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spwll08
08-06-2009, 11:15 PM
via The Politicizer (http://thepoliticizer.com/2009/08/01/walk-pro-life-and-pro-choice-in-moderation/):

Landmark legislation on abortion was introduced into the House of Representatives in July. Sponsored by pro-life Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, the “Preventing Unintended Pregnancies, Reducing the Need for Abortion, and Supporting Parents Act (HR 3312)” has been drafted by both pro-life and pro-choice groups and brings a much-needed moderate voice to the abortion debate. It is also exactly the sort of bipartisan spirit that America voted for in 2008 but never received.

Unlike many other bills related to abortion, HR3312 does not intend to restrict or expand the availability of abortions; rather, it includes approaches from both sides of the issue. Traditionally, pro-choice advocates have favored preventative efforts (contraception) whereas pro-life groups tend to support post-facto solutions (adoption), and Congressman Ryan’s legislation bridges the chasm between the two. HR3312 includes funding for comprehensive teen pregnancy prevention (including sex education that discusses both contraceptive methods and abstinence), improvements to maternity and postpartum care, grants for adoption programs (including a national adoption information campaign), and increased support for new parents. It is a pragmatic legislation that wisely recognizes the merits of realistic preventative measures as well as those of adoption.

Tim Ryan’s colleagues, however, have not recognized it as such. Because of his support of abortion reduction, he was forcibly removed from his position on the national advisory board for the Democrats for Life of America, a capacity in which he has served for the last four years. According to DFLA executive director Kristen Day, the Ohio Democrat’s willingness to compromise and offer moderate, pragmatic solutions to the tragedy of abortion means that “he has turned his back on the [pro-life] community.”

Such is the plight of the moderate. To the fringes of the political spectrum, “compromise” is a four-letter word reserved for politicians without “principles.” Instead of meaning “to find or follow a way between extremes; to bind by mutual agreement” as it does in the dictionary, political compromise is frequently equated to abandoning one’s principles. Moderates are often victims of such accusations. Being a moderate, however, doesn’t necessarily mean that one holds views that are in the exact center of the political compass; rather, that one understands the necessity for civil dialogue between distant ideologies and seeks to “moderate” between them. This principle – that compromise is crucial to sound public policy – is shared by moderates and often forgotten by the fringes.

As a moderate, I find being constantly attacked by the other ideologies exhausting. The essence of being a moderate is to bring people together, find similarities in their viewpoints and thus create more effective and agreeable solutions to issues, and while that sounds the opposite of threatening to me, apparently it worries the fringes quite a bit. Here is Tim Ryan actually trying to do something about abortion - no, it isn't going to be illegal anytime soon, but everyone can agree that abortion is tragic. Yet decreasing the number of abortions through education is apparently unacceptable to Democrats for Life. Moderates are truly a struggling breed, and for the sake of our democracy, this reality truly saddens me.

VotingHillary
08-06-2009, 11:22 PM
It is a pragmatic legislation that wisely recognizes the merits of realistic preventative measures as well as those of adoption.

Wow, I think hell just froze over....a pragmatic piece of legislation. Kudos to this Congressman.

And welcome to the board. What a great way to start. :thumbsup:

spwll08
08-06-2009, 11:27 PM
Thank you for the welcome! Perhaps that's what the objection to his bill is - it would actually put us well on track to SOLVE a problem. Alas, apparently that is taboo on Capitol Hill these days.

Wyoming Dem
08-06-2009, 11:30 PM
Get's a "High Five" from me...I never think anyone is "Pro Abortion" and that is a huge difference than "Pro Choice". And as an adopted child, I applaud any efforts to make the process easier and to include ALL genders, sexual persuasions, races and religeon's as potential adoptive parents. Add this country needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern sexual age and spend more money and provide more resources to stop these children from having children and/or having numerous abortions. There is such a great variety of cheap, effective birth control and somehow, we have to stop these adolescents from this destructive and potentially dangerous behavior.

Welcome to the forum. As VH said, a great first post.

spwll08
08-06-2009, 11:34 PM
Wyoming Dem, amen. I absolutely agree. It amazes me how pro-choice groups and pro-life groups find it more conductive to throw ad hominem attacks at each other rather realize that decreasing abortions helps everyone - mothers, children, families.

I'm glad people agree with what I'm saying! Whew. Such a relief!

joeysky18
08-06-2009, 11:42 PM
everyone can agree that abortion is tragic.

I agree. I think all the cases of abortion will always involve tragic in many level to many parties. However, I think the use of the abortion as one of the methods for birth control is the most tragic of all.

But I also think blindly-anti-abortion is also equally tragic as in many cases the abortion is the only humane choice for the mother.

I never understand why it is so hard to find a middle way between these 2 extremes.

Wyoming Dem
08-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Wyoming Dem, amen. I absolutely agree. It amazes me how pro-choice groups and pro-life groups find it more conductive to throw ad hominem attacks at each other rather realize that decreasing abortions helps everyone - mothers, children, families.

I'm glad people agree with what I'm saying! Whew. Such a relief!
And I see you dwell within the "Lion's Den" of DC? Oh my...You are a braver sole than I.
If I had to live where all the morons congregate and where more bad is done for the "good of the people" I would become psychotic...might already be there but at least I am manageable! I think most of us here try to be pretty middle-of-the-road and for crimey sake...no one I know is in favor of abortion per se...most just want women to have a choice..simple as that. Jeeze...get rid of all the inflammatory rhetoric on both sides and it seems pretty simple...

Wyoming Dem
08-06-2009, 11:45 PM
I agree. I think all the cases of abortion will always involve tragic in many level to many parties. However, I think the use of the abortion as one of the methods for birth control is the most tragic of all.

But I also think blindly-anti-abortion is also equally tragic as in many cases the abortion is the only humane choice for the mother.

I never understand why it is so hard to find a middle way between these 2 extremes.
Joey Darlin'...Always glad to hear from you! And I agree...abortion should never be used as birth control because in this day and age, there are numerous cheap, safe and effect methods that should have rendered most abortions unecessary but somehow, have not.

joeysky18
08-06-2009, 11:51 PM
Joey Darlin'...Always glad to hear from you!

And I can see that you are still kick and screaming especially in the other therad about protest. :laughing: That's the WD I know. :thumbsup:


And I agree...abortion should never be used as birth control because in this day and age, there are numerous cheap, safe and effect methods that should have rendered most abortions unecessary but somehow, have not.

Just irresposible. Not using their brains. When face with the consequence, they would just pick the easy way out.

Meg
08-07-2009, 12:03 AM
via The Politicizer (http://thepoliticizer.com/2009/08/01/walk-pro-life-and-pro-choice-in-moderation/):

I like this. I personally would support this! =D>

Thanks for posting this! :)>-

CGP
08-07-2009, 12:33 AM
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http://twitter.com/MicheleWalk

Suzan
08-07-2009, 01:03 AM
Tim Ryan’s colleagues, however, have not recognized it as such. Because of his support of abortion reduction, he was forcibly removed from his position on the national advisory board for the Democrats for Life of America, a capacity in which he has served for the last four years. According to DFLA executive director Kristen Day, the Ohio Democrat’s willingness to compromise and offer moderate, pragmatic solutions to the tragedy of abortion means that “he has turned his back on the [pro-life] community.”

What a shame that someone who's trying to build a bridge to bring two sides together gets thrown off the bridge by his own side because he didn't build it right.

I agree with everything you're saying about the plight of being a moderate. I hope Tim Ryan carries on with his mission. It's a good one.

foxyladi
08-07-2009, 10:00 AM
Wow, I think hell just froze over....a pragmatic piece of legislation. Kudos to this Congressman.

And welcome to the board. What a great way to start. :thumbsup:

hillarystamp!

spwll08
08-07-2009, 11:35 AM
Thanks everyone! Now let's hope he can still push through that bill.

mavfin
08-09-2009, 08:48 PM
I agree. I think all the cases of abortion will always involve tragic in many level to many parties. However, I think the use of the abortion as one of the methods for birth control is the most tragic of all.

But I also think blindly-anti-abortion is also equally tragic as in many cases the abortion is the only humane choice for the mother.

I never understand why it is so hard to find a middle way between these 2 extremes.

I never understood that either. You pretty much hit my stance exactly. No, it shouldn't be illegal, because there are times that it *has* to be a choice, but, I really dislike using it for birth control in the "Oh, I didn't use protection, I guess I can just get an abortion" mode. Seems callous to me.

As far as the plight of a moderate, I know what he means. I get attacked on this board as being too conservative by some, but I'm not (socially) conservative enough for a lot of conservative forums.

foxyladi
08-10-2009, 12:36 PM
Wow, I think hell just froze over....a pragmatic piece of legislation. Kudos to this Congressman.

And welcome to the board. What a great way to start. :thumbsup:

hillarystamp!:e4: