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SoCal4Hillary
03-02-2008, 07:36 PM
I've posed this question before, over on HC, but it quickly got buried under newer entries in other blogs. Soooooo...let me ask it here:

Let's say Hillary isn't the Democratic nominee in November. What will you do? Will you vote for Obama? McCain? Someone else? No one?

For me personally, I simply cannot see myself voting for Obama. After all my ranting (http://smartassproducts.blogspot.com) about how unqualified he is to be president, how lacking in original thought he is, how inexperienced he is, etc...how could I support him? I don't think I can toss all those thoughts about him out the window! How can I possibly endorse the same man I've been bashing all this time?!

If I vote for McCain--and I have no problem voting Republican, *IF* the candidate is the best choice--I'm voting for his anti-choice philosophies, and that's VERY unsettling for me. I'm personally opposed to abortion (as in *I* would never have one) but feel that abortion must remain legal and safe (for those who do want them). I'm relatively confident that McCain, no matter how much he personally wants to do away with it, would not have the support needed to overturn Roe v Wade, so perhaps I can overlook his anti-choice beliefs. His willingness to stay in Iraq "for 100 years" is another very unsettling idea.

If I vote for someone else--like some folks did last time around when they cast their votes for Ralph Nader--I may get the satisfaction of casting a protest vote, but I'm also throwing my vote away.

If I vote for no one...well, I don't know! Is that bad? Should I pick the lesser of two evils and, perhaps, force myself to vote for Obama?

What will YOU do? (And let's hope this turns out to be purely hypothetical!)

CGP
03-02-2008, 07:43 PM
I refuse to even consider the answer! :)

I think time is the key here. The longer this race goes on, the more likely it is that the public will tire of its obsession/fantasy with Obama and reality will set in. As long as not too much damage is done in the meantime, I think Clinton can survive this difficult period and emerge as the much stronger candidate in the public's eyes. Then the SD will have no choice but to endorse her. Remember, even those SD who have jumped ship to Obama recently can still cross back to Clinton - they are completely free agens. So even if Obama enters the convention with more pledged delegates, I think the SD can correct this if by that stage the public's love affair with Obama has ended, and if a sufficiently large enough segment of his supporters and the SD realize that only Clinton can conceivably beat McCain in November!

Brooke
03-02-2008, 07:46 PM
There is a thread that asks "Will you vote for BO in the GE?" but I just want to say one thing. I'm Pro Choice as well, not incredibly passionate about it, but yes, it's important. I agree that McCain's anti choice stance is unsettling. But I'm not worried about Roe v. Wade being overturned because the thing is, every Republican says they want to overturn it. And if any President would have actually gone through with it, it would have been Bush. And it's still in tact. I personally feel they use that tactic to solidify their base, not to actually go through with it.

For me personally, even more than McCain's pro life stance that I find unsettling is Barack Obama's association with Louis Farrakahan and that he never really rejected his support. As a Jew, I cannot support someone who is associated wth a known Anti Semite, regardless of that fact that Obama isn't. It's against my principles.

Another big issue is Obama's spending and fund raising. He's trying to buy this election. I had a huge problem when this happened in 2000 in my home state of NJ with Jon Corzine and I voted for the Republican because it bothered me so much. My vote can't be bought. And I see Obama trying to do the same thing. And it disgusts me.

You can vote how you want. If you don't vote or want to write in Hillary, that's your perogative. Personally, I'll be holding my breath and voting for McCain because I kinda feel if you don't vote at all or write in somebody, or vote for Nader, it's just another vote for Obama and I refuse to help him in any way.

But that's just me.

SoCal4Hillary
03-02-2008, 07:49 PM
I forgot to add: I have NEVER seen anything as ridiculous as the love affair going on both in the media and the public with Obama. Honestly, you'd think he was Jesus Christ himself the way people are flocking to him and supporting him...

CGP
03-02-2008, 07:51 PM
I forgot to add: I have NEVER seen anything as ridiculous as the love affair going on both in the media and the public with Obama. Honestly, you'd think he was Jesus Christ himself the way people are flocking to him and supporting him...

And disturbingly, that's what some people believe! See below:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=228

johnny51981
03-02-2008, 08:26 PM
I refuse to believe that Hillary WON'T be the nominee.

BloodDAnna
03-02-2008, 08:29 PM
I would rather sever both my hands then pencil in a vote for Obama. My 65 year old dad has never in his entire life ever voted for a Republican but we both agree that if they screw Hillary out of the nomination then we are going with McCain. He may not be the guy who speaks for us but a politically inexperienced cult leader in the White House for 4 years is a far worse option, my husband feels exactly the same as we do.

CGP
03-02-2008, 08:31 PM
I refuse to believe that Hillary WON'T be the nominee.

That's my attitude as well!

CGP
03-02-2008, 08:33 PM
This ties in with this topic below, "would you vote for BO in the general election?"

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=495

SwiftFox
03-02-2008, 08:59 PM
In that thread referenced above, I said I would write in Hillary or not vote if Obama is the nominee, but actually, upon further reflection, I would have to do more research on McCain. I might be able to support him after all. There's no way I want Obama in the White House making things worse than they already are.

But at this point, I'm hoping Hillary will stay in the race no matter what happens on Tuesday.

CGP
03-02-2008, 10:20 PM
But at this point, I'm hoping Hillary will stay in the race no matter what happens on Tuesday.

Me too. She should NEVER cave in to those who are trying to ensure Obama has a "free passage" to the convention. No way. Like hell!

BloodDAnna
03-02-2008, 10:49 PM
I believe she is a fighter and won't drop out, I think all of the monetary support in February is a good indication that we are all willing to stick with her all the way to the convention in August and beyond.

Disfranchised
03-02-2008, 11:31 PM
I will vote Republican for the first time in my life if Hillary is not the nominee. Not only that but I will match the money I sent to Hillary toward any candidate who will run against Obama and will join their grass root organization. I am to a point that I despise Obama. I can not stand watching his lies and garbage on TV any more. His campaign and the media supporting him tried to destroy the reputation of one of the greatest president this country has ever had to a point of calling him a racist. We are talking about the one president who has done more for the African American than any president after Lincoln. They tried to discredit president Clinton's economic achievement and we all know what they are doing to Hillary. I came across so many lies his callers were telling the voters in Wisconsin just to get their votes. I was thinking about writing Hillary's name as my vote in General Election but after thinking carefully I think the only way to beat Obama is to vote McCain.

SoCal4Hillary
03-02-2008, 11:46 PM
When my daughter announced that she and her husband are supporting Obama, my knee-jerk reaction was to say, "I'm voting for McCain if it comes down to him vs Obama!" I honestly hadn't given it much, if any, thought at that point, but since then I actually have decided to vote for McCain. While I certainly don't feel that ALL of his ideas are on the same page with mine, at least I respect him as a human being, a veteran, and a war hero, and I do think he's far more qualified to be president than Obama. So, yeah, I believe my mind's made up...*IF* Hillary's not the nominee, of course!

BloodDAnna
03-03-2008, 12:20 AM
You know, when you look at McCain you can clearly see what he is and Obama? It's the unknown that is scarey since he has no real substance in his track record. I think thats why so many people feel he is a better choice if only given the 2 to pick from.

Shelley
03-03-2008, 06:47 AM
As a Jew, I cannot support someone who is associated wth a known Anti Semite, regardless of that fact that Obama isn't. This is a problem I have as well. I was thinking I would vote for Nader, because I really like most of what he says, but then I saw his latest. http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/02/29/p-word/ One of his supporters actually thinks that Israel should be dismantled, and its citizens brought to the US. So I really don't know who I would vote for. Hillary better win.

Patsy
03-03-2008, 10:02 AM
I too have given this much thought and have always voted Democratic because the Party held my core beliefs about what is best for all Americans. As I have said on other blogs, this Country either works for all of us or it works for none of us. I can not and will not support Obama if he is the Nominee. His ties to too many radical groups I find disturbing. He can not back away from these endorsements fast enough. I find McCain's voting record on abortion rights to be disturbing as well, but McCain does not pander to the far right of his party and as another poster put it "if any Republican were to have overturned Roe v. Wade, it would have been done already by Bush." We have seen concretely what placing a man in Office with no experience on Domestic or Foreign Policy and who ran a campaign based on being a unifier and not a divider has done to this Nation. I will vote experience over inexperience any day of the week. At least with McCain, we know where he stands and we know he is moderate. We know nothing about this Senator from Illinois, except his limited voting record and a speech he made in safety of not being in the Senate to actually cast that vote. He has successfully divided this Party and he will never get my vote.

GoHillary
03-03-2008, 10:55 AM
I will write in Hillary Clinton! I will not vote for Obama, and his koolaid politics. I cannot vote for McCain and his let's stay the course politics. I refuse to give anyone my vote who I don't believe in, and I truly believe that Hillary is the best candidate for this job.

BooskerD
03-03-2008, 11:46 AM
I'm not sure what I'll do if Hillary isn't the democratic candidate. The only thing I can say with certainty is that I can't vote for Obama. If Hillary runs as an independent candidate, that could work- or I could write her in. Perhaps I could vote for McCain- he's not the worst republican candidate out there, he's more of a moderate. I don't know. I have a few months to think about it.

Renee in Florida
03-03-2008, 10:04 PM
Hillary is going to win this folks, but if the Unthinkable happens I will vote for John Mccain, these are dangerous , severe times we dont need another incompetent in the White House!!!

Also I am from Florida and Obama wants our votes to stay quashed, simply because he lost. He advertised for our votes on TV in Florida ten days before the primary, lost and says we should go poof.

Tomorrow, the Obama phenomenon tide will turn very SOUR!!!

CGP
03-03-2008, 10:08 PM
Hillary is going to win this folks, but if the Unthinkable happens I will vote for John Mccain, these are dangerous , severe times we dont need another incompetent in the White House!!!

Also I am from Florida and Obama wants our votes to stay quashed, simply because he lost. He advertised for our votes on TV in Florida ten days before the primary, lost and says we should go poof.

Tomorrow, the Obama phenomenon tide will turn very SOUR!!!

I hear ya!!!!

EH
03-03-2008, 11:00 PM
I can only re-iterate what most everyone has said here; my vote goes for McCain in the ill-fated event that Obaminable is the nominee.

joeysky18
03-03-2008, 11:09 PM
ya know!

if this good ship Hillary sink at the end of the primary, i'm going down with that ship.

Especially after this townhall in TX, i don't see anyone as good as her. Her answer to the 2 veterans was more than anyone could ask for. If American doesn't have the heart, the brain, or the eyes to choose her, this country deserves to have an idiot like Bush or an airhead like Obama as the president.

Hillary will always be my president. Nobody will replace her in my heart.

RAFREE
03-03-2008, 11:14 PM
ya know!

if this good ship Hillary sink at the end of the primary, i'm going down with that ship.

Especially after this townhall in TX, i don't see anyone as good as her. Her answer to the 2 veterans was more than anyone could ask for. If American doesn't have the heart, the brain, or the eyes to choose her, this country deserves to have an idiot like Bush or an airhead like Obama as the president.

Hillary will always be my president. Nobody will replace her in my heart.

*APPLAUSE* and I intend to write her name in on that ballot if I have to!! The DNC better wake up!! The CORE of this party are voting for HER!! Obama hasn't won us over at ALL and won't likely...Dean better get with it!!

Valencia
03-03-2008, 11:21 PM
ya know!

if this good ship Hillary sink at the end of the primary, i'm going down with that ship.

Especially after this townhall in TX, i don't see anyone as good as her. Her answer to the 2 veterans was more than anyone could ask for. If American doesn't have the heart, the brain, or the eyes to choose her, this country deserves to have an idiot like Bush or an airhead like Obama as the president.

Hillary will always be my president. Nobody will replace her in my heart.

Ditto

greekme1105
03-03-2008, 11:25 PM
Period! This is her birthright...Hillary is in this to win. She will. :D

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 12:06 AM
Hillary is going to win this folks...I hope you're right! By the way, I'm glad to see you made your way over here, too. :D I couldn't take all the problems with the blogs on HC any more--to say nothing of the Obama-ite trolls--and I IMMEDIATELY felt right at home here. I hope to see more familiar "faces" over here!

EDIT: I was so happy to see Renee here, I didn't bother reading the rest of the replies. Sooooo...here are my thoughts on them!

