A Letter to the Women of America - It's Time To Take Action!

[Judy Acosta Smith]

I feel like I must have a word in the democrat race to someone, anyone, who will listen to my point of view.

It has been a difficult decision to make between these two fine people. I believe both have quite similar views on most topics, both are extremely intelligent, and both agree with the many issues that I hold dear. So, it comes down to two things for me; experience and man vs woman.

In my mind Hillary has the experience and knows how to use the experts, however, Obama can learn and seems to know how to use the expertise of those around him also, which I feel confident he will do if elected.

The thing that really puzzles me is why so many women seem to be moving to the Obama camp. I don't want to sound at all prejudice in any way, not against race or gender, but women have been fighting for equality since time began. Women have been working for lower wages, have been held responsible for household duties, have been considered weaker emotionally (i.e. the time Hillary showed emotion, too much for the media), have been considered more high strung (i.e. Hillary expressing her opinion about the number of times questions were addressed to her first), and have had to fight for at least as much recognition as those of our minority groups. And, there are women in all of these groups. If we don't support an equally qualified woman for the highest position in our land, I believe it will be many more years before another opportunity like this comes along. Why aren't we; blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, muslims and all women supporting a woman? I can understand it if one does not support Hillary due to political reasons, but I don't understand why, when all else is equal, women aren't supporting one of their own. We can make a difference. Women are different than men. The newsmen that bring up these ridiculous remarks are men and expect a woman to act and react like a man. If a man becomes emotional, little is said about it. If a man complains about the way something is being done, he is never referred to as a whiner.

It is still a man's world. It's getting better, but it is still a man's world, and we are letting the men in the media, the men in the Senate and House who have moved their support to Obama, and the rest of the men in this country with power, influence our thinking.

I call on the women of this country to think about why they see Obama the way they do. He is charismatic. He appears charming and hopeful. He is handsome and seems like he must be a good husband and father. These are the things that attract us to men. But, if we want to see women become equal partners in our society, we need to recognize the qualities that make us who we are. Hillary is a fighter. She's strong. She's devoted. You may not be attracted to her as you might be to Obama, but she can improve the state of feminism in our lifetime along with the many other issues that face this country today. Let's see what an experienced, intelligent woman can do as the leader of our country.

Judy Smith
Mother, Wife, Teacher

[Viktoriya]

I am surprised myself. I thought each of us (girls) would be so happy to have a great chance to show the whole wide world: woman has a power.
You know what? I still believe that women will come together on March 4.:)

[CGP]

You know what? I still believe that women will come together on March 4.:)

Let's hope that women come together on March 4 in support of Hillary in the same way they did in New Hampshire when the media had all but put Hillary in the grave!

[CGP]

I call on the women of this country to think about why they see Obama the way they do. He is charismatic. He appears charming and hopeful. He is handsome and seems like he must be a good husband and father. These are the things that attract us to men. But, if we want to see women become equal partners in our society, we need to recognize the qualities that make us who we are. Hillary is a fighter. She's strong. She's devoted. You may not be attracted to her as you might be to Obama, but she can improve the state of feminism in our lifetime along with the many other issues that face this country today. Let's see what an experienced, intelligent woman can do as the leader of our country.

I enourage all women who have voted for Obama to think about this same question you have raised. In my mind - given Hillary's superior level of political knowledge, skill and experience - any woman who votes for Obama is voting to support a sexist, patriarchal societal system that favors men over woman at all levels. I am a male but do not identify with the dominant masculinity which rules this world. I call on all women to make a stand and support the one female politician in this country who has worked so incredibly hard to advance the status of women, both here and abroad. A vote for Hillary is a vote for REAL CHANGE, a vote for EQUALITY.

[CGP]

Please also see related topics in this forum which look at how SEXISM has negatively impacted on Clinton's candidacy and popularity with voters:

Petition - Sexism in the Media
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=252

Topic: Another Male
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=209

Topic: Another Reason to Support Clinton
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=81

Article: "The Hidden Ism"
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=481

Article: "Shameful Double Standard"
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=401

Article: "The G Word"
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=325

Article: "Sexism v Racism"
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=197

Article: "If Obama Was A Woman"
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=209

[RAFREE]

You know what really, really bothers me? One of the biggest arguments against giving women the vote in the first place was that they would vote for the most "charming" and most "Handsome" candidate instead of the most qualified!!

Women PLEASE!! Don't fall for Mr. Charm...it never works out the way you think it will does it?? And the most charming ones are always the biggest jerks!

Judy, if you are a teacher I know why you are voting for Hillary!! I feel for you in the last few years. I have never seen such a demoralized profession as teaching under GWB!! NCLB was a horrible practice for ANY child with ANY difference at all. Family crisis? Too bad! Aspergers? Too bad! I have a funny post on my blog that will give you a laugh. I will post it for you soon.

Kudos to teachers and good bye to NCLB and the testing frenzy! Let teachers TEACH!!

[RAFREE]

No Child Left Behind - Football Version

The football version of what is going on in education right now. (If you're not an educator, this may not make a lot of sense to you. But send it to your friends who are in education. They will love it!)

For all educators in and out of the education system:

1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.

2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time, even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!

3. Talented players will be asked to workout on their own, without instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their instructional time with the athletes who aren't interested in football, have limited athletic ability or whose parents don't like football.

4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th game. This will create a New Age of Sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimum goals. If no child gets ahead, then no child gets left behind. If parents do not like this new law, they are encouraged to vote for vouchers and support private schools that can screen out the non-athletes and prevent their children from having to go to school with bad football players.

[pearson]

Great article in LA Times today:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-feminists2mar02,0,4892434.story

It is sad to see young women who don't see the sexism going on in this campaign, nor the implications on their own lives. There are lots of published articles/studies on how, in college, young women are high achievers, do their homework, attend classes while young men come to class hung over or skip class, turn in sloppy work, do mediocre grades; yet once in the work force, the men will earn more and rise faster through the ranks in companies.

Sadly, that is what we are witnessing in this campaign: Hillary worked hard, put her nose to the grind in the Senate, got experience in the Armed Services Committee and earned the respect of the military, reached out to Republicans, etc. Yet, it is the young, handsome charming man who gets the adulation.

[skc1976]

I have to say, the media has been very careful in their treatment of sexism. If you're not looking for it or just skimming through things, you don't see it happening. That's probably why a lot of young women don't see it. Many younger people skim through things and unless you really look at the words being used, it's easy to miss.

Another thing is that the media doesn't attack Obama on his sexist remarks because they are having a love affair with him. When the love affair goes sour, only then may they hit him on some, but by then it will probably be too late as our nominee probably will be on the verge of being decided. His comments in New Hampshire, but were mentioned in passing media tickers and not much more. Most recently, his jab at Clinton "whining" without saying it I thought was an underhanded attack on her being a woman. But, did the media come down on him? No.

Of course, it's human nature for women to be attracted to a male that has charisma and looks. Personally, I don't find him to be all that handsome at all and the charisma is fading quickly for me. I'm sure that if Hillary Clinton was a beautiful lady around 40, men would be far more attracted to her and what she's saying. Now mind you, I think Hillary is a lovely lady as she is.

Interesting topic though. I really hope that women come through for her in the March 4th states!

[CGP]

Of course, it's human nature for women to be attracted to a male that has charisma and looks. Personally, I don't find him to be all that handsome at all and the charisma is fading quickly for me. I'm sure that if Hillary Clinton was a beautiful lady around 40, men would be far more attracted to her and what she's saying. Now mind you, I think Hillary is a lovely lady as she is.

I actually do find him physically attractive (after all, my partner is a Man of Color! - who supports Obama incidentally :eek:) but I was "under the spell" only momentarily. Well I was never really "under the spell" at all but there was a period (before I really paid attention) where my judgment was somewhat clouded by my perception that he was attractive and "charismatic". Well, as it turns out, the "charisma" has NO substance to it and is rather a personality trait that some people use to lure others into believing things and doing things they otherwise would not! This so-called "charisma" Obama has is a core feature of those with Narcissistic Personalitty Disorder. Without making a diagnosis (!), to me Obama seems very narcissistic.

As for Hillary, I agree that being an older woman disadvantages her in a society which values men over women, and youth over maturity. What is the message here being given to women? That you have to be Miss Universe before we will support you? It's absurd. All that crap aside, and forgetting about Hillary's outstanding political history and resume, I think Hillary has physical appeal. She has a striking look that I find engaging. And my mother is in the same age bracket so maybe I relate to her on that level as well. I think her stylists have done a good job throughout this campaign and I realize they have had to make some tough choices about how to present Hillary (in terms of attire, femininity, masculinity) given how sexist many people in society really are.

[skc1976]

I actually do find him physically attractive (after all, my partner is a Man of Color! - who supports Obama incidentally :eek:) but I was "under the spell" only momentarily. Well I was never really "under the spell" at all but there was a period (before I really paid attention) where my judgment was somewhat clouded by my perception that he was attractive and "charismatic". Well, as it turns out, the "charisma" has NO substance to it and is rather a personality trait that some people use to lure others into believing things and doing things they otherwise would not! This so-called "charisma" Obama has is a core feature of those with Narcissistic Personalitty Disorder. Without making a diagnosis (!), to me Obama seems very narcissistic.

I have nothing against men of color, but for some reason he just doesn't physically appeal to me. I think it's his facial expressions. I hate to compare him to this, but watching his facial expressions at times reminds me of George W. Bush. And then when SNL does the skits, I see it even more.

I would also tend to agree with your non-diagnosis. But watch how you use that. After all, didn't Oprah's protege' get in trouble? LOL

As for Hillary, I agree that being an older woman disadvantages her in a society which values men over women, and youth over maturity. What is the message here being given to women? That you have to be Miss Universe before we will support you? It's absurd. All that crap aside, and forgetting about Hillary's outstanding political history and resume, I think Hillary has physical appeal. She has a striking look that I find engaging. And my mother is in the same age bracket so maybe I relate to her on that level as well. I think her stylists have done a good job throughout this campaign and I realize they have had to make some tough choices about how to present Hillary (in terms of attire, femininity, masculinity) given how sexist many people in society really are.

