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VotingHillary
08-11-2009, 01:13 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26001.html

Ahead of his own town hall Tuesday, President Barack Obama sought to distance himself from charges by Democratic congressional leaders that boisterous health care dissent is "un-American," with his spokesman saying that the protests are a part of American life.

Yet Obama could be in for similar disruptions as he takes the health care road-show to Portsmouth, N.H., where both sides are gearing up for a vigorous session. But his spokesman pushed back against the comments by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer by saying that Obama is ready for whatever comes Tuesday.

"I think there's actually a pretty long tradition of people shouting at politicians in America. The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that's a part of the American tradition and he encourages that," Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said.

"Now, if you just want to come to a town hall so that you can disrupt and so that you can scream over another person, he doesn’t think that that's productive. And as a country, we've been able to make progress when people actually talk out what our problems are, not try to shout each other down," Burton said.

Pelosi and Hoyer wrote an op-ed in USA TODAY Monday where they said that an "ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue."

“Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades," they wrote.

During the recess, members of Congress have been met by angry protestors, and Democrats have sought to characterize the protestors as an organized fringe. Yet the White House is clearly trying to tamp down the rhetoric as Obama is set to have his first town hall of the August recess.

Two additional health care town halls are scheduled for the rest of the week and a White House spokesman said that Obama will offer a more detailed and more specific explanation of why he believes health reform must be done this year.

At a news conference to close a North American summit in Mexico Monday, Obama predicted that Congress will pass health reform this year. “We are having a vigorous debate in the United States and I think that's a healthy thing," Obama said. "I suspect that once we get into the fall and people look at the actual legislation that's being proposed, that more sensible and reasoned arguments will emerge, and we're going to get this passed."

Pelosi just doesn't get that she is dragging Obama down with her own personal posturing.

If he throws her under the bus, I can understand because she is throwing him in front of the train.

sadie
08-11-2009, 01:40 AM
I was all ready to give him thumbs up for this...but isn't he saying what Pelosi is saying, minus the name-calling (aka, the unAmerican comment)? I don't recall anti-war protesters being very quiet...yet I didn't hear Obama or Pelosi telling them to engage in healthy, non-shouting debate. In fact, at my friend's funeral, the protesters were anything but quiet. I understood what they were doing, I understood their message, and I understood their anger...but it all could have been expressed in a different (and more respectful) way. But, just as they were then, people are angry, they aren't getting answers, and tempers are going to continue to flare because of it. Nothing about that is un-American.

VotingHillary
08-11-2009, 01:56 AM
I was all ready to give him thumbs up for this...but isn't he saying what Pelosi is saying, minus the name-calling (aka, the unAmerican comment)? I don't recall anti-war protesters being very quiet...yet I didn't hear Obama or Pelosi telling them to engage in healthy, non-shouting debate. In fact, at my friend's funeral, the protesters were anything but quiet. I understood what they were doing, I understood their message, and I understood their anger...but it all could have been expressed in a different (and more respectful) way. But, just as they were then, people are angry, they aren't getting answers, and tempers are going to continue to flare because of it. Nothing about that is un-American.

There is one key difference..Obama didn't call those that disagreed Nazis or brown-shirts. Most of all, he didn't call them UNAMERICAN.

I credit Obama for distancing himself from Pelosi's comments instead of reinforcing them.

PA_Voter
08-11-2009, 02:01 AM
Isn't everyone who opposes the trillion dollar plan just supposed to zip it and get out of the way? And how many protesting this plan do you think will be able to get into the hall and actually ask any questions? Will they all be hand-picked like normal?

sadie
08-11-2009, 02:06 AM
There is one key difference..Obama didn't call those that disagreed Nazis or brown-shirts. Most of all, he didn't call them UNAMERICAN.

I credit Obama for distancing himself from Pelosi's comments instead of reinforcing them.

Right, he essentially said the same thing, but didn't resort to name-calling and other ineffective words, which I do appreciate. Wouldn't want to be Pelosi right about now.

VotingHillary
08-11-2009, 02:06 AM
Isn't everyone who opposes the trillion dollar plan just supposed to zip it and get out of the way? And how many protesting this plan do you think will be able to get into the hall and actually ask any questions? Will they all be hand-picked like normal?

I really don't know. I just wanted to give the POTUS credit when I thought he did something good.

I can't do the slam-at-all costs thing. That was what was done to Hillary.

PA_Voter
08-11-2009, 02:13 AM
I really don't know. I just wanted to give the POTUS credit when I thought he did something good.

I can't do the slam-at-all costs thing. That was what was done to Hillary.

I didn't think I was slamming.... Just paraphrasing what I thought just happened at his last "forum".....

VotingHillary
08-11-2009, 02:19 AM
I didn't think I was slamming.... Just paraphrasing what I thought just happened at his last "forum".....

We are good, PA Voter....I guess I was just trying to find a glimmer of common ground.

And I understand your comment about Obama's last forum...the shut up and get out of our way. I just got the sense that maybe he even realized, this just isn't the way to find consensus.

foxyladi
08-11-2009, 09:25 AM
Isn't everyone who opposes the trillion dollar plan just supposed to zip it and get out of the way? And how many protesting this plan do you think will be able to get into the hall and actually ask any questions? Will they all be hand-picked like normal?

hand picked for sure..

greenleaf
08-11-2009, 10:10 AM
Obama only looks like the good cop in comparison to Pelosi. The Dems are losing the battle for public opinion. The Dems may have the votes to pass the legislation as is, but the problems involved in foisting it on a resistant majority would be daunting. Political futures will likely be altered. It's time for a drastically new tone from the Democratic leadership.

foxyladi
08-11-2009, 10:17 AM
some people are voicing their disapproval of this health care plan.and for Nancy to call them un American is in my opinion wrong.

musgrrl
08-11-2009, 12:18 PM
It's about time he distance himself from her. Too bad he didn't realize that when he took office. He allowed her and the rest of the house to draft that wasteful stimulus bill that didn't have much stimulus at all. But Pelosi won't get the blame, he does. He needs to realize that she doesn't have his best interest at heart, just her own.

Folamix
08-11-2009, 12:56 PM
Obama only looks like the good cop in comparison to Pelosi. The Dems are losing the battle for public opinion. The Dems may have the votes to pass the legislation as is, but the problems involved in foisting it on a resistant majority would be daunting. Political futures will likely be altered. It's time for a drastically new tone from the Democratic leadership.

Yes he is still on the same side. You are right, the Dems can force this through but the repercussions may be more than they want to chance, especially when looking at relection prospects. There is a real possiblity that the Dems could lose the majority that they enjoy in Congress if they mishandle this. Pelosi and Hoyer needed to keep this in mind and not get lost in the arrogance of their majority.

Protest and freedom of speech is most definitely the American way. Look at the history of anti-war protests.

musgrrl
08-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Yes he is still on the same side. You are right, the Dems can force this through but the repercussions may be more than they want to chance, especially when looking at relection prospects. There is a real possiblity that the Dems could lose the majority that they enjoy in Congress if they mishandle this. Pelosi and Hoyer needed to keep this in mind and not get lost in the arrogance of their majority.

Protest and freedom of speech is most definitely the American way. Look at the history of anti-war protests.

Let's just hope if the Dems lose, that the replacements are more moderate. I don't care if they are Repub or Dem just as long as they are moderate. I hope the blue dogs don't lose. But there are too many liberals and conservatives running the congress for my taste.

greenleaf
08-11-2009, 06:30 PM
I hope the blue dogs stand up for reasonable and measured action. I don't know that the current proposal can be fixed enough to win the support of the majority of the people. Our health care system could use some attention and it would be unfortunate if this becomes too ugly for any progress. There is a profound lack of trust in the Democratic leadership and their false charges and attacks aren't helping.
I don't think the Democratic leadership appreciates the scope of the problem yet.

foxyladi
08-11-2009, 06:37 PM
2010 is right around the corner