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smiledr
08-09-2009, 06:26 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html


Undue Influence
The House Bill Skews End-of-Life Counsel
By Charles Lane

Saturday, August 8, 2009

About a third of Americans have living wills or advance-care directives expressing their wishes for end-of-life treatment. When seniors who don't have them arrive in a hospital terminally ill and incapacitated, families and medical workers wrestle with uncertainty -- while life-prolonging machinery runs, often at Medicare's expense. This has consequences for families and for the federal budget.

Enter Section 1233 of the health-care bill drafted in the Democratic-led House, which would pay doctors to give Medicare patients end-of-life counseling every five years -- or sooner if the patient gets a terminal diagnosis.

On the far right, this is being portrayed as a plan to force everyone over 65 to sign his or her own death warrant. That's rubbish. Federal law already bars Medicare from paying for services "the purpose of which is to cause, or assist in causing," suicide, euthanasia or mercy killing. Nothing in Section 1233 would change that.

Still, I was not reassured to read in an Aug. 1 Post article that "Democratic strategists" are "hesitant to give extra attention to the issue by refuting the inaccuracies, but they worry that it will further agitate already-skeptical seniors."

If Section 1233 is innocuous, why would "strategists" want to tip-toe around the subject?

Perhaps because, at least as I read it, Section 1233 is not totally innocuous.


Until now, federal law has encouraged end-of-life planning -- gently. In 1990, Congress required health-care institutions (not individual doctors) to give new patients written notice of their rights to make living wills, advance directives and the like -- but also required them to treat patients regardless of whether they have such documents.

The 1997 ban on assisted-suicide support specifically allowed doctors to honor advance directives. And last year, Congress told doctors to offer a brief chat on end-of-life documents to consenting patients during their initial "Welcome to Medicare" physical exam. That mandate took effect this year.

Section 1233, however, addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones. Supporters protest that they're just trying to facilitate choice -- even if patients opt for expensive life-prolonging care. I think they protest too much: If it's all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what's it doing in a measure to "bend the curve" on health-care costs?

Though not mandatory, as some on the right have claimed, the consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren't quite "purely voluntary," as Rep. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) asserts. To me, "purely voluntary" means "not unless the patient requests one." Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist.

Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority. Once they're in the meeting, the bill does permit "formulation" of a plug-pulling order right then and there. So when Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) denies that Section 1233 would "place senior citizens in situations where they feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign," I don't think he's being realistic.

What's more, Section 1233 dictates, at some length, the content of the consultation. The doctor "shall" discuss "advanced care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to"; "an explanation of . . . living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses" (even though these are legal, not medical, instruments); and "a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families." The doctor "shall" explain that Medicare pays for hospice care (hint, hint).

Admittedly, this script is vague and possibly unenforceable. What are "key questions"? Who belongs on "a list" of helpful "resources"? The Roman Catholic Church? Jack Kevorkian?

Ideally, the delicate decisions about how to manage life's end would be made in a setting that is neutral in both appearance and fact. Yes, it's good to have a doctor's perspective. But Section 1233 goes beyond facilitating doctor input to preferring it. Indeed, the measure would have an interested party -- the government -- recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills, hospice care and their associated providers, professions and organizations. You don't have to be a right-wing wacko to question that approach.

As it happens, I have a living will and a durable power of attorney for health care. I'm glad I do. I drew them up based on publicly available medical information, in consultation with my family and a lawyer. No authority figure got paid by federal bean-counters to influence me. I have a hunch I'm not the only one who would rather do it that way.

CGP
08-09-2009, 06:35 PM
Yet more fear-mongering by the author of this article!

Focus on:


Though not mandatory...

^ Ok.


Patients may refuse without penalty...

^ Ok.


No authority figure got paid by federal bean-counters to influence me. I have a hunch I'm not the only one who would rather do it that way.

^ Then keep doing it that way, Charles. No-one will be stopping you.

His argument is completely without substance & is rooted in fear/propaganda/misinformation.

smiledr
08-09-2009, 06:39 PM
I don't think this is fear-mongering. I think this is a valid concern.

Though not mandatory, as some on the right have claimed, the consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren't quite "purely voluntary," as Rep. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) asserts. To me, "purely voluntary" means "not unless the patient requests one." Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist.
Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority. Once they're in the meeting, the bill does permit "formulation" of a plug-pulling order right then and there. So when Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) denies that Section 1233 would "place senior citizens in situations where they feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign," I don't think he's being realistic.

CGP
08-09-2009, 06:42 PM
I don't think this is fear-mongering. I think this is a valid concern.

If you are concerned about this part:


Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist.


Then you should be 100% suspicious of all for-profit healthcare because what is driving such health care: an incentive - money - profit.

There needs to be consistency in the criticism of these approaches.

foxyladi
08-09-2009, 06:53 PM
i have a living will.i recommend everyone have one.
if Terry Schaivo had.. that story would have ended differently

smiledr
08-09-2009, 07:01 PM
If you are concerned about this part:



Then you should be 100% suspicious of all for-profit healthcare because what is driving such health care: an incentive - money - profit.

There needs to be consistency in the criticism of these approaches.

I will and have admited that our current system needs reform, but I still have choices. I fear that over-time my choices will diminish as insurance companies are forced to compete with private.

hillary4change
08-09-2009, 08:48 PM
If the intent is not as stated then why are the dems. not willing to dispute it?

Sorry CGP, you know how I feel about them, no trust there what so ever. But having said that they earned it.

I have written down the section so I can read it in its entirety.

PA_Voter
08-10-2009, 01:06 AM
His argument is completely without substance & is rooted in fear/propaganda/misinformation.

CGP, I'm going to strongly disagree with you on the "fear/propaganda/misinformation". Anyone can be easily influenced for a host of reasons which is why I'm strongly against "Card Check", caucuses, etc.

As an example, people feel pressured by their spouses, employers, etc. in just giving blood. The Red Cross puts you through a series of questions of which the bottom line question basically asks, "Do you want us to use the blood you're donating today?". As long as your blood drop passes the iron level, they take it even though you may have answered "don't use it". So why do they go through this? I had to ask because I thought it was a big waste of everyone's time. However, it's because people are PRESSURED by external forces in donating and if the donor knows there's something wrong but doesn't want the ones doing the pressuring to know, they simply go through the motions and the the Red Cross tosses the donation. This keeps the donors privacy as well as our blood supply safe.

So someone being interviewed by a "white coat", or one that has family members with them, just may feel pressure to go along with the idea being pushed at them whether they really would want it or not.

CGP
08-10-2009, 02:00 AM
Surprise, surprise, Anne Coulter weighs in...Geraldo is rightly not impressed with what she has to say...

Ann Coulter: "Obama's Plan Encourages Assisted Suicide For Elderly"

CGP
08-10-2009, 02:04 AM
So someone being interviewed by a "white coat", or one that has family members with them, just may feel pressure to go along with the idea being pushed at them whether they really would want it or not.

Yes, but that already applies here and now. Doctors are often asking patients who are very ill - & relatives of such patients (especially of older patients) - how "aggressive" they would like their treatment to be, and other types of questions associated with end-of-life issues.

TheTaoOfBill
08-10-2009, 02:07 AM
Surprise, surprise, Anne Coulter weighs in...Geraldo is rightly not impressed with what she has to say...

Ann Coulter: "Obama's Plan Encourages Assisted Suicide For Elderly" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvy9YtKmMc)

Ann Coulter's monologues encourage unassisted suicide.

jlynne
08-10-2009, 02:09 AM
It's easy to underestimate the influence that a trusted doctor (or nurse) can have on a patient, especially one that is already vulnerable. It's also unrealistic to ask a doctor to explain to a patient his or her legal rights and the documents necessary to ensure that their wishes are followed. That doesn't mean that such counseling shouldn't be available to patients or that Medicare shouldn't pay for it. But it does mean that we need to be very, very careful about the rules for when it is appropriate and who initiates the meeting.

CGP
08-10-2009, 02:11 AM
It's easy to underestimate the influence that a trusted doctor (or nurse) can have on a patient, especially one that is already vulnerable. It's also unrealistic to ask a doctor to explain to a patient his or her legal rights and the documents necessary to ensure that their wishes are followed. That doesn't mean that such counseling shouldn't be available to patients or that Medicare shouldn't pay for it. But it does mean that we need to be very, very careful about the rules for when it is appropriate and who initiates the meeting.

Fair & balanced comments!

CGP
08-10-2009, 02:11 AM
Ann Coulter's monologues encourage unassisted suicide.

:rotfl:

foxyladi
08-10-2009, 11:13 AM
Ann Coulter's monologues encourage unassisted suicide.

or:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: