ATTN: Obama Supporters

[WV4Hillary]

We know you read this site...which honestly, is fairly odd. I've been to Democratic Underground...and I've seen hundreds of people commenting about this site. It's...really creepy.

Anyway...here's the thing. I hate Republicans, I really REALLY do. I swore I would never vote for one. I want to support Obama if he wins the nomination...but it's going to be hard. Not because of him...but because of YOU.

Can't you see that your fellow democrats are upset? We believe Hillary Clinton would be superior, and you believe Obama would be superior. Why can't we just agree to disagree and treat each other civilly. If we were to do that...if Obama won the nomination, we'd have a "Guess you won! Now we'll work hard for Obama!" attitude. However, for some reason you guys can't be that way. You feel you have to attack us at every turn...personally attack not just our candidate..but US! I'll admit there are some Hillary supporters who do the same...but the hate that comes from Obama's supporters is overwhelming..

What I'm getting at is that this attitude is causing us to resent you and Obama. Instead of showing compassion toward us if our candidate were to lose, possibly along the lines of "Sorry Hillary lost...but Obama will do his best to carry on some of her platforms" it's more like "HAHA! WE WIN! HILLARY SUCKS! GOOD RIDDANCE YA $(*$#, AND ALL HER F*****G SUPPORTERS!" Then do you HONESTLY think we are going to turn around and vote for him in the general? HALF of this country still supports Hillary Clinton. You cannot win without us...and your attitude is alienating.

Summing up..I want to vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. I can't imagine Bush III. But the resentment is building up inside me everytime I see these hateful comments. The final straw was posted on a blog somewhere: "Why can't Hillary and all her supporters just die!"

You're alienating us one by one. Please, I beg of you...for the sake of the Democratic party...stop. Stop your hate...stop your disrespect...stop it all. Make it so that when the nominee is chosen, be it Clinton or Obama, we can happily join together with the opposite side and focus on beating McCain. I can't keep making excuses for your behavior.

[Johnf]

Because of the way Obama and his supporters/camp have managed this campaign, because of the attacks, lies, and the media bias combined, I would never vote for him. Ever. I would vote for Republican twenty times over before I'd cast a vote for Obama. Seriously.

[Area504]

Read my sig.

[El Cuco]

Obama Never!

[RachachaSharon]

Obama Never!

Ditto.

[Artists4Hillary]

Because of the way Obama and his supporters/camp have managed this campaign, because of the attacks, lies, and the media bias combined, I would never vote for him. Ever. I would vote for Republican twenty times over before I'd cast a vote for Obama. Seriously.


Me too!

[JJ4Hillary]

So those obessesive odrama fans read this forum.:D:D

Hey odrama fans, i will never vote for Barack Obama.:p:p

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[xfiles]

Maybe I have a 6th sense. I don't know. But I do know I have never, ever considered nor wanted to nor will I vote for Obama. He has creeped me out from the beginning and he REALLY turned me off with his arrogance and comment at the debate that was condescending and terrible about Hillary being likeable he said without looking up or at her that she was likeable enough. Condescending jerk!

[memphis]

Never. It is too late. As much as I can't stand McCain, I can't stand Obama and his supporters either.

[SoCal4Hillary]

Hell will freeze over before I'll EVER cast a vote for oBLAHma. :eek: There is no way I can reconcile my feelings about him--his inexperience, his lack of original thought, his racism, his sexism, his anti-Semitism, etc.--with voting for him. Not. Going. To. Happen.

[Peppermint Patty]

It's a nice plea, but they won't go for it. There is an anger and hatred there that is unreasonable. For the boys/men I suspect they hate Hillary because she's a woman. Weird.

I didn't dislike NObama until all the Hillary bashing started, the media bias and the rude arrogant comments by his supporters who invaded her official site and made it impossible for us to work on that site. THAT'S what, as you say, turned me around and alienated me.

I work VERY hard every day NOT to hate NObama now. But it's hard. Between his ruthless supporters on the internet and his lies... it's a struggle.

Ah well, let it be. Nice try though.;)

[greekme1105]

No BLObama...and the thought of Michelle as first lady...? Ew...

[PA_Voter]

WV4Hillary, I don't think you'll have to worry about wanting to vote for Obama in the general election.... First of all he doesn't know how to be truthful and he uses a new pair of flip-flops every day because he wears them out on a daily basis.

Tell me what has he done in IL to earn my vote, other than talk about what he will do as US Senator and then as US Senator talk about what he'll do as President? And unfortunately, his relationships to Wright, Ayers, Rezko and the host of middle-eastern characters is beyond my comprehension to ever consider voting for him.

Start looking at the Rezko Watch... More is surfing every week, I just hope it's soon enough! http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/

[OkieforHRC2008]

Hell will freeze over before I'll EVER cast a vote for oBLAHma. :eek: There is no way I can reconcile my feelings about him--his inexperience, his lack of original thought, his racism, his sexism, his anti-Semitism, etc.--with voting for him. Not. Going. To. Happen.


Exactly. I'd rather vote for McCain, at least in the end I can say I voted for a good man. The supporters of Obama that have become so hateful and full of venom against Hillary's supporters have completely strengthened my resolve. It's Hillary or McCain for me.

~~OkieforHRC2008

[Peppermint Patty]

So those obessesive odrama fans read this forum.:D:D

Hey odrama fans, i will never vote for Barack Obama.:p:p

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn30/tinkHEROINE/haters.jpg

Whoops, can't have Mickey giving the finger! Don't you have one of Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck doing that? I hate Mickey to get involved in this. :D

[endodoc79]

There are certain levels of decency and morality that should not be breached under any circumstances. Obama has sunk way below any standard that I feel comfortable with. The more I see him and his surrogates in action the more uncomfortable I become. I believe that ultimately Hillary will prevail and become our 44th president. I have faith in the wisdom of the American people that when allowed to vote and have their votes are counted Hillary will emerge victorious.

[lea210]

I think it's a shame that the democratic party is divided. Of course Obama's supporters will blame Hillary, as they do for everything else. If they would just maintain composure and act like adults I would feel less annoyed. Seriously, when we criticized Barack it is all about his policies, media bias, his lies, etc. However we don't call him by any profane terms. Then if you look at those Obama sites and blogs, all you see is the most vulgar things possible with the "F" word pretty much everywhere. They call Hillary a sl*t, w**re, c*nt, pig, b*tch, hag, etc. It makes you think of how disgusting people have become in America. Criticized Hillary and her politics/policies and that is fine, but attacking her character, humanity, sex, etc. is deplorable.

[greekme1105]

Hey Blobama....Kiss the mirror much?

I will NEVER vote for BO!!!!

[SoCal4Hillary]

I didn't dislike NObama until all the Hillary bashing started, the media bias and the rude arrogant comments by his supporters who invaded her official site and made it impossible for us to work on that site. THAT'S what, as you say, turned me around and alienated me.Ditto for me. I actually put up (and haven't taken it down, now that I think about it) a "Clinton/Obama" line of merchandise on my site, gee, I don't know...must have been back in 2005 or 2006. I was perfectly happy with the idea of that ticket...but the more I've learned about Obama--which isn't easy, considering how little the mainstream media actually REPORTS about him--the more I've come to dislike and distrust him. And...his followers...I've never seen anything like this...not since Guyana, anyway. :confused:

[TN Supporter]

No Obama - an no Michelle Obama as first lady. I thought I had misunderstood when she said she was proud to be an American for the first time. After listening to the Wright mesages, now I understand - they are disciples of his. They are very involved with him. That is frightening. And if Hillary had been associated with such attitudes, she would be crucified in the media. It's time to understand that gender bias is alive and well. The male press are not ready for a female president.

[WV4Hillary]

And there you have it...

The hate from Obama has alienated all of these people. I actually have a story..I...used to be an Obama supporter!

When this thing first started, I liked his message of hope and change....I was sucked in by that. When I was "on the other side" so to speak, Hillary supporters respected my views. Now that I'm a Hillary supporter...the Obama people are just...evil. It's..really awful.

[JJ4Hillary]

Whoops, can't have Mickey giving the finger! Don't you have one of Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck doing that? I hate Mickey to get involved in this. :D


Yeah, this one is much better http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z58/lilmissbeautiful_01/FUKK.jpghttp://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn52/gatitarebeldes/hater.jpghttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f261/04Civic4dr/Smileys/hater.gifhttp://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh182/sez72/hatersgif.gif

[nette60]

Hell will freeze over before I'll EVER cast a vote for oBLAHma. :eek: There is no way I can reconcile my feelings about him--his inexperience, his lack of original thought, his racism, his sexism, his anti-Semitism, etc.--with voting for him. Not. Going. To. Happen.

