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Soaring Eagle
04-13-2008, 10:12 PM
Happy to report that i don't know any Kool Aid drinkers!:)

Charlie Brown
04-13-2008, 10:14 PM
NONE! All Hillary except my DAD and he'll vote McCain Im sure...everyone else its Hillary

Hoosier
04-13-2008, 10:14 PM
Sorry I can't relate. I haven't come across anyone who likes Obama. I know they are out there but not so you could tell. I think this is great considering we will be voting here in Indiana on May 6th.

Jayling
04-13-2008, 10:23 PM
None. Nada.

But then, we're just a bunch of Archie Bunker Typical White People Racists up here in Ohio -- or so we've been dubbed by the Obama supporters and Obama himself since we didn't vote for him.

samkm
04-13-2008, 10:23 PM
Pilotman,

Please ask them to look up these:
www.thehillaryiknow.com
www.hillaryclinton.com/issues
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23925313#23925313

Then talk with you with what are their remaining concerns.


BO has this "far left" tag but when you start examining his positions, he is not exactly progressive in his views. He is getting a lot of "give him the benefit of the doubt" - we dont have to. In fact, we owe it to ourselves, to this country and INFORMED DEMOCRACY to NOT GIVE BENEFIT OF DOUBT when someone has not been very forthcoming about their own background; it is uncontested that he has not been forthcoming about his background in this election. That is just the starting point.

Do share with us what the remaining concerns are. We can address them.

hillary4change
04-13-2008, 10:23 PM
I come from the Bible belt. Texas, so most of my friends are repubs.
My other friends in other states are Both Hillary and Obama.
My Mom vacilates between Hillary & Obama. My brother Hillary, my younger brother McCain. My husband and 3 of my 4 daughters Hillary. 1 daughter wont say, so I think it may be Obama. My 1 son Hillary.
I dont have to deal with hard core bo people.

SD
04-13-2008, 10:24 PM
sadly, not anymore. they cut me loose when i stood my ground for hillary. my response to them "vote your conscious (sp) and lets respect each others beliefs", were not good enough for them.

Soaring Eagle
04-13-2008, 10:25 PM
sadly, not anymore. they cut me loose when i stood my ground for hillary. my response to them "vote your conscious (sp) and lets respect each others beliefs", were not good enough for them.


Sounds like Obama following to me! They don't get their way and they go cry like babies!

JJ4Hillary
04-13-2008, 10:26 PM
10 of my friends are for obama.:mad:Just 2 of my friends are hillary supporters.:):) I stop picking my friends(who support obama) calls.:o

The annoyed the hack out of me.http://www.smileyhut.com/angry/annoyed.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com) Always talking about how abama is this and that, egh!

Yesterday, i told one my friend(obama supporter) that look, if you calling to talk about obama problems, please go away.:(

WV4Hillary
04-13-2008, 10:26 PM
In West Virginia. I know about...20 Hillary supporters and 1 Obama supporter. She's not a STRONG supporter though..she only says "He inspires me.." and that's the extent of our discussion.

PA_Voter
04-13-2008, 10:26 PM
I'm here in PA with the upcoming primary and of my close friends 3 are for Hillary and 1 is Undecided (but leaning towards Obama). Regarding other friends that I golf and bowl with about 30%-40% are Republicans (although I did get 1 to switch over so she could vote for Hillary in the primary); but of the democrats among us, I know that 2 are for Hillary but the other 8 simply don't want to discuss the candidates.... So I can only assume most of the remaining 8 are for Obama.... It's really weird this time that people don't really want to talk about who they're supporting or why they are supporting their candidate (other than myself who's been out canvassing the last 2 weekends for Hillary--and I have yard signs, wear my hat, etc.). I'm proud to be supporting Hillary and I don't care who knows it!

Cooney
04-13-2008, 10:32 PM
I hate to brag, but I have converted them all, or they will just not talk to me anymore. My family however is converted. My oldest son, who I suspected voted for BO, finally convided to me he did vote for Hillary. He would not tell me for a long time. My husband who was a Republican, changed to uncommitted, and he voted for Hillary. I mean it, we have a sphere of influence that is amazing. I have never said a bad word about OB, they simply see how committed I am to Hillary, and it sways them.

leahchamblee
04-13-2008, 10:34 PM
I do
more than Hillary supporters, and all of my female friends are Obamanites.

Yes it sucks

they are awful, if I hear one more time it is all a Hoax AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


I have about 10 close friends who are/were my democratic buddies. We used to love hammering the GOP and making fun of Bush and making fun of the right wing.

Now 7 of them are Obama supporters. And 4 of us are Hillary supporters. It is so weird talking to them because they 100% don't get why I hate Obama I 100% don't get why they don't like Hillary.

It is like it used tobe when I would run into a Bush fan and had no idea how they could like that guy.

And the 7 Obama supporters are people I respect and they are smart and they are not idiot. Itis so frustrating.

