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tracker
09-16-2009, 07:21 PM
As I said in several posts about this health care plan, there will be repercussions across the board and programs cut in order to pay for this and try to keep Obamacare viable. :mad:[-X:-bd



Dear Supporter:

Dick Morris, chief strategist for the League of American Voters, recently penned the article below for Dickmorris.com. Please take a moment to read it.

Also, we need to continuing exposing Obama and, as Dick puts it, his "fraud and trick."

Help us with our national media campaign exposing Obamacare — Go Here Now.

Bob Adams
Executive Director


BEWARE THE PUBLIC OPTION TRAP


By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

As any good Persian rug dealer knows, you have to hold back a bargaining chit so that you can whip it out at the very end to tie down the sale. That's how Obama is playing the so-called public option in his healthcare program. His plan seems to be to combine its abandonment with some form of tort reform and try to buy off some Republicans - maybe only Maine's Olympia Snowe - to give moderate Democrats enough confidence in the veneer of bi-partisanship to win their backing for his bill.

But it's a fraud and a trick.

Here's why:

(a) Whether or not there is a public option makes no difference in the fundamental objection most elderly have to the bill - that it guts Medicare and Medicaid. All of the bills now under consideration cut these two programs by one half of a trillion dollars. And all of them require the medical community to serve thirty to fifty million new patients without any concomitant growth in the number of doctors or nurses. These cuts and shortages will lead to draconian rationing of medical care for the elderly, whether under a public option or not.

(b) The most likely proposal is to replace the public option with some form of buyer's co-op. But since there is no currently existing co-op to serve as a vehicle for health insurance, it would have to be formed. By who? The government, of course. That would mean, as a practical matter, that the "co-op option" would be a government run plan for several years. In fact, they may not get around to setting up a co-op at all.

(c) The other alternative, mentioned by Senator Snowe herself, would be for a "trigger" mechanism. This provision would require the creation of a public alternative to private insurance plans if, after a specified period of time, they did not lower rates to a pre-determined level. Given the escalation of healthcare costs, it is almost inevitable that this provision would lead to a government plan. And, anyway, who says that the government insurance option would be more successful in reducing costs?

But Obama has to at least appear to be willing to compromise, so he has invented the idea of re-packaging the public option in order to seem to be flexible.

The key, here, is not to be distracted by the debate over the public option. It matters very much to private insurance companies whether the government becomes their competitor, but, for the elderly (and the near-elderly), the key concern is not the public option by the rationing and cuts projected under the program.

In the Clinton Administration, we worked hard to kill the proposed Medicare cuts and are no less committed to stopping them in the Obama presidency. That they were once proposed by the right and are now being pushed by the left makes no difference. A cut is a cut is a cut. And Medicare should not be cut.

Note from the League: Obama is campaigning all around the nation to re-gain support for Obamacare. We have a good chance of stopping him but we must continue the fight. Please help us — Go Here Now.

Paid for by the League of American Voters. Contributions to the League of American Voters are not tax deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. Contributions from individuals and corporations are permitted by law and welcome.

foxyladi
09-16-2009, 07:33 PM
it,s a b:surprise:looming mess:surprise:

RichardMZhlubb
09-16-2009, 07:38 PM
Whether you agree or disagree with Obama's plan, how can anyone possibly take Dick Morris seriously?

Spang
09-16-2009, 07:40 PM
Taking Dick Morris seriously is like taking Glenn Beck seriously.

Ikasu
09-16-2009, 07:47 PM
Whether you agree or disagree with Obama's plan, how can anyone possibly take Dick Morris seriously?

Yes. lol

CGP
09-16-2009, 07:50 PM
Isn't it a just little bit strange that some of the harshest Republican critics of the public OPTION have instantaneously become some of the biggest defenders of Medicare? :thinking:

tracker
09-16-2009, 08:02 PM
Dick Morris is an astute person when it comes to politics and predictions about what may occur. He was one of Clinton's closest advisrs until he shot himself in the foot with his terrible behavior.

Does that mean the advice and observations he gave Clinton up to that point were wrong or meaningless? No!

That doesn't mean he isn't spot on about what Obamacare will do to other programs.

I don't like him either but that doesn't mean his observations aren't pretty accurate most of the time.

And yes, republicans were against Medicare before they were for it but I don't think Dick Morris is republican and I know I'm not.

You don't have to be of a particular party to figure out Obamacare is going to create all sorts of problems for healtcare as it stands now.

If what Morris says is true, how will Obama and the dems justify gutting medicare and leaving the elderly out in the cold?

I can't speak for republican stances at the moment but know I personally oppose Obamacare as it stands now and you don't have to be partisan to oppose it.

Wyoming Dem
09-16-2009, 08:03 PM
I DESPISE Dick Morris for the tow-sucking freak that he is but you ask me to take Obama seriously every day...just saying...I find them equally disingenuous

mavfin
09-16-2009, 08:05 PM
Taking Dick Morris seriously is like taking Glenn Beck seriously.

Or taking the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos seriously.

RichardMZhlubb
09-16-2009, 08:11 PM
I don't like him either but that doesn't mean his observations aren't pretty accurate most of the time.


