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JLB123
08-13-2009, 12:32 PM
Biden last week:

WASHINGTON, Aug. 4 (UPI) -- U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden said Tuesday the economy was showing many signs that the recovery act is a success.

"There's now evidence that (the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has) accomplished the goals it set out to do," Biden said, reading from notes in the Roosevelt Room in the White House after a meeting with key economic advisers.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/08/04/Biden-says-recovery-act-is-working/UPI-81371249410205/

Well guess again, Joe....

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Retail sales dip unexpectedly, jobless claims rise
Unexpected drop in July retail sales, rise in new jobless claims point to strained recovery
By Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer
On Thursday August 13, 2009, 10:30 am EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retail sales disappointed in July and the number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits rose unexpectedly last week. The latest government reports reinforced concerns about how quickly consumers will be able to contribute to a broad economic recovery.

"There is really no positive spin to put on these numbers," Jennifer Lee, an economist with BMO Capital Markets, wrote in a research note. "The U.S. consumer remains very weak. The jobs situation, while slowly improving, is still dismal."

The Commerce Department said Thursday that retail sales fell 0.1 percent last month. Economists had expected a gain of 0.7 percent.

While autos, helped by the start of the Cash for Clunkers program, showed a 2.4 percent jump -- the biggest in six months -- there was widespread weakness elsewhere. Gasoline stations, department stores, electronics outlets and furniture stores all reported declines.

The July dip was the first setback following two months of modest sales gains. Excluding autos, sales fell 0.6 percent, worse than the 0.1 percent rise economists had forecast.

Households are working to pay down debt and add to savings, longer-term trends along with little job growth making it "probable that the U.S. consumer will not be much of a help during the early stages of the economic recovery," Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at consulting firm MFR Inc., wrote in a note to clients.

The Labor Department said initial claims increased to a seasonally adjusted 558,000, from 554,000 the previous week. Analysts expected new claims to drop to 545,000, according to Thomson Reuters.

The number of people remaining on the benefit rolls, meanwhile, fell to 6.2 million from 6.34 million the previous week. Analysts had expected a smaller decline. The continuing claims data lags initial claims by one week.

The four-week average of initial claims, which smooths out fluctuations, rose by 8,500 to 565,000. That reverses six straight weeks of decline.

A weak job market hurt sales last month. Gas station sales plunged 2.1 percent in July, due more to falling pump prices than weak demand. Excluding that drop, retail sales would have posted a modest 0.1 percent increase.

Department store sales fell 1.6 percent and the broader category of general merchandise stores, which includes big chains such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Target Corp., posted a decline of 0.8 percent.

Wal-Mart on Thursday reported virtually flat second-quarter income compared with a year ago, but the results beat Wall Street expectations and the world's largest retailer raised the low end of its profit outlook as a series of cost-cutting moves draw frugal shoppers away from rivals.

Still, the July weakness in overall retail sales highlighted worries about the potential strength of the recovery from the recession. Consumer spending accounts for about 70 percent of total economic activity.

"Households are in no position to drive a decent economic recovery," Paul Dales, U.S. economist at Capital Economics, wrote in a note to clients.

While there have been recent signs of stability in the U.S. housing market after three years of plunging prices, record foreclosures persist. The number of U.S. households on the verge of losing their homes rose 7 percent in July, as the foreclosure crisis continued to outpace government efforts to limit the damage.

Foreclosure filings rose 32 percent from the same month last year, RealtyTrac Inc. said Thursday. More than 360,000 households, or one in every 355 homes, received a foreclosure-related notice. That's the highest monthly level since the foreclosure-listing firm began publishing the data more than four years ago.

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday delivered a more upbeat assessment of the economy. The central bank held interest rates at record lows and said it would slow the pace of an emergency rescue program to buy $300 billion worth of Treasury securities, shutting it down at the end of October, a month later than previously scheduled.

The Fed again pledged to keep a key bank lending rate near zero for "an extended period" to nurture an anticipated recovery.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues said the economy appeared to be "leveling out" -- a considerable upgrade from their last meeting in June, when the Fed observed only that the economy's contraction was slowing.