I definitely agree with what you said about her stylists doing a good job. I've often thought her makeup has looked great, especially for the debates. Very soft but enhancing of her features. And I still think she has the best smile of all the candidates.

It's a good thing she's been wearing pantsuits for some time now, because they do help her in that "masculinity" department. And given the fact that politics is still a man's forum primarily, they help her to mesh in very well. And it's great that in her debates she's kept the colors very muted, but out on the campaign trail, she hits them with some red.

[pearson]

I actually think that if a 40-something attractive woman was running for president with the paper-thin resume that Barack has, she'd be laughed off the stage.

Remember the photo of Obama in his bathing suit that was attracting attention earlier in the year? I'm sure if that had been a female candidate with the equivalent good looks, there would have been a storm of controversy, sexist and demeaning comments.

[CGP]

I actually think that if a 40-something attractive woman was running for president with the paper-thin resume that Barack has, she'd be laughed off the stage.

Precisely. The double standad. Interesting to note that when Bill Clinton became president and Hillary the First Lady she was around the same age that Obama is now. Can you image if Hillary Clinton had tried to run for the presidency at that point in her career/life?!? And yet Obama is being allowed to get away with it...Ah the realities of patriarchy and sexism, phenomenons that so many people (including some women) simply do not recognize and/or do not understand how destructive they are.

[itsourturn]

for Hillary to become president. Here finally was that rare woman who could make it happen.

I was involved in the women's movement in the 1960s and I can't believe that forty years later we are still having this conversation. I'd stupidly assumed that most people's consciousness was raised by now.

You know what it reminds me of? Back in 1870, after women led by Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Stanton had been working for years for the vote, tolerating constant mockery and humiliation, the Congress turned around and gave the vote to black men instead. Women didn't get it til 1920.
Not that voting or the presidency should ever be denied on the basis of race OR gender. But dangit. Hillary's been working for so hard for so long. And she's four times as quallified. And most of the people in this country are women.

So yes where are you all?

[CGP]

Here finally was that rare woman who could make it happen. Hillary's been working for so hard for so long. And she's four times as quallified. And most of the people in this country are women. So yes where are you all?

This is one of the things that bothers me most. That some women - rough guess of about 40 to 50% of those that have voted in democratic primaries - have voted for Obama over Hillary. That astounds me. Given that her qualifications far EXCEED Obama's, it is disturbing that a significant proportion of women are abandoning their own to elevate a man who has NOT earned his place at the table! Obama is getting roughly 80%+ of the black vote, but Clinton is definitely NOT getting 80% of the female vote. In my mind, the fact that so many women are voting for Obama at all suggests that a significant proportion of women are really not identifying what is going on here (sexism, discrimination) and not understanding that their votes for Obama are votes for their own ongoing oppression in a patriarchal and sexist society!

[VoteSmart]

I found this particular article especially compelling ~ for ease, I am reposting a portion of such but encourage you to read the entire contribution by Gloria Steinem to the Times Opinion section:


"Women Are Never Front-Runners"_Highlights:

But what worries me is that he is seen as unifying by his race while she is seen as divisive by her sex.

What worries me is that she is accused of “playing the gender card” when citing the old boys’ club, while he is seen as unifying by citing civil rights confrontations.

This country can no longer afford to choose our leaders from a talent pool limited by sex, race, money, powerful fathers and paper degrees. It’s time to take equal pride in breaking all the barriers. We have to be able to say: “I’m supporting her because she’ll be a great president and because she’s a woman.”


LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html?ex=1200459600&en=b89398531bea1916&ei=5070&emc=eta1

[BloodDAnna]

I hadn't looked at this election from a womans standpoint until I read Robin Morgan's essay. I guess I had become so used to the bias that it went right past me, but her essay opened my eyes.

Being the mom of 2 teenage boys I have always instilled in them that they should judge people on their content and not by their orientation, race, religion or gender because I always believed that they would be the generation of real change in this world. I feel like so many of this generation of first time voters have been failed by their parents because they are buying into the sexism and rhetoric hook line and sinker.

[CGP]

I hadn't looked at this election from a womans standpoint until I read Robin Morgan's essay. I guess I had become so used to the bias that it went right past me, but her essay opened my eyes.

And it's those aspects of sexism and patriarchy which are seemingly invisible (as they have become so "normal") which allow men to continue to receive benefits and advantages over women simply based on their gender. It will only stop when people identify what is happening and take a stand against it!

[CGP]

Robyn Morgan's essay:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=81&highlight=robyn+morgan

[RAFREE]

privilege
a poem for men who don't understand what we mean when we say they have it

D.A. Clarke

reprinted from Banshee, Peregrine Press
Copyright (c) 1981 D. A. Clarke. All Rights Reserved

privilege is simple:
going for a pleasant stroll after dark,
not checking the back of your car as you get in, sleeping soundly,
speaking without interruption, and not remembering
dreams of rape, that follow you all day, that woke you crying, and
privilege
is not seeing your stripped, humiliated body
plastered in celebration across every magazine rack, privilege
is going to the movies and not seeing yourself
terrorized, defamed, battered, butchered
seeing something else

privilege is
riding your bicycle across town without being screamed at or
run off the road, not needing an abortion, taking off your shirt
on a hot day, in a crowd, not wishing you could type better
just in case, not shaving your legs, having a decent job and
expecting to keep it, not feeling the boss's hand up your crotch,
dozing off on late-night busses, privilege
is being the hero in the TV show not the dumb broad,
living where your genitals are totemized not denied,
knowing your doctor won't rape you

privilege is being
smiled at all day by nice helpful women, it is
the way you pass judgment on their appearance with magisterial authority,
the way you face a judge of your own sex in court and
are over-represented in Congress and are not strip searched for a traffic ticket
or used as a dart board by your friendly mechanic, privilege
is seeing your bearded face reflected through the history texts
not only of your high school days but all your life, not being
relegated to a paragraph
every other chapter, the way you occupy
entire volumes of poetry and more than your share of the couch unchallenged,
it is your mouthing smug, atrocious insults at women
who blink and change the subject -- politely -- privilege
is how seldom the rapist's name appears in the papers
and the way you smirk over your PLAYBOY

it's simple really, privilege
means someone else's pain, your wealth
is my terror, your uniform
is a woman raped to death here, or in Cambodia or wherever
wherever your obscene privilege
writes your name in my blood, it's that simple,
you've always had it, that's why it doesn't
seem to make you sick to your stomach,
you have it, we pay for it, now
do you understand

SoCal, I posted this one for you mostly. I wanted people to see what it means when we say this is important and that the rampant sexism against Senator Clinton is a slap in the face to all of us. AND WHY it IS an insult to see people voting for a far less experienced male over a more qualified woman yet again. Especially young women who have benefited from the very hard work of the women before them. It's NOT over. Women around the world are still enslaved, beaten and seen as less than.

At any rate this is an older poem...but, it points out the world I live in, and you live in and why this election is so important to me!!

[Shelley]

I actually think that if a 40-something attractive woman was running for president with the paper-thin resume that Barack has, she'd be laughed off the stage.

This is what I've always thought. One day I tried the mental exercise of pretending he was a white female, and she was a black male in order to test to see if I was supporting her just because a woman. The conclusion I came to was that it was unthinkable. Nobody would dare. They'd tell her to go home and play with her dolls.

[Shelley]

I was involved in the women's movement in the 1960s and I can't believe that forty years later we are still having this conversation. I'd stupidly assumed that most people's consciousness was raised by now.


I think we've totally gone backwards on the issue. Eleanor Roosevelt could have been elected if she had wanted it.

[Shelley]

When I voted at the London Democrats abroad town meeting, and seeing how many people there were Obama supporters, I was sure they must be onto something and that though I voted for Hillary, I was going to have to learn a bit more about him in order to campaign for him, since he was sure to win the nomination. So I bought it book and started to read it on the train ride home. The first of many things that bothered me was on page 10.

"I suspect that some readers may find my presentation of these issues to be insufficiently balanced. To this accusation, I stand guilty as charged. I am a Democrat, after all; my views on most topics correspond more closely to the editorial pages of the New York Times than those of the Wall Street Journal. I am angry about policies that consistently favor the wealthy and powerful over average Americans, and insist that government has an important role in opening up opportunity to all. I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry, and global warming; I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically incorrect, and I am suspicious of using government to impose anybody's religious beliefs--including my own--on nonbelievers. Furthermore, I am a prisoner of my own biography: I can't help but view the American experience through the lens of a black man of mixed heritage, forever mindful of how generations of people who look like me were subjugated and stigmatized, and the subtle and no so subtle ways that race and class continue to shape our lives."

What's missing?

She has been in involved in civil rights almost her whole life. She gave up high payed jobs to do things like that. It would be nice if he'd even made a start at paying her back, by even acknowledging women's rights as an issue.

[Disfranchised]

As for Hillary, I agree that being an older woman disadvantages her in a society which values men over women, and youth over maturity. What is the message here being given to women? That you have to be Miss Universe before we will support you? It's absurd. All that crap aside, and forgetting about Hillary's outstanding political history and resume, I think Hillary has physical appeal. She has a striking look that I find engaging. And my mother is in the same age bracket so maybe I relate to her on that level as well. I think her stylists have done a good job throughout this campaign and I realize they have had to make some tough choices about how to present Hillary (in terms of attire, femininity, masculinity) given how sexist many people in society really are.


