(05/24/10) OK, I admit it, Obama was smart...

[Tybee]

about not staying in the Senate very long at all before he started running for POTUS. So few votes, so little info, but still managed to spend our money quickly, should've been a tip-off, but so few could get past the "Hope" and "Change" rhetoric.

Me.

[Spang]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/Loompy/obama-got-this.jpg

[vagabond]

The economic collapse was a game-changer. Promises made before, and the fear that was ingnited shortly after, made keeping promises impossible.

Here's what I'm thinking: A Perfect Storm has been developing and ANY party, ANY president would be having major danger with ANY decision being made. People have lost a lot and no one likes it much. Is it likely to ever return to the sins we were enjoying? I don't think so. Can you imagine a Republican president dealing with the oil crisis in the gulf right now, and the critisism they would be facing?

This is not a great time to be president and anyone thinking they have the right answers...might be the ones trying to fool us, or the most naive of all.

I don't think Obama is the worst man for the times.

[Tybee]

The economic collapse was a game-changer. Promises made before, and the fear that was ingnited shortly after, made keeping promises impossible.

Here's what I'm thinking: A Perfect Storm has been developing and ANY party, ANY president would be having major danger with ANY decision being made. People have lost a lot and no one likes it much. Is it likely to ever return to the sins we were enjoying? I don't think so. Can you imagine a Republican president dealing with the oil crisis in the gulf right now, and the critisism they would be facing?

This is not a great time to be president and anyone thinking they have the right answers...might be the ones trying to fool us, or the most naive of all.

I don't think Obama is the worst man for the times.

Until Obama and our representatives actually cut spending, I think he is. And, I don't mean just talking about doing it.

[vagabond]

There are times when you do what you do, to get through the worst of times. It's about doing what is seen as needing to be done, even if makes people hurt. It could be better than doing nothing.

No politician had a better idea that wouldn't have caused someone's hurt. Anyway, I never heard one stated. The nation went into a crisis, and is still hovering.

I have been through a lot of presidents and no matter what is being said, making the population happy in these times would be impossible. It would not matter the means and way or the party in charge,

If there is a sea-change in the next election, then we will see the new people making eveyone happy.

I can't wait to see it happen and great! if it does.

[Valin]

about not staying in the Senate very long at all before he started running for POTUS. So few votes, so little info, but still managed to spend our money quickly, should've been a tip-off, but so few could get past the "Hope" and "Change" rhetoric.

Me.

Just because a person is smart does not mean they should be President.

[Foggy]

No, you're right.


But when a senator wins a presidential election with more votes than any presidential candidate in history, then do you think maybe possibly they should be president?

[Spang]

Only white people should be President in this country.

[WASTRIC]

Only white people should be President in this country.

this was lame the first 10,000 times you posted it. new schtick please.

[Spang]

this was lame the first 10,000 times you posted it. new schtick please.

At least I post under the same screen name every time. I'm not saying you don't, but there are people out there who go through screen names like people with dysentery go through underwear.

[Aria]

about not staying in the Senate very long at all before he started running for POTUS. So few votes, so little info, but still managed to spend our money quickly, should've been a tip-off, but so few could get past the "Hope" and "Change" rhetoric.

Not sure those reasons qualify as smart, as in intelligence for the sake of knowledge, as much as they speak of shrewd, cunning, and clever for less honorable reasons.

[foxyladi]

weasels are smart too:rotfl::rotfl:

[Tybee]

weasels are smart too:rotfl::rotfl:

My dog is smart as well, but not devious. ;)

[LadyLazarus]

I don't think it was intelligence at all because I honestly don't think it was his strategy. I don't think he planned on running when he did, but the opportunity just presented itself and he took it and ran with it. I think a whole bunch of people, Oprah included, really pressured him into running when he did. And I'm not so sure it was the right move. By going up against the Clintons and the first viable female candidate in history to run for POTUS, he locked out a core group of supporters that he will likely never regain, the kind of supporters a guy needs when he's the first black President of a country with a long and deep history of racism.

I think he'll get re-elected, but I don't think people will be too happy about it.

In short, I think if he had waited, he might have been a great President. But now, he'll only be a mediocre one.

[Jenda]

I don't think it was intelligence at all because I honestly don't think it was his strategy. I don't think he planned on running when he did, but the opportunity just presented itself and he took it and ran with it. I think a whole bunch of people, Oprah included, really pressured him into running when he did. And I'm not so sure it was the right move. By going up against the Clintons and the first viable female candidate in history to run for POTUS, he locked out a a core group of supporters that he will likely never regain, the kind of supporters a guy needs when he's the first black President of a country with a long and deep history of racism.

I think he'll get re-elected, but I don't think people will be too happy about it.

In short, I think if he had waited, he might have been a great President. But now, he'll only be a mediocre one.

Excellent post. I agree.:thumbsup:

I think that he has indeed locked out a key group of supporters....and that is very sad for a sitting president.

[Suzan]

I don't think it was intelligence at all because I honestly don't think it was his strategy. I don't think he planned on running when he did, but the opportunity just presented itself and he took it and ran with it. I think a whole bunch of people, Oprah included, really pressured him into running when he did. And I'm not so sure it was the right move. By going up against the Clintons and the first viable female candidate in history to run for POTUS, he locked out a core group of supporters that he will likely never regain, the kind of supporters a guy needs when he's the first black President of a country with a long and deep history of racism.

I think he'll get re-elected, but I don't think people will be too happy about it.

In short, I think if he had waited, he might have been a great President. But now, he'll only be a mediocre one.
You make good points. I think it depends on how we come out of this recession and how health care reform, which is actually historic however disappointed we might be in the bill, fares. If both are successful and the country is restored to its former prosperity, he'll be heralded as a hero despite the lack of support.

Of course, other things could blow the country apart, like the racism you mentioned.

[sojourner]

I don't think it was intelligence at all because I honestly don't think it was his strategy. I don't think he planned on running when he did, but the opportunity just presented itself and he took it and ran with it. I think a whole bunch of people, Oprah included, really pressured him into running when he did. And I'm not so sure it was the right move. By going up against the Clintons and the first viable female candidate in history to run for POTUS, he locked out a core group of supporters that he will likely never regain, the kind of supporters a guy needs when he's the first black President of a country with a long and deep history of racism.

I think he'll get re-elected, but I don't think people will be too happy about it.

In short, I think if he had waited, he might have been a great President. But now, he'll only be a mediocre one.

I agree with most of this.

I think he entered the race to gain some experience and get his name known for a serious run down the line. At the time he entered the race the consensus was that Hillary would win the primary.

He did the country and himself a disservice by not waiting.

Whether or not he gets re-elected depends upon the economy. If it hasn't made a significant recovery by 2012, he could well lose.

[LadyLazarus]

Whether or not he gets re-elected depends upon the economy. If it hasn't made a significant recovery by 2012, he could well lose.

You would think, right? But I have a funny feeling the business cycle will rebound just in time to save him (none of which will have anything to do with him. In fact, it will rebound in spite of him is my projection).

One thing you can say about Obama is that he's been very lucky. The economy went into full blown crisis (or at least was finally understood to be a real crisis) a month before the Presidential election.

If that isn't luck, then I don't know what is.

[cindyb]

No, you're right.


But when a senator wins a presidential election with more votes than any presidential candidate in history, then do you think maybe possibly they should be president?

NO!

Only white people should be President in this country.

Yes, you are right, you have figured out the secret. Aren't you just the smartest guy on this planet?

this was lame the first 10,000 times you posted it. new schtick please.

Just agree with him, then he can say he has his "proof" we are all dirty, stinking racists. ***yawn***
At least I post under the same screen name every time. I'm not saying you don't, but there are people out there who go through screen names like people with dysentery go through underwear.

I'm sorry that upsets you so much Spang, I think there is a pill you can take for that.

[Kbentleyis]

Band aids don't work. Proven through the stimulus and recovery. While we're judging his performance, billions are being paid out--(our tax dollars), to once again to backup unions. Bills are on the table and ready to go forward. Now, AFL-CIO, Teacher's Union, and SEIU have promised BIG political donations... where are they getting the money? If we have to continually backup their bankrupt accounts, why should we keep paying?

Judging BHO? He pays, or promises legislation and money for his votes.

[vagabond]

It didn't matter who was president, the people in such financial horrors this nation's people are going through would generally blaim the president. They want him to fix it without any pain to them.

But, he cannot be blaimed more than people borrowing and paying interest for more money than they could afford. From there on the nation was controlled by people who really did plan to bleed the nation dry for the benifit of their own deep pockets...and hiding it off shore.

What plan for recovery would not have had pationate haters? All the solutions had a negative and would have had to survive unexpected blocks and setbacks.

The economic situation is not only resolved by the president.

This presidency was won as fairly as Bush Jr. won his. There is a lot of manipulation in politics and both parties do their share.

Why did Bush Jr. design the Iraq War? His own glory?

Why didn't Bush Jr. do something about every indication the economy was going to crash? His own blindness?