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Obama doesn't like one of Hillary's latest TV ads - read the article below:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/ap_on_el_pr/obama
The TV ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70emIFxETs
Note how the Obama online army has bombarded the youtube voting system with one star votes. It's a fiasco.
Disfranchised
02-29-2008, 03:48 PM
Too bad!
It is the truth.
Too bad!
It is the truth.
Exactly! Obama isn't a big fan of the truth! Nor are his unthinking followers.
BooskerD
02-29-2008, 03:58 PM
Huh. Comments must be disabled...I don't see any of the usual barrage of obscenities that are the hallmark of Obamamaniacs.
Huh. Comments must be disabled...I don't see any of the usual barrage of obscenities that are the hallmark of Obamamaniacs.
Yes, they have infected just about every news and social networking site with their vile comments and abuse. :mad:
skc1976
02-29-2008, 08:01 PM
Obama doesn't like one of Hillary's latest TV ads - read the article below:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/ap_on_el_pr/obama
The TV ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70emIFxETs
Note how the Obama online army has bombarded the youtube voting system with one star votes. It's a fiasco.
Of course CNN didn't approve my comment on it when I referred to Obama copying her idea for his latest retort and again following and Xeroxing. Fortunately, a couple others got comments through along those lines.
He makes me sick!
Of course CNN didn't approve my comment on it when I referred to Obama copying her idea for his latest retort and again following and Xeroxing. Fortunately, a couple others got comments through along those lines.
I've given up on submitting comments to CNN as they never publish them. ABC News is SIGNIFICANTLY better and will publish most comments. I have submitted some there today about the Obama/Rezko article they have featured. Don't wast your energy on, as you said, Clinton Negative Network! Or as someone else put, Cult News Network! Or Conjob News Network! Or Corrupt News Network!
SwiftFox
02-29-2008, 08:13 PM
So, what do you all think of this ad? My cousin, who voted for Hillary, sees it as "negative" and "controversial" and seems all too willing to believe whatever the media tells her about the ad. *Sigh*
I've now watched the ad several times. I don't have a problem with it. I don't know -- am I too pro-Hillary to see a downside to it?
Here's what I think is a very powerful video from today -- more on the same theme -- from Hillary's visit to Waco, TX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRfGZjPrrk&feature=user
skc1976
02-29-2008, 08:15 PM
LOL, I guess that I'm a glutton for punishment. :D I'll have to give ABC News a try. Old habits are just so hard to break and I've used CNN for so long. :(
The media is full of shit. As is Obama's campaign! It's a perfectly acceptable ad that challenges the viewer to ask the question - who can I most trust to lead this nation, especially in difficult times? How is that scandalous? Yawn!!! Once again the media is pandering to Odrama. I know who I'd rather have on "nightwatch" and it ain't Obama!
LOL, I guess that I'm a glutton for punishment. :D I'll have to give ABC News a try. Old habits are just so hard to break and I've used CNN for so long. :(
NO MORE CNN for submitting comments!!!! They really suck. ABC News pretty much always publishes my comments. If you register it's better.
skc1976
02-29-2008, 08:28 PM
So, what do you all think of this ad? My cousin, who voted for Hillary, sees it as "negative" and "controversial" and seems all too willing to believe whatever the media tells her about the ad. *Sigh*
I've now watched the ad several times. I don't have a problem with it. I don't know -- am I too pro-Hillary to see a downside to it?
Here's what I think is a very powerful video from today -- more on the same theme -- from Hillary's visit to Waco, TX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRfGZjPrrk&feature=user
First off, thank your cousin for voting for Hillary!
Personally, I think the ad is fine. It's not a happy go lucky ad. Then again, usually a foreign crisis isn't along those lines. If anything, it's a very real ad and one that provokes a lot of thought.
I don't have kids. I'll never have kids. But, when I go to sleep at night and I have to worry about if we'll be around tomorrow to wake up to, I want Hillary Clinton there at 3a.m. in the morning to take care of us to ensure we're safe. I'll take John McCain in that position as well. But I will not trust Barack Obama in that position. By the time he reacted, we could be in trouble.
And thank you for sharing that video. She really makes such a valid points in it!
skc1976
02-29-2008, 08:30 PM
NO MORE CNN for submitting comments!!!! They really suck. ABC News pretty much always publishes my comments. If you register it's better.