I think what is bothering many is that she is a successful, intelligent woman who speaks her mind when they are not. We are living in a country that woman like Martha Stewart go to jail for something a man would not even get a slap for. My grand mother was involved in feminist movements and has made sure each and every one of her grand children being male or female understood that this is a battle that is not won. We do not have equal pay for equal work. The physical violence against woman is still tolerated by greater rate than even robbery, look at the battered woman houses and hear their stories. We are the biggest critic of each other.

[RAFREE]

It has been disheartening to see that they keep throwing up so many non "reasons" to vote for her.

My favorite? "I want a woman president someday, just not this woman"

Really? How ready will she have to be? What must she do? How should she look, dress, appear? What resume should she have? And just what picture of perfection would they require?

This is the most infuriating thing. "She's just not "likable" ?? What does that mean? Do they want her to campaign as a June Cleaver? Would it be enough or would she be deemed "too soft"

It's because she's a woman. Period. I'm sorry but, it just is. That's why trying to reason and argue a point with others based on facts isn't working. They do not seem to want facts. They want to argue something as a cover for the real reason. It's because she's not "him" with the charisma. And if voting for president comes down to this then I am not sure where we fit within this situation.

Everything she has done has been a reason to make her "wrong" Tear up?? Maybe you will not be able to handle world leaders. Even if men presidents have done it to their credit.

Get angry?? You are too shrill, too aggressive, "attacking"

[itsourturn]

RAFREE
Thank you for posting the poem. It may be "older" but it is most apt and relevant today...unfortunately.

[RAFREE]

RAFREE
Thank you for posting the poem. It may be "older" but it is most apt and relevant today...unfortunately.

I wish I did not feel the need to post it anymore. I wish that we were far, far past that. Sexism IS still the last acceptable prejudice and I think this campaign has just been an excuse for long buried hateful realities to surface. I haven't felt this voiceless in years and year....except for when I hear Hillary speak, because I know Obama doesn't have the same struggle she does. I know her work all these years and it would be a relief for once to have a voice like mine in a position of real power...perhaps so my child and grandchildren and yours too wont' ever, ever have to face this again.

I was so struck a few days ago while on "Hillary Speaks For Me" to see this young woman reading Hillary's 1995 speech to the U.N. All along they are saying how "inspirational" obama is. Nothing, I ever heard in my life left a mark on me the way her speech did that day and it STILL shakes me every time I hear it. Why doesn't the media compare that to what Obama is doing now? And perhaps point out that those were her words, spoken against the warning of her own government and the Chinese because it was the RIGHT thing to do, that took courage. That's real inspiration.

[joeysky18]

that most modern women seem to take it for granted.

Please let every woman you know read this lovely story.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/3/172033/6864/376/467454

[RAFREE]

that most modern women seem to take it for granted.

Please let every woman you know read this lovely story.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/3/172033/6864/376/467454

Thank you so much for that link. My great grandmother was part of the suffergette movement for the right to vote. She was still alive when I was little and I remember her telling me so many stories about this. When she was up in her eighties she used to write long letters every single day to President Kennedy about political issues she cared about. He started to write her back pretty frequently, and once sent her a signed picture of he and Jackie ...my sister still has these items.

I so badly want to vote Hillary into that White House! My grandmother LOVED the Clinton's, she was the daughter of the suffergette above.

I burst with pride when I voted in this part of the election for Hillary. She HAS to win the White House!!

[SwiftFox]

Joeysky,
Thanks for the link to the Daily Kos story -- very inspirational. But as we've seen with these campaigns, there's still so much work to be done for women's rights, and I feel galvanized to do more about it.

[CGP]

What's missing?

She has been in involved in civil rights almost her whole life. She gave up high payed jobs to do things like that. It would be nice if he'd even made a start at paying her back, by even acknowledging women's rights as an issue.

And he will not do the latter because he knows he is benefiting from the sexism Clinton faces - his male privilege is helping him score votes. The last thing he will want to do is "empower" women because he knows to do so will potentially cost him this election! That's the insanity of this fiasco! A man truly confident in his candidacy, and truly secure in his being, would not feel threatened by promoting the positive virtues and strenghts of women and would actively draw attention to the barriers they face in society. A true unifier would WANT all groups in society to be elevated and equal and wouldn't just target those groups that enhance one's vote tallies. Not Obama. He's done NOTHING for women's rights and NOTHING for gay/lesbian rights. Oh, and what exactly has he done for the African-American community come to think of it?? And he is being put forward as a potential DEMOCRATIC leader? NO WAY! Since when do Democrats not fight for equality? Since when do Democrats not identity and challenge social injustice and discrimination? I'll tell you when, when Obama "arrives" and tells us all there are no divisions, there are no inequalities, and that we are all simply part of ONE AMERICA. Please...Spare me...

[RAFREE]

And he will not do the latter because he knows he is benefiting from the sexism Clinton faces - his male privilege is helping him score votes. The last thing he will want to do is "empower" women because he knows to do so will potentially cost him this election! That's the insanity of this fiasco! A man truly confident in his candidacy, and truly secure in his being, would not feel threatened by promoting the positive virtues and strenghts of women and would actively draw attention to the barriers they face in society. A true unifier would WANT all groups in society to be elevated and equal and wouldn't just target those groups that enhance one's vote tallies. Not Obama. He's done NOTHING for women's rights and NOTHING for gay/lesbian rights. Oh, and what exactly has he done for the African-American community come to think of it?? And he is being put forward as a potential DEMOCRATIC leader? NO WAY! Since when do Democrats not fight for equality? Since when do Democrats not identity and challenge social injustice and discrimination? I'll tell you when, when Obama "arrives" and tells us all there are no divisions, there are no inequalities, and that we are all simply part of ONE AMERICA. Please...Spare me...

This is precisely WHY I CANNOT vote for him in the G.E. I cannot tell you how irritated I get when someone even suggests that I should join hands if he is the nominee like a good little democrat and suck it up and vote Obama!

That man rode IN on hatred towards this woman AND yes sexism. He himself was part of it when he chose that song in Iowa and refused to apologize for it. That was sexist! And so NO because I've been a democrat all my life but, I've also been an activist for causes I feel are morally right and I will not have my vote pandered after by a man who never stood up when he should have, a man who used a bigoted way to build his "momentum" NO way, not ever, ever will I vote for someone who actually has used something so heinous to gain votes. He disenfranchised me when he went along with this type of thing, when he said "the day of the baby boomer is over" on top of it all!

Oh really? I'm not DONE fighting for causes I believe in obama but, since you don't want to join the boomers and the rest of us all together now...I'll go my own way and write in the name of the only person who fought for me and INCLUDED me!

[CGP]

That man rode IN on hatred towards this woman AND yes sexism... not ever, ever will I vote for someone who actually has used something so heinous to gain votes.

It's always encouraging to realize that other people can see what he's done...

He is the exact opposite of everything he allegedly stands for...

And the irony is that it has been OBAMA, not Clinton, who has run the most negative of campaigns - his entire campaign is rooted in negativity.

[RAFREE]

It's always encouraging to realize that other people can see what he's done...

He is the exact opposite of everything he allegedly stands for...

And the irony is that it has been OBAMA, not Clinton, who has run the most negative of campaigns - his entire campaign is rooted in negativity.

YES!! I get so irritated when the mantra crowd on t.v. and off say she should stop being so negative IF she dares to defend herself OR even put out an ad that is in her favor. It's "she's sooo negative"

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think Obama has narcissistic personality disorder! I knew someone who was diagnosed with this once quite well and he does ALL the same things! Projects what HE is doing on to others, the very charming thing, the being able to lie while appearing to be every so "plausible", the wanting a position without equal experience. I could go on all day but, it's what he does do! And the media repeats what he says like it's all facts..

It can make you crazy dealing with someone like that on a personal level but, on this level??? A whole lot of people are going to be damaged and feel like they are going looney, AND want to pull their hair out till they start comparing notes!! Thank GOD I have people who see what this fool is doing!

[CGP]

Rafree - see #10 post in this thread. I agree with the NPD Dx!

[CGP]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think Obama has narcissistic personality disorder! I knew someone who was diagnosed with this once quite well and he does ALL the same things! Projects what HE is doing on to others, the very charming thing, the being able to lie while appearing to be every so "plausible", the wanting a position without equal experience. I could go on all day but, it's what he does do! And the media repeats what he says like it's all facts..

Sense of ENTITLEMENT. Becomes indignant/haughty when challenged. Arrogant. "Charismatic"/charming. Previous substance use. Nil responsibility. Dishonesty. And this is just an initial list...

Mmmm...within this context, the LS story seems even more plausible. And no surprise that there would be ties with a very shady real estate developer.

[RAFREE]

Sense of ENTITLEMENT. Becomes indignant/haughty when challenged. Arrogant. "Charismatic"/charming. Previous substance use. Nil responsibility. Dishonesty. And this is just an initial list...

Mmmm...within this context, the LS story seems even more plausible. And no surprise that there would be ties with a very shady real estate developer.


The sense of entitlement is huge, as in "oh, I don't care WHAT it does to the party, I'm running NOW whether I have the qualifications or not, whether it splits everyone along all these lines, and I will make the other person *projection* look like they are the one who is "polarizing"

No matter what he does too, it will be someone else's fault. Notice how he cannot EVER take any blame at ALL, hence the "she is attacking me" stance on the ads she runs.

Yep, I KNOW you should not dx someone and I'm not really but, I have lived with someone who had this disorder once, I usually now I can spot one of these emotional vampires a mile and a half away.

The FIRST time I heard him speak my little red flags went up...because of the way he was sooooooo smooth without really saying anything! That overly charming one ...well, something I run from like the plague now.

But yep, this one even had the whole media swooning.

[CGP]

Bump.

[ProHiLL]

I might have missed this thread if not for the bump. I can add only that I thought I was alone in my beliefs that no one else saw what I saw from the very beginning of this election. Thank you for making me feel validated.

[candyrose9460]

come on girls lets me a point.. hillary clinton in nov...........,,,.. lets sick togather

[bernie gagliano]

The only way women who are afraid to stand up and vote for Hillary will be emboldened is when they see a million other women and daughters (and grandmothers) in one huge demonstration.

Get all the national voices for Hillary, the women who have stood up, and then bring all the masses of women together in a demonstration of unity.

Televise it over the internet, and publicize it like no other.

50 states with all the best women already identified as supporters.

Then get Hillary, her mom, Chelsea up there and give her a chance for another historic speech--The Glass Ceiling speech.

With a strong contingent of men there--a silent Chorus, military and political and business leaders.

This would be the Glass Ceiling March of One Million.

[G4Hillary]

Bernie,

A march is a great idea for Hillary.

"The Glass Ceiling March"

[AdrienneJ]

for Hillary to become president. Here finally was that rare woman who could make it happen.

I was involved in the women's movement in the 1960s and I can't believe that forty years later we are still having this conversation. I'd stupidly assumed that most people's consciousness was raised by now.

You know what it reminds me of? Back in 1870, after women led by Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Stanton had been working for years for the vote, tolerating constant mockery and humiliation, the Congress turned around and gave the vote to black men instead. Women didn't get it til 1920.
Not that voting or the presidency should ever be denied on the basis of race OR gender. But dangit. Hillary's been working for so hard for so long. And she's four times as quallified. And most of the people in this country are women.

So yes where are you all?

-----------------


Yes, I have thought about this as well. One fun fact I just wanted to share with you. A great man, Fredrick Douglas, worked with the suffragettes trying to get women and black men the vote. Douglas, a black man, when offered the possibility of black men being given the vote when women did not, balked.
He felt loyalty to the suffragettes and had reservations about dividing their common interests by the men getting the vote while the women still would not. Prominent suffragettes counseled him to go forward and take the opportunity to secure the vote for the African American men. They wanted to make every progress forward that they could in their commitment to equality for all people in our country.

So, I have this to say.

Gentlemen, It's time to return the favor.

This time: Ladies First.

Clinton is the best candidate. She has the qualifications, the experience, and the heart to make us all shine. We all have common interests, let's choose the right person for the job.

[tcbwriter]

The sense of entitlement is huge, as in "oh, I don't care WHAT it does to the party, I'm running NOW whether I have the qualifications or not, whether it splits everyone along all these lines, and I will make the other person *projection* look like they are the one who is "polarizing"

No matter what he does too, it will be someone else's fault. Notice how he cannot EVER take any blame at ALL, hence the "she is attacking me" stance on the ads she runs.

Yep, I KNOW you should not dx someone and I'm not really but, I have lived with someone who had this disorder once, I usually now I can spot one of these emotional vampires a mile and a half away.

The FIRST time I heard him speak my little red flags went up...because of the way he was sooooooo smooth without really saying anything! That overly charming one ...well, something I run from like the plague now.

But yep, this one even had the whole media swooning.
I actually had a "friend" tell me yesterday that if Obama loses to McCain in November she will blame Hillary (because she isn't getting out of the race for the "good of the party").

I suggested she was lining up her excuses now because, were he to get the nomination, there would be no doubt that he'd lose in November (I really believe that now) - and when that happens I will blame her and her fellow cult members for the Democrats losing the White House AGAIN.

[CGP]

I actually had a "friend" tell me yesterday that if Obama loses to McCain in November she will blame Hillary (because she isn't getting out of the race for the "good of the party").

I suggested she was lining up her excuses now because, were he to get the nomination, there would be no doubt that he'd lose in November (I really believe that now) - and when that happens I will blame her and her fellow cult members for the Democrats losing the White House AGAIN.

Good work.

Obama should drop out of the race now for the good of the party. He is being exceptionally divisive, using the "race" and "gender" cards to inflate his popularity.

[Laura Cereta]

I have wondered what's up with some of the women, too, but when I really start to think about it, it doesn't surprise me. I believe that the female gender is not immune to the not-so-subtle gender bias that becomes deeply ingrained in us all through the socialization process. Think about it! From the moment a person leaves the womb, they are introduced to ideas about their own gender (they are wrapped up in pink or blue).

Sadly, I've noticed that women are sometimes the worst enemy of other women. Even way back in elementary school, boys tease girls, but girls start learning to be petty, mean, and even cruel with other girls. When a woman's boyfriend/husband/significant other cheats on them, they blame the other woman. I certainly wouldn't be friends with her, but BLAME HIM!
Women can often be catty and bitchy with each other as we gossip with the attempt of tearing each other down, or worse we compete for the affections of some man.

What does this have to do with the election? Well, the sad phenomena of women hating on other women seems to be playing out at some extent on the national level. It's not all bad news, though. It's common knowledge that Sen. Clinton is at her best in a primary when she is able to connect with large groups of women. Those of us who are women need to concentrate on connecting with other women, as well, when we are out and about and making the case for why we support Hillary Clinton.

I don't want to make this primary election sound like some "victim sweepstakes" between blacks and women... however, the fact is that women have been the most consistently oppressed group of people in history and ARE STILL the most wide-spread oppressed group throughout the world. Breaking the highest and tallest glass ceiling sure would be a great message to the rest of the world. Let's keep working together to accomplish it!

[VoteSmart]

....I am So impressed with the feedback on this Site, on this Forum....!!

That said, have you had to persuade your female family/friends/undecided to consider, to vote Clinton -OR- are those women in your life just like yourself - strong, decisive, savvy, informed, kitchen-to-corporate capable, diverse.....?

Please share your story here....and continue to share the message:

Women are The Rock in many relationships and often subtly lead for the best of all. It's this nuance, this significant difference, which is lost on the blind masses - Remember, every step is a statement.....let's walk in step with one another.....

[tcbwriter]

I have wondered what's up with some of the women, too, but when I really start to think about it, it doesn't surprise me. I believe that the female gender is not immune to the not-so-subtle gender bias that becomes deeply ingrained in us all through the socialization process. Think about it! From the moment a person leaves the womb, they are introduced to ideas about their own gender (they are wrapped up in pink or blue).

Sadly, I've noticed that women are sometimes the worst enemy of other women. Even way back in elementary school, boys tease girls, but girls start learning to be petty, mean, and even cruel with other girls. When a woman's boyfriend/husband/significant other cheats on them, they blame the other woman. I certainly wouldn't be friends with her, but BLAME HIM!
Women can often be catty and bitchy with each other as we gossip with the attempt of tearing each other down, or worse we compete for the affections of some man.

What does this have to do with the election? Well, the sad phenomena of women hating on other women seems to be playing out at some extent on the national level. It's not all bad news, though. It's common knowledge that Sen. Clinton is at her best in a primary when she is able to connect with large groups of women. Those of us who are women need to concentrate on connecting with other women, as well, when we are out and about and making the case for why we support Hillary Clinton.

I don't want to make this primary election sound like some "victim sweepstakes" between blacks and women... however, the fact is that women have been the most consistently oppressed group of people in history and ARE STILL the most wide-spread oppressed group throughout the world. Breaking the highest and tallest glass ceiling sure would be a great message to the rest of the world. Let's keep working together to accomplish it!
Amen sister!

[handymanhdw]

If he is the nominee and wins, there will no doubt be four more years of exactly what Bush has done, Nothing. nothing at all for the working class! We need a woman to repair the damage that has been done! We need more white male supporters as myself!!!! LADIES TALK TO YOUR HUSBANDS!!! PUT THEM ON NOTICE!! What's the matter with these guys!!!

[AdrienneJ]

I have wondered what's up with some of the women, too, but when I really start to think about it, it doesn't surprise me. I believe that the female gender is not immune to the not-so-subtle gender bias that becomes deeply ingrained in us all through the socialization process. Think about it! From the moment a person leaves the womb, they are introduced to ideas about their own gender (they are wrapped up in pink or blue).

Sadly, I've noticed that women are sometimes the worst enemy of other women. Even way back in elementary school, boys tease girls, but girls start learning to be petty, mean, and even cruel with other girls. When a woman's boyfriend/husband/significant other cheats on them, they blame the other woman. I certainly wouldn't be friends with her, but BLAME HIM!
Women can often be catty and bitchy with each other as we gossip with the attempt of tearing each other down, or worse we compete for the affections of some man.

What does this have to do with the election? Well, the sad phenomena of women hating on other women seems to be playing out at some extent on the national level. It's not all bad news, though. It's common knowledge that Sen. Clinton is at her best in a primary when she is able to connect with large groups of women. Those of us who are women need to concentrate on connecting with other women, as well, when we are out and about and making the case for why we support Hillary Clinton.

I don't want to make this primary election sound like some "victim sweepstakes" between blacks and women... however, the fact is that women have been the most consistently oppressed group of people in history and ARE STILL the most wide-spread oppressed group throughout the world. Breaking the highest and tallest glass ceiling sure would be a great message to the rest of the world. Let's keep working together to accomplish it!


You know, I'm a lawyer. And I attended Oxford for the International Human Rights Law program. And I studied with Rhadika Coomeraswame who was shortly to become Special Rapoteur on Violence Against Women for the United Nation. Let me tell you what you all already know either factually or intuitively, women are constantly on the bottom rung of human rights.

Have a village that's being destroyed? Environmentally devastated by corporate greed and ignorance? Who's hit hardest? The women. I won't go into the incredibly ugly conditions that women are forced to live in around the globe. We all know what happens to women.

I have thought of saying this often... It is simply to quote what John Lennon said: "woman is the ****** of the world." I know that's politically charged because of the word. However, it also sadly happens to be true.

[smharley for Hillary]

I have been sitting here reading all the threads, everyone agrees yet we still have this disconnect. I wrote a blog several months ago begging all women in America to support Hillary, that this is their chance to stand up and be counted. so why aren't the women hearign me, hearing us. I am a male in my 50s, why should I be supporting a woman to be my president? Because she is the most qualified, because she cares more then any other candidate, because she has been there and back many times and yes BECAUSE she is a woman. If the house is dirty who cleans it? If there is a family crisis who jumps in and calms everything? If the "man" of the house can't work who goes out and works two or three jobs to keep the home steady? So I say to all women to every American our house is a mess, who should we send to clean it up? Think about it ladies and gentlemen...people had better start using their heads before it's too late.

[JoMiller]

...BECAUSE she is a woman. If the house is dirty who cleans it? If there is a family crisis who jumps in and calms everything? If the "man" of the house can't work who goes out and works two or three jobs to keep the home steady? So I say to all women to every American our house is a mess, who should we send to clean it up? Think about it ladies and gentlemen...people had better start using their heads before it's too late.

Thank you, smharley! What a lovely quote! If Obama were caucasian, we wouldn't be hearing about him. If Obama were an African-American woman, we wouldn't be hearing about him.

I am soooo afraid the average American is unwilling to elect a woman to the presidency -- anything she says is given a negative spin. She's a BITCH! She's COLD! She's a WOMAN!

Stand up America! It's time to "clean the house!"

[tcbwriter]

You know, I'm a lawyer. And I attended Oxford for the International Human Rights Law program. And I studied with Rhadika Coomeraswame who was shortly to become Special Rapoteur on Violence Against Women for the United Nation. Let me tell you what you all already know either factually or intuitively, women are constantly on the bottom rung of human rights.

What? You are supporting Hillary and you aren't an uneducated "blue collar worker" living in the country? Tell me Russert, Matthews et al - how can that be?? :D

[Ijane]

Well, according Obama's campaign advisers, this is why the women aren't voting for Hillary:

Rolling Stone Magazine(2007)

There is an amazingly candid moment in Obama's autobiography when he writes of his childhood discomfort at the way his mother would sexualize African-American men. "More than once," he recalls, "my mother would point out: 'Harry Belafonte is the best-looking man on the planet.' " What the focus groups his advisers conducted revealed was that Obama's political career now depends, in some measure, upon a tamer version of this same feeling, on the complicated dynamics of how white women respond to a charismatic black man.

[samkm]

yeh, he learned all the wrong things and putting it to all the wrong uses... and UNDOING A GREAT MANY GENERATIONS OF GOOD WORK.

STOP HIM... NOW!! ENOUGH ALREADY!! Dont let him manipulate you. Show how ugly he really is. Ugliness is inside this guy and all around him in his circle of friends!

Unveil the charisma: http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=13825#post13825

[Emy4H]

hi! im new here and i just wanted to tell you that i agree with you!!! i used to be a 24 year old republican girl but since the republican party and the media imposed us MacCain as the only option... i was so dissapointed... i do not like him at all he is to fake and a big flip floper.... i have to admit that i always have admired Hillary!! she is so great and as a woman i feel so excited that she is running for president... even though i disagree with 2 of her ideas: im pro-life, and i dont like illegal inmigration... please dont hate me for it because other than that i love her!! im planning as you said on supporting Hillary as a fellow woman!! i personally cant stand Obama he is a threat for this country.... and i agree with you the media has been so sexist and unfair with Hillary favoring Obama... even some woman voting for him... because...??? i cant believe that some people are voting for him only because he is africanamerican, he is brainwashing alot of women and thats sad and makes me upset... so im going to support Hillary from now and on and i will tell my other girlfriends to do the same!!! we have to stop this Obama person.... he is just like MacCain fake and full of lies... i hope America wakes up and sees him for who he really is!! go Hillary!! i would be apporting a small donation... im not rich but i would try to do my part!! keep the good work in this website!!

[Optixmom]

hi! im new here and i just wanted to tell you that i agree with you!!! i used to be a 24 year old republican girl but since the republican party and the media imposed us MacCain as the only option... i was so dissapointed... i do not like him at all he is to fake and a big flip floper.... i have to admit that i always have admired Hillary!! she is so great and as a woman i feel so excited that she is running for president... even though i disagree with 2 of her ideas: im pro-life, and i dont like illegal inmigration... please dont hate me for it because other than that i love her!! im planning as you said on supporting Hillary as a fellow woman!! i personally cant stand Obama he is a threat for this country.... and i agree with you the media has been so sexist and unfair with Hillary favoring Obama... even some woman voting for him... because...??? i cant believe that some people are voting for him only because he is africanamerican, he is brainwashing alot of women and thats sad and makes me upset... so im going to support Hillary from now and on and i will tell my other girlfriends to do the same!!! we have to stop this Obama person.... he is just like McCain fake and full of lies... i hope America wakes up and sees him for who he really is!! go Hillary!! i would be apporting a small donation... im not rich but i would try to do my part!! keep the good work in this website!!

From one conservative female Republican for Hillary to another...Welcome! Hillary has shown time and time again that she will work hard for the issues that she believes in. I have always loved her because she is a hardworking professional Mother. Nose-to-the-grindstone kind of gal!

We all have our different issues that are important to us regarding why we vote for Hillary. I am not here to judge your reasons, and I would hope you will return the favor. There are more Republican females out there just like us that will vote for Hillary in the GE. I know of at least a dozen from my Church alone. I cannot wait until November with her as the Democratic Nominee!

[hipelayne]

that most modern women seem to take it for granted.

Please let every woman you know read this lovely story.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/3/172033/6864/376/467454

Thank you so much for this article - I just read it and had to forward it on to my daughters, my sister and my friends! I'm not sure if this article had anything to do with it, but for the past three days I have had laryngitis, a few minutes after I read the article my voice came back!!! Coincidence? I think not ......... :)

[YesSheCan]

My take is that people, both men and women, think it would be cool to have a black president and also that Washington women and that high society want to play their games and genuflect to the high leader who has a normal marriage they can relate to and have their tea parties. They can't imagine genuflecting to a woman, especially Hillary because she is a new kind of woman. And how are they to treat Bill? They want to maintain their idea of hierarchy and their elite groups, but to be inclusive of a Harvard man with black skin as a way of assuaging their white guilt but not having to worry about faux pas that somebody like Jesse Jackson might make. Hillary is like the Jesse Jackson of women. She is short, she is of the people, and she challenges their need to serve men.

[Cooney]

Power in numbers is usless unless you use it.

[ALL4HILLARY]

Let Have An Organize Movement To Get All Women In Comming States

[ActionJackson]

America wants change?

How 'bout the first TWO-LEGGED President we've ever had a chance to elect?

BO is just more of the same...that third leg will get him in trouble everytime... it's the "alpha-male" syndrome.

[ActionJackson]

Thank you so much for this article - I just read it and had to forward it on to my daughters, my sister and my friends! I'm not sure if this article had anything to do with it, but for the past three days I have had laryngitis, a few minutes after I read the article my voice came back!!! Coincidence? I think not ......... :)


What if women today did such a thing? Could we organize? All across this nation?

Could we stand in the street, with sheets containing Hillary's proposals? Never budging? Never giving in? Rain, heat, day-in, day-out?

As Alice Paul said, the sidewalk is public property. If the authorities in my town made an issue of it, I'd go to jail to defend my principles. Do you think many women would stand so soundly for their sisters? Could we have passionate group so dedicated as these women who suffered so much? We could even dress in period costume and bring a living history aspect to it all across America.

What if...

It would give media coverage to Hillary that she can't get right now. It would be affordable to her cause he is out spending her. It would be attention getting.

What if...?

[CarolNYC]

This notion that Hillary should drop out for the good of the party is nuts. I don't dislike Obama, though I think he's not tough enough to go against the Republican onslaught that is sure to come. This is especially true when it comes to some of his past associations. I also don't think his healthcare plan will cover everyone while Hillary's does. Healthcare cannot be a privilege for the few that can afford it; it must be a right for all Americans.

BTW, this is my first post here... looks like a cool place to hang out! :)

[El Cuco]

I have been looking forward to march for Hillary somewhere ( at this point it doesn't matter where, but I though Philadelphia because they are voting next and it's an important place in our country history) for Women History Month. I posted the idea on her website and send messages to the headquarters. Never got a response. I think a HUGE March protesting the FL and MI situation and the bias media would attract lots of attention. I have donated and blog non stop, even spent 4 days in Texas, I have no clue what else to do?

[Cooney]

All you have to do is look around the world to know this. All you have do is look in your local town or county, to see who is the most underpriviledged. Women are still sold into slavery. In war, women are not only killed, but raped as the spoils of war. I am really sick of all this race talk. Why is no one speaking on the state of women in the US and world. Women who don't raise this issue, shame on you.

[hipelayne]

What if women today did such a thing? Could we organize? All across this nation?

Could we stand in the street, with sheets containing Hillary's proposals? Never budging? Never giving in? Rain, heat, day-in, day-out?

As Alice Paul said, the sidewalk is public property. If the authorities in my town made an issue of it, I'd go to jail to defend my principles. Do you think many women would stand so soundly for their sisters? Could we have passionate group so dedicated as these women who suffered so much? We could even dress in period costume and bring a living history aspect to it all across America.

What if...

It would give media coverage to Hillary that she can't get right now. It would be affordable to her cause he is out spending her. It would be attention getting.

What if...?

Hmmmmmm ..... what an interesting thought!!!! I had a crazy dream during the Texas and Ohio elections that millions of Hillary supporters were standing hand in hand from the most southern part of Texas to the most northern part of Ohio! How awesome it would be eh if that could be true?

[Thekla]

You know what really, really bothers me? One of the biggest arguments against giving women the vote in the first place was that they would vote for the most "charming" and most "Handsome" candidate instead of the most qualified!!

Women PLEASE!! Don't fall for Mr. Charm...it never works out the way you think it will does it?? And the most charming ones are always the biggest jerks!

