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CGP
08-08-2009, 12:49 PM
READ IN FULL @ THE AGE (http://www.theage.com.au/world/the-week-that-was-the-clinton-show-20090808-edmm.html)


IT'S BEEN 17 years since Bill and Hillary Clinton offered themselves up to American voters as a two-for-one package deal, and began adjusting notions of the role of the personal and the political in public life.

But in all those years - his scandals, her pillorying by the right, his jet-setting for the Clinton Global Initiative, her slog as a presidential candidate - it's hard to think of a week when the partnership worked as expertly as it did in the rescue of two journalists from North Korea.

Here was Hillary Clinton, embarking on a tour of Africa as Secretary of State, while her husband, the former president, successfully carried off an ultra-sensitive mission to one of the world's most recalcitrant regimes. It's an even more impressive piece of choreography given the other outsize political figures - each with their own personal histories with the Clintons - involved in last week's homecoming of the journalists Euna Lee and Laura Ling.

There was Barack Obama, of course, who had brawled with both Clintons during the Democratic primaries. Mr Obama also had to weigh Mr Clinton's history of difficulties in sticking to a script, knowing that a mis-step from the former president could expose him to attack from the right, which is opposed to dealings with North Korea.

Then there was Al Gore, the journalists' employer as head of Current TV, who had to bury his resentments that Mr Clinton's affairs in the White House may have cost him the presidency.

For many, the seemingly flawless execution of the plan to free the two journalists, who had been sentenced to 12 years' jail for straying into North Korean territory, demolished the notion that, in choosing his former rival as secretary of state, Mr Obama was getting not so much a ''twofer'' as trouble.

In the conventional wisdom of six months ago, the former president would not be able to resist meddling at the State Department or the White House, and his network of contacts at the Clinton Global Initiative could potentially embarrass Mr Obama.

''This is a very effective rejoinder to anyone who still had questions about the wisdom and absolute authority of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State,'' said Ann Lewis, an adviser to Mrs Clinton during her run for the White House.

Steve Clemons of the New America Foundation agreed: ''The Obama people always saw Bill as more of a threat than Hillary,'' he said. ''But now if I were Obama I'd say: great, let's use Bill for other things.''

Not everyone was convinced. In The New York Times, Maureen Dowd saw the episode as one more instance of Mr Clinton hogging the spotlight, shoving aside Mr Obama and his own wife. ''Just as Hillary muscled her way back into the spotlight, moving past her broken elbow and grabbing the focus from her bevy of peacock envoys, she was blown off the radar screen again by an even more powerful envoy: the one she lives with,'' Dowd wrote.

But she conceded that Mr Clinton turned in a fine performance. The man accused of damaging his wife's run for the White House by indulging in angry rants against Mr Obama and the media, in public at least kept his personal views in check.




The week's events also confounded those who suggest Mrs Clinton had been shunted aside at the State Department - shut out of Mr Obama's inner circle because of lingering animosities and a new management structure that hived off hotspots such as the Middle East and Afghanistan to special envoys who report to the President as well as the Secretary of State.

Behind the scenes, Mrs Clinton was busy building relationships at the State Department and the White House. Unlike Condoleezza Rice, she ventured regularly out of her seventh-floor offices to meet desk officers. She has weekly one-on-one meetings with Mr Obama, though there are still reports of leftover animosities between their personal staff.

She also began to put out her own foreign policy message, often playing the bad cop to Mr Obama's more conciliatory statements. She waded into a spat with North Korea, saying its leadership was behaving like ''small children and unruly teenagers''.

North Korea issued a statement saying: ''Sometimes she looks like a primary school girl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping.''

Mrs Clinton apparently set aside those exchanges to authorise her husband's mission. Last week's triumph could now give her a chance to put her own stamp on foreign policy.

hobbitt
08-08-2009, 02:12 PM
Amazing. An entire two-page article which did not mention "the Clinton Machine" or a White House intern, and which did not use the word "divisive."

