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Spang
07-02-2009, 06:52 PM
A court in the Indian capital, Delhi, has ruled that homosexual intercourse between consenting adults is not a criminal act.

The ruling overturns a 148-year-old colonial law which describes a same-sex relationship as an "unnatural offence".

Homosexual acts were punishable by a 10-year prison sentence.

Many people in India regard same-sex relationships as illegitimate. Rights groups have long argued that the law contravened human rights.

Delhi's High Court ruled that the law outlawing homosexual acts was discriminatory and a "violation of fundamental rights".

The court said that a statute in Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which defines homosexual acts as "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" and made them illegal, was an "antithesis of the right to equality".

'India's Stonewall'

The ruling is historic in a country where homosexuals face discrimination and persecution on a daily basis but it is likely to be challenged, says the BBC's Soutik Biswas in Delhi.

It also promises to change the discourse on sexuality in a largely conservative country, where even talking about sex is largely taboo, our correspondent says.

Gay rights activists all over the country welcomed the ruling and said it was "India's Stonewall".

New York's Stonewall riot in 1969 is credited with launching the gay rights movement.

"It [the ruling] is India's Stonewall. We are elated. I think what now happens is that a lot of our fundamental rights and civic rights which were denied to us can now be reclaimed by us," activist and lawyer Aditya Bandopadhyay told the BBC.

"It is a fabulously written judgement, and it restores our faith in the judiciary," he said.

Leading gay rights activist and the editor of India's first gay magazine Ashok Row Kavi welcomed the judgement but said the stigma against homosexuals will persist.

"The social stigma will remain. It is [still] a long struggle. But the ruling will help in HIV prevention. Gay men can now visit doctors and talk about their problems. It will help in preventing harassment at police stations," Mr Kavi told the BBC.

But the decision was greeted with unease by other groups.

Father Dominic Emanuel of India's Catholic Bishop Council said the church did not "approve" of homosexual behaviour.

"Our stand has always been very clear. The church has no serious objection to decriminalising homosexuality between consenting adults, the church has never considered homosexuals as criminals," said Father Emanuel.

"But the church does not approve of this behaviour. It doesn't consider it natural, ethical, or moral," he said.

The head cleric of Jama Masjid, India's largest mosque, criticised the ruling.

"This is absolutely wrong. We will not accept any such law," Ahmed Bukhari told the AFP news agency.

In 2004, the Indian government opposed a legal petition that sought to legalise homosexuality - a petition the high court in Delhi dismissed.

But rights groups and the Indian government's HIV/Aids control body have demanded that homosexuality be legalised.

The National Aids Control Organisation (Naco) has said that infected people were being driven underground and efforts to curb the virus were being hampered.

According to one estimate, more than 8% of homosexual men in India were infected with HIV, compared to fewer than 1% in the general population.

The Source[ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8129836.stm)

Laura Cereta
07-02-2009, 07:49 PM
Wow, this is awesome news! :thumbsup: I'd like to think that the recent gay rights progress in the U.S. has helped other countries who still choose to discriminate to take a second look at the issue.

I'll try to think of this victory next time I call one of my credit card companies and someone in India answers. Hopefully, pleasant thoughts will keep me from feeling so annoyed because I can't understand what they're saying.

Spang
07-02-2009, 07:51 PM
I'll try to think of this victory next time I call one of my credit card companies and someone in India answers. Hopefully, pleasant thoughts will keep me from feeling so annoyed because I can't understand what they're saying.

It's not their fault we gave them our jobs.

Laura Cereta
07-02-2009, 07:55 PM
It's not their fault we gave them our jobs.

Yeah, I know and I should be more tolerant but when someone keeps reading me the same script and I can only understand 5 words out of it, I just get soooooo frustrated. :o

Outsourcing jobs is a part of capitalism that I hate, though I understand why companies do it. Profit, profit, profit...

Spang
07-02-2009, 07:57 PM
Outsourcing jobs is a part of capitalism that I hate, though I understand why companies do it. Profit, profit, profit...

I derailed my own thread.

"Capitalism is man exploiting man. Socialism is just the opposite." - Coluche

Laura Cereta
07-02-2009, 08:09 PM
I derailed my own thread.


I helped you. :p

Back to the decriminalization of homosexuality in India...

But rights groups and the Indian government's HIV/Aids control body have demanded that homosexuality be legalised.

The National Aids Control Organisation (Naco) has said that infected people were being driven underground and efforts to curb the virus were being hampered.


It would be horrible to fear legal repercussions in order to get proper health care. It kind of reminds me of the mid-80's here. I was a little kid, but I clearly remember all the horrific discrimination going on and the crushing stigma of being infected with the HIV virus. :(

Suzan
07-02-2009, 08:25 PM
Gay rights activists all over the country welcomed the ruling and said it was "India's Stonewall".

Loved this line ... and I'm not saying a word about capitalism in this thread, except that I distrust it almost as much as I do socialism. I've never lived under socialism, so can't compare. I just generally don't like isms.

BillDemo
07-03-2009, 09:20 AM
Good news, but unfortunately, in India, it's still illegal to wear pink, sing showtunes and be a fan of Barbara Streisand... :p:p

CGP
07-03-2009, 09:48 AM
The decriminalization only applies to one city, Delhi. In the rest of india (another billion people) homosexual sex remains illegal.

Laura Cereta
07-03-2009, 12:38 PM
The decriminalization only applies to one city, Delhi. In the rest of india (another billion people) homosexual sex remains illegal.

Really? The article fails to mention that, which makes it quite misleading.

CGP
07-03-2009, 12:58 PM
Really? The article fails to mention that, which makes it quite misleading.

The ruling is "non-binding outside Delhi" but I'm not sure how that can hold...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6623241.ece

Spang
07-06-2009, 02:44 PM
Singapore not swayed by India gay sex ruling: minister

SINGAPORE (AFP) — An Indian court's decision to repeal a ban on gay sex will not lead Singapore to overturn a similar colonial-era law, the city-state's law minister has been quoted as saying.

Legislation banning "carnal intercourse against the law of nature" is a remnant of British colonial rule in both countries.

Last week, the Delhi High Court ruled that the 1860 statute banning consensual gay sex violated basic individual rights guaranteed by the constitution.

But Singapore Law Minister K. Shanmugam said his country was unlikely to move towards decriminalisation of gay sex, as most of the public did not support such a move.

"If the majority of our population is against homosexuality, then it's not for the government to say we are going to force something against the wishes of the people," the Today newspaper quoted Shanmugam as saying.

He said however that Singapore's courts were free to interpret the law as the Indian court had done.

"We won't change the law, but how that is interpreted is up to the courts," the Straits Times quoted the minister as saying.

"It is not our position to tell the courts what to do."

Singapore's ban on gay sex punishes offenders with up to two years in jail, although it has rarely been enforced.

In October 2007, Singapore legalised oral and anal sex between heterosexual couples, but lawmakers retained the ban on gay sex, rejecting a petition by gay rights activists to abolish the law.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said at the time that Singapore remains a conservative society and that abolishing the law could "send the wrong signal", prompting gay activists to push for legalisation of same-sex marriage.

The Source (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gB6GGi_HnwqH7a-GUthZriIh_pvg)

Suzan
07-06-2009, 04:05 PM
"We won't change the law, but how that is interpreted is up to the courts," the Straits Times quoted the minister as saying.

"It is not our position to tell the courts what to do."

WTH? Sounds like their own version of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.