We know it all too well and, like all stereotypes, that one has little basis in fact. Women support Clinton over Obama by a good 2-to-1 margin. Obama supporters tend to be male by about the same margins.
Male supporters of Obama, as were male supporters of Bush in 1999, seem only able to cite his "likability" and "guy you'd like to have a beer with" factor. I've yet to see an Obama supporter point to any specific issue or policy he's actually stronger on. All they have is Iraq, and they thick-headedly ignore the fact that he
1. wasn't in the Senate yet when the Iraq resolution was on the floor in 2002,
2. said "there's not much difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage" on Meet the Press in 2004, and
3. has voted the same as Clinton on every Iraq-related appropriations bill that's crossed his desk.
Just try pounding those points into the iron-clad skull of a male Obama supporter. It can't be done. Without that delusion, they have nothing to cling to but his "likability," which is also a delusion; From all accounts I've seen and read about, Obama's a smug, aloof, self-aggrandizing jerk and Hillary's quite the kick in the pants.

[hobbitt]

Well, according Obama's campaign advisers, this is why the women aren't voting for Hillary:

Rolling Stone Magazine(2007)

There is an amazingly candid moment in Obama's autobiography when he writes of his childhood discomfort at the way his mother would sexualize African-American men. "More than once," he recalls, "my mother would point out: 'Harry Belafonte is the best-looking man on the planet.'


Harry on Obama in Jan 2007:

And Harry Belafonte, the calypso singer who became an influential civil rights activist, said America needed to be “careful” about Obama: “We don’t know what he’s truly about.”

“He’s a young man in many ways to be admired,” Belafonte said. “Obviously very bright, speaks very well, cuts a handsome figure. But all of that is just the king’s clothes. Who’s the king?”

[hillary4change]

Here Here Harry...A man that has integrity and understands the need to vet a candidate!!! I always liked Harry. Not for the reasons bo mom stated. He was always cautious and calm cerebral.

[CGP]

Reviving this hot topic!

[Monica]

If we women can't come together under Hillary, we deserve the government we end up with.

[Rickie331]

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for every woman EVERYWHERE who ever had a dream! I too cannot fathom the appeal of this flowery talking male who just came out of nowhere to say he is like "JFK" (NOT)-so many women are treating this man as if he were the Second Coming. Well he is coming alright but not that way-he comes with forked tongue when he distances himself from a Pastor, "like an Uncle", who baptized his kids and officiated at his marriage yet he attended closely the church services and surely knew his Mentor's beliefs and heard his words. To keep positive, I have waited all my life for someone like Hillary to lead us forward, for this USA to break through the glass ceiling and actually support a woman leader full-stop! Obama is not ready to lead. She is ready to lead on Day One. So let us all drop this infatuation some seem to have for BMO and support one of our own! Vote Hillary! Please. I simply cannot support this man and I will not vote for him, no matter what!

[memphis]

Good letter to women of America. What are we waiting on. This is the best that it gets. Nobody could be better than Hillary as a President.

Must slightly disagree about Obama. I do not consider him a fine person. He has way too many character flaws. I do not consider him attractive. He is too tall, too skinny, big ears and purple lips and can't bowl and does not fit in with regular people.

[Cooney]

If young women are not seeing the sexism now with the media, they are brain dead. She is edging into his youth base, and it is probably the young women. Now if AA women would also start looking we could lock this up.

[nette60]

Good letter to women of America. What are we waiting on. This is the best that it gets. Nobody could be better than Hillary as a President.

Must slightly disagree about Obama. I do not consider him a fine person. He has way too many character flaws. I do not consider him attractive. He is too tall, too skinny, big ears and purple lips and can't bowl and does not fit in with regular people.

I don't find anything attractive about him either, Plus he is a chain smoker

[Hillarysmygirl08]

I am also a lover of black men and to be honest he is one unattractive biracial man. Good Lord those ears I always think of Dumbo. So no he does nothing for me and if he ever wanted to kiss me I would slap his face.

[BlackVelvet]

I think many of the younger women aren't supporting Hillary because they don't understand where women have been, where we are and where we could be again. The things they take for granted like readily available birth control, abortion rights and the laws against sexual discrimination have been handed to them on a platter. They didn't have to work and fight for them as many of us did.

While I don't think it's all that unusual for people to take for granted that which they didn't have to fight for, I find it very disheartening.

Our greatest challenge for women's rights now might be bringing young women into the fold....expanding their understanding of what it took to get where we are and how quickly it could be lost.

[kathie2ark]

I think most of us will agree that the one glaring lesson we've leared this campaign is that the Democratic party, of which we make up about 50%, is our party as long as we sit down and shut up. I will never get over or forgive Howard Dean's stunning silence as Hillary was openly and visciously subjected to blatant media sexism. Had the same treatment been lodged at Obama in racial terms, heads would have rolled in all directions.

We have just learned how far we've not come baby. I went today and changed my part affiliation to Independent. I think the next thing Howard Dean and the committee that just threw Hillary under the bus should hear is the giant sucking sound of all of us leaving.

I can and will vote for McCain. At least I have 30 years of public life I can look to and know that he is not perfect, but I do believe he is an honest man and he will, like Hillary, be able to gain the trust and respect of the world on day one. With a Democratic majority in the house and senate he'll be held in check, but he already has a track record of working with Democrats. Obama I believe to my core is a flawed and dishonest man, I cannot vote for him just because today he wears a Democratic coat.

I truly hope Hillary merely suspends her campaign, because at the rate Obama's dirty laundry is falling off of the truck she may yet have a chance to step in. [/B]

[Hillarysmygirl08]

A lot of African Americans vote race over gender and I respect that because I understand it and yes if it werent Hillary I would be, God Forbid, a kool aid drinker because for me and millions of other African Americans RACE trumps GENDER it has always been like that and for us that is the reason why we find ourselves seperated from the Woman's movement. We feel as though the women in the woman's movement don't understand that there is that pull. If anything good comes out of this race perhaps women can understand that and heal that rift with African American females. I understand why African American women go with him and that reason is this When people see me they do not see my gender first they see my race. That is how it is and how it will always be. Now why African American women are not speaking up about the media bias against Hillary is unacceptable. That is something I am working on. Gender Bias is very new to me so please be patient I am usually a Civil Rights activist but NOT NOW.

[alittle]

I think most of us will agree that the one glaring lesson we've leared this campaign is that the Democratic party, of which we make up about 50%, is our party as long as we sit down and shut up. I will never get over or forgive Howard Dean's stunning silence as Hillary was openly and visciously subjected to blatant media sexism. Had the same treatment been lodged at Obama in racial terms, heads would have rolled in all directions.

We have just learned how far we've not come baby. I went today and changed my part affiliation to Independent. I think the next thing Howard Dean and the committee that just threw Hillary under the bus should hear is the giant sucking sound of all of us leaving.

I can and will vote for McCain. At least I have 30 years of public life I can look to and know that he is not perfect, but I do believe he is an honest man and he will, like Hillary, be able to gain the trust and respect of the world on day one. With a Democratic majority in the house and senate he'll be held in check, but he already has a track record of working with Democrats. Obama I believe to my core is a flawed and dishonest man, I cannot vote for him just because today he wears a Democratic coat.

I truly hope Hillary merely suspends her campaign, because at the rate Obama's dirty laundry is falling off of the truck she may yet have a chance to step in. [/B]
thank you for expressing exactly what I believe!! I live in DC and attended the Rules Meeting a week or so ago. I was struck by the tone of the DNC leaders. These folks are not interested in feminism and will not further feminism as long as they are in control. I am a lesbian, and I also think they are not interested in gays. Obama is making all sorts of promises to gays, but I believe he has no intention of following through with them because to do so would alienate his Trinity church-going base. Obama is about furthering Obama - that's all. Not only is he throwing women underneath the truck, but he is also throwing gays there, too - right after their checks clear the bank. This man who claims to be a unifier is actually a real divider of people.

[wildheart4mcpalin]

sexism is alive and well and sanctioned by the DNC. And BO is NOT for gay rights. His action (or non action) speaks way louder than his stinky vapid words.

[santafegal]

Obama is making all sorts of promises to gays, but I believe he has no intention of following through with them because to do so would alienate his Trinity church-going base. Obama is about furthering Obama - that's all. Not only is he throwing women underneath the truck, but he is also throwing gays there, too - right after their checks clear the bank. This man who claims to be a unifier is actually a real divider of people.

I shudder to think what will transpire for the LGBT community if BO is elected.

[Christines]

When I was calling as a Hillary supporter, and talked to women all over the US, the interesting thing, is the number of women that said they didn't believe a woman should be president! Some women have bought into the idea that women are too emotional and weak to take on a job of such responsibility! I believe that some women have low self esteem! They feel intimidated by a strong, intelligent woman! Many men have the same problem!

On the other hand, it was also interesting that many women of all ages told me it was now time for a woman! They were excited to vote for Hillary.

I didn't have one man or woman tell me that they didn't think an African American should be president! Some may have had that thought but they were much more willing to tell me a women shouldn't be president then an African American!

What does that say about our culture?!

[CA Girl]

Thank you so much for this site. The forum is a wonderful gathering place for us Hillary folks now. I am so used to my blogs not showing up on the original Hillary site that I find this amazing :)
Great site, love reading all the blogs
Thanks a million!!

[neophyter]

I didn't have one man or woman tell me that they didn't think an African American should be president! Some may have had that thought but they were much more willing to tell me a women shouldn't be president then an African American!

What does that say about our culture?!

[/SIZE]

It says that African Americans have come a long way, but women haven't! :(

[seeker]

A lot of African Americans vote race over gender and I respect that because I understand it and yes if it werent Hillary I would be, God Forbid, a kool aid drinker because for me and millions of other African Americans RACE trumps GENDER it has always been like that and for us that is the reason why we find ourselves seperated from the Woman's movement. We feel as though the women in the woman's movement don't understand that there is that pull. If anything good comes out of this race perhaps women can understand that and heal that rift with African American females. I understand why African American women go with him and that reason is this When people see me they do not see my gender first they see my race. That is how it is and how it will always be. Now why African American women are not speaking up about the media bias against Hillary is unacceptable. That is something I am working on. Gender Bias is very new to me so please be patient I am usually a Civil Rights activist but NOT NOW.

Well, I'm old, and I've fought for both, and to date Gender has always been the loser. If BO does zip for women I will gladly eat these words. (I wish all the modern day minority females had been around when we were fighting hard to get Shirley Chisholm elected.) Then again, I wish they could also have experienced the conditions we did as women so they could fully understand what we DID accomplish back then.

[DaddysDarlin]

:(I am absolutely appalled at the treatment our girl has had to suffer through during this campaign.

To call her a bitch and have not one person come to her defense, or simply to say hey guys, that kind of language isn't welcomed here, but nothing.

I don't understand how BO can have even one follower, but then again, I have never voted for the most popular, I have always voted for the most qualified.

I will never understand how a man who has engaged in cocaine use, questionable business practices Ala Resko, his involvement in the Trinity Church, that alone should set off all kinds of bells and whistles, yet nothing this man has engaged in now or in the recent past seems to matter.

Am I to believe that everyone who is voting for BO has not even checked out his voting record, listened to him call our servicemen and women terrorists, blame the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks, blame our government for giving the black population aids. Am I to believe that they have not done one bit of homework on this man?

If all they are relying on is the news then yes, they have a new messiah, but the average American wants to be informed about the issues facing our country today, wants a candidate who views things our way, we want a candidate with character, a candidate who can hold their head up high and say: yes, I am who you need to lead our country, someone who is prepared to tell us exactly how they are going to get things done.

We want someone to lead us whose beliefs are at least close to our own and the trinity church is not anywhere near close to my beliefs.

I want a leader whose political ties are not those that are criminals, not racists, not sexist, not homophobic, and not BO.

I will never vote for a man who is so narcissistic, he thinks that he can just take Hillary's 18 million votes, well here's one you will never get BO.

I honestly believe that Hillary knows what is to come for BO, I believe that the shit is going to hit the fan, sooner than later. I believe that when Hillary only suspended her campaign and kept hold of her delegates, she knew of something yet to come.

Hillary is one smart woman, she was forced to give that speech, why I do not know, but I think we all will soon enough. I wish to heck the Republicans would release the MO tape and then I would love to see the looks on BO's supporters faces, when they find out for the millionth time, what kind of character this man and woman possess.

They are corrupt, no question in my mind, BO has done some dirty dealings and I believe that we are going to find out exactly what they are soon enough.

Resko decided to go to prison rather than stay out until Sept. 1, why? He is talking, that is the only reason a man like him would choose jail over his freedom, he singing like a canary. He needs the protection of the feds while he spills his guts to try to save himself. BO could be going down with him, and it would be well deserved.

OK, now that I have raved on and on. I like the rest of you am passionate about Hillary Clinton, and I believe with all my heart that she should and perhaps still will be our next President. Hillary loves this country, BO is out to destroy her. Hillary Clinton 2008!!!

18 million cant be wrong!!!!!

[CGP]

This thread is attracting a lot of attention today...Most of the 700+ online now are viewing this thread...

The original posting of this letter was made back in March. It's interesting to look book and read my responses back then. My views have hardened even more so since that time. In hindsight, my comments about BO back then seem far too lenient. My analysis now, after 2 more months of exposure to his reckless and abusive campaign, is significantly more harsh than it was back in March. And justifiably so.

I also think the person who wrote this letter gave BO credit where none is due.

Hillary is the only viable option for the Democrats to win in November. Without her, they can kiss goodbye to this election and they best get ready for another 4 years of GOP rule.

[joeysky18]

How much things have changed since February?

For me, I have transformed from BO neutral to BO allergic. Think about the next 4 months, how many more people will change after they know BO better?

[Alex01]

I actually do find him physically attractive...but I was "under the spell" only momentarily. Well I was never really "under the spell" at all but there was a period (before I really paid attention) where my judgment was somewhat clouded by my perception that he was attractive and "charismatic".

The same thing happened to me (I'm a woman), but the spell was broken the moment he uttered, "You're likeable enough." I could see through him starting at that moment. Since then, he looks like a total conman to me.

This so-called "charisma" Obama has is a core feature of those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Without making a diagnosis (!), to me Obama seems very narcissistic.

It is also part of the sociopathic personality - both suit him to a "T".

[CGP]

The same thing happened to me (I'm a woman), but the spell was broken the moment he uttered, "You're likeable enough." I could see through him starting at that moment. Since then, he looks like a total conman to me.

Yes, I think once the illusion is broken and reality sets in, there is no turning back. Once the fraud is exposed, it cannot be denied. My analysis of Obama and his actions is now viewed solely within this context - narcissism.

[CGP]

How much things have changed since February?

For me, I have transformed from BO neutral to BO allergic. Think about the next 4 months, how many more people will change after they know BO better?

Exactly. I went from BO curious to BO neutral to BO allergic. A gradual but marked deterioration in my view of this candidate - correlating directly with an increase in knoweldge and understanding about him and his behavior, and a refusal to accept the propoganda spewed out by the media daily.

[ZY123]

As for Hillary, I agree that being an older woman disadvantages her in a society which values men over women, and youth over maturity. What is the message here being given to women? That you have to be Miss Universe before we will support you? It's absurd.

Realistically speaking the men (and women! - I should be fair) that didn't support Hillary because she was a woman also wouldn't support a Miss Universe type. However, their reasoning would be different. This time they would say she was too dumb to be supported. After all in this society it seems a woman can't be good looking and smart. As someone who has experienced this latter type of sexism I can say it's just as bad as the former. In this case you have to try to dress down and look more ordinary.

The sexist views in America reach far and wide.

Obama's rise is an illustration of many of the key issues holding America back today.....it's sad to look at other countries and see how far they've progressed in regards to these same issues in comparison to the lack of progression here.

[neophyter]

Well, I'm old, and I've fought for both, and to date Gender has always been the loser. If BO does zip for women I will gladly eat these words. (I wish all the modern day minority females had been around when we were fighting hard to get Shirley Chisholm elected.) Then again, I wish they could also have experienced the conditions we did as women so they could fully understand what we DID accomplish back then.

I posed that question to a group of minority women on another forum I belonged to. Their answer was that white women were women; they were black first. There was a long litany of why that was so... beginning with the fact that white women weren't enslaved like their forebears were, or didn't have to raise their families alone AND work like their grandmothers did. It went on and on. But mainly, they wanted to raise up the image of black men to hold up as a source of pride for their husbands, sons and brothers.

Most all of what they said was their truth, but that they would slavishly follow a man just because of his skin color seemed sad to me... especially a morally-lost narcissist like BO. Is that a good example for their boys and men? No arguing with them... they didn't want to discuss.

[CGP]

Obama's rise is an illustration of many of the key issues holding America back today.....it's sad to look at other countries and see how far they've progressed in regards to these same issues in comparison to the lack of progression here.

Very true. And so ironic. BO is presented as the "progressive" and "contemporary" candidate...But in actual fact his racist, sexist, and abusive campaign has cause untold damage to the Democractic Party and highlighted glaring cracks in the fabric of American society.

[indigo]

I don't know which women's group took out the full page ad in USA today....but it was very effective. I think we need to contact them and do something similar.

[CGP]

I don't know which women's group took out the full page ad in USA today....but it was very effective. I think we need to contact them and do something similar.

WomenCount PAC.

[ZY123]

Very true. And so ironic. BO is presented as the "progressive" and "contemporary" candidate...But in actual fact his racist, sexist, and abusive campaign has cause untold damage to the Democractic Party and highlighted glaring cracks in the fabric of American society.

Well it looks like a large number of women are seeing it loud and clear and are going to rise up and vote against Obama. Losing a large number of women should be very disconcerting to the Obama campaign considering women make up 51% of the population and used to make up a large part of the Democratic base.

[Laura Cereta]

I think women are more bonded now than we were before this election. It IS still a man's world and the media misogyny has been horrendous and hurtful.

Now it a great time to stand together, along with men of integrity, and let the Party, the Country, and the World know that this is not what America is about.

For any woman (or man) who has felt deep in their gut that there has been something slightly "off" about this Democratic primary, you are welcome to join our no unity movement and send a message that this behavior will no longer be tolerated silently.

[Les33]

I'm transgender. I live as a male now but was a girl before. And I can say from my experience that being male is far, far simpler. The poem about privilege is completely true. I live in NYC and can ride my bike through Central Park in the middle of the night and not feel afraid. I also know that my emotional AND intellectual reactions to life are less complex. I can't explain it well, but it's as if several layers of intensity have been removed from the world. I don't mean to detract from the beauty and greatness of men's lives, but I'm certain that women exist more profoundly somehow.

I don't really blame AA women for supporting Obama. If there was a transgender candidate, I would probably want to support him/her no matter what. It's women like Maureen Dowd I can't stand, or the rich white women who who think having a social conscience is the same as attending a charity ball.

As far as Hillary's appearance, I find her to be one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.

[Musicdude]

Hope and Change are being fulfilled - Unity has arrived. Democrats and Republicans are forming a bipartisan coalition against Obama to save the country from his radical insurgency.

The sexism exhibited and enforced by the DNC and pro-Obama Superdelegates will not prevail.

[CGP]

Hope and Change are being fulfilled - Unity has arrived. Democrats and Republicans are forming a bipartisan coalition against Obama to save the country from his radical insurgency.

I was thinking the same thing. This was not the kind of "unity" the DNC was hoping for but this is what they get for supporting a candidate that uses racism, sexism and propaganda to elevate his flawed candidacy.