Anyone have a friend or friends who like obama?

It is amazing how two people can see things so differently.

Brooke
04-13-2008, 10:36 PM
Happy to say none of my friends are BO supporters. Most don't care, but of the ones who do, they all voted for and support Hillary (including some of my African American friends from DC). My one best friend who is coming from Boston this weekend to help with the campaign is a McCain supporter but he hates Obama so much he wants to help campaign for Hillary with me. I do have a friend in Nebraska who hates Hillary with a passion and likes Obama but she's a Republican so she'll be voting for McCain anyway.

I convinced one friend to switch registration to vote for Hillary here in PA.:)

And everyone in my family in NJ voted for Hillary as well, including my father and brother. My dad plans on voting for McCain in the fall though I think. My 13 and a half year old black lab, Soybean, didn't vote but I joke that she'd vote for Obama anyway since she's black..lol.

Christines
04-13-2008, 10:39 PM
I have two but not close friends. The two are Liberal and educated. One thinks that she is demonstrating on how Liberal she is!

eyedoc333
04-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Most of my in-person friends and family are for Hillary. Many of my cyberfriends that I've gotten to know over the past few years on other liberal blogs are Obama supporters. It's really strange because we used to be unified in our disdain for Bush and his policies. Now, we grapple over Bosnia sniper fire and clingy bitterness.

Interestingly, I find myself here in this forum to be a voice of moderation in my lack of animosity toward Obama, sometimes coming to his defense. In contrast, whenever I state something positive about Hillary on other forums, it is taken as something negative about Obama and I'm mocked or attacked. So, I wear two hats-- both as a "defender" and "attacker" of Obama, depending on your perspective. But the bottom line is that I am committed to helping Hillary win this nomination!

Oregonian4Hill
04-13-2008, 10:42 PM
None of my friends, but at least 3 of my boyfriend's co-workers are Obamabots. In his office, unlike mine, people talk about politics A LOT. So, of course it frustrates him, being an ardent Hill supporter. I don't know if I could handle working there, to tell you the truth. Two of his co-workers hosted a fundraiser for Senatorial candidate Steve Novick last week. Now, I don't know anything about this man, but I told my boyfriend that just knowing that the 2 Obamabot co-workers were hosting the fundraiser made me more inclined to vote for his opponent, Jeff Merckley! (Of course, I won't base my vote solely on that, I'll research both candidates on my own before the election. We Hill supporters have this strange quirk of actually researching candidates, finding out about them and their positions on the issues before deciding who to vote for!)

BloodDAnna
04-13-2008, 10:46 PM
Oh I'm lucky enough to have an Obama follower at work...I spent 6 of my 8 hours one day with her coming at me like a standard issue Obama follower. She and her boyfriend feel very empowered with their progressiveness in supporting him but again neither can give points on why he is the better choice but both are convinced that Hillary is the devil. They watched the nice propaganda film Sicko by Michael Moore and seem to think if I watch it I'll change my opinion of the Clintons....not very likely.

SadStateOfAffairs
04-13-2008, 10:48 PM
My Dad and his wife were both hard core Republicans. Happy to report a dual converstion to Hillary. I'm working on several friends and we have a thread here at hillaryclintonforum.net for Obam-a-holics if you have someone in need of an intervention.

RachachaSharon
04-13-2008, 10:52 PM
I keep reading that he inspires people - to do what? I never hear that part.

Area504
04-13-2008, 10:54 PM
I have one good friend who I know is supporting Obama because I saw a bumper sticker on his car. We usually talk sports more than politics, and I only recently learned of his political preference after my state's primary....so I'm going to live by lessons learned from my online experience, and just let it go until it's time for us to vote again!!

I "know" several people on the Internet who are supporting Obama...and, if it's possible to consider online acquaintances as friends, then the friendships have certainly deteriorated in the past 2-3 months.

CGP
04-13-2008, 10:55 PM
My partner is an Obama supporter. We no longer discuss politics. And we go to therapy! :p Go figure...

But we still love each other! So there is hope, yet, for healing!

SunnyInCal
04-13-2008, 10:58 PM
You got it right pilotman.

I can't fathom what they/Obama excusers are thinking.

This is why I think we really do need more than two parties. Then we could have Hillary on our ballots in November and they could have Obama.

SunnyInCal
04-13-2008, 10:59 PM
My partner is an Obama supporter. We no longer discuss politics. And we go to therapy! :p Go figure...

But we still love each other! So there is hope, yet, for healing!

Healing personally, but does healing mean voting for Barack in November IF he gets the nomination?

Charlie Brown
04-13-2008, 11:00 PM
My partner is an Obama supporter. We no longer discuss politics. And we go to therapy! :p Go figure...

But we still love each other! So there is hope, yet, for healing!