My concern about writing in Clinton's name on the ballot is very similar to my thoughts on voting for Nader [or any other longshot candidate that can't possibly win]--it'll just end up being a wasted vote. And if there are enough votes thrown away on unelectable candidates, guess what? Obaminable could beat McCain. I am SO AGAINST Obama now that I just don't want to see that happen, so if it comes down to McCain, Obama, and longshot candidates, I really think I have to vote for McCain. (The feeling of satisfaction from writing in Hillary's name would be nice, but watching the returns and seeing Obama win would NOT be worth it.)

CGP
03-04-2008, 12:20 AM
I can only re-iterate what most everyone has said here; my vote goes for McCain in the ill-fated event that Obaminable is the nominee.

Love your avatar! Very bright and happy! :)

CGP
03-04-2008, 12:21 AM
ya know!

if this good ship Hillary sink at the end of the primary, i'm going down with that ship.

Especially after this townhall in TX, i don't see anyone as good as her. Her answer to the 2 veterans was more than anyone could ask for. If American doesn't have the heart, the brain, or the eyes to choose her, this country deserves to have an idiot like Bush or an airhead like Obama as the president.

Hillary will always be my president. Nobody will replace her in my heart.


Same here!

CGP
03-04-2008, 12:22 AM
Period! This is her birthright...Hillary is in this to win. She will. :D

I believe so. No-one should EVER underestimate her. She is a true fighter. And she is very intelligent and knows how to beat this man at his own game!

SD
03-04-2008, 12:27 AM
i pray hillary will not allow the democratic party try to make her drop out and that she carries this all the way to the convention.

but, if my only options in november are obama or mccain, i have to in good conscious vote for the one with experience, mccain.

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 12:28 AM
I've seen a number of polls that show Hillary's numbers creeping up somewhat. I really hope she means what she said [today? yesterday?] about continuing her campaign regardless of tomorrow's outcome, because it looks like patience may be the biggest virtue right now. If her numbers creeping back up is some sort of a trend, it'll just take a little time to let this play out and put her back on top. PLEASE, please Hillary do not give up tomorrow, no matter what happens!

joeysky18
03-04-2008, 12:42 AM
I know for sure she won't drop out. She said that this country is worth fighting for. the only problem is the money, so we have to keep her campaign afloat.
It's our responsibility to keep her going.

freespirit
03-04-2008, 12:49 AM
Early in this race, I had every intention of voting for Obama if HC was not the nominee. No longer is that the case. After all we know about him now that casts real doubt on his honesty and character, I just can't do it. Furthermore, there is no evidence of this man's ability. His voting record in IL is ridiculous. He has done little as a U.Sl. senator. His limited experience has in no way prepared him to be president. If the man was a liar with proven ability to handle the complex issues of government, I still don't think I would vote for him, but I at least would not be so anxious about the possibility of his becoming President. This is not the time in history (and I doubt there ever is a time) for on the job training for the president. She needs to be able to hit the ground running, and from what I can tell, Obama just can't find his running shoes. I will not vote for him.

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 01:58 PM
I agree that Obama's voting record is ridiculous...it's really one of THE most ridiculous things I've ever heard about a candidate who wants to be president. Of course, what's even MORE ridiculous is the mania sweeping the nation as people flock to support this man. I don't get it. :confused:

debbrad
03-04-2008, 02:25 PM
First let me say I want to vote for Hillary in the GE, I will NOT vote for BO. I will vote for McCain and I will have no problem doing it. As I said in the other forum my son is in the Navy and BO does not have the experience to lead this country. I do not trust the man at all, there are to many unknowns about him. I found a link here to a youtube video and I don't know if I believe the man or not but it was something that the radio guy said that made me wonder just what his campaign is all about. He talks about the power of the people running BO campaign. Where would a person get more information on these all powerful people? What I am talking about is close to the end of the video......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTz7nojEC80

Patsy
03-04-2008, 02:34 PM
For the Democrats to jump on Hillary to drop out after everything they have done for this Party and for this Nation is unconscionable. These Big Name Dems are pushing their own agenda with no regard for what is in the best interest of America. They are as bad as the Repubs in hating Hillary and it's because of their own failed bids to win the White House that they are so bitter.

I'll take a sex scandal when the economy was booming, living in a well respected nation with plenty for all, over someone lying to me about National Intelligence day in and day out to further their oil profits any day. Or the potential of some other self-serving, inexperienced man. He could put us so far back our grandchildren may never know the good we have know in our lives.

skc1976
03-04-2008, 03:07 PM
I want to start off by saying that I think Hillary still stands a great shot at getting the nomination for the Democratic party. And I'm definitely in her corner until that last vote has been counted and she tells us that it's over, hopefully in January 2009! I believe with my heart, mind, and soul that Hillary Clinton is the best choice for this country!

Now, should something happen and she not secure the nomination and elect not to run as an Independent (which I still think she should if the DNC cheats her), then I have no reservations about throwing my support to John McCain. I've always held a great deal of respect for John McCain and really wanted him to win the nomination over George W. Bush.

As an informed voter that does research, I cannot and will not support Barack Obama because I feel he's only qualified to lead the government of an undiscovered island. A place where he doesn't have to take a stand and say one way or the other. A place where he can make things so nice for his wife to actually be proud of the island. A place where there are no tears for his brother-in-law to criticize. A place where we don't have to hear a peep about change or see people faint when he reads from the teleprompter. For me, that is the place that Obama would be best served, not as the leader of the most important country in the world.

Again, I'm with Hillary and I'm in to win too! But, should something happen and she not be an option, I've already done my research and am ready to support someone that can and will beat Barack Obama! Here's hoping that Hillary beats him first though! :)

CGP
03-04-2008, 03:07 PM
I agree that Obama's voting record is ridiculous...it's really one of THE most ridiculous things I've ever heard about a candidate who wants to be president. Of course, what's even MORE ridiculous is the mania sweeping the nation as people flock to support this man. I don't get it. :confused:

I hear ya...

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 04:03 PM
I'm not surprised--based on their endorsement of Obama--but I'm disheartened to see the LA Times today basically calling for Clinton to drop out of the race. :(

RAFREE
03-04-2008, 04:30 PM
Because they think we are all going to rally around Obama if she does!!

How dare they shove her aside "for the good of the party" I think if we were doing what was best for this party Obama would NOT be running right now to begin with!

There will be a huge backlash from this. The CORE dems of this party have always been behind her. He split off certain factions but, she has kept her core!!

I won't drift over to him against what I feel is right. The HUBRIS of trashing her till she had to fight this hard, in every MSM outlet and THEN telling her to get out so we can "come to Obama"

I still cannot believe they don't get this or don't feel we are important enough...I really, really feel that we have to take issue with these media driven campaigns and we have to take it all the way to the convention.

RAFREE
03-04-2008, 04:46 PM
Me TOO!!!:D

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 05:24 PM
See, I'm not getting it either...why ISN'T the crap that's happened during this campaign being talked about, recognized, acknowledged, and getting the tongue-lashing it deserves? WHY are people being so blind? Why have the masses become entranced by an underqualified, wishy-washy candidate? And, worst of all, why did the media zone in on Obama and push him down our throats to the point of wanting to puke?!

I've never seen anything like this...and I hope I never do again. It's SHAMEFUL the way Hillary has been bashed and how Obama has been treated like a god. I've been outraged during the debates at the relentless hammering Clinton has gotten over things like her personal life (i.e., Bill's escapades), and how she's continually been asked the hard questions FIRST, letting Obaminable go second and just echo whatever she said. Where are the pointed personal questions for Obama?

I'm so disgusted... :mad:

RAFREE
03-04-2008, 05:36 PM
See, I'm not getting it either...why ISN'T the crap that's happened during this campaign being talked about, recognized, acknowledged, and getting the tongue-lashing it deserves? WHY are people being so blind? Why have the masses become entranced by an underqualified, wishy-washy candidate? And, worst of all, why did the media zone in on Obama and push him down our throats to the point of wanting to puke?!

I've never seen anything like this...and I hope I never do again. It's SHAMEFUL the way Hillary has been bashed and how Obama has been treated like a god. I've been outraged during the debates at the relentless hammering Clinton has gotten over things like her personal life (i.e., Bill's escapades), and how she's continually been asked the hard questions FIRST, letting Obaminable go second and just echo whatever she said. Where are the pointed personal questions for Obama?

I'm so disgusted... :mad:

I think if this costs her the nomination she should sue like Ron Paul has...sorry but, the more I think of it, the way it has demoralized SO MANY PEOPLE!, that they cannot be allowed to get away with this anymore. It was bad enough when they sold us GWB as sooo likable! BUT when they do it to our very first qualified and viable woman candidate...unacceptable. Deplorable...they have stepped into a historical moment for MANY people AND might just cost this country the most capable president we've had in a long, long time.

I'm serious about marching on the convention IF the DNC does not level the playing field here! I mean it.

I did not work for allllll the causes I have worked for all my life and with people like all of you to get up to this moment and have it STOLEN. Race? What race!!! This was an azz kissing contest between the media an B.O.!!

threedee
03-04-2008, 05:40 PM
no doubts, waffleing or maybe's

no second guessing, no apprehension

HILLARY WILL WIN

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS AND NOTHING ELSE

lorieaselin
03-04-2008, 06:32 PM
I am an independent voter, so I have no loyalty or obligation to either party, but I usually vote Democratic, especially since moving to Georgia 7 years ago (from Roch, NY). Hillary is the only one I will vote for in November, even if I have to write in her name.

I am drawing a line in the sand, and taking a firm stand, just like Hillary has always done for us.

From this day forward, I will only support and vote for those candidates who tirelessly work for universal health care, just like Hillary has always done.

I will only support and vote for those candidates who tirelessly work for equal rights, equal pay, and equal opportunity for women, just like Hillary has always done.

I will only support and vote for those candidates who tirelessly work to help abused and neglected children, and battered women, just like Hillary has always done.

Why is that the Iraq body count is plastered all over the main stream media every month, but that same media is totally silent about the fact that more than 100 women are killed by their partners EVERY MONTH in this country???????

http://www.ndvh.org/educate/abuse_in_america.html

Obviously sexism and violence against women is still acceptable in this country. It is totally unacceptable to me.

Voting for McCain is unacceptable for me and really doesn't make a statement. Staying home and not voting is unacceptable for me and really doesn't make a statement. Writing in Hillary's name makes a big statement, and then I can continue to support Hillary for her run in 2012. Maybe the country will wake up by then, since both McCain and Obama will be lousy presidents.

GO HILLARY!!!!!

Lorie in Marietta, GA

EH
03-04-2008, 06:45 PM
I will vote Republican for the first time in my life if Hillary is not the nominee. Not only that but I will match the money I sent to Hillary toward any candidate who will run against Obama and will join their grass root organization. I am to a point that I despise Obama. I can not stand watching his lies and garbage on TV any more. His campaign and the media supporting him tried to destroy the reputation of one of the greatest president this country has ever had to a point of calling him a racist. We are talking about the one president who has done more for the African American than any president after Lincoln. They tried to discredit president Clinton's economic achievement and we all know what they are doing to Hillary. I came across so many lies his callers were telling the voters in Wisconsin just to get their votes. I was thinking about writing Hillary's name as my vote in General Election but after thinking carefully I think the only way to beat Obama is to vote McCain.

AMEN!

CGP
03-04-2008, 06:51 PM
no doubts, waffleing or maybe's

no second guessing, no apprehension

HILLARY WILL WIN

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS AND NOTHING ELSE

Indeed! I second this!

CGP
03-04-2008, 06:52 PM
I am an independent voter, so I have no loyalty or obligation to either party, but I usually vote Democratic, especially since moving to Georgia 7 years ago (from Roch, NY). Hillary is the only one I will vote for in November, even if I have to write in her name.

I am drawing a line in the sand, and taking a firm stand, just like Hillary has always done for us.

From this day forward, I will only support and vote for those candidates who tirelessly work for universal health care, just like Hillary has always done.

I will only support and vote for those candidates who tirelessly work for equal rights, equal pay, and equal opportunity for women, just like Hillary has always done.

I will only support and vote for those candidates who tirelessly work to help abused and neglected children, and battered women, just like Hillary has always done.