[Justmy.02]

...It's a good thing she's been wearing pantsuits for some time now, because they do help her in that "masculinity" department. And given the fact that politics is still a man's forum primarily, they help her to mesh in very well. And it's great that in her debates she's kept the colors very muted, but out on the campaign trail, she hits them with some red.

Some of the most horrid comments I read about Hillary during the campaign were about her pantsuits. I, personally, don't care whether she wears pantsuits or regular suits but to denigrate her because she wears pantsuits is absolutely ridiculous to me, and speaks loudly about a lack of character and intelligence on the part of the poster.

P.S. I don't personally find Obama attractive at all. In fact, to me he seems to wear a slight sneer on his face at all times, as though he feels he's 'better than.'

[LMLavender]

I was thinking the same thing. This was not the kind of "unity" the DNC was hoping for but this is what they get for supporting a candidate that uses racism, sexism and propaganda to elevate his flawed candidacy.

HAHA....I agree......why do they just not get it......one day they will wake up and say.....GEE I could have had a V8 (Hillary)

[neophyter]

WomenCount PAC.

Oh no, I just unsubscribed from them. They support women who support Obama. :eek:

[CT-Hilltopper]

Some of the most horrid comments I read about Hillary during the campaign were about her pantsuits. I, personally, don't care whether she wears pantsuits or regular suits but to denigrate her because she wears pantsuits is absolutely ridiculous to me, and speaks loudly about a lack of character and intelligence on the part of the poster.

P.S. I don't personally find Obama attractive at all. In fact, to me he seems to wear a slight sneer on his face at all times, as though he feels he's 'better than.'

That annoyed me to no end.

If she had worn skirts, they would have bitched about that too.

She just couldn't win.

[jbohio]

...in despair that I would have to choose between two historical candidates. I desperately wished either one would have waited because I wanted to support both of them.

Then I heard Sen Clinton talking about two issues:
* Problems of the "sandwich generation"- Those who are worried about their elderly parents (even are their parents' caregivers) and their own children.
* Tax credits for parents taking care of a person with a disability

Both of those issues spoke to my life and I was forever a supporter (and voter) for Sen Clinton. I wanted that unique female perspective for a change in Washington.

I understood that for Sen Clinton, being a woman DID bring an unique perspective and understanding to this presidential race that I had never experienced from a candidate before. No matter how good a male candidate is, he can never fully understand these needs because, let's face it. he has a wife who is personally dealing with the "sandwich generation" issues at home.


Then came the antics of the Obama campaign , the MSM, and the blogsphere My anger and disgust grew to the point that I began to view Obama as just another man. The historical significance of his campaign dissolved, and he is still just another male candidate. I could not watch his speech on Tuesday night as he claimed the nominee status. Any other year I would have been wrapped up in the historical moment and been proud of the Democratic party.
This year, Obama was just another male politician giving another speech.

[Ray_of_Hope]

I'm transgender. I live as a male now but was a girl before. And I can say from my experience that being male is far, far simpler. The poem about privilege is completely true. I live in NYC and can ride my bike through Central Park in the middle of the night and not feel afraid. I also know that my emotional AND intellectual reactions to life are less complex. I can't explain it well, but it's as if several layers of intensity have been removed from the world. I don't mean to detract from the beauty and greatness of men's lives, but I'm certain that women exist more profoundly somehow.

I don't really blame AA women for supporting Obama. If there was a transgender candidate, I would probably want to support him/her no matter what. It's women like Maureen Dowd I can't stand, or the rich white women who who think having a social conscience is the same as attending a charity ball.

As far as Hillary's appearance, I find her to be one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.

The sad thing is that Hillary does have a good amount of AA women supporters, but the media, as Murray mentioned in another thread, tends to downplay that.

I truly wish that the women (regardless of race) who are supporting Obama will understand that their candidate does not have their best interest at heart. For AA women specifically, I will implore them to not allow skin color to blind themselves to the truth. Obama doesn't give a shit about them. He truly doesn't.

To the Obama lurkers, please do not believe that only white women are upset over Hillary's "loss". Understand that Hillary's female supporters come in ALL shades and, together, we (along with our male supporters) will not stand for the foolishness by the DNC!

[Alex01]

...BO curious...

LMAO!!!

[CGP]

For any woman (or man) who has felt deep in their gut that there has been something slightly "off" about this Democratic primary, you are welcome to join our no unity movement and send a message that this behavior will no longer be tolerated silently.

I'm in!

[CGP]

This is the thread attracting the increased traffic...

[hillary4change]

Count me in.
I will not "elect" the selected fraud!
Our nations security is at risk.

I refuse to put the security of my uterus above the security of my nation!

[Myrta1015]

I think that all of Hillary's women should protest and go to
the convention in Denver on August and tell all those DNC
how we feel and that we are going to vote for Senator
McCain instead of voting for Obama. The DNC will pay for
what they did to Hillary. We should make them lose their
jobs in the DNC.

[samkm]

...in despair that I would have to choose between two historical candidates. I desperately wished either one would have waited because I wanted to support both of them.

Then I heard Sen Clinton talking about two issues:
* Problems of the "sandwich generation"- Those who are worried about their elderly parents (even are their parents' caregivers) and their own children.
* Tax credits for parents taking care of a person with a disability

Both of those issues spoke to my life and I was forever a supporter (and voter) for Sen Clinton. I wanted that unique female perspective for a change in Washington.

I understood that for Sen Clinton, being a woman DID bring an unique perspective and understanding to this presidential race that I had never experienced from a candidate before. No matter how good a male candidate is, he can never fully understand these needs because, let's face it. he has a wife who is personally dealing with the "sandwich generation" issues at home.


Then came the antics of the Obama campaign , the MSM, and the blogsphere My anger and disgust grew to the point that I began to view Obama as just another man. The historical significance of his campaign dissolved, and he is still just another male candidate. I could not watch his speech on Tuesday night as he claimed the nominee status. Any other year I would have been wrapped up in the historical moment and been proud of the Democratic party.
This year, Obama was just another male politician giving another speech.
Very true for me also. The fact that several of his key associates are crooks/anti-American/anti-Semitic is a telling discovery.

[samkm]

It is interesting to go through this thread and see the timely documentation of mysogyny.. We felt it all along and we raised our voices and spoke up as loud as we could. They can;t say we did not try.

[B positive]

It's been 7 days since the SUSPENSION and I'm nowhere near Party Unity!

I will not be voting for Obama! It's my hero or the war hero .. because I am PROUD of my country!

[mjoynaples]

Oh no, I just unsubscribed from them. They support women who support Obama. :eek:???????


womenpac supports women who support obama??? please verify ... I thought this was the group that took out the ads full page for HRC??? and are going to do it again!??

[cindyjoens]

I refuse to vote for Obama. He will do and say whatever he must in order to become the President. Also, the whole Reverend Wright issue still doesn't sit well with me.
In addition, he is too inexperienced and I will not feel safe in the US if he is elected. This job is way too much for him to handle.
I could actually deal with 4 years of McCain (at least I would feel our borders are secure) and then let's get the real winner back (Hillary) in 2012.

[Soren]

No Child Left Behind - Football Version

The football version of what is going on in education right now. (If you're not an educator, this may not make a lot of sense to you. But send it to your friends who are in education. They will love it!)

For all educators in and out of the education system:

1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.

2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time, even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!

3. Talented players will be asked to workout on their own, without instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their instructional time with the athletes who aren't interested in football, have limited athletic ability or whose parents don't like football.

4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th game. This will create a New Age of Sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimum goals. If no child gets ahead, then no child gets left behind. If parents do not like this new law, they are encouraged to vote for vouchers and support private schools that can screen out the non-athletes and prevent their children from having to go to school with bad football players.

Rafree - this is priceless. do you have a link for it? or was it just one of those brilliant emails that passed through?

[PA_Voter]

Unfortunately, we live in the 10-second attention span these days....

I went to breakfast with a group of 5 women on Saturday and here's the current status excluding myself--I just can't get through to these people and I've known them for 15-35 years:

1) Dem - Age 55: 55K Salary & voted for Hillary and will vote for BO -- sees MO to be like Jackie O and BO to be articulate and charismatic. This women doesn't care that he can't speak without a teleprompter and doesn't believe anything about his associations.
2) Dem - Age 50: 90K Salary & not sure who she voted for. Sees Hillary's/BO's plans to be similar and doesn't care about experience or his associations and doesn't want details on them. It's okay if he's corrupt as well because most politicians are.
3) Dem - Age 44: 30K Salary & Voted for Hillary and will either stay home or vote for McCain.
4) Dem - Age 68: Retired & Voted for Hillary and may stay home but can't vote for McCain.
5) Rep - Age 50: McCain/McCain.

[freethinker]

Unfortunately, we live in the 10-second attention span these days....

I went to breakfast with a group of 5 women on Saturday and here's the current status excluding myself--I just can't get through to these people and I've known them for 15-35 years:

1) Dem - Age 55: 55K Salary & voted for Hillary and will vote for BO -- sees MO to be like Jackie O and BO to be articulate and charismatic. This women doesn't care that he can't speak without a teleprompter and doesn't believe anything about his associations.
2) Dem - Age 50: 90K Salary & not sure who she voted for. Sees Hillary's/BO's plans to be similar and doesn't care about experience or his associations and doesn't want details on them. It's okay if he's corrupt as well because most politicians are.
3) Dem - Age 44: 30K Salary & Voted for Hillary and will either stay home or vote for McCain.
4) Dem - Age 68: Retired & Voted for Hillary and may stay home but can't vote for McCain.
5) Rep - Age 50: McCain/McCain.

Yes, I have noticed the women (who should know better) who are supporting BO have an odd, almost juvenile response to any information that interferes with their DEM commitment. It reminds me of a child putting their fingers in their ears and singing, "Lalalalalalala, I can't hearrr you!"

:rolleyes: