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CGP
09-17-2009, 01:36 AM
READ @ CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/cracker.barrel.beating/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)


The FBI is investigating as a possible hate crime an incident in which a woman was beaten to the ground in front of her child at the entrance to a Cracker Barrel restaurant in Morrow, Georgia, south of Atlanta.

Troy Dale West Jr., of Poulan, Georgia, is facing charges including misdemeanor battery and disorderly conduct after allegedly beating Army reservist Tashawnea Hill, 35, after the two had words at the entrance of the Morrow, Georgia, restaurant the evening of September 9.

Hill, an African-American, told police that West, 47, yelled racial epithets at her as the attack took place.

"He did punch me with a closed fist repeated times. My head is still hurting today. I have knots on my head," Hill told CNN Wednesday night, adding she also was kicked.

Police said witnesses confirmed her account.

The FBI has "initiated an investigation in the matter to determine if a civil rights violation occurred," the agency said in a statement.

Because the alleged incident happened in full view of Hill's 7-year-old daughter, the Clayton County district attorney's office added a felony charge of cruelty to children.

"[The woman's daughter] was visibly upset the night of the attack," according to Capt. James Callaway of the Morrow Police Department, who said he was on the scene shortly after the alleged attack.

A police report of the incident said Hill's daughter was "crying uncontrollably and her body [was] shaking/trembling" from witnessing the attack.

Hill told police the incident started when she and her daughter were entering the restaurant at the same time West and his wife were exiting.

"The man slung open the door pretty hard and fast and I had to push my daughter out of the way," Hill told CNN affiliate WSB-TV. "I turned to the man and I just said, 'Excuse me sir, you need to watch yourself; you almost hit my daughter in the face.' And from there it just went downhill."

West, according to the police report, admitted striking Hill "after she spit on me and accused me of trying to hit her daughter with a door."

Appearing on CNN Wednesday night, Hill and her attorney, Kip Jones, denied that she spat on West. Jones said he saw surveillance video of the incident.

"At no point did Ms. Hill do anything to provoke the attack. She did not spit on Mr. West. She spoke to him. He attacked her," Jones said.

Police say Hill stated that "West punched her in the left cheek, forehead, kicked her body in several places, and punched her head in many areas several times."

The Cracker Barrel's manager told police he stepped between West and Hill to stop the alleged assault.

Cracker Barrel spokeswoman Julie Davis said Wednesday that the restaurant was cooperating fully in the police investigation.

"It's just terrible when something like this happens anywhere, let alone in one of our stores," Davis said. "It's worth noting that Cracker Barrel employees did their best to assist Hill as soon as they became aware of the situation."

Jones said he was "convinced this was a hateful, racist attack ... based on the N-word, the B-word, etc."

"The language was vile. It was racist. It was sexist. It was completely offensive, completely unprovoked," Jones said.



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VotingHillary
09-17-2009, 01:42 AM
Police said witnesses confirmed her account.

'Nuff said.

CGP
09-17-2009, 01:48 AM
A police report of the incident said Hill's daughter was "crying uncontrollably and her body [was] shaking/trembling" from witnessing the attack.

What a traumatic experience for this child.

mavfin
09-17-2009, 02:20 AM
When I think of racism, *this* is what I think of. Not just opposing someone's policies.

foxyladi
09-17-2009, 12:46 PM
When I think of racism, *this* is what I think of. Not just opposing someone's policies.

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jlynne
09-17-2009, 01:22 PM
"Completely unprovoked?" The use of that terminology bothers me.

The woman confronted the man ... "excuse me sir, be more careful." His response was to beat the living daylights out of her. That isn't completely unprovoked. It is a completely unwarranted and totally unjustifiable response to her statements but it isn't a random act of violence. Even if she had spat in his face, he still deserves to be convicted of a felony.

But to portray this as a random act of violence because of her skin color? To say the use of the N-word or the B-word makes assault and battery a hate crime? Then what is dragging a man to his death because he is black? What is tying a young man to a fence and leaving him to die because he's gay? That's true hatred. This is just stupidity.

mack20
09-17-2009, 03:27 PM
"Completely unprovoked?" The use of that terminology bothers me.

The woman confronted the man ... "excuse me sir, be more careful." His response was to beat the living daylights out of her. That isn't completely unprovoked. It is a completely unwarranted and totally unjustifiable response to her statements but it isn't a random act of violence. Even if she had spat in his face, he still deserves to be convicted of a felony.

But to portray this as a random act of violence because of her skin color? To say the use of the N-word or the B-word makes assault and battery a hate crime? Then what is dragging a man to his death because he is black? What is tying a young man to a fence and leaving him to die because he's gay? That's true hatred. This is just stupidity.

Sorry, but I think the phrase "completely unprovoked" works in a situation where the woman politely asked him to be more careful and his response was the beat the hell out of her. A polite request is not provoking someone.

jlynne
09-17-2009, 03:43 PM
Sorry, but I think the phrase "completely unprovoked" works in a situation where the woman politely asked him to be more careful and his response was the beat the hell out of her. A polite request is not provoking someone.

Is there anything at all to suggest that if this woman had not said to the man "be more careful" that he would have beaten her up? No

Is there anything to suggest that her comments to him caused him to focus attention upon her which led to the attack? Yes

Her act (speaking to the man) provoked a response (beating her up).

Provocation = an act that provokes a response. A polite request is meant to be a provocation ... it invites a response. If he'd said sorry and left then it wouldn't be an issue. The problem isn't that she provoked the man. The problem is the man's response to her provocation was completely inappropriate.

sojourner
09-17-2009, 03:55 PM
Is there anything at all to suggest that if this woman had not said to the man "be more careful" that he would have beaten her up? No

Is there anything to suggest that her comments to him caused him to focus attention upon her which led to the attack? Yes

Her act (speaking to the man) provoked a response (beating her up).

Provocation = an act that provokes a response. A polite request is meant to be a provocation ... it invites a response. If he'd said sorry and left then it wouldn't be an issue. The problem isn't that she provoked the man. The problem is the man's response to her provocation was completely inappropriate.

I believe the way the word is commonly used and understood is to bring about deliberately as in provoke a fight.

I see no indication that she deliberately tried to start something.

NativeSun
09-17-2009, 03:59 PM
I think that this guy probably beats his wife or girlfriend. You just don't do that to a woman, especially in front of her kid, unless you have some serious issues. I hope he gets put away for a long, long time.

Spang
09-17-2009, 07:07 PM
(No Nudity)

jlynne
09-19-2009, 12:50 AM
I am stuck at my sister's with a dial up connection and no speakers so no audio. Could you give me the highlights of what she says in the video? I tried to watch it for context but I wasn't able to get anything out of the first few minutes except she came across as camera shy.

Ikasu
09-19-2009, 01:19 AM
I am stuck at my sister's with a dial up connection and no speakers so no audio. Could you give me the highlights of what she says in the video? I tried to watch it for context but I wasn't able to get anything out of the first few minutes except she came across as camera shy.

She said he and her daughter are still shaken up by the attack. She said she did not spit on him, she only asked him to watch out because he almost hit her daughter with the door. The people at the restaurant did not help her while being attacked. The attacker has some violent history and there's a rumor that he's part of the KKK. That's what I remember when I watched it.

sojourner
09-19-2009, 01:31 AM
I am stuck at my sister's with a dial up connection and no speakers so no audio. Could you give me the highlights of what she says in the video? I tried to watch it for context but I wasn't able to get anything out of the first few minutes except she came across as camera shy.

She said that he began hitting her immediately after she ask him to be careful. She told him she was a soldier thinking he might back off. She blacked out for a short time after he knocked her down. She was glad that the FBI was investigating it as a hate crime and shocked that this sort of thing could still happen in this country. She said that their were a number of men and women their and onlf two women spoke up for her.

VotingHillary
09-19-2009, 02:05 AM
I don't care what side of the aisle you are on...this is a damn disgrace, period.

sojourner
09-19-2009, 02:27 AM
She said he and her daughter are still shaken up by the attack. She said she did not spit on him, she only asked him to watch out because he almost hit her daughter with the door. The people at the restaurant did not help her while being attacked. The attacker has some violent history and there's a rumor that he's part of the KKK. That's what I remember when I watched it.

The manager said that he stepped between them. The way her lawyer brought up the Cracker Barrel makes me think he is planning on suing them. I think I saw dollar signs in his eyes.

Spang
09-19-2009, 02:28 AM
The way her lawyer brought up the Cracker Barrel makes me think he is planning on suing them. I think I saw dollar signs in his eyes.

Well, Cracker Barrel allowed the incident to happen on their property.

sojourner
09-19-2009, 02:42 AM
Well, Cracker Barrel allowed the incident to happen on their property.

It happened in an instant at the front door. When the manager saw what was happening he stepped between them. I am not sure how anyone could have stopped it if it happened as fast as she said it did. That is going to be a tough case to win.

Ikasu
09-19-2009, 02:59 AM
The manager said that he stepped between them. The way her lawyer brought up the Cracker Barrel makes me think he is planning on suing them. I think I saw dollar signs in his eyes.

I meant to say that the customers did not help her.

jlynne
09-19-2009, 04:22 AM
The only reason she would have a laywer is to act as her publicist or to sue on her or her child's behalf. She certainly hasn't been charged with any crimes to warrant a public defender or the like. I doubt the idiot who beat her up has any money. So her lawyer will most likely go after Cracker Barrel. She doesn't look like she has the kind of money to shell out for the kind of lawyer she has--I bet his retainer is at least 5K if not 10K. So either she has a contingency fee arrangment with him or he's in it for the publicity.

I feel sorry for the manager at the Cracker Barrel. No matter how much personal risk he took trying to stop the fight he's going to be the ultimate loser if there is any kind of court battle. He's going to be blamed for not knowing the attack was about to happen and not acting fast enough to stop it after it began. It could cost him not only his job but a good portion of his future earnings capacity. All because Cracker Barrel has "deep pockets" compared to all the other people involved in the incident.