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Valin
09-04-2009, 09:26 AM
WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574390631037605374.html)
Republicans should never do to President Obama what many Democrats did to President Bush.
DAN SENOR AND PETER WEHNER

In his column for the Washington Post on Tuesday, the influential conservative George Will provided intellectual fodder for the campaign among some Republicans to hang the Afghanistan war around the Obama administration's neck. Washington, he wrote, should "keep faith" with our fighting men and women by "rapidly reversing the trajectory of America's involvement in Afghanistan." "Obama's war," a locution one is now beginning to hear from other conservatives, is an expression of discontent that has been smoldering beneath the surface for several months.

The weakening public support for continuing the counterinsurgency campaign is not surprising. In the midst of an economic crisis people are tempted to draw inward. Add to that a general war weariness in the U.S. and the fact that the Afghanistan war is not going well right now—violence in Afghanistan is already far worse this year than last—and you have the makings of an unpopular conflict.

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Many Democrats were also uneasy with or outright hostile to the policies of President George H.W. Bush. That included strong criticisms of the U.S. liberation of Panama and widespread Democratic opposition to the first Gulf War, which only 10 Senate Democrats voted to authorize.

The tables were turned in the 1990s: Then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay called Kosovo "Clinton's war" and a majority of Senate Republicans voted against a bombing campaign, even after the Serbs had created half-a-million refugees in Kosovo and were on a path to destabilizing southern Europe. And, unlike today, this was not at a time of economic insecurity at home. Nor were we shouldering the military burden alone (18 other nations fought alongside us in the Balkans). Conservatives also argued that President Clinton's strikes against Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1998 were meant to distract the nation's attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. In 2000, in a sharp rebuke of the Clinton administration's nation-building, Condoleezza Rice—then a top adviser to presidential candidate George W. Bush—said that the 82nd Airborne should not be walking kids to school.

In this decade, Democrats were fierce opponents of President Bush's Iraq policy, going so far as to declare the war lost and doing everything in their power to stop the surge—which turned out to be enormously successful—from going forward.

Our concern is that this tendency for the party out of (executive) power to pull back from America's international role and to undermine a president of the opposing party will gain strength when it comes to President Obama's policy on Afghanistan.

The president deserves credit for his commitment earlier this year to order an additional 17,000 troops for Afghanistan, as well as his decision to act on the recommendation of Gen. David Petraeus and Defense Secretary Robert Gates to replace the U.S. commander in Afghanistan with Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

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The war in Afghanistan is a crucial part of America's broader struggle against militant Islam. If we were to fail in Afghanistan, it would have calamitous consequences for both Pakistan and American credibility. It would consign the people of Afghanistan to misery and hopelessness. And Afghanistan would once again become home to a lethal mix of terrorists and insurgents and a launching point for attacks against Western and U.S. interests. Neighboring governments—especially Pakistan's with its nuclear weapons—could quickly be destabilized and collapse.

Progress and eventual success in Afghanistan—which is difficult but doable—would, when combined with a similar outcome in Iraq, constitute a devastating blow against jihadists and help stabilize a vital and volatile region.

We also believe supporting the president's Afghanistan policy is politically smart for Republicans. For one thing, isolationist tendencies don't do well in American politics. Even in a war as unpopular as Vietnam, George McGovern's "Come Home, America" cry backfired badly. So has every attempt since then. There is no compelling evidence that the congressional GOP was politically well served in the 1990s by opposing intervention in the Balkans.

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Alces95
09-04-2009, 09:44 AM
WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574390631037605374.html)
Republicans should never do to President Obama what many Democrats did to President Bush.
DAN SENOR AND PETER WEHNER

In his column for the Washington Post on Tuesday, the influential conservative George Will provided intellectual fodder for the campaign among some Republicans to hang the Afghanistan war around the Obama administration's neck. Washington, he wrote, should "keep faith" with our fighting men and women by "rapidly reversing the trajectory of America's involvement in Afghanistan." "Obama's war," a locution one is now beginning to hear from other conservatives, is an expression of discontent that has been smoldering beneath the surface for several months.

The weakening public support for continuing the counterinsurgency campaign is not surprising. In the midst of an economic crisis people are tempted to draw inward. Add to that a general war weariness in the U.S. and the fact that the Afghanistan war is not going well right now—violence in Afghanistan is already far worse this year than last—and you have the makings of an unpopular conflict.

(Snip)

Many Democrats were also uneasy with or outright hostile to the policies of President George H.W. Bush. That included strong criticisms of the U.S. liberation of Panama and widespread Democratic opposition to the first Gulf War, which only 10 Senate Democrats voted to authorize.

The tables were turned in the 1990s: Then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay called Kosovo "Clinton's war" and a majority of Senate Republicans voted against a bombing campaign, even after the Serbs had created half-a-million refugees in Kosovo and were on a path to destabilizing southern Europe. And, unlike today, this was not at a time of economic insecurity at home. Nor were we shouldering the military burden alone (18 other nations fought alongside us in the Balkans). Conservatives also argued that President Clinton's strikes against Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1998 were meant to distract the nation's attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. In 2000, in a sharp rebuke of the Clinton administration's nation-building, Condoleezza Rice—then a top adviser to presidential candidate George W. Bush—said that the 82nd Airborne should not be walking kids to school.

In this decade, Democrats were fierce opponents of President Bush's Iraq policy, going so far as to declare the war lost and doing everything in their power to stop the surge—which turned out to be enormously successful—from going forward.

Our concern is that this tendency for the party out of (executive) power to pull back from America's international role and to undermine a president of the opposing party will gain strength when it comes to President Obama's policy on Afghanistan.

The president deserves credit for his commitment earlier this year to order an additional 17,000 troops for Afghanistan, as well as his decision to act on the recommendation of Gen. David Petraeus and Defense Secretary Robert Gates to replace the U.S. commander in Afghanistan with Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

(Snip)

The war in Afghanistan is a crucial part of America's broader struggle against militant Islam. If we were to fail in Afghanistan, it would have calamitous consequences for both Pakistan and American credibility. It would consign the people of Afghanistan to misery and hopelessness. And Afghanistan would once again become home to a lethal mix of terrorists and insurgents and a launching point for attacks against Western and U.S. interests. Neighboring governments—especially Pakistan's with its nuclear weapons—could quickly be destabilized and collapse.

Progress and eventual success in Afghanistan—which is difficult but doable—would, when combined with a similar outcome in Iraq, constitute a devastating blow against jihadists and help stabilize a vital and volatile region.

We also believe supporting the president's Afghanistan policy is politically smart for Republicans. For one thing, isolationist tendencies don't do well in American politics. Even in a war as unpopular as Vietnam, George McGovern's "Come Home, America" cry backfired badly. So has every attempt since then. There is no compelling evidence that the congressional GOP was politically well served in the 1990s by opposing intervention in the Balkans.

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Good for them for truly putting country first! Focus on the policy and what is right as opposed to parties or this "yeah but you did..." crap. Kudos to them!=D>

foxyladi
09-04-2009, 11:17 AM
remember this is the (just war)

BillDemo
09-04-2009, 01:40 PM
... and Vietnam was not Nixon's war... but he got criticized for it all the same.

Didn't Obama campaign in support of the war in Afghanistan?
And Obama also campaigned Against the (successful) Surge.
If we'd followed Obama's advice, we'd still be mired in Iraq.

TheTaoOfBill
09-04-2009, 01:53 PM
I disagree. Afghanistan is his war because Bush certainly didn't want it. He preferred invading countries that had nothing to do with 9-11.

Alces95
09-04-2009, 01:58 PM
I disagree. Afghanistan is his war because Bush certainly didn't want it. He preferred invading countries that had nothing to do with 9-11.

Its OUR war. A politcal party doesn't fight a war, a country does.

WASTRIC
09-04-2009, 04:37 PM
one of the only things I agree with Obama is letting the military do its job in Afghanistan.We can't break it and them just slink away. Bush should have listened more to the military and less to the political advisers before he went into Iraq half cocked. His dad did it right, overwhelming force and a plan for the worst, not just for the best outcome.

jlynne
09-05-2009, 12:21 AM
How much higher would our unemployment rate be if Obama brought the troops home? What kind of political justification, if any, could he give for not finding our soldiers civilian jobs?

Afghanistan is an unwinnable war. If our goal is nation building, then we can't possibly succeed unless the Afghani people suddenly develop a set of shared values that are consistent with ours. And if our goal isn't nation building, what the heck is it?

It's time to bring our troops home. And it is past time to take care of them once they return.

Valin
09-05-2009, 08:19 AM
I disagree. Afghanistan is his war because Bush certainly didn't want it. He preferred invading countries that had nothing to do with 9-11.

Weekly Standard: The Connection (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/152lndzv.asp)
06/07/2004, Volume 009, Issue 37

The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein has Endangered America (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=theweeklyst09-20&path=tg/detail/-/0060746734/qid%3D1085778444/sr%3D1-1)
by Stephen F. Hayes.


"THE PRESIDENT CONVINCED THE COUNTRY with a mixture of documents that turned out to be forged and blatantly false assertions that Saddam was in league with al Qaeda," claimed former Vice President Al Gore last Wednesday.

"There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever," declared Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism official under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, in an interview on March 21, 2004.

The editor of the Los Angeles Times labeled as "myth" the claim that links between Iraq and al Qaeda had been proved. A recent dispatch from Reuters simply asserted, "There is no link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda." 60 Minutes anchor Lesley Stahl was equally certain: "There was no connection."

And on it goes. This conventional wisdom--that our two most determined enemies were not in league, now or ever--is comforting. It is also wrong.
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Nothing to do with 9-11? It appears that there is some disagreement on that