the power structure in the local police department, make sure the law favors certain industries operated by the right people. It's very similar to the pay for votes system used in the Northeast where you have to grease the unions palms to get voter turnout. Its just that the machine operates differently and its less expansive and less intrusive.

[jlynne]

That's pretty sad if the South has to cheat to attempt to beat a black man.

I am so sick of hearing this ... it isn't his skin color that people care about ... it's his disasterous economic policies. I swear I am going to have to come up with something to say in response ...

:laughing:I divided my vote into quarters, cast 1/4 for the black man, 1/4 for the war veteran, and 1/2 for the only person on the ballot qualifed to be president :[-X

[Laura Cereta]

We are responsible as citizens for the dishonorable actions of an out-of-control, corrupt government through our participation, our neglect, our ignorance, or our laziness.

If this criminal enterprise we call Congress deals the final blow to our economy, our liberty, our prosperity, our future and our honor through the passage of these two bills that will literally enslave us...perhaps we are better off dead.



I think death is a little dramatic, but I agree we are responsible. That is part of having a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people." A big part of our responsibility was when we went to the polls in November. We screwed that up. Let's not repeat that mistake in 2010.

[Tybee]

That's pretty sad if the South has to cheat to attempt to beat a black man.

But how do they do it? And more importantly, how do they get away with it?

This would also explain how Gore lost Tennessee.


Gore lost huge in his home state. He's white.

[Spang]

But that has nothing to do with the dead vote. It's never been needed on a national level.

In that case, no harm, no foul.