Compassion Forum (4/13/08): Hillary (and Barack) on CNN at 5pm pacific, 8pm east

[SunnyInCal]

This is a "compassion forum" where they are supposed to talk about faith and morals.

I just don't want it to turn into a forum for Obama to excuse himself, over and over.

[joeysky18]

I bet my head that they will give him a platform to explain himself.

"I didn't mean what I said" craps.

[Annie]

This is a "compassion forum" where they are supposed to talk about faith and morals.

I just don't want it to turn into a forum for Obama to excuse himself, over and over.

I will wait for a run down from you guys. Can't bare to look at Obamamamamawhine never mind listen to his c.r.a.p. - Even for Hillary.

[underpaidnurse]

this will be the way Obama gets out of this one. Who are we kidding, its CNN, whatelse are they going to do but give him every chance and softball question to smooth things over. it would not be good for business if their chosen one screwed up.

[joeysky18]

They will make Hillary go first, so Obama can copy her like a sponge.

Also if Obama goes first it will give her an opportunity to question his answers.
So I bet he will go after Hill, and have the last say. Obots will go ozzie and smoochy after Obama's typical crap speech.

[joeysky18]

Hey, let's send email to CNN. pushing them to ask tough question on Snob. Also told them we don't like that they let Snob go after Hillary.

[Area504]

On NOW.

[Area504]

They will make Hillary go first, so Obama can copy her like a sponge.

What do you win for getting it right? ;)

[SunnyInCal]

I'ts JUST Hillary for the first half hour, then the other half hour for Barack, so it's not a debate on morals and faith

[Soren]

thx for link if there is on. cannot see one at cnn.com

[underpaidnurse]

Campbell Brown
just hammering her for slamming Obama when he obviously is a man of faith...blah blah blah..

Hillary is sooo eloquent, I love her

[Artists4Hillary]

I think it could go the other way around, with Hillary being victorious, even if CNN tries to soft peddle Obama. How is he going to "explain" this one to everyone's satisfaction? What can he say to clarify his excuse? Yeah, I bet they will ask Hillary first, so Obama gets the rebuttal. Still, Hillary will answer back with brilliance. He is soooo bad at speaking off the cuff.

I don't think this is going to sway the country's offense at his remarks. Especially in PA, IN, et. al.

Clearly Obama pushed and pushed for the "idiot" forum.

[pnevai]

OH heck it is a Hillary lynching session, figures CNN

[underpaidnurse]

She is shaming Campbell, with her quiet, thought filled, moments of grace

[joeysky18]

fill me with the details friends. I don't have tv on.

[underpaidnurse]

I don't want this to sound cult like,

but with all the hell and stress she goes through, they all go through in this process, she is so deep, thoughtful, intelligent and warm. She is what I want to show my daughter what a real true leader looks like. Her saying, i surround myself with people that often make me feel uncomfortable to help her make decisions is profound. If only Bush had had that.

[joeysky18]

What do you win for getting it right? ;)

She won the coin toss and chose to go first.! That's my woman.!

[pnevai]

Oh boy she is going to get creamed, I can see Obama scribbling like mad taking all the notes he can. I have a bad feeling about this. This venue does not play to her strengths.

[Soren]

well, at least the audio. just in time for the break.

[pnevai]

You can listen to this live from the CNN website, on the main page just find the "Listen to CNN TV" link

[underpaidnurse]

she's playing the abortion debate perfectly. They asked when does life begin, she says the potential for life begins at conception, she talks about being a methodist and the church's struggle with the contradiction and challenges of sorting the question out, but for her its not only about potential but about the other lives that are affected. After great concern and searching her own mind/heart shes decided the tast should be in the pluralistic life of this country, individuals need to make the decision, anyother way intrusion by the govt authority that it would be difficult to sustain in our open society. Abortion should remain legal but should be safe and rare. Now talking about her history of making it rare and giving woman other choices, fostercare/adoption/reduce teenage pregnancy. personally, she has been in countries with different views..china against one child policy because we need to bear witness against dehumanizing effort to dictate how families wanted to have children, romania and communism..forced to bear as many kids as possible for the betterment of the state..followed by secret police to make sure no birth control, leading up to huge Aids problem

[hillary4change]

She is doing great. Cambell Brown went after her right away..can't expect anything less from her. You know where you stand with her if your name is Hillary Clinton. It has been so long since I have watched T.V my screen is covered with dust. I have to go clean it!!!!:p:o:D:cool:

[mjoynaples]

They will make Hillary go first, so Obama can copy her like a sponge.

Also if Obama goes first it will give her an opportunity to question his answers.
So I bet he will go after Hill, and have the last say. Obots will go ozzie and smoochy after Obama's typical crap speech.

and of course she is great , intelligent and amazing and articulates herself so amazingly well- and you can bet that he is not in the back in a room with earplugs on... GO HILLARY!!!!:)

[JJ4Hillary]

she's playing the abortion debate perfectly. They asked when does life begin, she says the potential for life begins at conception, she talks about being a methodist and the church's struggle with the contradiction and challenges of sorting the question out, but for her its not only about potential but about the other lives that are affected. After great concern and searching her own mind/heart shes decided the tast should be in the pluralistic life of this country, individuals need to make the decision, anyother way intrusion by the govt authority that it would be difficult to sustain in our open society. Abortion should remain legal but should be safe and rare. Now talking about her history of making it rare and giving woman other choices, fostercare/adoption/reduce teenage pregnancy. personally, she has been in countries with different views..china against one child policy because we need to bear witness against dehumanizing effort to dictate how families wanted to have children, romania and communism..forced to bear as many kids as possible for the betterment of the state..followed by secret police to make sure no birth control, leading up to huge Aids problem


Wow, that was a great answer. I love this women/:p:)

[Wales for Hillary]

Well that was a "loaded" question right before the break.....well handled

Is the pope here already BTW???

[JJ4Hillary]

Question? was obama in the room?:confused: He is a copy cat.:p

[ActionJackson]

Campbell Brown
just hammering her for slamming Obama when he obviously is a man of faith...blah blah blah..

Hillary is sooo eloquent, I love her

I really have a strong dislike (I'm saying it nicely) for Campbell Brown. What happened to her? I used to like her, but she seems different... I don't just mean the Hillary thing.. its her whole look and attitude-- I want to say bad things about her but I'm biting my tongue so as not to be sexist inadvertantly.

Hillary will come out of this 'shining like gold'.

Hold the faith, everyone!!!

[joeysky18]

It has been so long since I have watched T.V my screen is covered with dust. I have to go clean it!!!!:p:o:D:cool:

ROFL.! Me too!..

[underpaidnurse]

its not sexist to ask why Campbell brown has turned into what she is now. One might ponder that she became like this because she feels its a way to show she is just as tough a reporter as a man.

[Wales for Hillary]

DO YOU BELIEVE GOD WANTS YOU TO BE PRESIDENT?.....WTF is that for a last question? seriously...How do you answer?

[Wales for Hillary]

DO YOU BELIEVE GOD WANTS YOU TO BE PRESIDENT?.....WTF is that for a last question? seriously...How do you answer?

Like that....she was stunning tonight in a forum that really wasn't tailor made for her. Great job Hill, you represented yourself, your faith, and your supporters well.

[pnevai]

Well now starts the love fest, May have to go and regurgitate.

[ZY123]

Did you see the way Hillary and BO interacted? It seemed so forced and fake - it reminds me of how I feel at a meeting when saying hello to someone I really don't like. I think at this point they really really dislike each other. Which in one way is good since I don't want HRC anywhere on a BO ticket should he win - she's better than that.

[Wales for Hillary]

That was a little tense....OOPs need a break now. Guess they have to take time to set up the American flags, red carpet, teleprompters, laugh boxes, soft ball questions, and 100 screaming Obamabots in the front before they get going. Good job CNN

[Patricia GA]

Obama was introduced and the crowd cheered...they had him walk down the aisle to make an entrance. That was stagging! Now here we go!

[Charlie Brown]

They will make Hillary go first, so Obama can copy her like a sponge.

Also if Obama goes first it will give her an opportunity to question his answers.
So I bet he will go after Hill, and have the last say. Obots will go ozzie and smoochy after Obama's typical crap speech.

and they did....

[Jayling]

Like that....she was stunning tonight in a forum that really wasn't tailor made for her. Great job Hill, you represented yourself, your faith, and your supporters well.
I have to disagree, this is the second time I heard someone say this in this thread -- these types of forums do show how deep and knowledgeable she is. Hillary excels in speaking without notes, speech writers, and teleprompters.

I missed the majority of this, dang it, will have to catch it on rerun.

[mkreyns]

I didn't get to see the beginning of the program. Why can't BAM BAM go first for a change. I hope they had a standing ovation for Hillary. I am convinced that this is just to cover BAM BAM over the Rev. Wright issue.

[Area504]

What a tap dance he's doing. :mad:

[underpaidnurse]

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[Jayling]

I didn't get to see the beginning of the program. Why can't BAM BAM go first for a change. I hope they had a standing ovation for Hillary. I am convinced that this is just to cover BAM BAM over the Rev. Wright issue.
Actually, the putzes made her stay on stage for his grand entrance -- which was a standing ovation as he strode in Messiahlike.

Pricks.

[mjoynaples]

well, Campbell B. prooves her infatuation... she gives him the forum and he is simply NOT as GREAT as HILLARY he is going nowhere... he is spineless....oh blaming other people for his words....he is awful.... :mad:

[Patricia GA]

They will repeat it on CNN later.

[ZY123]

Actually, the putzes made her stay on stage for his grand entrance -- which was a standing ovation as he strode in Messiahlike.

Pricks.


Yes the "little woman" needed to be there for the "big man's" grand entrance. :mad:

BO - the great messiah - never never never will I vote for him.

[ZforHill]

She did great. She answered the God questions wonderfully, getting applauses and bursts of laughter. Can someone check if they uploaded the video on cnn?

[pnevai]

He is trying to spin what he said was that during tough times poeple turn to religon and that is a good thing. Bull, suppose that they tur to guns for the same reason. Where is the Rev Wright question????????

[Patricia GA]

I do not think he speaks from heart...I think he says what he thinks he should say. Anyone else? I felt Hillary's heart when she spoke.

[mjoynaples]

DID SHE GET A STANDING OVATION when she came out? I was sickened by what CB did making her stay on stage for his ENTRANCE... I missed the first 10 mins can someone recap??? *(he is awful...)

[joeysky18]

Actually, the putzes made her stay on stage for his grand entrance -- which was a standing ovation as he strode in Messiahlike.

Pricks.


You know what, they are pretty stupid to treat her like that. It just solidify Hillary supporters more.

[ZY123]

DID SHE GET A STANDING OVATION when she came out? I was sickened by what CB did making her stay on stage for his ENTRANCE...

It was absolutely disgusting! And why we need to keep the protest movement going. The United States treats a woman candidate like this - SICK.

I missed the beginning as well.

[Patricia GA]

His answer on abortion sounds clinical to me.

[underpaidnurse]

I believe she should have gone second. All he is going to do is build upon her answers that got good responses

[mjoynaples]

I do not think he speaks from heart...I think he says what he thinks he should say. Anyone else? I felt Hillary's heart when she spoke.

I was actually enjoying the questions and Hillary's amazing responses so real wonderful -WE NEED HER TO BE OUR PRESIDENT!!!!!

[pnevai]

He is quoteing Hillary 50% of his answers!!

[underpaidnurse]

Campbell...you know she said you were elitist...Can you spin this more...you are like every highschool girl that goes, well....did you hear what she said....blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. .sorry, at least when I bang my head on the keyboard, i find the same place every time.

[joeysky18]

I believe she should have gone second. All he is going to do is build upon her answers that got good responses

She won the coin toss and chose to go first. That's my woman!

She is tough! It's Hillary lynching forum and she's ready for it.

[CGP]

Glad I am not watching this drivel.

Whatever happened to separation of Church and State?

[pnevai]

Non committal dodged the question on when life begins

[underpaidnurse]

okay, don't remember if it was here or at Taylor Marsh's they suggested a new drinking game called Uggh, you knows by Barak...if I was playing (and ummm..uhhh, really, I would never even remotely think about that seriously) I'd be nose to the floor unable to hang on to the floorboards this early into this event

[underpaidnurse]

Oh look, Obama got a question his handlers prepared him for..you could noticeably see him perk up, sit up in hhis chair..it was about abortion

[Christines]

I heard him try to explain his bitter flap!

[NewHamster]

Did she really choose to go first???

[ZY123]

Whatever happened to separation of Church and State?

It seems to be long gone doesn't it?

[Patricia GA]

Yes all stood up when she came out. And they applauded. But the camera had to follow Obama down the "run way" when he made his entrance...so camera on him longer.

[pnevai]

Quoting Hillary again about Bush Program.

[victory]

DID SHE GET A STANDING OVATION when she came out? I was sickened by what CB did making her stay on stage for his ENTRANCE... I missed the first 10 mins can someone recap??? *(he is awful...)

Yes, she did get a standing ovation when she came out. However, it wasn't the rock star moment CNN staged for Obama.

[Christines]

He said he worked with grandmas in Africa on the aides project! I wonder if they were the "typical white" grandmas??? Have you noticed his stutter again? He does it when he gets nervous!

[pnevai]

Did he just call Women more promiscuous?

[joeysky18]

Did she really choose to go first???

Yeah, a blogger at NoQuarter said so.

[CGP]

Did he just call Women more promiscuous?

Anything is possible from him. I am not watching this drivel so I don't know...

[ZY123]

OMG - watch they're giving him a chance to "explain away" everything controversial he's ever said. Would they EVER do that for Hillary? NO!

[underpaidnurse]

Asking about end of life issues now..and fifty million years later..they have to ask again about what about end of life...and he still said crap..

I have finally figure out how he can win...he talks in circles for so long no one remembers what the hell the question was in the first place

[samkm]

He has not worked on anything anywhere on aides. We can count the number of times he has been to Africa and exactly where he went and what he did while there.


This is a "COMPASSION FOR OBAMA" forum. Giving him "COME BACK" forum to explain all the things he GOOFED on.

[pnevai]

OH now he is trying to dodge around the punished by babies comment. Is his way for saying we should prevent teen pregnancies. Tap dance Obama Tap dance.

Not one bit of applause on that answer.

[underpaidnurse]

oooohhhh..he took an aids test with Michelle in Africa, and all the times he's visited his dad in africa

[Christines]

He said that kids will "screw up," to the minister asking the question about sex education!

[Patricia GA]

I have finally figure out how he can win...he talks in circles for so long no one remembers what the hell the question was in the first place


LOL LOVE THAT ONE!

[underpaidnurse]

you do realize that MSM will talk about how insightful and wonderful he was tonight, even tho if anyone watching would see a difference.

[samkm]

Mega stutters. No eloquence. Trying hard to make points. Has no faith. Doesnt know what he believes. Needs to think through because HE HAS NOT GIVEN IT MUCH THOUGHT BEFORE and IT SHOWS!!!:eek:

[mkreyns]

Actually, the putzes made her stay on stage for his grand entrance -- which was a standing ovation as he strode in Messiahlike.

Pricks.
Yeah, thanks I saw that, but I didn't get to see when Hillary came in. I hope she got a standing ovation and applause.

[Charlie Brown]

OMG...They asked him what he ment when he said he wouldnt want his daughter punished with a baby..He answers he was talking about a 12 or 13 year old being PG and not wanting them punished..He is so full of it...

[mjoynaples]

oh here goes he is going to excuse himself once again he didn't really say "punished by a baby" he is calling having a baby and getting pregnant a mistake... that sounds like a punishment... he cannot speak he doesn't know the depths to these questions or issues... a dumb mistake? having sex and getting pregnant... he is so simplistic....and it feels judgemental and he is very defensive the way he says "I am christian..."

[underpaidnurse]

its the womans fault because the biggest group is 18-25 woman. Promiscuity is the biggist part of the spread of AIDS

[samkm]

They missed the obvious question. Why did you stay through hateful sermons.

[Charlie Brown]

Yeah, thanks I saw that, but I didn't get to see when Hillary came in. I hope she got a standing ovation and applause.

I didnt see her come in either...I was wondering the same thing?????

[Artists4Hillary]

You know what, they are pretty stupid to treat her like that. It just solidify Hillary supporters more.

D*** them all to H***.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hand-picked the audience too.

Yep, it makes us stronger than ever, and solidifies under no circumstances will we vote for Obama.

[Wyoming Dem]

Pro OB Crowd....go figure.

[underpaidnurse]

okay, somehow I think my tv is on a time delay, because I'm like ten minutes behind everyone else

[samkm]

A hand-picked Pro-OB crowd for sure. Pass the kool-aid.. They are obviously in their mega kool-aid drunken state.

[hillary4change]

I kust walked out there and heard Oblahblah say something about "Is it part of Gods plan to have me be President, I look forward to that colaboration??? Is that what he said? I missed part of it..what was he trying to say?

[ZY123]

A hand-picked Pro-OB crowd for sure. Pass the kool-aid..

I hope at least they used the lime flavor kool-aid - those drinking it should at least get something out of it in the end. ;-)

[Patricia GA]

He goes aahh ummm and they applaud. I do not get it!

[eyedoc333]

I loved Hillary's discussion about the Book of Esther. It was perfect, given the question "what is your favorite Biblical story?" and brought the idea of having female role models, even in the Bible.

[pnevai]

Oh boy he is loosing it, completely clueless on the global warming issue, all he could do was invoke gores name, even though Hillary never mentioned him. No grasp on the issue. So now he is just babbleing, what is he babbeling about????

[ActionJackson]

DID SHE GET A STANDING OVATION when she came out? I was sickened by what CB did making her stay on stage for his ENTRANCE... I missed the first 10 mins can someone recap??? *(he is awful...)

Did he get the standing ovation for coming in...

or

Did she get the standing ovation for her appearance????


How is one to tell?

I think the only standing ovation during a debate was for her in Texas!!

I'm tuned in now on line... here's what he said...

uh,uh,uh,uh,uh

I can't wait for more... and lets see if he gets an ovation at the end!

President Hillary 08

[Wales for Hillary]

Wow....I was trying to think how they would softball the Rev Wright question,and wasnt even close. Congrats CNN you truly out did yourself.

[SunnyInCal]

I really didn't like how they made her wait on stage for his entrance. What the hell was that for? It's not like they both sat there for equal questioning.

They have drunk the kool aid there. He's getting more applause and when you look past the first few rows of the religious people, everyone else is youngins..

[WV4Hillary]

So someone..I can't/don't want to watch Obama. So tell me, honestly, who will benefit the most from this forum? Who really looked and spoke the best? Don't give me a pro-Hillary spin...I'm a big boy I can take it. I'm not gonna vote for Obama. So just..in all honesty, I have to know. Who did the best?

[joeysky18]

Oh boy he is loosing it, completely clueless on the global warming issue

Oh Yeah!

[Christines]

What a phony! He has everything memorized! I know because I use to do it in college! He can't do anything on the spur of the moment!He is ready to place in his prepared answers for any questions or stick them in wherever he can! He mentioned Rev. Wright! He had to get him in there and how he had disagreed with him!

[mjoynaples]

Yes all stood up when she came out. And they applauded. But the camera had to follow Obama down the "run way" when he made his entrance...so camera on him longer.

not to mention CB gives him the next question... oh here goes PASTOR WRIGHT... and oh he quotes his book, oh yes, he was an organizer and that is why later as an adult he choose to give money to a slumlord and make housing for the poor impossible to live in and he now is speaking to Wright's social gospel he finds "very attractive" oh now he is dissing him as a spiritual advisor he was (ONLY) my pastor... "loop... Wright's greatest hits ohhh applause so that means they ACCEPT HIM... and he avoids answering the question and the narcissist he his makes it all about himself and we have to deal with it ... not him. teflon... ugh:mad:

[Wales for Hillary]

Alright Im turning this shi+ off. The crowd is ooohing and aaaahing over Rev Wrights comments now. We will never have a fair election. Im done with this.

[Annie]

Did she really choose to go first???


Hillary is jsut so not political. She should have picked second for gawd's sakes.

[pnevai]

He just made an out right lie about Wright saying that he was never his spiritual mentor, contray to what he wrote in his own book, and said to the media. He never went to a catholic school in Indonesia he went to Mosque and an islamic school, another bald face lie, how come they are allowing him to Lie to their faces?

[Lodi]

...except to the Kool-Aid-besotted audience. That the cult of personality wins out is a sad commentary on the superficial nature of too many in our society.

Obama strikes me as the Paris Hilton of the political world. The Founders must be turning in their graves!

[Christines]

They gave him a chance to talk about Indonesia! He said that his first school was Catholic!! He went to a tolerant Islam school. Christians felt comfortable there! Islam can be compatible with the modern world and other religions! He is suspicious of trying to portray Islam with a broad brush!

[maximuss]

Is it just me or does it seem that the audience seem to be full of Obama supporters . Good work CNN

[freethinker]

He has a way of talking about God that sounds so sterile and clinical and premeditated. He copies Hillary's answers but without the heart. The difference between their respective deliveries is dramatic.

She was thoughtful and warm and open to the mystery of faith and God.

Really spoke from the heart. Incredibly humble!!

He's explaining his relationship with Wright in terms of community service?

Promiscuity is part of the spread of Aids.

He makes me sick. Everything about his answers seems political and calculated.

Not a spiritual or compassionate bone in his body. He seems so arrogant and knowing of what is expected of him by God.

[ActionJackson]

This guy is boring...!!

What is he rambling about?

[samkm]

He said his mother was very religious. And didnt go to church much.. DING! DONG!

His mother was notoriously athiest. Never went to church.

He went to mosques till he was 10 or so.. He has been annointed with Koran. They drill it into their brains in the Madrasa. This has not come out yet. Why? Is Muslim religion less important to you?

Gosh, he is so inarticulate! He is a YAAAAAWN!

[mkreyns]

He said something right. He is a sinner and he is not perfect. However he is very cynical about everyone being bad.

[Wales for Hillary]

So someone..I can't/don't want to watch Obama. So tell me, honestly, who will benefit the most from this forum? Who really looked and spoke the best? Don't give me a pro-Hillary spin...I'm a big boy I can take it. I'm not gonna vote for Obama. So just..in all honesty, I have to know. Who did the best?

No spin. By crowd reaction, pundit reaction, and the level of questioning they each recieved. Obama won. If you are uninformed and just tuning it on. Obama won....

OH come on.....he just said yes to a question and they applauded

[ZY123]

*turning it off in disgust*

I haven't watched any news except FOX in a long long time - looks as though I should have kept it that way. What a joke of a network - and BO lies and lies and lies (and spins and spins and spins) about his comments and the flock bows down and cheers. What is wrong with this country?

[Christines]

It is obvious that the young students are Obama people! Now he talking about the truth behind his bitter comments!! He is a phony! He is wiggling out of it!

[SunnyInCal]

by the way, why is it he is getting more time than Hillary?

She got the first 45 before they went to the break and brought him on stage

he's at 45 minutes now

so where is the last half hour

[pnevai]

PLANTED QUESTION JUST FOR HIM TO PONTIFICATE ABOUT, BS, BS this is such a sham now. This last question about making a commitment to cut poverty in half was planted just for obama. This has now turned into a circus, Now Obama is on a rant right in he comfort zone. NICE JOB CNN

[mjoynaples]

WAKE UP AMERICA and stop drinking the Koolaid... he doesn't know anything... he is saying he is giving his stump speech and name dropping "bob casey" yadayaya he is sickening... I am ready to stop watching.. previously he even patted himself on the back about his past 'great race speech'


oh ya the theme what is it???

[Patricia GA]

I noticed some of applause he is getting is not from the majority of the crowd on some of these questions.

[freethinker]

Now he's just doing a political speech and spinning his ****, bankruptcy, healthcare, bitterness, middleclass sector, economy, improving education, afterschool programs, blah, blah, blah, SHUT UP!!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

I really have a strong dislike (I'm saying it nicely) for Campbell Brown. What happened to her? I used to like her, but she seems different... I don't just mean the Hillary thing.. its her whole look and attitude-- I want to say bad things about her but I'm biting my tongue so as not to be sexist inadvertantly.

Hillary will come out of this 'shining like gold'.

Hold the faith, everyone!!!

well I'll say it I Hate campbell Brown

[mkreyns]

Wow! He met a guy who couldn't pay for gas to look for a job. He was out of a job and it was getting to the point that he didn't have the money to get to the job interview. Like, no kidding Dick Tracy.

[CGP]

I refuse to watch CNN. So, thankfully I have been spared watching the elitism you are all describing.

[Soren]

ramble ramble
he copied Hillary pretty succinctly - the remainder is a ramble.

is there also a debate this Wednesday night? I hope this is not the "debate" I have been waiting for??

[CGP]

Is it just me or does it seem that the audience seem to be full of Obama supporters . Good work CNN

It's a CNN event - of course they will stack the audience with supporters of the candidate that CNN endorses.

[Wales for Hillary]

We dont Torture 5secs of appluase
We dont contract torture 5 more secs

What is CB email address...lets flood it this is horseshi+

And why does he get more time?

[ActionJackson]

I missed Hillary... did she just recite her campaign platform or did she talk about faith?

Are they going to ask him about his favorite Bible verse and let him talk knowingly about the Bible, like Hillary?

Oh, now here's a question about torture against terrorists. Hmm.

I think I have to turn this off... he's not talking about religion. He was most specific about Islam (its one of my classes right now, so I know he was right on about it) but talking about coming to Jesus he just said he chose the church he went to because of their ministries.

He will never be President.

Hillary will win. Keep the faith!!!

[mkreyns]

He is going to lead with his d***!

[hillary4change]

So someone..I can't/don't want to watch Obama. So tell me, honestly, who will benefit the most from this forum? Who really looked and spoke the best? Don't give me a pro-Hillary spin...I'm a big boy I can take it. I'm not gonna vote for Obama. So just..in all honesty, I have to know. Who did the best?


He is bumbling and stumbling but ofcourse it makes no difference. Lots of applause, but if you look at the crowd it is loud applause by not that many people. His apologists are in the crowd trying to put a spin on the crowd approval meter. That is what I have observed when I walk out there. You can tell that some of the applause has been from large parts of the crowd.

[renee]

She was great and the first few questions were directed more at her personal faith as opposed to what was asked of Obama. She acknowledged that she has been tested often and that her faith has been her bedrock.
Her answers show depth and a huge understanding of the importance of being accepting of all faiths.

[pnevai]

The Love fest has begun. This is a disgrace they just gave him 5 minutes to push his stump speech. The next to las two questions were obvious plants, CNN must think the American public the ones not on Kool Aid at so stupid not to recognize a planted question when we hear one.

[Charlie Brown]

and Campbell Brown has changed she always has a schowl on her face...She is bitter...What did she want the head anchor job at NBC and they gave it to Meridth...She was sweet back then But when She even says Hillarys name she brisels...I think she burns me more then the sexist men...ARRRRRRR!!!!!

[Lodi]

Hmm...I wonder what he thinks about the simpering sycophants who cling to him like a religion. Especially when he knows deep down that he's empty. ICK!

[pnevai]

He is going out to say HI to some of his people in the audience.

[Jayling]

Now he's just doing a political speech and spinning his ****, bankruptcy, healthcare, bitterness, middleclass sector, economy, improving education, afterschool programs, blah, blah, blah, SHUT UP!!!!!
^^ what she said!

I'm literally speechless, and oh so disgusted...

[mjoynaples]

now obama says he spoke to the Sojourners group two years ago so that my friends was a set up question...this is all bs...shutting it off it is disgusting and WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT HILLARY WINS PA BY a significant amount to get the message out!!!!

oh and now he is signing autographs he is sickening... he is a pop star...WE NEED A PRESIDENT

[Soren]

who take 100% longer than anyone to answer.

Hillary was glowing with "god". She was radiant.

this guy's a professor in mid-career - except for som reason he's been made into a popular action figure.

[MassLib]

Can somebody fact check what Obama said about why he joined Wright's church?

I heard Obama say he visited Trinity after being asked by preachers why he didn't attend church when he was organizing for them. Obama said he saw the work Trinity was doing for HIV/AIDS and Prison ministries. But eh said twice as far as I remember that the HIV ministry inspired him so he joined Wright's church.

Wright's church did not have a HIV/AIDS ministry when Obama joined them.

For this reason, the Trinity United Church of Christ HIV/AIDS Support Ministry began. On December 5, 1993, Pastor Wright dedicated our ministry with its 31 members. As of 1998, we have over 70 Trinitarians who have taken the required 20 hours of training and dedicated themselves in the fight against HIV and AIDS.

http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm
Bachelor of Arts degree from Columbia in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and New York Public Interest Research Group before moving to Chicago in 1985 to take a job as a community organizer.[14][15] He entered Harvard Law School in 1988.[16] In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104 year history."[17] Obama completed his law degree magna cum laude in 1991, then returned to Chicago where he headed a voter registration drive and began writing his first book, Dreams from My Father, published in 1995.


Obama met his future wife, Michelle Robinson, in 1988 when he was employed as a summer associate at the Chicago law firm of Sidley & Austin.[163] Assigned for three months as Obama's adviser at the firm, Robinson joined him at group social functions, but declined his initial offers to date.[164] They began dating later that summer, became engaged in 1991, and were married in October 1992. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
So Obama was a member before he was married, right (no pun intended)?

So he was a member before there was a HIV/AIDS ministry.

I know FOR A FACT that many black churches were LATE to the call to fight HIV/AIDS. Their homophobia kept them in the dark. I know they were involved in prison ministries. But ...

[DrLisa]

I watched all of it. Actually Hillary looked so much better on every point than BO. I lost count of how many times he said "uh". And just the fact they asked him about Wright and his latest religion blunder will stick in the viewers minds. He said it says to "cling to what is good". So does that mean antipathy is good????? Aparently he thinks so.

[ActionJackson]

They asked Hillary, "When does life begin?"

They asked Ohlahma, "Is torture ok?"

Ah, the after talk pundit, said Obhlalala was more fluent (and he stressed the word).

Now, Roland Martin... wonder what his view is?

[Wales for Hillary]

Roland Martin just called himself an independant. IS Jack Cafferty and independant as well???

[MassLib]

Can somebody fact checkw what Obama said about why he joined Wright's church?

I heard Obama say he visited Trinity after being asked by preachers why he didn't attend church when he was organizing for them. Obama said he saw teh work Trinityw as doing for HIV/AIDS and Prison ministries. But eh said twice as far as I remember that teh HIV ministry inspired him so he joined Wright's church.

Wright's church did not have a HIV/AIDS ministry when Obama joined them.



So Obama was a member before he was married, right (no pun intended)?

So he was a member before there was a HIV/AIDS ministry.

I know FOR A FACT that many black churches were LATE to the call to fight HIV/AIDS. Their homophobia kept them in the dark. I know they were involved in prison ministries. But ...

can somebody have (I don't want to contact the campaign yet) the Clinton campaign look into this or get a media sniffer on this?
:cool:

[Soaring Eagle]

I watched Hillary and turned the channel as soon as Obama walked out! I cannot stomach to look at or hear him!

[MassLib]

Roland Martin just called himself an independant. IS Jack Cafferty and independant as well???

Jack's an angry drunk.

[Jayling]

Murray, smart move on not watching CNN.

Okay, at the end of Hillary's faith conversation, Brown told her to stay on stage as they brought in her opponent. So she had to stand there to his standing ovation and cheers in his Messiah walk down the runway. After he got up on stage, a shake of hands and they go to commercial, so we don't have a chance to see her leave the arena.

At the end of Messiah's faith conversation, they allow him to stay with the crowd, keeping the camera split-screen, the larger portion on him as he clasps people's hands while the pundits drool on and on over on the other screen.

Fair play I guess --- NOT!

[JJ4Hillary]

Who cares about CNN debate?:(

I'm waiting for the ABC debate.:D:D ABC is fair Channel.

[joeysky18]

I think we can safely said that Hillary came out even. She didn't hurt her chance and that's pretty much you can hope for in the Hillary lynching forum that CNN staged.

Obama came out better in a sense that it gave his supporters some relief that he had a chance to clear himself. But he wasn't able to cut into Hillary's base.

all in all, the undecided voters will probably remain undecided.

So we are back to work on making phone call, and blog for Hillary. She will have a better chance to slam him in the upcoming debate.

[UpstateNYRN]

I am freaking out! This is a total crock! Another come to the rescue of Obama because he stuck his foot in his big mouth, forum. I wish Hillary had chosen to go second. I think she went first because she was afraid that the media would start in again about her stating she always goes first. And, to hell with this make nice stuff. Obama should be selling cars instead of running for president. :mad:

[samkm]

Great summary. I think the audience did see the difference in dynamism of the two candidates; it was unmistakable that Hillary knows her religion and values and where she stands very well and BO far less so.

The lie about his mom will be added to the laundry list of lies. It will be examined closely. That is a new item!

[Area504]

Can somebody fact check what Obama said about why he joined Wright's church?

In his first book he states he joined Trinity to give himself street cred in order to help him with his community organizing efforts.

[RachachaSharon]

That was a little tense....OOPs need a break now. Guess they have to take time to set up the American flags, red carpet, teleprompters, laugh boxes, soft ball questions, and 100 screaming Obamabots in the front before they get going. Good job CNN

I love the way you set the scene. Good one.

[ActionJackson]

He just made an out right lie about Wright saying that he was never his spiritual mentor, contray to what he wrote in his own book, and said to the media. He never went to a catholic school in Indonesia he went to Mosque and an islamic school, another bald face lie, how come they are allowing him to Lie to their faces?

actually... he did go to a catholic school... but, you are right... all the rest was a lie.

[MassLib]

Did anyone see what I am talking about with Obama and one of the main reasons he says he joined Rev. Wright's church?

I smell a big fib. and in front of church leaders

[MassLib]

In his first book he states he joined Trinity to give himself street cred in order to help him with his community organizing efforts.

Hey it's me. <*wink>

(I had lost something)

Look at what I wrote. I see a story. If it is what I see it as it is a huge story.

[Area504]

Hey it's me. <*wink>

(I had lost something)

Look at what I wrote. I see a story. If it is what I see it as it is a huge story.

I'd have to go back and listen more carefully to what he said in that answer.

and...*wink....yes, I figured as much! :D

[Hoosier]

I think Hillary will hold onto her base and Obama supporters are too brainwashed to see the Emperor has no clothes. I think alot of those undecided voters do not follow the news but will in fact vote for Hillary after hearing about clinging to guns and religion and essentially calling them bigots. I am also confident Hillary will win by a double digit margin in PA inspite of the media spin.

[freethinker]

The difference between their two responses could not have been more different. She simply radiated serenity, calmness and acceptance of what we are given but may rise, through grace to do whatever we can to be there for one another.