On Wall Street, stocks were mixed in morning trading Thursday. The Dow Jones industrial average dipped about 15 points, while broader indices edged up.

Initial claims reflect the pace of layoffs by employers. The Labor Department last week said companies cut 247,000 jobs in July, a large amount but still the smallest number in almost a year.

The unemployment rate dipped to 9.4 percent in July from 9.5 percent, its first drop in 15 months.

There were 617,000 new jobless claims in late June, before the figures were distorted last month by a shift in the timing of temporary auto plant shutdowns. That shift caused claims to drop sharply and then jump up last month.

Claims fell steeply last week, however, when the data were no longer affected by the distortions.

Still, initial claims remain far above the roughly 325,000 that economists say is consistent with a healthy economy. New claims last fell below 300,000 in early 2007.

Including federal emergency benefit programs, 9.25 million people received unemployment compensation in the week ending July 25, the latest data available. That's down from a record of 9.35 million the previous week. Congress has added up to 53 extra weeks of benefits on top of the 26 typically provided by the states.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-says-economy-leveling-new-apf-1948834182.html?x=0&.v=7


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foxyladi
08-13-2009, 12:39 PM
of course sales are down.people losing their jobs are not going to be spending much.

JLB123
08-13-2009, 12:54 PM
of course sales are down.people losing their jobs are not going to be spending much.

We had better raise taxes quickly, so they have more money to spend to get sales back up.....

Oh wait, I got that backwards, didn't I?

Brooke
08-13-2009, 01:03 PM
It's not September, it's August.

JLB123
08-13-2009, 01:53 PM
It's not September, it's August.
A mod will have to change it.

Brooke
08-13-2009, 01:57 PM
I wish it was September 13th. I'd be leaving for a cruise.

JLB123
08-13-2009, 03:45 PM
I wish it was September 13th. I'd be leaving for a cruise.

My daughter just left for one a few minutes ago.

Kbentleyis
08-13-2009, 04:13 PM
How bleek does it have to get before this administration says "STOP"! We (us everyday people) can't afford health care and cap & trade! Tax us on WHAT????

I truly fear for us. It's as if they (BHO administration, senate and congress) are determined to bring every American into poverty.

No longer can anyone tell me, with all the Czars, that this is just coincidental. I believe it's BHO's intention to bankrupt this country. Banks, polls, our government, continually "cook the books" to HIDE our nation's desperate economy and unemployment. Fools.

THE PLANS AREN'T WORKING AND WE'RE PRINTING MONEY left and right to keep Fraudicus traveling around the country to sell a product. HOW IRRESPONSIBLE can he be?

Laura Cereta
08-13-2009, 06:27 PM
A mod will have to change it.

O.K.

VotingHillary
08-14-2009, 12:56 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32399822/ns/business-consumer_news/

WASHINGTON - Retail sales disappointed in July and the number of newly laid-off Americans filing claims for unemployment benefits rose unexpectedly last week. The latest government reports reinforced concerns about how quickly consumers will be able to contribute to a broad economic recovery.

"There is really no positive spin to put on these numbers," Jennifer Lee, an economist with BMO Capital Markets, wrote in a research note. "The U.S. consumer remains very weak. The jobs situation, while slowly improving, is still dismal."

The Commerce Department said Thursday that retail sales fell 0.1 percent last month. Economists had expected a gain of 0.7 percent.

While autos, helped by the start of the Cash for Clunkers program, showed a 2.4 percent jump — the biggest in six months — there was widespread weakness elsewhere. Gasoline stations, department stores, electronics outlets and furniture stores all reported declines.

The July dip was the first setback following two months of modest sales gains. Excluding autos, sales fell 0.6 percent, worse than the 0.1 percent rise economists had forecast.

Households are working to pay down debt and add to savings, longer-term trends along with little job growth making it "probable that the U.S. consumer will not be much of a help during the early stages of the economic recovery," Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at consulting firm MFR Inc., wrote in a note to clients.

More at the link. The jobs situation is what is behind this all. Even those still with jobs are afraid to spend on anything but the essentials out of fear their job will go next.

It is going to be a very rough Christmas season for the retail sector.

All that said, I am not sure the conspicuous consumption this nation has had for the last two decades finally being replaced with a bit of fiscal responsibility by the citizens is really all that bad a thing.

Maybe the public can set the example for our government.

Short term pain, but long term gain.

PA_Voter
08-14-2009, 01:19 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32399822/ns/business-consumer_news/



More at the link. The jobs situation is what is behind this all. Even those still with jobs are afraid to spend on anything but the essentials out of fear their job will go next.

It is going to be a very rough Christmas season for the retail sector.

All that said, I am not sure the conspicuous consumption this nation has had for the last two decades finally being replaced with a bit of fiscal responsibility by the citizens is really all that bad a thing.

Maybe the public can set the example for our government.

Short term pain, but long term gain.

I agree with your premise here, but didn't our government just encourage 250,000 American via "cash for clunkers" to go further into debt? And now they're encouraging another 500,000 Americans to follow in their footsteps?

Someone find the error in my logic: I fear that we will have another 600,000 loans on the books for these new non-clunkers (as I'm assuming most will finance)... 5% of these loans will end up being bad.... Then we the taxpayers will buy back these "toxic assets" to get them off the banks books... Then the cycle repeats.... :eek:

VotingHillary
08-14-2009, 01:23 AM
I agree with your premise here, but didn't our government just encourage 250,000 American via "cash for clunkers" to go further into debt? And now they're encouraging another 500,000 Americans to follow in their footsteps?

Someone find the error in my logic: I fear that we will have another 600,000 loans on the books for these new non-clunkers (as I'm assuming most will finance)... 5% of these loans will end up being bad.... Then we the taxpayers will buy back these "toxic assets" to get them off the banks books... Then the cycle repeats.... :eek:

Yep, only car sales had an increase due to the goverment "handing out candy" to those that can't afford it .....again.

TheTaoOfBill
08-14-2009, 07:48 AM
I agree with your premise here, but didn't our government just encourage 250,000 American via "cash for clunkers" to go further into debt? And now they're encouraging another 500,000 Americans to follow in their footsteps?

Someone find the error in my logic: I fear that we will have another 600,000 loans on the books for these new non-clunkers (as I'm assuming most will finance)... 5% of these loans will end up being bad.... Then we the taxpayers will buy back these "toxic assets" to get them off the banks books... Then the cycle repeats.... :eek:

You act as if no one can afford a car these days. You forget that even though unemployment numbers are high as many as 85% of the working population has a job!

It's those people who can and should spend. And enticing them to spend will get us out of this recession quicker. ESPECIALLY if they are spending on industries that need it as badly as the car industry does.

Most people who can afford to do some spending simply aren't out of a lack of confidence in their job security and in speculation that prices will go down.

foxyladi
08-14-2009, 10:14 AM
people with no money cannot buy things...
where are those jobs?????????????????

TheTaoOfBill
08-14-2009, 10:21 AM
people with no money cannot buy things...
where are those jobs?????????????????

I doubt they were able to get financed for a car with no job.

foxyladi
08-14-2009, 12:17 PM
I doubt they were able to get financed for a car with no job.

oh.they might get it.but paying the the loan back is the rub..

Laura Cereta
08-14-2009, 02:39 PM
merged

JLB123
08-14-2009, 03:26 PM
You act as if no one can afford a car these days. You forget that even though unemployment numbers are high as many as 85% of the working population has a job!

It's those people who can and should spend. And enticing them to spend will get us out of this recession quicker. ESPECIALLY if they are spending on industries that need it as badly as the car industry does.

Most people who can afford to do some spending simply aren't out of a lack of confidence in their job security and in speculation that prices will go down.

People aren't spending because they are worried they will lose their jobs in the Obama Recession/Depression, and they know he is trying to raise taxes on all Americans via Cap and Tax.

It's no wonder they are sitting on what they have.

JLB123
08-14-2009, 03:30 PM
I doubt they were able to get financed for a car with no job.

And a lot more people now don't have jobs, and even Obama has said it will get worse.

foxyladi
08-14-2009, 06:09 PM
this is bad when potus says it will get worse.

JLB123
08-14-2009, 06:11 PM
this is bad when potus says it will get worse.

A stopped clock is right twice a day.