<Sean slaps hand...bad Sean...bad bad Sean!> No more CNN! :)
SwiftFox
02-29-2008, 08:50 PM
Thanks Murray and Sean for your input. I like to think I'm open-minded regarding Hillary and her campaign, i.e. open to the idea that she or member(s) of her staff might make mistakes here and there. This is in contrast to Obama people who appear to think Obama and his campaign are above reproach.
... If anything, it's a very real ad and one that provokes a lot of thought. ... But, when I go to sleep at night and I have to worry about if we'll be around tomorrow to wake up to, I want Hillary Clinton there at 3a.m. in the morning to take care of us to ensure we're safe. I'll take John McCain in that position as well. But I will not trust Barack Obama in that position. By the time he reacted, we could be in trouble.
Yeah, I feel the same. Not only do I not trust Obama to react expeditiously in a crisis, but I don't trust him to make the proper decisions.
I like to think I'm open-minded regarding Hillary and her campaign, i.e. open to the idea that she or member(s) of her staff might make mistakes here and there. This is in contrast to Obama people who think Obama and his campaign are above reproach.
Exactly, the sign of a health person/campaign/forum (!!) is the capacity and willingness to acknowledge fault when it occurs. I don't think HC has ever presented herself as perfect and I like that. She has made mistakes like everyone has. And I think it's fine and normal to critique someone we support and to not agree with everything that is done. To not critique our candidate places us at risk of the same fanaticism as the Obamamaniacs! And this is where I think the difference is - most Clinton supporters are aware of both Hillary's pros/cons and can embrace them without being blinded 100% by either of them. Meanwhile, Obamamaniacs are completely obsessed with his apparent "pros" (many of which I don't even think are good) and have ZERO willingness to hear any of Obama's many "cons".
Disfranchised
02-29-2008, 10:38 PM
So, what do you all think of this ad? My cousin, who voted for Hillary, sees it as "negative" and "controversial" and seems all too willing to believe whatever the media tells her about the ad. *Sigh*
I've now watched the ad several times. I don't have a problem with it. I don't know -- am I too pro-Hillary to see a downside to it?
Here's what I think is a very powerful video from today -- more on the same theme -- from Hillary's visit to Waco, TX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRfGZjPrrk&feature=user
I would say thank your cousin for her vote and trusting Hillary to do the right thing. Then remind her that we are at war with our troops in places they are not wanted and we want to bring home which means if it is not done correctly we probably will suffer a lot more casualties and as a result who ever the next president would be will get calls at the time we are all sleep comfortably in our bed. And you can tell her I said I rather to have Hillary to get the call and discuss it will Bill than Obama and discuss it with Michelle.
And you can tell her I said I rather to have Hillary to get the call and discuss it will Bill than Obama and discuss it with Michelle.
Exactly!
Especially considering Michelle was not proud of her country until the Almighty One went for the presidency and managed to con votes from people! Ouch! :eek: Are they going to make decisions in the national interest? Or their own interests? I don't like to be so harsh, but these questions need to be asked and they have brought this criticism upon themselves through their own behavior!
Best that Hillary and Bill take those difficult calls, yes.
Brooke
02-29-2008, 11:30 PM
Dude, you guys, I stopped watching CNN right after the New Hampshire Primary when they refused to call it for Hillary after MSNBC and FOX News had. I was done. I stick to MSNBC, they've gotten caught up in the "Obama Media Orgy" too but they're not as bad as CNN. I used to be addicted to CNN too and I stopped watching them for nearly two months now.
I got that Hillary Responders thing to post on the CNN blogs. I had something posted and then I thought 'You know what? This isn't worth it, they're not going to publish it' So I stopped.
I think the last blog I posted on was the People.com blog attached to the article about Hillary's Tyra Banks interview where there were 57 pages dedicated to people debating and trashing the Clinton's marriage. And I think I spent at least 10 of them defending it!! LOL. I got kinda caught up in it and I've always been probably the biggest Bill and Hillary "shipper" you'll find so I just went nuts on the board, posting every other second.
johnny51981
03-01-2008, 12:38 AM
I saw the new ad this morning on the Today Show...and I didn't see anything that was to work off of people's fear. I saw two children sleeping, a mother going to check on them and Hillary still working in her rightful position as President of the United States. Showing that she is committed to the job, no matter what time of the day.
SwiftFox
03-01-2008, 01:11 AM
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I think the last blog I posted on was the People.com blog attached to the article about Hillary's Tyra Banks interview where there were 57 pages dedicated to people debating and trashing the Clinton's marriage. And I think I spent at least 10 of them defending it!! LOL. I got kinda caught up in it and I've always been probably the biggest Bill and Hillary "shipper" you'll find so I just went nuts on the board, posting every other second.
Great defending!! This is the kind of passion which helps win elections:)
"Clinton & Obama Spar Over Texas Airwaves"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/democrats/index.html
"Clinton Aide Defends New Video"
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/29/todd.swing.vote.cnn
I think all this hysteria from Obama and the media about this ad is an absolute joke...How desperate they are to bring negative attention to Clinton. It's really getting boring now. First it made me angry, not it's just completely tedious and monotonous!
SwiftFox
03-01-2008, 03:13 AM
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Yeah, and I can't tell you how utterly sick I am of Obama promulgating the myth that he was the "only one" (making it sound like he was the only one on the planet) against the war in Iraq. I wonder if he even knows whether he was for or against it. He just does whatever he thinks will benefit him politically, i.e. speaking at the anti-war rally. I feel like screaming from the rooftops everywhere: "Obama didn't vote against the war and admits he's not sure how he would have voted had he been in the U.S. Senate in 2002."
I hear ya! His Iraq war position is completely lacking in credibility as he DIDN'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE!!! Not sure if you have seen this video below, but check it out:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=366
Valencia
03-01-2008, 04:26 AM
I found this in the comments section to the "For The Record: Hillary Clinton" article at cbs.com and found it not only amusing but reflects my own lack of trust in Obama:
Come on, the guy didn't even know that Al Qeada was already in Irak.
GoHillary
03-01-2008, 10:59 AM
First off, thank your cousin for voting for Hillary!
Personally, I think the ad is fine. It's not a happy go lucky ad. Then again, usually a foreign crisis isn't along those lines. If anything, it's a very real ad and one that provokes a lot of thought.
I don't have kids. I'll never have kids. But, when I go to sleep at night and I have to worry about if we'll be around tomorrow to wake up to, I want Hillary Clinton there at 3a.m. in the morning to take care of us to ensure we're safe. I'll take John McCain in that position as well. But I will not trust Barack Obama in that position. By the time he reacted, we could be in trouble.
And thank you for sharing that video. She really makes such a valid points in it!
Yeah, Obama will have to see what everyone else says first before he can say (plagerize) or do anything, but then again, based on his voting record, he would probably either vote Present, or just not vote at all during the crisis, his inability to think for himself, or to make a decision is what scares me most about him.
I like Hillary's quote on this issue (Fort Worth, Texas, March 1st):
"My opponent and I are in an important debate about national security - and which one of us is best prepared to take charge as Commander-in-Chief. He calls that fear-mongering. Well, I dont think Texans scare that easy. We know we have a job to do - to end the war in Iraq and win the war in Afghanistan. When my opponent says its fear-mongering to talk about who is ready to protect America, I say: If you cant have that debate with me, how can you have it with John McCain?"
YOU TELL HIM HILLARY!
skc1976
03-01-2008, 10:27 PM
You know what really irks me in relation to this? While he doesn't like her "Children" ad, he came out with his very own version of it, copying some of the images and words of hers and then adding in his own. Now he's turned his ads into the same way he comes up with his speeches. Takes someone else's ideas and words and adds a little tweak and all them his own!
You know what really irks me in relation to this? While he doesn't like her "Children" ad, he came out with his very own version of it, copying some of the images and words of hers and then adding in his own. Now he's turned his ads into the same way he comes up with his speeches. Takes someone else's ideas and words and adds a little tweak and all them his own!
2 WORDS: Plagiarist. Hypocrit.
skc1976
03-01-2008, 10:38 PM
2 WORDS: Plagiarist. Hypocrit.
Do you have permission to use those words? LOL ;) :p
Do you have permission to use those words? LOL ;) :p
Indeed I do! :)
RAFREE
03-02-2008, 02:20 AM
Obama complains and says he "hasn't whined about it" give me a break!! He can't even take a regular political ad without having a hissy fit and making a "so there!" response ad!!
No other politician I've ever seen has had his own press conference statement over another politicians ad on t.v.!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never seen such a big baby in my life.
Obama complains and says he "hasn't whined about it" give me a break!! He can't even take a regular political ad without having a hissy fit and making a "so there!" response ad!!
No other politician I've ever seen has had his own press conference statement over another politicians ad on t.v.!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never seen such a big baby in my life.
ONE WORD FOR HIM: HYPOCRIT!
skc1976
03-02-2008, 02:48 PM
Obama complains and says he "hasn't whined about it" give me a break!! He can't even take a regular political ad without having a hissy fit and making a "so there!" response ad!!
No other politician I've ever seen has had his own press conference statement over another politicians ad on t.v.!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never seen such a big baby in my life.
Just more evidence that what he says and does is not meant for him to follow as well. It's easy for him to judge, but not act upon it himself.
Shelley
03-03-2008, 06:08 AM
What gets to me about their comment is the lesson it brings that if you have only one point in your favor, all you need to do is say it enough times, and it will become bigger and bigger each time you say it.
As to this horrible piece of bad judgement on her part that he seems to have got everyone around convince is a major difference between them, somebody needs to set the record on just low little difference that is.
First off, she has said--and even he probably believes it--that if she had been president she wouldn't have invaded Iraq. She would have had far more information. One report I read that was for the most part negative toward her, nonetheless said that Rice had assured her that the problems would most likely be solved diplomatically, but that he needed the authorization in order to so to speak put teeth behind the negotiations. In other words, she trusted that it was extremely unlikely that there would actually be an invasion. Rice just wanted to be able to say that the authorization had been given in order to frighten the Iraqis into allowing the investigators in.
As to his side of it, as it has been pointed out by many Clinton supporters, but never seems to hit the mainstream media, he admitted himself that he doesn't know what he would have known if he had been in the senate at the time. He's not some kind of pacifist either. He never says the war is criminal or wrong, just dumb.
I am greatly uncomfortable with people who think they are smarter than everyone else. I've met several people like that in leadership positions at a much lower level. They are a real nuisance, because they are totally incapable of asking for help or delegating. I've seen people like that ruin clubs. We don't need that sort of person as president of the US.
He doesn't like it because he doesn't give a crap about children's welfare!
Bumping this following the SNL spoof of the 3am video!
Patsy
03-09-2008, 01:53 PM
So, what do you all think of this ad? My cousin, who voted for Hillary, sees it as "negative" and "controversial" and seems all too willing to believe whatever the media tells her about the ad. *Sigh*
I've now watched the ad several times. I don't have a problem with it. I don't know -- am I too pro-Hillary to see a downside to it?
Here's what I think is a very powerful video from today -- more on the same theme -- from Hillary's visit to Waco, TX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRfGZjPrrk&feature=user
The purpose of the ad was not to play on people's fears, it was to bring home the point that this is a very serious position these two individuals are campaigning for and the reality that crises do occur. It merely asked whom you would prefer to handle those crises.
The MSM turned into a negative ad.
I think it gave people pause and got them to think on a more cerebral level than a visceral one.
It was a very good ad that resonated with many voters. It was not meant to intimidate or scare people. It also reminded people that the tone of the General Election will include National Security in heavy doses.
Robin Orlowski
03-15-2008, 12:04 PM
He thinks that he's important. But he doesn't understand that the Bush administration mislead the U.S. Senate---along with the rest of the country.
It wasn't like Hillary unilatterally decided that invading Iraq would be fun. She based her vote on the security information which was given in testimony, the testimony gennuinely assumed to be true by the Senate. Whether they disagreed with the 'true' testimony was a different story.
And as far as I know, an IL state senator did not have access to that same information of any quality at that same time. So he's just as empty as Bush when it comes to rhetoric.
I was fired from a job by people who had problems delegating. And you're right, control freaks do drive an organization into the ground. The mission statement falls by the wayside in order to maintain their power politics. So the problem gets unaddressed and the organization which is supposed to address that problem itself collapses. YIKES!!
Several of the people wanting to 'make a difference' and new to organizing--in addition to our experienced friends--got taken in by his slick words. I do not want America collapsing, and am going to fight to protect it.
I escaped from my earlier dysfunctional sittuation and feel that I have recovered. But I wish I knew how to rescue everybody from Obama's clutches before it was too late. Someday I'm sure this will make the script to a really awesome action movie like McCarthy's rampage did for "Good Night and Good Luck" but right now, things feel really surreal.
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