Flyer Development to Advertize Protest

[CGP]

See suggested amendments below which I have added into this quote.

New Version number...5:

Attention Hillary Supporters!!

Join the Protest Against Sexism, Media Bias & Voter Oppression!!

Friday, April 11, 8am, NYC (W48th & Rockefeller Plaza)

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Sick of the biased and sexist media?

Tired of the absurd calls for Hillary "to quit"?

Frustrated that votes in Michigan & Florida are not being counted?

Isn't it time we demand for the media to stop choosing our president?

If so, JOIN OTHER HILLARY SUPPORTERS on FRIDAY, APRIL 11th at 8 AM!!

We'll be protesting in New York City, at the Corner of West 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza!

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We have to stand up! Let the media understand we won't take this abuse of power any longer!

We encourage homemade signs supportive of Senator Clinton or protesting against sexism, media bias and/or voter oppression in MI/FL. Anti-Obama or Anti-McCain signs are absolutely not welcome.

This is a peaceful protest. We do not represent Hillary Clinton but as supporters of her politics we embody her values and accordingly, must conduct ourselves respectfully at all times.

Remember the date and join us in keeping the media's power in check!

------------------------------------------

This protest is not affiliated with, or endorsed by, the official Hillary Clinton for President campaign.

This protest is an independent project organized, funded and operated by grassroots supporters of Hillary Clinton.

For more info go to:www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Inquiries to: admin@hillaryclintonforum.net

[CGP]

Feedback about this?

[Wales for Hillary]

Murray I think its perfect. I have addressed this concern in full on another thread, but you need to make sure that if you are going to focus on the sexism issue (which you should), we need prominent males to assist in being the face of the rally. It can't just look like thousands of angry women. Im sure you are aware of that, but it is vitally important.

[CGP]

Murray I think its perfect. I have addressed this concern in full on another thread, but you need to make sure that if you are going to focus on the sexism issue (which you should), we need prominent males to assist in being the face of the rally. It can't just look like thousands of angry women. Im sure you are aware of that, but it is vitally important.

I see you will be attending so that's 2 males!!

I agree, a mixed group of females AND males sends a more powerful message.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

Feedback about this?

What can others do in conjunction with this protest?? I mean to say,
those of us who do not live near New York City....... can we all send
e-mail to a certain media group, ie. NBC MSNBC to voice this message?
Or, perhaps all network media within an hour or two of this protest.

[CGP]

What can others do in conjunction with this protest?? I mean to say,
those of us who do not live near New York City....... can we all send
e-mail to a certain media group, ie. NBC MSNBC to voice this message?
Or, perhaps all network media within an hour or two of this protest.

Donna - have a look at the other thread ("promoting the protest") and see what's in that one.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

Donna - have a look at the other thread ("promoting the protest") and see what's in that one.

Thanks, Murray...... Great!
didn't see that thread...... I'm running between phone calls and having
meetings here at my shoppe to get volunteers for Hillary here in S. Oregon.

[CGP]

Thanks, Murray...... Great!
didn't see that thread...... I'm running between phone calls and having
meetings here at my shoppe to get volunteers for Hillary here in S. Oregon.

Well that's 3 GREAT ACTIVITIES you are busy with!! :)

[hillary4change]

Feedback about this?
This is more what I had in mind!!! I love it. The evolution has been incredible. I think it states all points perfecly..(except Fl. & Mi.) It looks proffesional. Love it!!

[smsemedic]

fabulosooooo murray!
looks great.

[freethinker]

This is really good. One suggestion, can we get the the place, date and time etc up at the top, right under the heading?

We can also keep it in the body of the flyer, but I found myself searching for info as I was reading.

Also, an advertising maxim is to "tell" the reader exactly what to do. So can we put something like "JOIN THE PROTEST!" in the heading?

What do you think?

[Wales for Hillary]

Also Murray just some rewording on the first line if you like?

Sick of the biased and sexist media? Tired of the absurd calls for Hillary "to quit"? Frustrated that your vote isn't being counted?

[CGP]

fabulosooooo murray!
looks great.

Thank WV4Hillary - I just requoted/edited their original statement!

[CGP]

I added in the suggestions above and built on WV4Hillary's original great work!

How about adding "voter oppression" to the title....to factor in the MI/FL bit?

So:

Join in the Protest Against Sexism, Media Bias and Voter Oppression!

[HillWill]

Murray - your last note says you made some changes. Could you please post the final wording? Thanks!

[HillWill]

Also, this may be nothing, but should "..media choosing our presidents?" be singular, e.g., "president"? I thought maybe if it was plural, they'd ask for more examples than the instant one. Don't shoot me, I'm a freak when it comes to words...

[CGP]

Latest version is:


New Version number...5:

Attention Hillary Supporters!!

Join the Protest Against Sexism, Media Bias & Voter Oppression!!

Friday, April 11, 8am, NYC (W48th & Rockefeller Plaza)

------------------------------------------

Sick of the biased and sexist media?

Tired of the absurd calls for Hillary "to quit"?

Frustrated that votes in Michigan & Florida are not being counted?

Isn't it time we demand for the media to stop choosing our president?

If so, JOIN OTHER HILLARY SUPPORTERS on FRIDAY, APRIL 11th at 8 AM!!

We'll be protesting in New York City, at the Corner of West 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza!

------------------------------------------

We have to stand up! Let the media understand we won't take this abuse of power any longer!

We encourage homemade signs supportive of Senator Clinton or protesting against sexism, media bias and/or voter oppression in MI/FL. Anti-Obama or Anti-McCain signs are absolutely not welcome.

This is a peaceful protest. We do not represent Hillary Clinton but as supporters of her politics we embody her values and accordingly, must conduct ourselves respectfully at all times.

Remember the date and join us in keeping the media's power in check!

------------------------------------------

This protest is not affiliated with, or endorsed by, the official Hillary Clinton for President campaign.

This protest is an independent project organized, funded and operated by grassroots supporters of Hillary Clinton.

For more info go to:www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Inquiries to: admin@hillaryclintonforum.net

[HillWill]

Perfect! thanks!

[MarkMiller]

I am going to ad my two cents here and I ask for everyone to bear with me.

Using the term Sexism is not a good idea. I don't believe it can be taken seriously with that language. I suggest refering to it as Gender Discrimination or Gender Bias. The word sexism is wrong because it does not speak loudly in print as to what it is refering to and can be made quickly into a joke. Descimination is what is really being refered to isn't it. Hillary being cast aside easily by men because she is a woman is gender descimination.

[CGP]

I am going to ad my two cents here and I ask for everyone to bear with me.

Using the term Sexism is not a good idea. I don't believe it can be taken seriously with that language. I suggest refering to it as Gender Discrimination or Gender Bias. The word sexism is wrong because it does not speak loudly in print as to what it is refering to and can be made quickly into a joke. Descimination is what is really being refered to isn't it. Hillary being cast aside easily by men because she is a woman is gender descimination.

Sexism = gender discrimination

Racism = race discrimination

Why not call it for what it is? Should people also not use the term "racism" to refer to "race discrimination"?

I think the average person has a better knowledge of what "sexism" means than what "gender discrimination" means.

The word "gender" is not part of everyday language...It's more of a formal/academic term in my view.

But "sexism" is a word which is in the popular domain and something which most people have some understanding of.

[freethinker]

Some suggestions per text, scale, layout, etc.


Attention Hillary Supporters!!

Join the Protest Against Media Bias & Voter Suppression!!

Friday, April 11, 8am, NYC (W48th & Rockefeller Plaza)
------------------------------------------

Sick of the biased media?

Tired of the absurd calls for Hillary to stop competing and "to quit"?

Frustrated that votes in Michigan & Florida are not being counted?

Its time we demand for the media to stop choosing our presidents!

JOIN OTHER HILLARY SUPPORTERS on FRIDAY, APRIL 11th at 8 AM!!

We'll be protesting in New York City, at the Corner of West 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza!

We have to stand up! Let the media understand we won't take this abuse of power any longer!


*We encourage homemade signs supportive of Senator Clinton or protesting against media bias, gender discrimination and/or voter oppression in MI/FL. Anti-Obama or Anti-McCain signs are absolutely not welcome.

*This is a peaceful protest. We do not represent Hillary Clinton but as supporters of her politics we embody her values and accordingly, must conduct ourselves respectfully at all times.



This protest is not affiliated with, or endorsed by, the official Hillary Clinton for President campaign.

This protest is an independent project organized, funded and operated by grassroots supporters of Hillary Clinton.

For more info go to:www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Inquiries to: admin@hillaryclintonforum.net

[CGP]

Some suggestions per text, scale, layout, etc.

Yes, something similar to what you have above would be fine.

[Wales for Hillary]

You know I have to agree with Mark on that. The word sexism is what has been disturbing me about the flyer as well. I'd say leave it, but this is guy #2 who thinks that word is taking away from our real message.

[freethinker]

I am going to ad my two cents here and I ask for everyone to bear with me.

Using the term Sexism is not a good idea. I don't believe it can be taken seriously with that language. I suggest refering to it as Gender Discrimination or Gender Bias. The word sexism is wrong because it does not speak loudly in print as to what it is refering to and can be made quickly into a joke. Descimination is what is really being refered to isn't it. Hillary being cast aside easily by men because she is a woman is gender descimination.

He said the same thing. He also read the list of offenses and said, "You know what, honey? I know its hard to hear, but some guys look at this stuff and just don't care. They even think its funny." and I said

"i know"
:(

sigh................

that's what we're up against

it sucks

[rene.d]

This sounds really polished!

I was just about to make a suggestion about "sexism," maybe only use it in the second instance.

The word sexism (unreasonably) turns a lot of people off. Kind of like the word feminist. It may discourage male participants.

Since we're mainly talking about sexism in the media, maybe the first line could be Join the Protest against Media Bias and Voter Suppression!

Also, voter oppression is not as widely used as voter suppression

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression

Lastly, maybe put NOT in capitals as in McCain signs absolutely NOT welcome

Just tryin to help

Good luck everybody!

You guys should also plan something FUN to do afterwards :)

[CGP]

Replacing "sexism" with "gender bias or gender discrimination" is MAJOR pandering but if that's what people think is for the best, then so be it...I think it's lame though to do it as it buys into the very form of discrimination that is being criticized! The only people turned off by the word "sexism" are those who engage in it!!!!!

[CGP]

What about this? No use of word "sexism" or "sexist"...

Attention Hillary Supporters!!

Join the Protest Against Media Bias & Voter Suppression!!

Friday, April 11, 8am, NYC (W48th & Rockefeller Plaza)
------------------------------------------

Sick of the biased media?

Tired of the absurd calls for Hillary to stop competing and "to quit"?

Frustrated that votes in Michigan & Florida are not being counted?

Its time we demand for the media to stop choosing our presidents!

JOIN OTHER HILLARY SUPPORTERS on FRIDAY, APRIL 11th at 8 AM!!

We'll be protesting in New York City, at the Corner of West 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza!

We have to stand up! Let the media understand we won't take this abuse of power any longer!


*We encourage homemade signs supportive of Senator Clinton or protesting against media bias, gender discrimination and/or voter oppression in MI/FL. Anti-Obama or Anti-McCain signs are absolutely NOT welcome.

*This is a peaceful protest. We do not represent Hillary Clinton but as supporters of her politics we embody her values and accordingly, must conduct ourselves respectfully at all times.



This protest is not affiliated with, or endorsed by, the official Hillary Clinton for President campaign.

This protest is an independent project organized, funded and operated by grassroots supporters of Hillary Clinton.

For more info go to:www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Inquiries to: admin@hillaryclintonforum.net

[rene.d]

maybe instead of tired of the media bias, use

Tired of the hysterical, self-promoting, gossip-mongering, cronyistic, delusional windbags who try to spoon feed you the news?

[CGP]

maybe instead of tired of the media bias, use

Tired of the hysterical, self-promoting, gossip-mongering, cronyistic, delusional windbags who try to spoon feed you the news?

Are you joking or serious? What you say is true but if "sexism" can turn people off, so too could references to the media as being the things you mentioned (even if they are...). :)

[MarkMiller]

Replacing "sexism" with "gender bias or gender discrimination" is MAJOR pandering but if that's what people think is for the best, then so be it...I think it's lame though to do it as it buys into the very form of discrimination that is being criticized! The only people turned off by the word "sexism" are those who engage in it!!!!!