Here's his election prediction map from late October 2008.

http://theelectoralmap.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/10-16-morris-map.jpg

Arkansas solid blue? Louisiana a toss up? Tennessee leaning blue? That's absurd.

Ikasu
09-16-2009, 08:11 PM
Dick Morris is an astute person when it comes to politics and predictions about what may occur. He was one of Clinton's closest advisrs until he shot himself in the foot with his terrible behavior.

Morris overrates his role as a Clinton adviser. As for his predictions, he said Hillary Clinton would face Condoleezza Rice in 2008. He said Dean would be the 2004 Democratic nominee after he said he had no chance only to have Kerry get the nomination. He said Hillary Clinton would either lose or drop out of her 2006 Senate race, she ended up winning 67%. He also said that Hillary would lose in 2000. He said Katrina would help Bush in the same way 9/11 did for his second term. His predictions for the primaries and general election in 2008 were way off the mark. The guy is a joke.

Wyoming Dem
09-16-2009, 08:12 PM
Or taking the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos seriously.
Taking HuffPo seriously...bwaaahahahahahahahhaha:rotfl: Daily Kos...punchline to every dirty Democrat joke I know.....:laughing:
You forgot Democratic Underground.....THE OFFICIAL spokepersons for the Democratic Partyhttp://thump01.pbase.com/o6/61/114161/1/86440257.sMhZE2bk.kissass.gif

Spang
09-16-2009, 08:12 PM
Morris overrates his role as a Clinton adviser.

Dick Morris was an adviser to a president? He was a . . .

CZAR?! :eek:

tracker
09-16-2009, 08:18 PM
Morris overrates his role as a Clinton adviser. As for his predictions, he said Hillary Clinton would face Condoleezza Rice in 2008. He said Dean would be the 2004 Democratic nominee after he said he had no chance only to have Kerry get the nomination. He said Hillary Clinton would either lose or drop out of her 2006 Senate race, she ended up winning 67%. He also said that Hillary would lose in 2000. He said Katrina would help Bush in the same way 9/11 did for his second term. His predictions for the primaries and general election in 2008 were way off the mark. The guy is a joke.

I mentioned nothing about his predictions. I don't think a whole lot can be predicted because the American voting public is fickle and easily bamboozled. However his advice has been pretty good as well as his observations. I know at some point along the way, was much less sure that Obama would lose the election. And if he is wrong about some things, it doesn't make him wrong about things such as Obamacare. He could be very spot on.

Spang
09-16-2009, 08:20 PM
I mentioned nothing about his predictions.

Are you sure?

Dick Morris is an astute person when it comes to politics and predictions about what may occur.

Wyoming Dem
09-16-2009, 08:21 PM
Dick Morris was an adviser to a president? He was a . . .

CZAR?! :eek:
No...he was an eavesdropping, toe sucking, prostitute hiring, bizarro but maybe he was a Tsar too...

tracker
09-16-2009, 08:22 PM
Are you sure?



My bad, but I did say "what may occur."

And, btw, there was a segment on fox just now that many dems disapprove of Medicare cutbacks (in relation to Obamacare).

Medicare cutbacks:

http://nrinstitute.org/mediamalpractice/?p=421
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7386057
http://wcbstv.com/local/health.care.plan.2.1106555.html

So let's take Morris out of the equation. This thread has become about him and not the actual issue of Medicare cutbacks!

mudflat
09-16-2009, 08:27 PM
Morris is scum. Beglea, Carville, Podesta,Ickes,even Rahm and especially Hillary had more to do with helping Bill than the toe sucker. All toe sucker did was read polls, he had nothing to do with policy.

tracker
09-16-2009, 08:32 PM
Morris is scum. Beglea, Carville, Podesta,Ickes,even Rahm and especially Hillary had more to do with helping Bill than the toe sucker. All toe sucker did was read polls, he had nothing to do with policy.

Yeah, and then some of them kinda sorta didn't actually speak up for Hillary in an effective manner during the primaries in my opinion. Maybe Ickes and Begala but the others were very ineffective in their "support" of Hillary.

Besides, in the previous post of mine I said let's take toe-sucking, scumbag out of the equation and concentrate on the subject matter and not Morris.

If you are elderly and depend on Medicare or have a family member who does, they will be in danger of much reduced coverage under Obama's plan. How does he justify that?

Would it be that the elderly aren't "worth" as much as younger citizens or what exactly?

Wyoming Dem
09-16-2009, 08:57 PM
Yeah, and then some of them kinda sorta didn't actually speak up for Hillary in an effective manner during the primaries in my opinion. Maybe Ickes and Begala but the others were very ineffective in their "support" of Hillary.

Besides, in the previous post of mine I said let's take toe-sucking, scumbag out of the equation and concentrate on the subject matter and not Morris.

If you are elderly and depend on Medicare or have a family member who does, they will be in danger of much reduced coverage under Obama's plan. How does he justify that?

Would it be that the elderly aren't "worth" as much as younger citizens or what exactly?
That's right...NOT LIFE CREDIT WORTHY...I am looking for someone who is contemplating suicide and seeing if they will sell me their left-over life credits!:rotfl: