Washington State Let Hillary Down

[Washington State Voter]

I am so sorry and am ashamed of Washington State for letting Hillary down.:(

I hope she ultimately wins the nomination for President.

[CGP]

Well I definitely hope so too...

All we can do is look forwards & have positive hopes for the upcoming primaries...

[CGP]

I am so sorry and am ashamed of Washington State for letting Hillary down.:(

I hope she ultimately wins the nomination for President.

Did Hillary do much advertsing in Washington on TV?

What do you think led to Obama doing so well there?

[Washington State Voter]

Hillary visited Seattle Thursday night 2/7 and she did have television commercials aired as well.

I believe the good ol boy club is alive and well and is one of the influences in this country as to why Obama is doing so well.

In Washington State money backed Obama.

[CGP]

Hillary visited Seattle Thursday night 2/7 and she did have television commercials aired as well.

I believe the good ol boy club is alive and well and is one of the influences in this country as to why Obama is doing so well.

In Washington State money backed Obama.
I think the SEXISM aspect is a major factor in Obama's rise. Despite the fact that no-one in the media wants to publicly acknoweldge it, this battle between Clinton and Obama is certainly being dominated by backward notions of "men" and "women" in our society and major DOUBLE STANDARDS. Clinton and Obama are not being subjected to the same standards by the media or the public. Check out this topic I have started about the gender issue - some great articles linked in there:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=20

[dandanna]

Louisiana and Nebraska let her down as well. I am so disappointed in the Democratic party right now. If she does not win this nomination, I am going to change my party registration to Independent and purge my home of the Donkeys. I can no longer be a member of a party that clearly does not have my interests at heart.

[joeysky18]

If DNC doesn't put their head together and take the interest of the voters at heart, they are going to lose big in this election.

Democrat took control of the senate for over a year, and their performance has been very lack luster. They don't come under scrutiny yet, but I bet it won't be long.

If after 8 years of disastrous Bush government and Democrat still can't win the general election, the party will be the biggest loser in this year election.

DNC has mismanaged FL and MI. And looks like they will have another big problem with superdelegate. It seems to me they can't control their people. Democrat party members are popping out here and there and speak against the superdelegate system of the party. This thing should be discussed and resolved with DNC. I don't really appreciate Obama speaking in public against the surrogate system, and his surrogate threaten to quite the party. This kind of talk divides the strength of the party.

IMHO, if DNC can't sort this out peacefully and graciously, they will suffer a big lost in the GE.

[BloodDAnna]

My hubby and I are in total agreement with you on this. I'm curious to see the primary ballots counted and see who the non-caucus attending people voted for.

[CGP]

I think either way, if Clinton is nominated or Obama is nominated, supporters in the losing camp are going to feel very disheartened. It's a polarizing event this one which threatens to lead some people to either not vote or vote for the RP in defiance!

[BloodDAnna]

My dad is 65 years old and has only ever voted for Democrats in any election. He is adamant that if the general election comes down to Obama and McCain he will vote for a Republican for the first time in his life. That in itself says something.

[CGP]

My dad is 65 years old and has only ever voted for Democrats in any election. He is adamant that if the general election comes down to Obama and McCain he will vote for a Republican for the first time in his life. That in itself says something.

I have been hearing this more and more. The reason the Republicans have supported O's rapid rise is because they know he is the easier candidate to beat at the general election. They fear Hillary as she has 15 years of battles behind her - she is ready for the onslaught. BO meanwhile has nil experience enduring the kind of ferocious attacks that will inevitably commence if he is the nominee. The RP will be viscious - they will do anything to win! Some of the voters for Hillary will be so incensed by her being sidelined that I am sure some will do a protest vote or not vote at all in the general election.

[johnny51981]

I also believe that our state of Washington got it wrong. And I believe part of the issue is the confusion of us having both a Caucus and a Primary. But on the Democratic side, voters did not know that they would only be counted (towards delegates) if they attended the caucus.

[BloodDAnna]

I had no idea until I got to the caucus and they announced it. Didn't you feel like that should have been clearly stated on the primary ballots so people were aware?

[hobbitt]

Did Hillary do much advertsing in Washington on TV?

What do you think led to Obama doing so well there?