My concern came as I was preparing a video promotion for this and as I was typing out the word I kept getting flashes in my mind of the word being turned on it's head and used against Hillary.

While I agree with Murray that it is an important issue and one that needs to be highlighted it is also a subject that must be handled in a particular way as not to come across as just a minority within a cause. We should attempt to look at ways to get the point across without bringing a negative light to the subject.

I am going to experiament with a few thing s and get right back to you guys.

[rene.d]

I'm just sayin'--if ya really want to give 'em the unedited truth....

[Wales for Hillary]

maybe instead of tired of the media bias, use

Tired of the hysterical, self-promoting, gossip-mongering, cronyistic, delusional windbags who try to spoon feed you the news?

Thats a remarkable improvement.


Murray,
I understand it feels like pandering, but you don't want the media to have any ammo to take the purpose of the rally and turn it back on us. I think the speakers and the signs and the banners and the message their should definately highlight this point.

Couldnt you just hear Olbermann say something like "I have no problem shes a woman, I have a problem shes a b+++h" or something disgusting like that. It definately needs to keep the sexism message in thier though (after all I think the message will resonate with them the most), I just feel promoting that takes away from the media bias message which is the real purpose

[MarkMiller]

maybe instead of tired of the media bias, use

Tired of the hysterical, self-promoting, gossip-mongering, cronyistic, delusional windbags who try to spoon feed you the news?

Looks even worse in print.

[Wales for Hillary]

Mark once again you are spot on mate. The organizers should consider that this is through the eyes of 2 MEN, so do what you feel is right.

[rene.d]

Hey, I know I don't comment much (yes the last couple were me trying to be funny), but it's inspiring to see everybody work together.
Bravo!

I'd make one last suggestion which is to make smaller fliers to hand out the way everywhere in NYC you get handouts, you know, like 5x8 inches or whatever.

[CGP]

How about:

"Tired of the media bias and being fed hysterical, dishonest & unethical journalism?"

As this is a true statement.

[Wales for Hillary]

I think your effort at 7:38 will get the job done. Its clean on message and easy to follow.

Let us know what else you need us to work on because I'm sure there is a lot that needs to be done. I think if we can get all of the members working on this to focus on gaining turnout and support things will start to develope for the good.

We can all bash Wright and read polls later. Lets get the message out folks. We need to create a campaign defining moment for Hillarys sake.

[mjoynaples]

Replacing "sexism" with "gender bias or gender discrimination" is MAJOR pandering but if that's what people think is for the best, then so be it...I think it's lame though to do it as it buys into the very form of discrimination that is being criticized! The only people turned off by the word "sexism" are those who engage in it!!!!!

I completely agree with you Murray!

It is not ok for RR supporting BO or CM or any of them to call Hillary and Geralding "W....es" or minimize "fairness" or let mccain get away with answering the lady who referred to her as B....h, or "go iron my shirts" etc..or for mo? and that news guy to say they are "p......g thier daughter cheslea as she campaigns for them... oh and you all know so many more than this... most people do not understand what SEXISM is and they are uncomfortable with it because "they think it is funny" - it is not funny and what are we afraid of ... someone needs to start addressing it... why not us with such GLARING EXAMPLES for the public to see.... this is for Hillary and it is also for America and all our girls and young women and women and elders and men who know them and all of us who need to never resort to make fun of or belitting anyone because of their sex and end the stereotypes associated accordingly... in the end you will decide what to do, this is what I hope for and what I will also include in my protest in this campaign.

[endodoc79]

I agree with rene.d - keep it simple, don't be too wordy or too preachy
JOIN THE PROTEST AGAINST MEDIA BIAS AND VOTER SUPPRESSION
We have to stand up. Let the media know how you feel

If we're too strident, could turn people off, this is such a touchy point. I'll share part of an email I received from Catherine Fish who wrote in trading markets a piece on sexism and Hillary that Murray had linked to in the forum.
It is a sad truth that many use "biological differences" as excuses to debase women...and the privileged population (white males) will manipulate any different characteristic to further their own "superiority". It feels like such an endless struggle, but you're right - we can point out when we see it, we can try to garner support to fight it, and we can hope that maybe 2008 will be the year women are finally represented on a national scale.

Keeping that in mind - we want to be as inclusive as possible, not scare away any would be supporters by being too righteous and understand we are dealing with a very sensitive topic.

[CGP]

http://www.webtrec.com/hillary/

[Wales for Hillary]

For all those new who want to help promote the event. Here is the finished flyer. Please note that this is a positive rally unless you happen to be named Chris Matthews or Keith Obamamann

[Wales for Hillary]

bumpedy bump....please use this resource folks

[rene.d]

excellent link!

http://www.webtrec.com/hillary

now who can send this to college women's groups?

[freethinker]

Just my opinion, for the hand outs, I concur with opinions stated here last night and vote we use 8:30 version, at least for the hand outs on the street before and after the concert and posting around NYC. Just my humble op.

[hillary4change]

Replacing "sexism" with "gender bias or gender discrimination" is MAJOR pandering but if that's what people think is for the best, then so be it...I think it's lame though to do it as it buys into the very form of discrimination that is being criticized! The only people turned off by the word "sexism" are those who engage in it!!!!!

Don't change it!! I am sending a copy to Helen thomas now!!

[hillary4change]

I am disappointed in the change, but if that is what the group wants.. I feel like women seing the protest live or on T.V or photos will be inspired. Seeing the visual has a very strong impact!! I have been sending it out all over the net in it's original form. Not knowing the group had changed it!! Sorry.

[Patsy]

I don't like the terminology "gender bias."

Gender Bias by definition is SEXISM.

We are dealing with TWO types of bias.


1) Sexism in the Media

2) Bias against Senator Clinton.


TWO Separate issues and Gender Bias is just conflated language for Sexism.

That's my opinion.

[Patsy]

I'm thought we had agreed not put 8-12 on it and just say 8 a.m. as people would just show up willy-nilly if it gave a time limit.

Please advise. I need to know what to get printed.

Thanks.

[Soren]

The Truth about Hillary is that She Is a Leader
A Commanding Woman Deserves Your Respect
~Allow a woman equal coverage~
* Cover the woman's platform, not her assumed motives *
Do not reduce a woman to her husband
Honor the woman's point of view as well as that of the man
fight-calm-prepared-choaked up: Hillary is all these
Recognize the orientation to the young inherent in all media$$ and $ee that it turn$ its back on the wisdom of the elders. The wisdom of women elders may seem easy to rebuff - but beware ignoring the foundation of love and action
Slow down and see that his health plan is harder on women - because they're the parents who have to buy.
Acknowledge her readiness and clarity and the frequency that her opponent incorporated "everything Senator Clinton just said."
Hillary is here for us, leading and brave, willing and able to do the hardest job in the world. Go, Hillary. The love and action is stronger than a foul press.

[MarkMiller]

Be aware the idea to leave out sexism or gender bias is in the printed and video form. The protest can still have signs that say either sexism or Gender bias.

There can be all kinds of different protest signs used, but the pamplets should be as simple as possible. If this sounds confusing, I am just trying to make sure that the people that are reading and seeing information don't make a judgement call in their minds that would effect the number of people in attendance!

Mark

[Soren]

I was thinking they should see and understand their bias rather than just be called biased.

But if it's too complicated - and everything has to be a sound-tidbit for the pundit-heads - I can remove all but the smile from my upper post. :)

[CGP]

I am setting a dedicated web page via this forum address to "house" the flyer that way we can change it easily as needed depending on opinions! I will go for a starting version and we can change!

Bottomline: it does not need to be perfect and we could spend a year "discussing" exact wording. Best just to "get something" out there.

[CGP]

Ad here:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/april11

I haven't fixed up font/style/presentation yet, but this is the general idea - to have one dedicated online advertisement and to share the link around.

[WV4Hillary]

Someone needs to go ahead and design and layout the flyer and make it a pdf so we can start printing them.

[Bad Kitty]

Hi Murray, Do you mind if I use some of the wording from this flyer for a rally flyer we are making?