I was wondering how you 2 were doing...I cant imagine being you and having your partner not on your side..You have such passion for Hillary and you have done so much...Im sad you dont have your partners support. But I do know how it feels My DH was for Bush (Oh Gosh thats harsh to type) and I was for Gore it was hard to take...But Obama is almost worse...I really cant take him at all....anyway I have thought of you 2 often and hope your partner comes to his sences. ♥

Artists4Hillary
04-13-2008, 11:00 PM
All my family ( except my father, who is a die-hard Rep) is for Hillary. My best friend is a Hillary supporter, but she knows people who want Obama. We try hard to hammer into them why Obama is not a good choice. I don't know how my husband and I would make it if he was for Obama. Jk.

There is no rest for the weary.

SunnyInCal
04-13-2008, 11:06 PM
Happy to say none of my friends are BO supporters. Most don't care, but of the ones who do, they all voted for and support Hillary (including some of my African American friends from DC). My one best friend who is coming from Boston this weekend to help with the campaign is a McCain supporter but he hates Obama so much he wants to help campaign for Hillary with me. I do have a friend in Nebraska who hates Hillary with a passion and likes Obama but she's a Republican so she'll be voting for McCain anyway.

I convinced one friend to switch registration to vote for Hillary here in PA.:)

And everyone in my family in NJ voted for Hillary as well, including my father and brother. My dad plans on voting for McCain in the fall though I think. My 13 and a half year old black lab, Soybean, didn't vote but I joke that she'd vote for Obama anyway since she's black..lol.

Your post makes two points:

1)people who support Obama in the primary will NOT be there for him in the general election if they are in a red state

2)people who are anti-hillary only because of things they hear can be swayed when they learn the truth about her and her political past. She is NOT the devil and she is NOT divisive. If divisive means standing up for yourself at every turn and wanting to leave the world a better place than you found it.. then damn it.. I'm Divisive too!!

momoffiveforhillary
04-13-2008, 11:16 PM
Sadly, I have three very "issue ignorant" Obama supporters in my immediate family. My sister, the one I am most dissapointed with, told me she is voting for him because she thinks he's cute and because she has a bi-racial daughter, and that by voting for him she is showing she is supportive of her daughter's AA race. What? You'd think loving and caring for her bi-racial daughter (my extraordinary niece) would show without a doubt that she "supports" the AA race. I've asked her repeatedly to have a decent conversation about the important issues but she refuses. My mother-in-law confided in me the day of our primary that she voted for Obama because, even though she didn't know anything about him, Oprah endorsed him and her son (my brother-in-law) told her to do so. Which leads me to my brother-in-law, who has an IQ of about 170, but the wisdom and social skills of a 2 year old. I'm not kidding, the man is an attorney, but is disliked by almost everyone I know because he tends to have diarrhea of the mouth. He voted for him because one of his lawyer buddies supposedly taught a class with Obama and said he was a nice person. Yep. I'm serious- not one of these people can tell me one reason as to why they support Obama other than the foolhardy reasons I mentioned above. And trying to talk to each one reminds me of trying to explain to my two year son why he can't flush his toys down the toilet. It is an absolutely futile conversation. Frustrating beyond belief!

CGP
04-13-2008, 11:17 PM
Healing personally, but does healing mean voting for Barack in November IF he gets the nomination?

No, the reverse!! My partner voting for Hillary when she wins the nomination. He has said he would.

Smart cookie
04-13-2008, 11:19 PM
None, however I do have a couple of Republican friends:eek: that were leaning toward Obama for all of 5 minutes. They really listened to him and decided he was a scary alternative. He scares me more than McCain so I will simply write Hillary in IF IF IF she doesn't get the nom. Pretty sure she will though.

JeffTN
04-13-2008, 11:20 PM
I have 2 friends who are voting for Obama. They are sisters (and their 2 other sisters are for Hillary!)

I just won't discuss politics with them anymore. It upsets me too much.

NewHamster
04-13-2008, 11:23 PM
OMG I work in Vermont, Obama Central. Though I'm happy to say that most of the nurses I directly work with are for Hillary. But reading the local newspaper is nauseating. 2 weeks before the VT primary the paper wrote an editorial saying in bold faced lie that Hillary broken the rules and had campaigned in FL. I wrote a letter to the editor saying shame on them, lying about a candidate like that in a state that hadn't voted yet. They did print my letter, but last week the same paper REPEATED that same lie in another editorial!!! UGH!!

I also have a work buddy that I used to talk politics with, and now we can't. He's for Obama and thinks it's ok to not count FL and MI. THis same guy was SO OUTRAGED that the supreme court stopped the counting in 2000. Also my best friend from college is for Obama - the last person I would have expected (Jewish New Yorker, grew up in FL, white, middle aged). But her brother is for Obama and she worships her brother....

It's very hard, I've seen sides of friends I haven't liked..

SoCal4Hillary
04-13-2008, 11:23 PM
It is so weird talking to them because they 100% don't get why I hate Obama I 100% don't get why they don't like Hillary.
...
And the 7 Obama supporters are people I respect and they are smart and they are not idiot. It is so frustrating.

Anyone have a friend or friends who like obama?It's worse for me--I have RELATIVES who support oBLAHma. :eek:
It is amazing how two people can see things so differently.Indeed it is. I've had a REALLY hard time dealing with the fact that people close to me--even my own flesh and blood (my daughter, who I've written about before)--have fallen under the cult leader's spell. It's SO WEIRD talking to them...they all say EXACTLY the same things as all other oBLAHma followers do: "He will UNITE the country! He'll bring about CHANGE! blah blah blah..." Um, hello? Where have these people been as one disgusting revelation about his character after another has come to light? :confused:

Justmy.02
04-13-2008, 11:31 PM
Unfortunately my twin sister is an Obamabot and nothing I can say will dissuade her. My children won't say, so I suspect they may be also. They all live in Cincinnati, OH area. I just hope they will take in all the 'stuff' going on and change their minds...:(

Average Jane
04-13-2008, 11:42 PM
I am so glad no one I know but my nephew, away at college is an Obama supporter. I have an online buddy that leans to him. She admits he doesn't even really inspire HER but that it inspires her to see others inspired...go figure...secondhand inspiration. :rolleyes: My mother called me crying one day because her dear friend of almost 25 years drank the Kool-Aid and for the first time ever, became mean and vicious to my mom when she couldn't talk her out of Hillary. I told my mother she needed to make it VERY clear to her the next time they spoke that they would NOT discuss politics EVER again if they were to remain friends. Then give her three chances, if she ever brought it up, cut her off before she even finishes her sentence and remind her you will not discuss politics, then change the subject, If after three times she still persists, she would have to cut her friend loose. It made me sad to hear her cry. :(

ActionJackson
04-13-2008, 11:55 PM
My son is for McCain. No debate.
Except I told him for the primary (WV May 13) he better vote for Hillary or I'll reconsider if he's my DNA or not.
(McCain is my second choice.)

Folks I know for Balaaaaaaaaaaach,

One guy in my class.
A recent college graduate at work.

Folks for Hillary:

Me
My Mom
My Sister
My Brother
My Nephew
My Bro-in-law
My Aunt
My Uncle
My Cousin
My Cousin
My Cousin
My Cousin
My Other Uncle
My Other Aunt
My Other Uncle
My Other Aunt
My Other Uncle
My Other Aunt
Their kids

Lady I work with
Her Brother
Her Other Brother
Her Daughter
My Friend
My Other Friend
My Friend's Mom
My Friend's Dad
My Other Friend
Her kid

And neighbors, store clerks, hairdressers, meat counter guy, etc....

Hillary Wins!!!!!!!!

Peppermint Patty
04-13-2008, 11:59 PM
My partner is an Obama supporter. We no longer discuss politics. And we go to therapy! :p Go figure...

But we still love each other! So there is hope, yet, for healing!

LOL, Murray! Well, that's true love for ya! If you can live with an Obama supporter and yet put this much effort in this website, well more power to you!

Most of my friends/family are Hillary supporters. Two friends turned to Obama so we don't discuss politics but fortunately our primary is long gone. And my brother went to the dark side (became a Republican) some time ago, so even tho he's not thrilled with McCain he'll vote the party line.

BTW, he's thrilled I'll cast my vote for McCain if he-who-shall-not-be-named is the nominee... :rolleyes:

Phoenix
04-14-2008, 12:09 AM
And my brother went to the dark side (became a Republican) some time ago, so even tho he's not thrilled with McCain he'll vote the party line.

BTW, he's thrilled I'll cast my vote for McCain if he-who-shall-not-be-named is the nominee... :rolleyes:

I've been making a deal with my republican friends. If they will vote for Hillary in the Primary, I promise to vote for McCain if she loses the Primary.

Suzan
04-14-2008, 01:17 AM
I'm a writer by profession and my writer friends are split about half and half. We have an online loop with a topic for discussing touchy issues like religion and politics. I noticed the Hillary supporters being outshouted by the Obama supporters (just like online, lol) and eventually I was the only one still in there, but it was exhausting and it getting as divisive as the red state/blue state rift so I left too.

Sad, because these were wonderful friends and we were all united against the Bush administration before this. We still have online discussions outside of that topic and as far as I can tell, things are okay. There don't seem to be hard feelings, despite how intense--and personal--it was. They simply didn't see Wright as a problem or any of the other rather sinister issues of Obama's past. Just like the media they're willing to give him a pass on everything. I wonder what he'd have to do for them to stop the excuses on his behalf? It's boggling. I feel as if I'm dealing with several very bright very articulate people who've been brainwashed.

They probably feel the same way about me. Although it's different with Obama followers. I noticed that even in that group Hillary supporters were able to see her flaws and deal with them in a realistic way. They weren't blinded by her aura. They didn't see her as the messiah, although they do believe she's the only one with the capacity to fix this mess we're in. The Obama people didn't seem to be capable of that kind of objectivity. And these aren't kids. They're mostly women in their forties and fifties. Go figure.

OkieforHRC2008
04-14-2008, 01:35 AM
My daughter's physical therapist is the only Obama supporter I know. I think she is basing her decision on his skin color. It's sad....


~~OkieforHRC2008

Carolyn
04-14-2008, 01:39 AM
My older brother, my husband, my younger son (who can't vote yet ;)), and several of my oldest and closest women friends are voting for Obama. Really drives me crazy. But my 18 year old son, who will be voting in his first election, hopes to be casting a vote for Hillary (bless him) and my curmudgeonly, chauvanistic, business CEO-type father thinks Hillary is "really on the ball," and voted ofr her in the primaries. Trust me, that is very high praise indeed.

HillWill
04-14-2008, 01:53 AM
All of my family in CA are hillary supporters. In MI, My best friend and most other friends are BO supporters. We don't talk about politics anymore - it's gotten too ugly, and our friendship is more relevant. I can't let politics get in the way of such important relationships - people who have been with me for a very long time through lifes ups and downs. I have come across "new" friends that I can talk freely with about this campaign, who are hillary supporters. And I love this forum for giving me a place to vent!

leahchamblee
04-14-2008, 02:55 AM
That is pretty awful. I've lived the experience in Michigan, and the Obama people here just ride with the flow, first they blame Hillary for NOT letting the revote happen, now they say poor Obama because Hillary is trying to get a revote. It's the weirdest and most bizarre thing. It's like because he is black he is god. I am just not that racist sorry. I lived through the Coleman years, and black ain't god. Actually where are the American Indian presidents?



OMG I work in Vermont, Obama Central. Though I'm happy to say that most of the nurses I directly work with are for Hillary. But reading the local newspaper is nauseating. 2 weeks before the VT primary the paper wrote an editorial saying in bold faced lie that Hillary broken the rules and had campaigned in FL. I wrote a letter to the editor saying shame on them, lying about a candidate like that in a state that hadn't voted yet. They did print my letter, but last week the same paper REPEATED that same lie in another editorial!!! UGH!!

I also have a work buddy that I used to talk politics with, and now we can't. He's for Obama and thinks it's ok to not count FL and MI. THis same guy was SO OUTRAGED that the supreme court stopped the counting in 2000. Also my best friend from college is for Obama - the last person I would have expected (Jewish New Yorker, grew up in FL, white, middle aged). But her brother is for Obama and she worships her brother....

It's very hard, I've seen sides of friends I haven't liked..

ZY123
04-14-2008, 02:58 AM
I got lucky on that one. My in-laws are all McCain supporters but they've always been Republicans so that doesn't bother me too much. I couldn't imagine if they were hard core Obama people...ack. =P

HillWill
04-14-2008, 03:00 AM
That is pretty awful. I've lived the experience in Michigan, and the Obama people here just ride with the flow, first they blame Hillary for NOT letting the revote happen, now they say poor Obama because Hillary is trying to get a revote. It's the weirdest and most bizarre thing. It's like because he is black he is god. I am just not that racist sorry. I lived through the Coleman years, and black ain't god. Actually where are the American Indian presidents?

You are so right about the revote issue. First the obamanuts held protests demanding a revote. Now they are quite comfortable with being disenfranchised. It's unbelievably frustrating to me that I want to scream sometimes - like that video! What's worse is that I remember Cong. John Conyers, Jesse jackson, and the whole dem party fighting against disenfranchising voters in Ohio and Florida - and now, they are astoundingly quiet. I wanna scream some more!

EsmeraldaB
04-14-2008, 03:59 AM
I think I'm mostly surrounded by Republicans where I work, and “Democrat” can be a bad word to them, however, two of my co-workers seem to be Democrat with leanings towards Hillary. I try not to talk politics too much on the job because of the Repubs, and these two co-workers aren’t big on discussing politics either, but I’ll email them videos now and again and talk up Hillary on the side.

One friend (who I don't see that often) was glad I emailed the video of the two elderly women who supported Hillary (the “Gold” video), and she forwarded it on to her mother who is definitely a Hillary fan. I sent some email Easter greetings to two other friends, and ended it with a good natured “and be sure to support Hillary” sign off. I got dead silence in return. An out of state friend was big into feminism in her early days and I think she supports Hillary. At least she lets me grumble on about the bots in my letters and doesn't say anything in support of them.

Because I’m in a townhome association, we can’t put up political signs. I’m also new to the neighborhood so I really don’t know anyone (plus my neighbors are stand-offish. Tough for me because I used to be a block club leader where I came from.)

Our whole metro area is practically void of political bumper stickers/signs as well (our state caucuses went to the pseudo-Omnipotent One). Are people mostly ignoring the campaign now or just afraid to outwardly support anyone? Maybe they don’t want to waste any effort until the convention is over. Perhaps they’ve learned a few things about Obama and don’t want to support him anymore. :cool:

I’ve seen maybe 2 Obama bumper stickers and nothing on McCain. I sport a Hillary bumper sticker inside the back window of my car and always wear my Hillary button wherever I go. No one mentions either. If Obama wins the nomination :eek: and his campaign signs start going up afterwards, I think I’m going to puke. I'll be sporting Hillary and McCain signs from then on if that's the case. :mad:

My oldest brother and his family are all Republicans, though he was raised a Democrat and used to help run precinct caucuses. Like his father before him, I’m thinking he was totally turned off when former Vice-President Humphrey was pushed aside for George McGovern, who then went on to lose by a landslide to Nixon. Shall history repeat itself if Obama is the nominee? I already told my brother that I will be joining them on the other side of the fence if Obama and his Kool Aid prevail.

I haven’t a clue where my other brother stands. He’s seen my Hillary signs inside my home, but hasn’t commented on any candidate. I feel pretty much alone in my support, which is why I’m so glad I found the Hillary Clinton Forum. So thanks everyone, I'm so glad to be here. :)

On a happier note, I made another donation to Hillary this evening. :cool:

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JMS825
04-14-2008, 04:14 AM
I live in IL and honestly cant say I know any Obama supporters. Heck even my "black voteing" friends voted for Hillary and think Obama would be the worst option for America

lh4hillary
04-14-2008, 04:27 AM
i'm in the bay area and most of people around here are obama supporters. i have a mixture of friends, but i realized that i cannot talk politics with obama supporters because they don't see the flaws in their candidate and just picks up all the anti-clinton stuff from MSM. i find it frustrating when they always use the same old talking points even as new dirt come up about obama. they always blame her for the iraq war vote, and her healthcare debacle, and never give her any credit for her achievements. they are so competitive and have a very biased view of the primary race. they do the "math", don't count FL and MI votes, and don't get the difference between caucuses and primaries. i realized they just talk about him being inspirational and don't really know much about his track record. worst of all, they think hillary supporters are in the insignificant minority. they bring up statistics of how majority of clinton supporters are people without a college degree, or are racist. they don't see a problem with AA voting 85% for obama, but see a problem with asians, latinos or women being 60% for clinton.

i talk politics with my hillary supporters and we can talk about the issues in a more relevant way. they understand why mandates are necessary, and why clinton's economic stimulus is better than obama's. there is just so much more substance chatting with a hillary supporter. where as an obama supporter is always just talking about how she's a liar, can't trust her yada yada.

i have given up talking with them because i realized they just want to cover their ears and eyes and end the primary right here & now so as to not have their bubble burst. it is definitely sad for me to see obama supporters hate clintons so much to the point that it seems they hate her more than bush. it is absolutely absurd...

MassLib
04-14-2008, 04:36 AM
I have about 10 close friends who are/were my democratic buddies. We used to love hammering the GOP and making fun of Bush and making fun of the right wing.

Now 7 of them are Obama supporters. And 4 of us are Hillary supporters. It is so weird talking to them because they 100% don't get why I hate Obama I 100% don't get why they don't like Hillary.

It is like it used tobe when I would run into a Bush fan and had no idea how they could like that guy.

And the 7 Obama supporters are people I respect and they are smart and they are not idiot. Itis so frustrating.

Anyone have a friend or friends who like obama?

It is amazing how two people can see things so differently.

I have those friends. Most are self-professed "Progressives" who have a personal investment in Obama after having given a few dollars. Now they 'feel' like they are in-tune with him. Reason has no place. I saw this with the Howard Dean campaign. I was with the first group in my city to hold a 'meet-up' and then I was one of the first to run away. It took a few months to get off their email lists with updates and pleas for cash.

They treated me like I had leprosy when I questioned Dean's viability -pre-scream.

Many of the Deaniacs are Obamatrons.

go figure

Patsy
04-14-2008, 04:41 AM
I live in one of the few Blue counties in NC and I know not one single O supporter. I know lots of Edwards supporters who went immediately to Hillary. My entire neighborhood went from being a Repub stronghold to a Dem one about....oh....8 years ago I think.

I've laid down the law too. I preface any call I make to my known Dem friends that if they support O, then we will have to talk another time...and none of them do. It's HRC signs all over the place.:D

xyndau
04-14-2008, 04:47 AM
I live in one of the few Blue counties in NC and I know not one single O supporter. I know lots of Edwards supporters who went immediately to Hillary. My entire neighborhood went from being a Repub stronghold to a Dem one about....oh....8 years ago I think.

I've laid down the law too. I preface any call I make to my known Dem friends that if they support O, then we will have to talk another time...and none of them do. It's HRC signs all over the place.:D


KittyNC, it MUST be nice to live in such an enlightened community! :D

cowymom
04-14-2008, 05:17 AM
first of all am black and i don't only have friends who are obama supporters but i have an army to deal with. my family members (sisters, cousins, brothers and so on), friends and even boyfriend have all drank an overdose of obama kool aid. Frankly, i don't think anyone in this forum feels the pressure more than i do. Recently, i have had to argue almost everyday of my life. I no longer watch tv in the living room. I almost switched to obama in febuary when hillary was experiencing a tsunami, and up to this point they have started questioning my skin color, and the list goes on. it's funny but i don't know how i turned into a white person overnight. I just thank God everyday for giving me a decent family and friends cause am sure if they were way ward my safety level should have gone up to red. I guess if i was a SD i would have been dead by now. sometimes i even think i feel the heat more than hillary does. i am beginning to realize my life span will increase if i stop identifying myself as a clinton supporter but my big mouth won't just shut up. I hate to see people bash her.

Jayling
04-14-2008, 05:19 AM
I live in one of the few Blue counties in NC and I know not one single O supporter. I know lots of Edwards supporters who went immediately to Hillary. My entire neighborhood went from being a Repub stronghold to a Dem one about....oh....8 years ago I think.

I've laid down the law too. I preface any call I make to my known Dem friends that if they support O, then we will have to talk another time...and none of them do. It's HRC signs all over the place.:D
I love your North Carolina Blueness -- but more than that, Kitty's Law Rules!!

Last week my republican brother-in-law called my 83 year old mother, pretending to be from the Obama campaign. He blathered on for a bit and asked if she would help them out. My spunky mother just said, "No thanks, I already voted for our gal." I love her so much! We all got a chuckle out of that.

Oh, my sister and brother-in-law did switch before the Ohio Primary from Red to Indie, and voted for Hillary. They refused to take any chances with Obama getting anywhere near our White House. :)

Brooke
04-14-2008, 06:41 AM
I love reading these!! I forgot to mention my best friend in KY who is an arch dem was originally undecided. I haven't asked her who she's decided, but I think she's leaning towards Hillary. We talk horse racing more than politics usually.

Over the weekend, my mother tried getting me to cut Obama some slack. She doesn't like him but I guess she's trying to get me to stop being so against him. I said "Sorry mom, I don't think so".

Oh and I saw a Hillary sign on a lawn in Jersey over the weekend. I tried putting one on my parents' lawn but my dad said "We already had our primary" so I took the sign.

samkm
04-14-2008, 06:46 AM
It doesnt matter if you had the primary; if you have a sign, go ahead and put it in. This is an important election in word of mouth does matter. Everyone has a cousin/brother/parent/friend in PA/IN/OR/NC/PR...Thanks.

samkm
04-14-2008, 06:49 AM
I have those friends. Most are self-professed "Progressives" who have a personal investment in Obama after having given a few dollars. Now they 'feel' like they are in-tune with him. Reason has no place.

yes, I have noticed this as well.

One neighbor was so uninformed about BO yet had shelled $$ and was making calls. The first question I asked her revealed that she did not know anything much.. and she thought quite highly of HRC, yet will continue to support BO bec "now that she has ALREADY SUPPORTED." I have to call her and ask her to run down the list of thing she has discovered since we spoke..

NewHamster
04-14-2008, 10:52 AM
i'm in the bay area and most of people around here are obama supporters. i have a mixture of friends, but i realized that i cannot talk politics with obama supporters because they don't see the flaws in their candidate and just picks up all the anti-clinton stuff from MSM. i find it frustrating when they always use the same old talking points even as new dirt come up about obama. they always blame her for the iraq war vote, and her healthcare debacle, and never give her any credit for her achievements. they are so competitive and have a very biased view of the primary race. they do the "math", don't count FL and MI votes, and don't get the difference between caucuses and primaries. i realized they just talk about him being inspirational and don't really know much about his track record. worst of all, they think hillary supporters are in the insignificant minority. they bring up statistics of how majority of clinton supporters are people without a college degree, or are racist. they don't see a problem with AA voting 85% for obama, but see a problem with asians, latinos or women being 60% for clinton.

i talk politics with my hillary supporters and we can talk about the issues in a more relevant way. they understand why mandates are necessary, and why clinton's economic stimulus is better than obama's. there is just so much more substance chatting with a hillary supporter. where as an obama supporter is always just talking about how she's a liar, can't trust her yada yada.

i have given up talking with them because i realized they just want to cover their ears and eyes and end the primary right here & now so as to not have their bubble burst. it is definitely sad for me to see obama supporters hate clintons so much to the point that it seems they hate her more than bush. it is absolutely absurd...

This post is so true! I've found too that the Obama supporters are SOO quick to blame Hillary for the war, health care, NAFTA, but they don't bother to research it. I had those questions too, at first, so I dug in, read Hillary's book, listened and looked for the facts. They also don't look themselves at the primary numbers, and only listen to the MSM going on about how many states BO has won. Yes, Hillary supporters are kinda laughed at, like it's so over, why don't we just accept it! And the crap about Hillary supporters being blue-collar and Obama supporters being college educated is so elitist and condescending, as if college-educated Hillary supporters must be not-really-smart-over-achievers of some sort.

I've also had a few heated discussions with Obama supporters about the "mandates". Several have said that they couldn't possibly buy health insurance, no matter how cheap it is, and that the government should just provide it for them. I pointed out that "the government" is our taxes, so take your pick. Somehow they can accept having their taxes pay for health care, but are angry that Hillary insists that they buy it, no matter how affordable she makes it. These people are not rich but by and large have cell phones and other small luxuries, yet insist they could never afford even subsidized health insurance, and are angry that Hillary "screwed it up" in the 90's!! I start feeling like a Republican when I argue with them, and that scares me..

BooskerD
04-14-2008, 11:19 AM
One of my friends is an Obama supporter because Hillary physically resembles her boss- whom she loathes. That's her only reason.:mad:

Optixmom
04-14-2008, 11:29 AM
I just dropped my son off at a playdate and the family has a big Obama sign in their yard. My son made a comment to me asking if it was still OK for him to go there and I laughed. I told him that we live in America and everyone has a right to vote for who they feel is the best candidate to them. (Even though I was a little nauseous, truthfully.)

Tea toaD
04-14-2008, 11:29 AM
No family members support Obama. 2 friends are Obama supporters:( We don't talk much these days btw:(. They don't want to listen to me if I'm talking about Hillary and vice versa from me if they are talking Obama. They are staunch so I don't think I could turn them no matter what I said or no matter what Obama has done:mad:

BlkMn4Hillary
04-14-2008, 12:34 PM
I keep reading that he inspires people - to do what? I never hear that part.


He inspires me...................to vote for Hillary!!!!

freethinker
04-14-2008, 12:51 PM
i'm in the bay area and most of people around here are obama supporters. i have a mixture of friends, but i realized that i cannot talk politics with obama supporters because they don't see the flaws in their candidate and just picks up all the anti-clinton stuff from MSM. i find it frustrating when they always use the same old talking points even as new dirt come up about obama. they always blame her for the iraq war vote, and her healthcare debacle, and never give her any credit for her achievements. they are so competitive and have a very biased view of the primary race. they do the "math", don't count FL and MI votes, and don't get the difference between caucuses and primaries. i realized they just talk about him being inspirational and don't really know much about his track record. worst of all, they think hillary supporters are in the insignificant minority. they bring up statistics of how majority of clinton supporters are people without a college degree, or are racist. they don't see a problem with AA voting 85% for obama, but see a problem with asians, latinos or women being 60% for clinton.

i talk politics with my hillary supporters and we can talk about the issues in a more relevant way. they understand why mandates are necessary, and why clinton's economic stimulus is better than obama's. there is just so much more substance chatting with a hillary supporter. where as an obama supporter is always just talking about how she's a liar, can't trust her yada yada.

i have given up talking with them because i realized they just want to cover their ears and eyes and end the primary right here & now so as to not have their bubble burst. it is definitely sad for me to see obama supporters hate clintons so much to the point that it seems they hate her more than bush. it is absolutely absurd...


What she said............my situation exactly

skc1976
04-14-2008, 03:01 PM
I'm happy to say that a good portion of my friends are Hillary supporters. However, there are a few Obama supporters and a couple ex-friends that just don't care enough to vote but b*tch about the government. Of the Obama supporters, they are a lot less enchanted now with him than they were before. I kind of wish that VA was voting in a few weeks because I think it would be a lot less lopsided now. Seems to be a lot of anti-Obama sentiment now.

JMS825
04-14-2008, 03:05 PM
I just dropped my son off at a playdate and the family has a big Obama sign in their yard. My son made a comment to me asking if it was still OK for him to go there and I laughed. I told him that we live in America and everyone has a right to vote for who they feel is the best candidate to them. (Even though I was a little nauseous, truthfully.)

next time you go there stick a hillary bumper sticker on their Obama sign

samkm
04-14-2008, 03:10 PM
I am trying to get some insight.. So, what insight have we gained here with which we can convince more of PA voters to vote for HRC on April22? What do we know about "hold outs" that can help in reaching them? Thanks.

HRH Jorge
04-14-2008, 03:23 PM
Kitty-
Bless your area! Even in Hillary's Homestate (I'm in NYC) I run into a lot of Obama supporters- I live in an area thats primarily Dominican (I'm Puerto Rican) - though there are alot of Young preppy Caucasians and African Americans (I love NY for our mixture) who've drank the Kool-aid - Buttons and signs all over the place.
HRH