I agree! I will vote for McCain first and I am African American....with sense!

[joeysky18]

In the following order are the people that turn me off Obama

Obama supporters > Wright > Rezko > Obama.

So I guess Obama is the lesser of the true problem. But the people that he chose to hang out with is the bigger problem.

Until he can DISOWN all the above people, I CANNOT support Obama.

[daniperez]

I will not, under any circumstances vote for Obama.

It is a disgrace how he & his campaign have driven a wedge in this country.

It's digusting how were all meant to feel like racists if we don't support him or we question his supporters...Wright/Rezko/Ayers.

[WV4Hillary]

Wright bugs me a little...but I wanna look past that..
Rezko...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
His Supporters...? No excuse.

[Suzan]

In the following order are the people that turn me off Obama

Obama supporters > Wright > Rezko > Obama.

So I guess Obama is the lesser of the true problem. But the people that he chose to hang out with is the bigger problem.

Until he can DISOWN all the above people, I CANNOT support Obama.
I'm with you, Joey. It wasn't Obama himself who changed my mind first, although he has now confirmed for me that he's no better than his supporters. I've never seen such poison. And sadly they've poisoned the well.

And the media takes its fair share of the blame. They've almost turned me off the political scene altogether.

[daniperez]

Wright bugs me a little...but I wanna look past that..
Rezko...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
His Supporters...? No excuse.

Sorry-- I think Wright & Rezko are very important indicators of who Obama is as a person....who you hang out with, tells people a little something about ya.

Obama's supporters--could care less.

[Evergreen]

I would never vote for Obama and not just because of his supporters and the way they attack us and Hillary, but because I don't see him as POTUS material. He lies, he deceives, he manipulates and gets away with it. This isn't about being gracious and voting for a fellow democrat in case our candidate loses - there's a lot more to be said against Obama himself than the viciousness shown by his supporters.

[samkm]

Because of the way Obama and his supporters/camp have managed this campaign, because of the attacks, lies, and the media bias combined, I would never vote for him. Ever. I would vote for Republican twenty times over before I'd cast a vote for Obama. Seriously.

Johnf,:) you are in good company. I say, ditto.:eek:

[luvhillary]

I have personally gone back and forth on the issue of who to vote for if (gasp!) Hillary is not the nominee. I have posted here even on what I thought I would do. Once I was thinking of writing in Hillary's name. Another was to vote for McCain. But I have to honestly admit, I have never thought to vote for Obama. He doesn't deserve my respect, consideration, or my time. He doesn't deserve to be where he is right now. I think it's all wrong on how he has got to this point. He is arrogant and disrespectful. Not only to Hillary, her supporters, women in general, to his own supporters (through his lies, "spin", and deceit!), but to this great country. He wants a different kind of politics (he says!) but yet plays a dirtier game than them all. His supporters have been bamboozled and want UNITY and CHANGE but yet their ACTIONS and WORDS say different. They are filled with hate and are the ones who recognize their own need to CHANGE and be united which is why BO's message resonates so deep within them. The problem is that he doesn't provide them with any SOLUTIONS so instead they hate on Hillary and her supporters. I could never be united with people who are so full of anger and deceit. BO's message is just what we have been saying all along--empty words. Just words until there is ACTION behind them. So, for now, I will keep having hope that Hillary will win the nomination and restore this country to what it once was and move us into a positive direction within this world.

[david m]

you crossed the line and its going to come back and bite you in the you know where. you think that your some kind of special entity and that you can tell people that you don't need the support of the entire party or that obama has tons of money so he can do without florida or michigan. and that people in those states deserved what they got. well i have news for you, you've given the republicans ex actly what they wanted and when november comes around please don't cry when the republicans pull there support from obama if he is the nominee and all you have left is nothing but your filty mouths and the aa support. say goodby to the women, the hispanics , and the men who are so passionate in there support of hillary clinton. now i don't know about the rest of the people here but i will work just as hard against you as i have for hillary and i have sent many e-mails to your boy dean about what i say here. but you know what? all of you can can make amends by sending hillary clinton apologies for your rotten behavior and make an effort to repair the damage you have caused to our party. its up to you.

[mkreyns]

I will never vote for Obama. He will lose the GE to the GOP if he makes it that far. I have told many that the democrats are handing over the election to the Republicans because of Obama. McCain will make a better president by far then Obama. Obama has too many strikes against him:

This is just from my research!

The updates on the Rezko Trial with Obama connections to (NOI)Nation of Islam and plans to build a nuclear power plant in Iraq. Dirty politicians in Chicago with their kickback schemes.

Odinga - Obama's cousin in Kenya. Obama keeps in touch and Dick Morris helped Odinga in his campaign. Marxist and communist regimes?

Ayers & Dorhn - internal terrorists and grassroots supporters of Obama and his campaign.

Larry Sinclair - gay murder scandal involving Obama. Sinclair finally got a discovery hearing by Judge Kennedy in D.C. after filing an afadavit on 4/1/08.

Rev. Wright - and his connections, Farrakhan, Lybia, Qadafi, and Black Liberation Theology. Obama dumped dirty money from all political and Rezko dealings into the church as "charitible donations." Money laundering and fraud?

For all of this and more he will take the democratic party down in disgrace.

[BloodDAnna]

What is it about Senator Obama makes his followers so angry and filled with hate? If that is what we have to look forward to with his message of Hope, Change and Unity I really want no part of it. For some reason I decided that all of his followers could not all be twisted, hateful drooling apes...could they?

[Jack700]

Hello everyone.

I have an honest and respectful question for you all. If there a non-partisan Obama supporter who was interested in posting on this message board and discuss issues and learn more about Hillary and her supporters, would you allow that?

I ask because I am just that, but I am concerned that I will simply be yelled at and banned for wanting to engage in a thoughtful discussion on the issues and how they differ.

Frankly, I would very much like to support Hillary if she comes through for you all but I'm afraid that some of the rhetoric that's flying (from both sides) will get in the way of that.

Respectfully,

Jack700

[CGP]

WV4 - I commend your effort at "unity", or at least for starting a discussion about it. I fear, however, those extreme Obama supporters who have spread so much hate and abuse about Clinton supporters have cause irreparable damage and that many Clinton supporters won't be willing to join with them under any circumstances. I see zero kindness coming from them, so there seems not point to bother.

As for DU, yes, they trash this site. But whatever - their attendance boosts traffic! They are helpiing our cause through making this site bigger. And the "BAN" button is very easy to click. So, no hassle. DU has lost all credibility amongst people who are reasonable. DU is not supposed to be party-specific but certainly in the presidential section of that forum, those who don't support Obama are clearly despised by the other members. And whatever, but don't call the site DU. Call it Obama Underground. At least our forum is explicity "pro-hillary" - there is no hiding the fact. So those trolls who seek to join our forum solely to cause trouble should realize there membership won't lost long...and it never does.

[Patsy]

Hello everyone.

I have an honest and respectful question for you all. If there a non-partisan Obama supporter who was interested in posting on this message board and discuss issues and learn more about Hillary and her supporters, would you allow that?

I ask because I am just that, but I am concerned that I will simply be yelled at and banned for wanting to engage in a thoughtful discussion on the issues and how they differ.

Frankly, I would very much like to support Hillary if she comes through for you all but I'm afraid that some of the rhetoric that's flying (from both sides) will get in the way of that.

Respectfully,

Jack700

We are non-confrontational and if you wish to pose a question to anyone, or read through any of the threads, you are welcome to do so.

We always welcome healthy dialogue.

[BloodDAnna]

I just mentioned on another thread that the purpose of this site is to do just that, help the undecided and promote our candidate in a positive way. The only thing we ask is that there is no obnoxious behavior such as name calling etc.

I'm happy you are here, welcome.

[HillaryForPrez]

You are not going to be able to talk any sense into the little Obama pukes, might as well give it up. Most are young and think nothing of calling Hillary the C word and other atrocities. Keep in mind that we have come a long way from Ozzie and Harriet. Even 20 years ago we still had some respect for elders and society, but nowadays after everyone's mother went to work along with dad and left children to run amuk, things haven't quite been the same. It is not just that both had to work, but that does play a big part in it. So, we are stuck with more baggage in America than ever. I had to sit by and watch my friend's kid become a filthy-mouthed little puke. He's in his 20's now and his myspace is all about gangsters and smoking dope. I tried hard to get through to the little monster, but the more you try, the more they rebel. They are much more protected now too and they know it.

One of the saddest things about Obama is that he draws out so many filthy-mouthed punks who are lovin' every second of this Campaign because it gives them a platform they never had before...to disrespect a wide spectrum of people who are paying attention to them. Probably the best advice is something my mother told me about bullies when i was a kid...ignore them and they will go away. Since there are so many of them, they will continue to be nasty, but like Hillary supporters did with the daily kos...boycott any site they run and don't respond to them...other than to delete their messages if they come to our fortress of course.

[Hoosier]

Hell will freeze over before I'll EVER cast a vote for oBLAHma. :eek: There is no way I can reconcile my feelings about him--his inexperience, his lack of original thought, his racism, his sexism, his anti-Semitism, etc.--with voting for him. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Ditto :D:D

[luvhillary]

Hello everyone.

I have an honest and respectful question for you all. If there a non-partisan Obama supporter who was interested in posting on this message board and discuss issues and learn more about Hillary and her supporters, would you allow that?

I ask because I am just that, but I am concerned that I will simply be yelled at and banned for wanting to engage in a thoughtful discussion on the issues and how they differ.

Frankly, I would very much like to support Hillary if she comes through for you all but I'm afraid that some of the rhetoric that's flying (from both sides) will get in the way of that.

Respectfully,

Jack700


Jack700,

We welcome your thoughts and discussion on issues but please realize that we have some bruised feelings after how we have been treated elsewhere. This has been a great sanctuary to get away from all the abuse we have received in other places. We do respect your right to have a different view and would be more than happy to behave like mature adults without name calling. Please realize that we are very passionate about our girl, Hillary, and we will fight for her just as she fights for us and all Americans (even BO supporters).

[samkm]

Jack700,

I am a former Obama supporter (supported until January) and find that perhaps the starting point is: www.thehillaryiknow.com

Then, visit www.hillaryclinton.com/issues

See her talking with CNBC's Jim Cramer:
(April 2, 2008) - Hillary on MAD MONEY [Cramer interviewing Hillary]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23925313#23925313

Check out veterans' and highschoolers' endorsement.. and tell me what are some of the issues you are grappling with.

For me, the biggest issues were
(1) dishonesty with himself about who he is
(2) dishonesty with others on what he will represent
(3) lack of demonstrated accountability
(4) How he got into office in Illinois and what he did and did not do there.. and why he has still not released the records
(5) continuous association with hatred against the country which he wishes to lead combined with disrespect for the American flag that represents our freedmon combined with the dismissive "that pin" combined with Michelle's "first time.. proud.. American.." combined with Michelle's thesis "not relate to the American experience"
(6) How he claims "judgement" yet shows poor judgement in his association with Rezko, Wright, Auchi, Ayers, Odinga..
(7) How he took his children to the church that preaches hatred.
(8) How he stood by the pastor and church's actions and how he donated $27k+ (which is the lions' share of his charity) to this hateful church of his and positively commissioned its actions including a reprint of the manifesto of Hamas.
(9) How he appears to be negative on LGBT rights, but now he will not pose pictures with nor will he associate with gays (Now, the man doth protest too much, if you ask me!) -- combined with -- the points laid out in Larry Sinclair's affidavit.
(10) How he misuses the color to drive wedges into society. This is unconscionable and directly contradicts his message of change.

The list has CURRENT isses.

[HillWill]

Hello everyone.

I have an honest and respectful question for you all. If there a non-partisan Obama supporter who was interested in posting on this message board and discuss issues and learn more about Hillary and her supporters, would you allow that?

I ask because I am just that, but I am concerned that I will simply be yelled at and banned for wanting to engage in a thoughtful discussion on the issues and how they differ.

Frankly, I would very much like to support Hillary if she comes through for you all but I'm afraid that some of the rhetoric that's flying (from both sides) will get in the way of that.

Respectfully,

Jack700

Welcome! Please feel free to communicate with us! Many of us have taken abuse from Obama supporters at other sites, so you have to understand that we are guarded, but welcome your questions. thanks.
Personally, I was one of those that was always excited about this race and I used to brag to my Republican friends that we are gonna kick their butts in november no matter who the dem nominee will be. I don't feel that way anymore. I do feel, like others, that Obama supporters have been disrespectful to Hillary in ways that are unbelievable, but my problem also lies with Obama. The following has caused me to not consider Obama as a choice for president:
1) Michelle Obama statement re Hillary: "If you can't run your own house, you certainly can't run the white house - can't do it." This was one of the most offensive statements I had ever heard. It implies that a husband's misdeeds disqualifies a woman for a job. Can you understand the underlying sexism and offensive nature of this comment? I still have a hard time getting over that.
2) Michelle Obama statment re whether she would vote for Hillary: "I have to think about it." On the other hand, Bill Clinton said "yes, I would vote for Obama." Michelle's statement was not only irresponsible, but a betrayal of what it means to be a democrat. I can't forgive her for doing this either.
3) Obama removing his name from the Michigan ballot. He can't take this back, so can't forgive him for this one. I live in Michigan.
4) Obama shutting down the re-vote proposal - twice. He could take it back, but chose not to. I will never support a Democrat that actively works to disenfranchise voters. That just won't happen.
5) Not sure if I'll ever get over Rev. Wright, or the fact that his daughters sat through hateful preachings. Morality is important to me.
Who knows if I'll get over these things by november, but for now, they are still running through my mind....

[BloodDAnna]

I think alot of what re run into are'nt true Obama followers but Hillary haters.

[Smart cookie]

Anyway...here's the thing. I hate Republicans, I really REALLY do. I swore I would never vote for one. I want to support Obama if he wins the nomination...but it's going to be hard. Not because of him...but because of YOU.


I sort of agree. After the California debates I was beginning to think that we may actually have two decent candidates. Now I have to admit that most of it was because Obama usually just agreed with whatever Hillary said. I no longer see Obama as a viable candidate because he has proven to have incredibly bad judgement and tends to surround himself with a less than Presidential caliber crowd. Even if I could somehow overlook the massive lack of substance I still come face to face with the type of people that support him. I could NEVER align myself with such vile, infantile, profane people. I am not sure if his supporters overshadow him or merely reflect him. That is a chance I will not take with my vote.

[JMS825]

If you dont want to vote for BO then dont vote for a President or if you can write in Hillary's name as a protest to the election cause thats what I will be doing. I live in IL and I never have and never will vote for Obama

[Jack700]

I think alot of what re run into are'nt true Obama followers but Hillary haters.

I think that you are absolutely correct on this point. Along the same line, I seem to see quite a few similar people on the Hillary side as well. Not so much for Hillary as against Obama.

I think that Hillary supporters will probably do better by espousing the Hillarys merits rather than vilifying Obama. Strong arguments FOR Hillary are far more convincing and less likely to put an "Obama leaning" voter on the defensive. People tend to not listen very well when on the defensive. Vice Versa as well of course.

Thank you all for the warm welcome :)

[WV4Hillary]

If you write Hillary's name in..they will blame us for his loss. If they do, they will not support her in the next primary.

[JMS825]

I think that you are absolutely correct on this point. Along the same line, I seem to see quite a few similar people on the Hillary side as well. Not so much for Hillary as against Obama.

I think that Hillary supporters will probably do better by espousing the Hillarys merits rather than vilifying Obama. Strong arguments FOR Hillary are far more convincing and less likely to put an "Obama leaning" voter on the defensive. People tend to not listen very well when on the defensive. Vice Versa as well of course.

Thank you all for the warm welcome :)

I actually do both. I support Hillary and hate Obama. I live in IL so I have seen upclose Obama's lies and crooked connections. The same ones he denies now but embraced when he needed to get elected in the IL senate.

[JMS825]

If you write Hillary's name in..they will blame us for his loss. If they do, they will not support her in the next primary.

I hate to tell you but Obama will lose in the general anyways and deservingly so. Also the MSM has never liked the Clintons cause they never gave them the interviews and exclusives they always demanded. The MSM seen Obama as a chance to stick it to the Clintons and they went for it. I rather write in Hillary's name than be the reason the Country I love will have to live through either Obama or McCain

[mkreyns]

I think that you are absolutely correct on this point. Along the same line, I seem to see quite a few similar people on the Hillary side as well. Not so much for Hillary as against Obama.

I think that Hillary supporters will probably do better by espousing the Hillarys merits rather than vilifying Obama. Strong arguments FOR Hillary are far more convincing and less likely to put an "Obama leaning" voter on the defensive. People tend to not listen very well when on the defensive. Vice Versa as well of course.

Thank you all for the warm welcome :)


Exactly. I did the research on the issues early on and I could not identify any specifics about Obama's positions. Hillary's positions are much more specific. The more I found out about the deceptive hidden things about Obama, the more I found out about him as well. One big issue is healthcare and I don't think that we should allow anyone to be left out. Who should decide who will be left out? I lived in a very good system that had coverage for everyone and what Hillary proposes is the best for what we can do here. I will post the differnces as I understand them if anyone would like to see them.

[CGP]

I think that you are absolutely correct on this point. Along the same line, I seem to see quite a few similar people on the Hillary side as well. Not so much for Hillary as against Obama.

I think that Hillary supporters will probably do better by espousing the Hillarys merits rather than vilifying Obama. Strong arguments FOR Hillary are far more convincing and less likely to put an "Obama leaning" voter on the defensive. People tend to not listen very well when on the defensive. Vice Versa as well of course.

Thank you all for the warm welcome :)

Well, before anyone falls for the statement above, I would ask you to consider what is the motive of Jack700 in coming here? It's to subtley persuade Clinton supporters to STOP critiqing Obama. We have seen this strategy before...The latest tactic from the Obama camp is to plant Obama supporters in pro-hillary zones and try this subtle tactic of persuasion - to guilt Clinton supporters into stopping the CRITIQUE of Obama. Sorry Jack700, this is not the forum for this approach and you should give up now.

[HillaryForPrez]

you Are Not The Type Of Person Hillary Supporters Are Opposed To If You Just Want To Find Out About Hillary. But I Don't Know If It Will Work To Compare Them In Here. That Is Simply Because Obama Just Doesn't Have Any Experience In Comparison So We Are Not Going To Be Of Much Help. We Could Debate Their Stance On Issues, But They Are Pretty Close To The Same On Most. Hillary Has Much Deeper Broader Ideas And Structured Plans For The Country. She Is Just That Good And Experienced.

If You Really Want To Know About Her, I Don't Recommend A Support Forum Where Everyone Is Anti-obama, I Recommend You Go To Her Website And Start Studying. If You Still Have Questions, Attend Her Rallies And Go To Chelsea And Bill's Rallies Too. You Can Of Course Go To The Obama Website To Learn About Him, See The Black Panthers On His Site, The Black Planet Site He Has Listed, And His Great Race Speech. The Truth Is, He Could Probably Have Rev. Wright On The Site And The Media Would Not Care In The Least. See, We Are A Little Bias Here At The "hillaryclintonforum" So You May Want To Seek A More Objective Opinion At The Places I Suggested.

[mooaks]

It's pretty obvious that many of the Obama supporters are just out of high school, not well educated as to the issues involved in selecting a president of the United States.

Many have never had life experiences, Many are voting for Obama because their friends are, or they just like his smile, or his way with words. They have little or no regard for the seriousness of the situation we're in, not only in this country, but around the globe.

They just do not know that their guy is so inexperienced in world affairs, does not really know the right levers to pull etc. I'm sure that many of Obama's fan club believe everything that comes out of his mouth. I implore you THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH YOUR VOTE.

I still believe that Hillary will win this thing because smarter heads will prevail and award her the nomination. I also implore any Obama fans to think about what less than three years in the Senate your choice has accomplished. He has NOT achieved anything while in the Senate. He is not going to get us Universal Health Care. Don't make the mistake that will hurt us all.

The toughest day in many of your lives was probably the day that you lost your boy friend or girl friend to another. Life will be a lot tougher than those little bumps in the road. Hillary cares about families, always has, and always will. The decision you make with your vote could cost you dearly if you do not make the wise decision for your future.

I have no doubts that Hillary Clinton will make the best president for this country. All you have to do is look at her record of accomplishments, the number of bills she has joined in or sponsored compared with your candidate of choice. There is no comparison. Hillary will get us Universal Health Care, while your choice will leave 15, 000,000 out. Your candidate needs a few more years in the senate to learn the ropes.

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[HillaryForPrez]

YouTube - 59 Seconds on Obama, Jeremiah Wright, McCain & Clinton

[HillaryForPrez]

YouTube - Clinton / Obama Debate by a Ron Paul Supporter

[Musicdude]

Hell will freeze over before I'll EVER cast a vote for oBLAHma. :eek: There is no way I can reconcile my feelings about him--his inexperience, his lack of original thought, his racism, his sexism, his anti-Semitism, etc.--with voting for him. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Same here. :)

And, once again, that FAKE SOUTHERN PREACHER ACCENT that he uses only during speeches drives me nuts. No credibility with a complete faker. The media still hasn't picked up on this, nor his supporters - their "duh" factor is always in progress.