He was all about explaining the expediency and political aspects of church, beliefs and the law.
How his religion informs his decisions almost like it is a list of rules and a platform to reach people.

She is a deeply spiritual person. And what I took from this is that she has an inner serenity and guide so that no matter what happens, she will do what comes next, whatever is placed in front of her, as a calling to a purpose to be there for others. She even said that God's grace had less to do with oneself and more to do with one's relationship to others.

She is a beautiful person. I feel like I know her so much better now.

I felt PEACE when she spoke. I love her.

[Area504]

Hey it's me. <*wink>

(I had lost something)

Look at what I wrote. I see a story. If it is what I see it as it is a huge story.

OK, just played back that part. He said he found Trinity's ministries very attractive - and yes, he mentioned their work with HIV/Aids and the prison ministry.

[Jayling]

The difference between their two responses could not have been more different. She simply radiated serenity, calmness and acceptance of what we are given but may rise, through grace to do whatever we can to be there for one another.

He was all about explaining the expediency and political aspects of church, beliefs and the law.
How his religion informs his decisions almost like it is a list of rules and a platform to reach people.

She is a deeply spiritual person. And what I took from this is that she has an inner serenity and guide so that no matter what happens, she will do what comes next, whatever is placed in front of her, as a calling to a purpose to be there for others. She even said that God's grace had less to do with oneself and more to do with one's relationship to others.

She is a beautiful person. I feel like I know her so much better now.

I felt PEACE when she spoke. I love her.

Beautifully spoken, Freethinker. I'd almost like to close this thread right here and now just to have this as everyone's last thought.

Thank you.

[PA_Voter]

They will make Hillary go first, so Obama can copy her like a sponge.

Also if Obama goes first it will give her an opportunity to question his answers.
So I bet he will go after Hill, and have the last say. Obots will go ozzie and smoochy after Obama's typical crap speech.

_________________________________________

You should have given 100:1 odds that Obama would have gone first and you would have made a bundle... But no one would have taken the bet in the first place! Good call!

[joeysky18]

The difference between their two responses could not have been more different. She simply radiated serenity, calmness and acceptance of what we are given but may rise, through grace to do whatever we can to be there for one another.

He was all about explaining the expediency and political aspects of church, beliefs and the law.
How his religion informs his decisions almost like it is a list of rules and a platform to reach people.

She is a deeply spiritual person. And what I took from this is that she has an inner serenity and guide so that no matter what happens, she will do what comes next, whatever is placed in front of her, as a calling to a purpose to be there for others. She even said that God's grace had less to do with oneself and more to do with one's relationship to others.

She is a beautiful person. I feel like I know her so much better now.

I felt PEACE when she spoke. I love her.

Agree with your every words. She will win PA anyway. This CNN forum won't change a damn thing.

[Area504]

Did everyone catch what MassLib was getting at in this (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=50146&postcount=149) post?

It appears that The Chosen One has been caught in another lie. I played back that part of the interview, and Obama did indeed say he joined Trinity b/c he was attracted by their ministries; and he specifically mentioned their HIV/Aids and prison ministries.

[RachachaSharon]

and Campbell Brown has changed she always has a schowl on her face...She is bitter...What did she want the head anchor job at NBC and they gave it to Meridth...She was sweet back then But when She even says Hillarys name she brisels...I think she burns me more then the sexist men...ARRRRRRR!!!!!

Does she have a gun to go with her bitterness?

[Aria]

Mega stutters. No eloquence. Trying hard to make points. Has no faith. Doesnt know what he believes. Needs to think through because HE HAS NOT GIVEN IT MUCH THOUGHT BEFORE and IT SHOWS!!!:eek:

And did you hear the guy on CNN say that Obama was more fluent in his answers?!!! No one listening could agree with that - what a joke! Hillary,as always, gave such thoughtful, well-articulated, heartfelt and yes, eloquent answers. She always shines in a Q&A format. Her ability to organize her thoughts on the spot is simply amazing!

I agree that CNN is trying to help him out of his problems. I also think that it was very disrespectful of Campbell Brown to ask Hillary to stay for O's grand entrance. In that way, one couldn't be sure who the applause was for. Hillary deserved much better than to be "dismissed" like that. If the American people are smart enough, this will backfire on both CNN and BO.

Seems to me that he didn't get any applause, however, when he tried to shift the blame to Hillary for the (wide) reaction to his remarkably stupid, insensitive remarks about Pennsyvanians and the working class in general. Now he says he could have said it better. That's at least the second time he's used that excuse when he's been in trouble. For someone who is supposed to be a great orator, he sure has a lot of trouble coming up with his own words!

[Linda C]

He certainly is" creating and co-creating" that myth of himself.

Hillary is older and churched... . Her entire approach is going to be different and calmer. She doesn't have that liner of "being converted" experience that allot of people just eat up.

So Obama lied. Ithought hesaid he got involved in the church to help his political aspirations.

In all fairness of Rev. Wright...He could have been an early one into the HIV/AIDS outreach. Did Obama mention that in his book?????

Obama trip to working with AIDS in Africa.

When Obama went to S. Africa he blasted the government for their "denial" of the need for medical treatment for HIV patients a day before he had hoped to meet with their president. The meeting needless to say never happened. Mr. I know Foreign Policy better than anyone.

That was after Kenya when he blasted their President and then traveled around and spoke on behalf of Odinga who later claimed they were cousins. This guy really knows local politics and tribal customs in foreign countries. Nothing like being a US Senator and publicly blasting the government and then traveling around the country side with a presidential candidate from another party who manipulated it for everything it was worth. Stupid man

[RachachaSharon]

I can't watch the man, so I didn't tune in. I want to think that people aren't so blind that they can't see the blatant favoritism at play here. Somewhere along the line we have to trust that people will begin to see what BO is really about.

[Morgan]

Hillery was brilliant, they threw all the tough questions at her. She can definitely think on her feet.

This whole show was for Obamas benefit. There is nothing in Hillery's religious past that was questioned or needed to be rehabilitated.

[user312]

A few points first.

1. Hillary won the coin toss and chose to go first.
2. Though there were different Q askers and phrasing, the root of Q's were the same.
3. Hillary was not asked the "Torture" question. Sexism? Is that just a Guy Q?
4. Both got standing ovations.
5. I believe Hillary got more audience applause response to her answers than Obama.

Performance:

In my opinion Hillary really came across way ahead of Obama. She was prepared, knowledgeable, articulate and hers responses were delivered effortlessly with only a couple of brief pauses.

Obama although articulate at times he appeared to be searching for the right words often looking at the floor. His answers had less depth and detail. Lied about Rev. Wright -saying he was only his pastor (not spiritual adviser,mentor). During response on global warming he injects "By the way I think Gore won." Clinton campaign needs to capitalize on that.

There you have it my friends "user312"s' mini review, thanks you for reading it.

Note: This review may not be the opinion of my family, friends, dog, cats -but is absolutely shared by my pet hamster "Elvis".

[Charlie Brown]

And did you hear the guy on CNN say that Obama was more fluent in his answers?!!! No one listening could agree with that - what a joke! Hillary,as always, gave such thoughtful, well-articulated, heartfelt and yes, eloquent answers. She always shines in a Q&A format. Her ability to organize her thoughts on the spot is simply amazing!

I agree that CNN is trying to help him out of his problems. I also think that it was very disrespectful of Campbell Brown to ask Hillary to stay for O's grand entrance. In that way, one couldn't be sure who the applause was for. Hillary deserved much better than to be "dismissed" like that. If the American people are smart enough, this will backfire on both CNN and BO.

Seems to me that he didn't get any applause, however, when he tried to shift the blame to Hillary for the (wide) reaction to his remarkably stupid, insensitive remarks about Pennsyvanians and the working class in general. Now he says he could have said it better. That's at least the second time he's used that excuse when he's been in trouble. For someone who is supposed to be a great orator, he sure has a lot of trouble coming up with his own words!

Hilary could have declined but she never does just like at the Black Caucus she was there but where was Barack???John McCain declined the forum at messia university.

[Patricia GA]

There you have it my friends "user312"s' mini review, thanks you for reading it.


Good Review!

[luvhillary]

Ok. I'm going out on a limb here. I think it was really done well. And I am in absolute shock at the commentary afterwards. I did not get a sense of Hillary bashing at all. (Although I only watched the first 1/2 hour).As a matter of fact they were saying how well she did in showing the softer side of her in which I totally agree. They also were criticizing BO on not laying the "bitter" thing to rest effectively. Hillary was humanized (imagine that!) and her responses did not sound rehearsed. It was clear that Obama had rehearsed his answers, copied Hillary on some points, stumbled through many other points, and overall was PANDERING for a vote. I do believe that Hillary missed a few key points (like the guy who asked her about medicine for the poor and she mentioned trade and stuff when I really think she should have brought up her health care plan!) BUT I think the reasoning behind it was not to appear like Obama did and bringing out the regular stump speech. It seemed as she really took the theme to heart and showed a very soft and graceful side to her. I think she did well especially when speaking on such a personal matter to anyone.

[BloodDAnna]

I watched Hillary, she started putting the spouse to sleep because "She's just so calm" :) We both watched about 5-10 minutes of Obama and convened to the other room so we could be online and listen to him....about 7 more minutes and the spouse went in and turned the channel, he couldn't take it anymore.

[Aria]

[QUOTE=joeysky18;50140]I think we can safely said that Hillary came out even. She didn't hurt her chance and that's pretty much you can hope for in the Hillary lynching forum that CNN staged.

Obama came out better in a sense that it gave his supporters some relief that he had a chance to clear himself. But he wasn't able to cut into Hillary's base.

all in all, the undecided voters will probably remain undecided.

I think that she came out way ahead in the minds of anyone expecting an honest conversation about faith and compassion. Of course, it will probably not be reported that way, especially on CNN, but she was much more interesting to listen to and explained her beliefs in a very personal way. She was open, sincere, and quite compelling. Obama said only things he's said in his over-rated speeches - he didn't really let you in on his deepest self - or maybe that was his deepest self. (Forgive me - I usually try to speak only positively, but it's getting harder and harder by the day!).

The more I hear Hillary talk extemporaneously, the more I am amazed at the depth of this woman. Several months ago, Bill said it best: "She has the best combination of mind and heart of anyone I've ever known" (paraphrased). And it shows, every time she answers questions on the spot. You can tell that she has given a lot of thought to all the serious issues of the day and of her life.

We are so fortunate to have her as a candidate for the presidency. She has so much to offer. I hope that the entire country wakes up to the plain, simple fact that we need her brains, compassion, and experience in the White House. Thanks to the media, people don't know what they don't know - so we have to keep giving it to them, in every way we can - LTE, calls, blogs, signs, writing to delegates and others, donations to the campaign, etc..

All the way with Hillary!

[Laura Cereta]

I have to disagree, this is the second time I heard someone say this in this thread -- these types of forums do show how deep and knowledgeable she is. Hillary excels in speaking without notes, speech writers, and teleprompters.

I missed the majority of this, dang it, will have to catch it on rerun.

They're playing the re-run now...well, actually the part with Hillary should be over by now... :(

Anyway, I just wanted to say how much I agree with your sentiment; she DOES excel when answering questions on the spot. This is where she shines and he stammers.

[Justmy.02]

I can't watch any debate because my spouse wants nothing to do with politics (if I didn't have this forum, I'd go quietly bonkers) so I'm glad to read the comments and reviews.

Every time I do get to catch Hillary speaking, I find her composed, articulate and thoughtful. She answers off-the-cuff in a calm and confident manner.

BO, on the other hand, stumbles and stutters and says uh or you know about a thousand times. I, too, can't stand the sight of him so I don't often listen unless he happens to come on a news program and even then I can't stand more than a sentence or two...

If Hillary is not elected, America will have given up a chance to have a compassionate, articulate and smart woman as their leader rather than a bumbling, elitist loser who has to copy her answers. What will he do without her?

She MUST be elected.

[samkm]

.... she DOES excel when answering questions on the spot. This is where she shines and he stammers.

She shines because (a) she owns her words.. they are truly her strongest beliefs (b) they are not rehearsed. She doesnt need to rehearse them nor write them as speeches for her to speak.

He stammers whenever he does not have a prewritten script that he has poured over to speak by-heart. Prepared elocution is more his style. Then, if it is long speech, he needs teleprompters. Because he cannot retain his own words very well... or perhaps they were not his own words..

[Charlie Brown]

I watched Hillary, she started putting the spouse to sleep because "She's just so calm" :) We both watched about 5-10 minutes of Obama and convened to the other room so we could be online and listen to him....about 7 more minutes and the spouse went in and turned the channel, he couldn't take it anymore.

OMG so did my spouse...Human behavior..LOL!

[VotingHillary]

Murray, smart move on not watching CNN.

Okay, at the end of Hillary's faith conversation, Brown told her to stay on stage as they brought in her opponent. So she had to stand there to his standing ovation and cheers in his Messiah walk down the runway. After he got up on stage, a shake of hands and they go to commercial, so we don't have a chance to see her leave the arena.

At the end of Messiah's faith conversation, they allow him to stay with the crowd, keeping the camera split-screen, the larger portion on him as he clasps people's hands while the pundits drool on and on over on the other screen.

Fair play I guess --- NOT!


That is what really irked me to no end. Why did they bring him up before Hillary got to acknowledge her applause? Common sense says if you aren't going to have both candidates on the stage at the same time, you finish with one, take a commercial break, THEN introdue the other. This was such a blatant attempt to downplay her own terrific performance tonight. I didn't watch his part. Did they bring Hillary back after his segment?

[ActionJackson]

The difference between their two responses could not have been more different. She simply radiated serenity, calmness and acceptance of what we are given but may rise, through grace to do whatever we can to be there for one another.

He was all about explaining the expediency and political aspects of church, beliefs and the law.
How his religion informs his decisions almost like it is a list of rules and a platform to reach people.

She is a deeply spiritual person. And what I took from this is that she has an inner serenity and guide so that no matter what happens, she will do what comes next, whatever is placed in front of her, as a calling to a purpose to be there for others. She even said that God's grace had less to do with oneself and more to do with one's relationship to others.

She is a beautiful person. I feel like I know her so much better now.

I felt PEACE when she spoke. I love her.


Wow. You worded that beautifully-- I had missed Hillary.

But, was thinking... I know she is rooted in her faith. So... doesn't matter what the pundits say. The folks who vote for Oblama are, demographically, either non-church-goers, or rare-church goers; Hillary's folks poll as church goers.

What she did tonight, folks--no matter what the pundits tell anyone to think-- Hillary represented her faith well. And folks can see that. And it will resonate with them. They can relate. Even folks who don't go often to church but were raised in church as kids, will relate more to Hillary than to Braksa account of Islam and Trinity. Those just aren't mainstream.

So... he can say what he wants about little-town America. He doesn't have to "get" them; they have to "get" him.

He was given a chance to connect, and he talked about his platform.
On religion, he was different than Main Street America.

He may have exotic appeal to Wall Street,

But Hillary will appeal to Main Street.

[Dendy]

Did anybody else notice that CNN was showing Obama for 10 minutes after, shaking hands with people and signing autographs?
No sigh from Hillary anywhere interacting with the audience. Almost like she doesn’t exist.
All the attention as usual is dedicated to the golden boy. The easy ride questions, the constant applauding, and the praising. It’s sickening.
I stopped watching CNN a while ago and it seems that things have gotten even worst now. The unfairness of it all it’s just painful.
I don’t think I can ever watch TV the same way as I did before.
It's actually liberating not to have the influences of all the so-called journalist and media in my life. I can only count on my heart and my mind and my own knowledge.
Hillary spoke from the heart. Her sincerity, intelligence, beauty and dept are remarkable.
I love her more and more every day and I hope the American people are smart enough to realize that there is only one true and deserving person to be our 44th president.
It shameful how an honest conversation about faith and compassion got turned into a compassion forum for Barak Obama.

[suerw]

I don't want this to sound cult like,

but with all the hell and stress she goes through, they all go through in this process, she is so deep, thoughtful, intelligent and warm. She is what I want to show my daughter what a real true leader looks like. Her saying, i surround myself with people that often make me feel uncomfortable to help her make decisions is profound. If only Bush had had that.

Nothing cult like at all about what you've said. She is thoughtful and intellegent and throughout this campaign has shown her depth and warmth. Very smart explaining that when making decisions she includes people who challenge her and even make her feel uncomfortable. Intelligent leaders do this. Others (yes, Bush for example) just want yes-people around them. .... Way to go Hillary!!

[mjoynaples]

Murray, smart move on not watching CNN.

Okay, at the end of Hillary's faith conversation, Brown told her to stay on stage as they brought in her opponent. So she had to stand there to his standing ovation and cheers in his Messiah walk down the runway. After he got up on stage, a shake of hands and they go to commercial, so we don't have a chance to see her leave the arena.

At the end of Messiah's faith conversation, they allow him to stay with the crowd, keeping the camera split-screen, the larger portion on him as he clasps people's hands while the pundits drool on and on over on the other screen.

Fair play I guess --- NOT!

It was so horrible. It was so unfair-what is up with CB that she is such a sexist and so biased and so rude and obviously so -she is just a spoiler---BO was horrific-sputtering and spewing more of his lies... making up a new version of what he really meant about bitter folks-we need to email that video from the lady on c-span and email it to CNN and all the rest of the koolaide drinker of the media.

he is like the bully at school that gets away with it and you know he did it... praying that grace Hillary was talking about will stand firm between us and him and move her forward all the way to the White House.:mad:

[Suzan]

Absolutely, HIllary went first. She was sterling. I only caught the last part of her Q&A period, but it was wonderful. She never fails to amaze me.

Obama's on now, and the weird thing is this--I was going to turn it off because I'm also at the point where I can't stand to hear a word that comes out of his mouth, but I left it on out of curiosity, but somehow I must have a mental block or a hearing problem. He's talking but I can't hear a word he's saying. I know he's talking. I can actually hear his voice, but none of it is registering, so I'm not going to be any help in reporting on this. Maybe someone else can actually tune in.

He was asked the "bittergate" question right up front. I was trying to follow the answer and that's probably when my brain went into spin cycle. He has that affect on me. He was also asked about Wright, but I was too far gone by then. I don't know what he said. I believe he again tried to say that Wright wasn't really a spiritual mentor.

Oh, and I believe he said his bittergate words were misconstued. Excuse me while I puke.

[Sandy in PA]

Did anyone notice that Campbell was showing a lot of leg? I wonder why. I think she wants to be the next Obama Girl.

[ZY123]

I don't watch CNN (I did tonight - big mistake) so I missed the promo on this. What was the point of this "compassion" forum? Were they purposely connecting religion with politics? (I hope the answer to this is no!)

[Charlie Brown]

Absolutely, HIllary went first. She was sterling. I only caught the last part of her Q&A period, but it was wonderful. She never fails to amaze me.

Obama's on now, and the weird thing is this--I was going to turn it off because I'm also at the point where I can't stand to hear a word that comes out of his mouth, but I left it on out of curiosity, but somehow I must have a mental block or a hearing problem. He's talking but I can't hear a word he's saying. I know he's talking. I can actually hear his voice, but none of it is registering, so I'm not going to be any help in reporting on this. Maybe someone else can actually tune in.

He was asked the "bittergate" question right up front. I was trying to follow the answer and that's probably when my brain went into spin cycle. He has that affect on me. He was also asked about Wright, but I was too far gone by then. I don't know what he said. I believe he again tried to say that Wright wasn't really a spiritual mentor.

Oh, and I believe he said his bittergate words were misconstued. Excuse me while I puke.

YAY, THAT IS HOW IT IS TOO....HE SPEAKS BUT IM LIKE WHAT THE HECK DID HE SAY...THEN I TURN IT OFF BECAUSE HE BORES ME TO DEATH...I DONT SEE THIS SUPER STAR CRAP...NEVER HAVE.

[Charlie Brown]

Did anyone notice that Campbell was showing a lot of leg? I wonder why. I think she wants to be the next Obama Girl.

OH GOD THAT WAS GOOD....CAMPBELL IS OBAMA GIRL....lmao...HAHAHAHA.....




STILL...lol!!!!!!!

[Sandy in PA]

It was so catty, but I couldn't resist. :D

[MS BLUEGRASS]

As always, Senator Clinton was articulate and COMPASSIONATE! She is excellent at speaking "off the cuff" and with such energy and intelligence!

I did not feel Senator Obama did a very good job explaining away his "elitist comments." I also felt he got a bit tripped up on the comment he had made about one of his daughters getting pregnant and it being a "mistake". He tried to turn it around and say that his daughters were six and nine, which of course got a laugh from the audience.

He is just not a very good speaker when it comes to a "conversational style" He does far too much hesitating, pausing and thinking about his next words...he reminds me too much of the way my husband speaks...I just want to grab him by the shoulders and shake him and say...."spit it out will you!":eek::eek:

[Sandy in PA]

Ms Bluegrass - He's what we call a pompous ass here in PA.

[MS BLUEGRASS]

HAHAHAHAHAHA....I WAS TRYING TO EMULATE OUR ARTICULATE SENATOR CLINTON AND TAKE THE HIGH ROAD, BUT FRANKLY I LIKE YOUR DESCRIPTION MUCH BETTER! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[MS BLUEGRASS]

He just made an out right lie about Wright saying that he was never his spiritual mentor, contray to what he wrote in his own book, and said to the media. He never went to a catholic school in Indonesia he went to Mosque and an islamic school, another bald face lie, how come they are allowing him to Lie to their faces?

PNEVAI--When I first heard the way he stated this, it struck me as incorrect also. If anyone has the script of this telecast, I wish you would check it, because I think the way Obama said it was incorrect..it did not jive with the corrections he had made previously...about Wright being his spiritual advisor, mentor etc.

Also, to answer a question I had seen before, I think I heard CNN say a couple of times earlier that Senator Clinton had "won the toss" and agreed to go first....at least they made it sound like she had a choice....rather than the usual ...of them just starting out debates with giving her the first question!

[JMS825]

I think the standing O was for Hillary cause they were standing before they announced Obama. I do agree they let him enter like a rock star which was BS. When he made it to the stage he looked like he was trying to advoid Hillary and she was shacking his hand to be the better person. The things that P.O'ed me was that they asked Hillary 2 gotcha questions "If god is so loving why does he let people suffer" which she replied gracefully "I dont know but I look forward to asking him" and "Does god want you to be president" which again she answered wittingly "I could just say we shall see" The other thing that got me mad was after Obama was done they kept the camera on him on a split screen to show him shaking hands and signing autographs.

[user312]

During response on global warming he injects "By the way I think Gore won."

I cant be the only one that caught this. There was a short noticeable pause of silence in the whole room after he said this. Like everyone was thinking What?, then he continued with his response.

As we know Gore lost in 2000 because of what happened in Florida. We know then as we do now of the dis-enfranchisement of Florida voters. So if Obama believes Gore in fact "won", then he must be acknowledging that in 2000 all the votes that were valid should have counted. This would then be contrary to his current stance of trying to block Florida results.

It would seem that this flip-flop would be something the Hillary campaign would want to call him, or least have him clarify.

Or am I making to much of this?

[JMS825]

I cant be the only one that caught this. There was a short noticeable pause of silence in the whole room after he said this. Like everyone was thinking What?, then he continued with his response.

As we know Gore lost in 2000 because of what happened in Florida. We know then as we do now of the dis-enfranchisement of Florida voters. So if Obama believes Gore in fact "won", then he must be acknowledging that in 2000 all the votes that were valid should have counted. This would then be contrary to his current stance of trying to block Florida results.

It would seem that this flip-flop would be something the Hillary campaign would want to call him, or least have him clarify.

Or am I making to much of this?

I was thinking the same thing actually if I could question him I would have said if Gore won why was he not the president then wait for Obama to give a Duh moment after mentioning the the voting prob in FL

[Morgan]

actually... he did go to a catholic school... but, you are right... all the rest was a lie.

About his schooling. Click link on left for lots of additional information.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm

[leahchamblee]

Why is Hilary on trial for his stupidity?
He has a lot of nerve, what an ass, but then again he is stepping in there knowing how many children he helped murder in Kenya, so he has a power buzz going and feels like god.

It's disgusting


He is trying to spin what he said was that during tough times poeple turn to religon and that is a good thing. Bull, suppose that they tur to guns for the same reason. Where is the Rev Wright question????????

[MS BLUEGRASS]

I cant be the only one that caught this. There was a short noticeable pause of silence in the whole room after he said this. Like everyone was thinking What?, then he continued with his response.

As we know Gore lost in 2000 because of what happened in Florida. We know then as we do now of the dis-enfranchisement of Florida voters. So if Obama believes Gore in fact "won", then he must be acknowledging that in 2000 all the votes that were valid should have counted. This would then be contrary to his current stance of trying to block Florida results.

It would seem that this flip-flop would be something the Hillary campaign would want to call him, or least have him clarify.

Or am I making to much of this?

Yes, This was an interesting comment and I too was surprised he made it and at the audience reaction.

[cowymom]

ok, i don't know if i'm being schizophrenic or it's too much hillary kool aid am drinking but i think this debate was set up for obama's profit. the moment he entered many people wanted to shake his hand, i can't recall seeing that with hillary. each time he made a statement some few/many people always clapped as if they where paid to do so. am i taking this too far?

[JMS825]

ok, i don't know if i'm being schizophrenic or it's too much hillary kool aid am drinking but i think this debate was set up for obama's profit. the moment he entered many people wanted to shake his hand, i can't recall seeing that with hillary. each time he made a statement some few/many people always clapped as if they where paid to do so. am i taking this too far?

my parents asked me the same thing. It was as if they had an applause sign that lit up for Obama. Even when he didnt say anything special they would clap. It was as if they were sleeping and would wake up on the applause cue

[JMS825]

Anyone watch the coverage after the forum they were saying Obama was better than Hillary and said Hillary didnt look comfortable. Ignoring the fact Hillary answered 3 more questions (if I am not mistaking) and 2 of them were loaded questions. Obama studdered his way through the forum like he tends to do when he has to think on his toes without a teleprompter. Also Obama had straight forward questions that he glanced over or vaguely answered.

[cowymom]

ok, thank God am not the only one who noticed it coz i was beginning to think i was being too sensitive or going crazy. Also i noticed most of the religious questions where asked by evangelicals or so. they had jewish people or rabbi's in there, why didn't they ask obama any question but they did for hillary. was CNN scared the jews where going to ask hard question's concerning rev. wright?

[Horizon]

I particularly liked her answer to the" why does god let people suffer" question. I think she was right on when she said she'd like to ask him that too and continued on to say that it should be a call to action for the rest of us. Of course when Mr. Wonderful shows up,he gets the easiest questions imaginable! But I expected that. And who the hell does Campbell Soup, I mean Brown, think she is anyway? She was immediately very confrontational.What a witch.

[user312]

Anyone watch the coverage after the forum they were saying Obama was better than Hillary and said Hillary didnt look comfortable. Ignoring the fact Hillary answered 3 more questions (if I am not mistaking) and 2 of them were loaded questions. Obama studdered his way through the forum like he tends to do when he has to think on his toes without a teleprompter. Also Obama had straight forward questions that he glanced over or vaguely answered.

I agree - and they never asked the torture question for Hillary to answer. That really ticked me off. She deserved an opportunity to give her answer as President to that question?

[JMS825]

Hillary's biggest dilema is that she dont have Bill's rock star image and Obama seems to be the 2nd coming of Bill but what people forget is it may take a village to raise a child but it takes Hillary to deflate a Bill lol

[MS BLUEGRASS]

I particularly liked her answer to the" why does god let people suffer" question. I think she was right on when she said she'd like to ask him that too and continued on to say that it should be a call to action for the rest of us. Of course when Mr. Wonderful shows up,he gets the easiest questions imaginable! But I expected that. And who the hell does Campbell Soup, I mean Brown, think she is anyway? She was immediately very confrontational.What a witch.

Mary, I agree with you! I now have a dislike for Campbell Brown. Formerly, I did not really have an opinion on her, but now she is on my super BI*ch list along with Andrea Mitchell, Amy Holmes, and you know, Candi Crowley is getting on my nerves a bit of late as well!:eek::rolleyes::eek::rolleyes:

[cowymom]

you're right. i wish she has that charisma and could be much funny and telling jokes in her campaign trail.

[JMS825]

you're right. i wish she has that charisma and could be much funny and telling jokes in her campaign trail.

Hillary to me is like a grandma. You love her no matter what, you dont expect her humor but even dry humor is funny, she make tick people off at times but knows from experience, and she is HUMAN not a made up figure to sell an idea

My fondest memories of my Grandma was that she worked hard but she had great stories, I remember going to the local bar with her after she got off work and just listening to her talk and show me off lol My grandma had a love for motorcycles and she was a great woman who passed away far too early. Perhaps that is why I love Hillary cause in good times and bad I feel Hillary is looking out for us and we should do the same for her.

[MS BLUEGRASS]

you're right. i wish she has that charisma and could be much funny and telling jokes in her campaign trail.

DON'T YOU THINK WHEN SHE WINS PA, IN, KY AND NC, WE WILL SEE THAT LIGHT-HEARTEDNESS AGAIN. HELL, IT SEEMED TO ME, SHE WAS CRITICIZED AT EVERY TURN...NO MATTER WHAT SHE SAID OR DID THE NEWS HOUNDS WERE CRITICAL. I LOVE HER LAUGH...IT IS SO DEEP AND GENUINE.....THEY EVEN CRITICIZED THAT! SHE WAS A LOT MORE CAREFREE BEFORE BACK IN THE FALL. NOW SHE HAS TO MIND EVERY LITTLE THING SHE DOES AND SAYS!

[Musicdude]

I felt Hillary did well. :)

I didnt watch much of Obama because i can't stand to listen to him. He;s so full of crap. Its like listening to a used car salesman go on and on and on..

I swear if he were president, I would be bitter, and cling to my keyboard and munchies, rallying for impeachment of Mr. Okey Dokie.

[MS BLUEGRASS]

I felt Hillary did well. :)

I didnt watch much of Obama because i can't stand to listen to him. He;s so full of crap. Its like listening to a used car salesman go on and on and on..

I swear if he were president, I would be bitter, and cling to my keyboard and munchies, rallying for impeachment of Mr. Okey Dokie.

MUSICDUDE, I THOUGHT SENATOR CLINTON DID VERY WELL. I POSTED THIS SOMEWHERE, CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS ON THIS THREAD. OBAMA DRIVES MT F*CKING NUTS WITH HIS PAUSES AND LONG...... UHHS....SILENCE...SEARCHING FOR THE NEXT WORD. I JUST WANT TO FINISH HIS SENTENCES FOR HIM!:eek::eek:

[xfiles]

Right off the bat they gave Obama a chance to explain himself and what he meant by his bitter comments.

And someone said (I only watched about 10 mins. of him until Desperate Housewives came on) he got a standing ovation when he left.

Hillary didn't get to leave on her own. They made her stay to "greet" Obama and she got to slide off the stage while he was being welcomed.

So much for fairness.

[PuppyDogMom]

...but I sense a new SNL skit coming on...

I'd like to write it.

[abbywilson9]

Have the Saudis bought stock in CNN? I don’t know. However, it appears to me that they own CNN.

Abby

[hipelayne]

Actually, the putzes made her stay on stage for his grand entrance -- which was a standing ovation as he strode in Messiahlike.

Pricks.

Hillary probably was asked to stay on the stage so that there would be what sounded like applause for Oblama when it was really applause for Hillary! If she had left the stage, the applause wouldn't have been so much for him! Not only does he steal her answers he steals her applause!

[samkm]

I've been on the stage in many competitions. It is considered good manners to let the audience clap for the person on stage before making your entrance.

In fact, if by mistake you come sooner, it is a bit of an embarrassment, and cuts into your confidence.. at least it did to me.

I always respected the person on the stage and the audience.. it was the time they are communicating with each other.

[mjoynaples]

not sure what those "anal..yists" were discussing it was not the show I watched ... the one I saw was Hillary participating sincerely into a discussion in this forum on compassion, faith and politics and to consider these difficult topics and things that seem to especially matter to some of "typical, bitter, white folks".... and others as well...

BO just used it to tout his new stump speech and clear up all his messes -I guess they decided they could not give him another special talk time for the "bittergate"... actually we need to call it what it is the race card play he was trying to pull (oh, those folks in PA don't like me much becasue I am so different than them. we don't look the same... yayayaya) and lie about his spiritual mentor Pastor Wright -oh no he is not my spiritual mentor... and then lie about what he was saying to the donors in SF... on and on... and I guess that is what the anal-yst chose to focus on how well he rides the slippery slope of politics and the difference he brings is that no one can catch him...

RISE HILLARY RISE!!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

don't You Think When She Wins Pa, In, Ky And Nc, We Will See That Light-heartedness Again. Hell, It Seemed To Me, She Was Criticized At Every Turn...no Matter What She Said Or Did The News Hounds Were Critical. I Love Her Laugh...it Is So Deep And Genuine.....they Even Criticized That! She Was A Lot More Carefree Before Back In The Fall. Now She Has To Mind Every Little Thing She Does And Says!

Dont You Think She Is As Floored As We Are On How This Is All Spinning...i Mean We Have Seen Bush Steal The Election From Gore In 04 As If That Wasnt Enouph And Now This Mess...what Should We Expect Next Campaign Lining Up In Front Of A Firing Squad. This Is The Worst Part Of This Whole Mess The Media And The Elite Controlling Our Lives. Im So Tired Of This But Yet I Cant Disconnect, Waiting For The Messia Media To Throw Me A Crumb..i Am Seriously Thinking Of Disconnecting My Whole Cable Tv. Why Give Them My Money.

[msga7]

Where were the anointed Kingdom Christians in that forum. Hillary and Barack r both in error in their faith. And why were they not picked up for the errors, being not hearing from Lord Jesus Christ, that is a sign of eternal life operating in a person's life, communication with God and yes He does answer back when people listen to Him. And He still tells people His plans etc....

And I am concerned about Barack's lack of understanding in not accepting that USA needs to remain a Christian nation, USA will be in trouble if it doesn't. Also concerned for a lot of christians also in that forum, who were agreeing with the errors, along with the yelling and cheering, they all need praying for.

And there needs to be things operating in Hillary's life, one is connection to Lord Jesus Christ's Kingdom understanding and wisdom, but also His will and faith, for He does share His mind with His people. The trouble Hillary is going to come up against also in the Christian community, is the good ol boys clubs that simply don't believe women should lead. And truth is if all the christians could hear from Lord Jesus Christ they would all turn around and vote for Hillary, she is the one that is meant to be the president, but she needs to hear from God and listen for His voice, and His take on things.

msga

[samkm]

There is only ONE major thing we can do (unless you are writing big articles to small-town PA newspapers geared to farmers).

MAKE PHONECALLS TO PA!!

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