Why is that the Iraq body count is plastered all over the main stream media every month, but that same media is totally silent about the fact that more than 100 women are killed by their partners EVERY MONTH in this country???????

http://www.ndvh.org/educate/abuse_in_america.html

Obviously sexism and violence against women is still acceptable in this country. It is totally unacceptable to me.

Voting for McCain is unacceptable for me and really doesn't make a statement. Staying home and not voting is unacceptable for me and really doesn't make a statement. Writing in Hillary's name makes a big statement, and then I can continue to support Hillary for her run in 2012. Maybe the country will wake up by then, since both McCain and Obama will be lousy presidents.

GO HILLARY!!!!!

Lorie in Marietta, GA

Well said!

CGP
03-04-2008, 06:55 PM
By the way, she WILL be the nominee so this question is a hypothetical one for days gone by when the media had Hillary in the grave! I think the cartoon below captures well how the media always tries to predict Hillary's demise, and just when they think she's down and out, she strikes back from the grave!!

http://blogs.timesunion.com/derosier/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2008-01-10.jpg

RAFREE
03-04-2008, 06:56 PM
Well said!

I AGREE with all my heart!!! I have worked with abused women and children and I can tell you that it is STILL a "hidden" issue. yes, it makes the "talk shows" but, it is NOT headline news unless it's swept under the rug after a two minute report. I KNOW if Senator Clinton wins we WILL FINALLY have a voice!!

Maplecroft
03-04-2008, 07:28 PM
petitition to vote against Obama
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 07:31 PM
I agree with everything Lorie said, except this:
Voting for McCain is unacceptable for me and really doesn't make a statement. Staying home and not voting is unacceptable for me and really doesn't make a statement. Writing in Hillary's name makes a big statement...
As I see it, and as I've said in other comments, the problem I have with casting a "protest vote" (i.e., writing in Clinton, voting for Nader, etc.) is that the net result will be taking votes away from McCain and getting Obama elected. Perhaps my logic is flawed, but I believe that this is exactly what happened in 2004 when the Democratic-inclined voters split into those voting for Kerry and those voting for Nader. Net result? Bush got re-elected. If those protest votes had been cast for Kerry--even if only a percentage had gone his way--he would've won, and while I was less than thrilled with him as a candidate, he COULDN'T have been as bad as Bush! Think about it like this: Who's pissed right now, specifically at Obama? Us Hillary supporters, right? So WE'RE the ones who will be casting protest votes--which are essentially thrown away--and only the "real" votes will count. If those same protest votes went to McCain, we could prevent Obama from being elected. THAT is more important to me than any problems I may have with the idea of voting for McCain.

Really, I just think each of us should have a little heart-to-heart talk with ourselves! Ask yourself this: "If I cast a protest vote, knowing full well that it will NOT result in my candidate getting elected, and Obama wins as a result, will I be okay with that? Or would I be happier if I voted for McCain and he beats Obama?"

Maplecroft
03-04-2008, 07:36 PM
pledge not to vote for obama
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election

EH
03-04-2008, 07:41 PM
My signature is there at number 210! Now you all go and do the same - we need to get this done!

SoCal4Hillary
03-04-2008, 08:07 PM
pledge not to vote for obama
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election
I'm there! I'm #244. :D

Sarah75
03-05-2008, 03:19 PM
I sympathize with what you are saying about not being willing to vote for BO. I don't know if I could bring myself to do it either. But I think we should be more wary of McCain as well.

T But I'm not worried about Roe v. Wade being overturned because the thing is, every Republican says they want to overturn it. And if any President would have actually gone through with it, it would have been Bush.

It's true that the President doesn't have the power to directly overturn Roe v Wade, however he or she does have the power to appoint Supreme Court justices. By appointing right wing justices, the Pres. can slowly overturn everything that is important to us, including, but not limited to, Roe v. Wade. It just takes a long time to happen. But don't be lulled into complacency. Lucky for us, the good guys and gals on the court are trying to hold out as long as they can before retiring, but they are all getting old. Bush has appointed young righties to all the openings he can so far. The fact that things aren't a lot worse now is just a hold over from the appointees of earlier Presidents (Like B. Clinton).

Without Hillary, all choices are BAD.

SO GO GO HILLARY!!!

CGP
03-05-2008, 03:22 PM
It's a mute question now! She WILL be the nominee after last night's victories!