Obama did well here because it is a caucus state. For Democrats only, not for the Republicans, and NOT for "The State of Washington" which runs a primary for its citizens.

Before the primary, Democratic (and I use the word loosely) organizations were sending out mail claiming that "On January 28, voters will begin receiving mail-in ballots for the February 19 Presidential Primary. If you are a Democrat, ignore them. "

I attended a caucus this year. It was awful. There were a large group of very loud and very young Obama supporters.

(I remind you of the now-famous Casey Knowles, the sleeping girl in the "3 a.m." ad. She is a 17 year old high school student who is now elected a Washington Precinct Delegate!)

They were there early, as I was. They set up tables, draped with the Obama name; posters, signs, huge banners; they were dressed alike in Obama t-shirts and Obama hats. They were singing Obama songs.

As I was looking for a Clinton supporter, half the Obama crew positioned themselves in front of the door, blocking it. People trying to get in had to fight their way through the Obama bodies, who were jeering and having a wonderful old time for themselves.


I tried to find the person in charge of the caucus. I finally found two people, hiding in the hallway. They were visibly shaken. I told them about the crowd at the door. One of these people said to me, I suppose by way of excuse, "there were only eight people here last year!".

Another of the Obama crew came over and yelled at these people. "Its time to lock the door!" and he frog-marched them over to the door.

The Obama crew then brought the meeting to order, hauled the Precinct people up to the mike, and told them to get started.


I could go on and on about how terrible, disruptive, rude and obnoxious these kids were. Yeah - kids. Arrogant smirking little ----s. I doubt there was anyone old enough to vote.

The results, whatever they were, announced - no one could hear. Caucus over.

The people of Washington did not "let Hillary down." The Obama supporters were totally organized, superbly practiced, totally in charge. The Democratic Party should be ashamed of themselves for clinging to this &*#^$ caucus system. The Democratic Party of Washington let Hillary down.

And the Clinton campaign 'experts' who failed to recognize, after the first few state caucuses, exactly what was happening to these contests and who failed to adjust strategy accordingly "let Hillary down."

I have a friend in Colorado who experienced similar, though not as egregious, caucus results.

Why does Obama do so well in caucus states? Because his campaign staff obviously saw the advantage in caucuses. Less than five per cent of the population turns out for these; how simple to influence the results.

They spent the money and made the effort to organize local Obama supporters, and trained them well.

[memphis]

I agree with that the Hill camp should have been on top of this sort of deliberate actions from Obama camp to disrupt and throw caucus centers in disaray. Would really like to have an answer to that one.
What you described reminds me of descriptions of elections in other Countries where the election is fixed.

[CGP]

Why does Obama do so well in caucus states? Because his campaign staff obviously saw the advantage in caucuses. Less than five per cent of the population turns out for these; how simple to influence the results.

Yes, if ever there was a process whereby the outcome was vulnerable to manipulation, bullying and pressue, the caucus system is it! Perfect for the Obama campaign and its mob of bullying supporters.

[CGP]

I agree with that the Hill camp should have been on top of this sort of deliberate actions from Obama camp to disrupt and throw caucus centers in disaray. Would really like to have an answer to that one.
What you described reminds me of descriptions of elections in other Countries where the election is fixed.

Yes, this kind of outrageous behavior should have been challenged at the first instance.

And yes, is this the USA in 2008?

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I am so sorry and am ashamed of Washington State for letting Hillary down.:(

I hope she ultimately wins the nomination for President.


Well, your neighbor will help you out!!! Oregon's primary is in May and
we have had the advantage of seeing Nobama for a longer period of time.
Also, Governor Kulingoski has had the good sense of endorsing Hillary a long time ago! In recent weeks, Oregon has been edging away from Nobama and is tilting for Hillary! And, when I am done calling, going door to door and jumping around Oregon promoting Hillary, I am telling you that the Great Pacific Northwest will not be giving Nobama a free ride!!
Oregon will help you out, good neighbor!! OREGON GOES HILLARY!!!!!

[BloodDAnna]

http://www.wa-democrats.org/

I pestered them until they posted the whole delegate caucus/convention explaination, check it out! If you were not selected as a delegate at your precinct caucus on Feb 9th there is an application to become a delegate or alternate to the National Convention.

So get on it Washingtonians!!! Hillary needs all the help she can get here.