Wyoming Dem
08-08-2009, 02:22 PM
And yet here we set, governed by a moron and a pack of self-serving imbeciles in Congress. A country where experience counts for nothing and "hope & change" are words of wisdom from the ages. Obama is so far below the Clinton's in both stature, experience, credibility and intellect (and that's right..."Rhodes Scholar" vs "Harvard Do Nothing" = no contest.) He does not even belong in the same hemisphere. And that Hillary CLinton could do anything to make this pathetic excuse for a POTUS look better pisses me off to no extent. SHe was, is and always will be better for this country and our place on the international stage than THE GUY who is "almost" everything but never really anything that matters.

Suzan
08-08-2009, 02:36 PM
Amazing. An entire two-page article which did not mention "the Clinton Machine" or a White House intern, and which did not use the word "divisive."

Or "polarizing"! This could be a first.

The author should win a Pulitzer for that alone--and also because she's got a great first name. ;)

smiledr
08-08-2009, 02:43 PM
Or "polarizing"! This could be a first.



=D>=D>

hillary4change
08-08-2009, 03:48 PM
The far left says that obama's Harvard trumps Palin's Univ. of Idaho (I think it's Idaho) But they won't ever use the same "logic" when it comes to ..."Rhodes Scholar" vs "Harvard Do Nothing" = no contest It only works when you are trying to marginalize a woman!

Wyoming Dem
08-08-2009, 03:59 PM
The far left says that obama's Harvard trumps Palin's Univ. of Idaho (I think it's Idaho) But they won't ever use the same "logic" when it comes to It only works when you are trying to marginalize a woman!
And as we STILL don't know how Obama paid for college (and we know he did not "pay" personally....) it is easier to condem someone who perhaps, could not afford an Ivy League Education. And if the college attended is the SOLE CRITERIA on which the bona fides of a politician are graded, then that says something very bad about this country and besides....Obama's Haavaard education NEVER GOT HIM REAL JOB.:rotfl:

NoFear
08-08-2009, 04:21 PM
Obama's Haavaard education NEVER GOT HIM REAL JOB.:rotfl:

I guess being President of the USA isn't a real job

Ikasu
08-08-2009, 04:22 PM
The far left says that obama's Harvard trumps Palin's Univ. of Idaho (I think it's Idaho) But they won't ever use the same "logic" when it comes to It only works when you are trying to marginalize a woman!

It took Palin 6 schools and 6 years to receive a journalism degree from Idaho. So it's fair to say that Obama's education (Columbia Undergrad + Harvard Law School) trumps Palin's education. In fact, it's not even close.

Ikasu
08-08-2009, 04:23 PM
And yet here we set, governed by a moron and a pack of self-serving imbeciles in Congress. A country where experience counts for nothing and "hope & change" are words of wisdom from the ages. Obama is so far below the Clinton's in both stature, experience, credibility and intellect (and that's right..."Rhodes Scholar" vs "Harvard Do Nothing" = no contest.) He does not even belong in the same hemisphere. And that Hillary CLinton could do anything to make this pathetic excuse for a POTUS look better pisses me off to no extent. SHe was, is and always will be better for this country and our place on the international stage than THE GUY who is "almost" everything but never really anything that matters.

I thought it was "Drug Taking Harvard Affirmative Action Free Loader". Are you holding back WyomingDem?

Brooke
08-08-2009, 04:28 PM
who had to bury his resentments that Mr Clinton's affairs in the White House may have cost him the presidency.

Um, I guess I'm the only one who noticed this. "Affairs" plural? Like as in, more than one in the White House? The author seems to be illuding that there was more than one. Oh, I guess she's referring to Kathleen Willy and Juanita Broderick who the right has continuously tried to convince us were also included. When both women have repeatedly denied any such accusation.

Maybe I'm nitpicky, but that really angers me.

Wyoming Dem
08-08-2009, 04:52 PM
I thought it was "Drug Taking Harvard Affirmative Action Free Loader". Are you holding back WyomingDem?
I passed on the "drugs" it's just too easy (and I grew up in the '60's ya know...) and I have no idea if his was an "affirmative action" admission or not AS HE WON'T RELEASE HIS COLLEGE RECORDS but the place you are an alumnus of should have no bearing on either your intellect or your abilities. We place entirely too much "panache" on college attended and I speak as someone who attended a very fine school. I have friends that have gone to Ivy schools and one I can think of one in particular who is a moron and has about as much common sense as a sponge. And in my opinion, both Obama and his wife were a waste of placement because other than campaigning and the ever-popular, community organizing, his Harvard education never seemed to allow him to get a real job...Graduate...glad-hand, solicit donations, glad hand, kiss a few babies, vote "present", gland-hand, solicit more donations, be President. Were I an employer I would be noticing that albeit the Editor of Harvard Law Journal, he never wrote an article or editorial, and the only thing he ever wrote was an autobiography that both those on the left and those on the right have said is filled with misconceptions, make-believe and outright lies, he was never a tenured Professor, he barely showed up for his State job and left his Federal job to campaign for POTUS from about day three . That is a very skimpy resume or curriculum vitae by anybodies standards. Hey, I can't make this stuff up and it's not my fault the man is so sadly lacking that he becomes an easy target.

Ikasu
08-08-2009, 04:58 PM
I passed on the "drugs" it's just too easy (and I grew up in the '60's ya know...) and I have no idea if his was an "affirmative action" admission or not AS HE WON'T RELEASE HIS COLLEGE RECORDS but the place you are an alumnus of should have no bearing on either your intellect or your abilities. We place entirely too much "panache" on college attended and I speak as someone who attended a very fine school. I have friends that have gone to Ivy schools and one I can think of one in particular who is a moron and has about as much common sense as a sponge. And in my opinion, both Obama and his wife were a waste of placement because other than campaigning and the ever-popular, community organizing, his Harvard education never seemed to allow him to get a real job...Graduate...glad-hand, solicit donations, glad hand, kiss a few babies, vote "present", gland-hand, solicit more donations, be President. Were I an employer I would be noticing that albeit the Editor of Harvard Law Journal, he never wrote an article or editorial, and the only thing he ever wrote was an autobiography that both those on the left and those on the right have said is filled with misconceptions, make-believe and outright lies, he was never a tenured Professor, he barely showed up for his State job and left his Federal job to campaign for POTUS from about day three . That is a very skimpy resume or curriculum vitae by anybodies standards. Hey, I can't make this stuff up and it's not my fault the man is so sadly lacking that he becomes an easy target.

These were criticisms I made during the primary. But at this point, I don't care anymore. He's the president now. Judge his presidency, not what he did as a student in the 80's.

Spang
08-08-2009, 05:32 PM
It only works when you are trying to marginalize a woman!

What if we're not trying to marginalize a woman? What if we're merely trying to marginalize a politician who happens to be a woman? Sarah Palin is a politician and occasionally will be treated like one.

CGP
08-08-2009, 06:11 PM
Back on the original topic...

YouTube - Successful Clintons' Trip - Bloomberg

Suzan
08-08-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm not a Margaret Carlson fan, but she's right that Bill gave absolutely no more than he had to give to bring the journalists back. He played it just right. I've heard that "twofer" comment repeatedly, but of course, some are suggesting that Hill and Bill teamed up to upstage Obama. :-bd

foxyladi
08-08-2009, 06:33 PM
:thumbsup:**==for a successful trip.:thumbsup:

Laura Cereta
08-08-2009, 06:35 PM
''This is a very effective rejoinder to anyone who still had questions about the wisdom and absolute authority of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State,'' said Ann Lewis, an adviser to Mrs Clinton during her run for the White House.

hillarystamp!

foxyladi
08-08-2009, 08:04 PM
Amazing. An entire two-page article which did not mention "the Clinton Machine" or a White House intern, and which did not use the word "divisive."

surprised ?very much