VIDEO April 17 - Obama gives Clinton "the finger" in North Carolina -- in front of children!

[HillBuzzBlogspotCom]

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-gave-clinton-finger-at-campaign.html#links

We are just speechless here.

This man is running for president -- the ultimate role model.

And he does this childish bit in front of kids, no less, in Raleigh today. He's upset he lost the debate, and he's lashing out.

But, to do this "pretend to touch face" and flip the bird thing, it's just embarrassing for him.

Misogynist much?

YouTube - Obama Gives Hillary The Finger

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-gave-clinton-finger-at-campaign.html#links

[Sandy in PA]

I don't even know what to say! What the heck was that? And they cheered when he did it!

[WV4Hillary]

If she did that to him it'd be over for her...OMG! Did her SERIOUSLY do that? I'm starting to think he wants to see how far he can push people and still win. I bet he and Michelle laugh about the idiots in this country daily.

Get this to the media and let them make a big deal out of it. That REALLY makes me mad. I'm sure it would infuriate women too!

[ZY123]

Oh my! First - my husband does that kind of thing to other drivers when they make him mad in traffic (the fake out)....however he's not running for President either.

So now seriously, not a proper action for a future "leader". What's he going to to when the leader of another country makes him angry? Flip them off?

[Cooney]

Looked purposeful to me. The crowd certainly got the message. He does certainly have deniability, but still pretty disgusting.

[Sandy in PA]

My thoughts, exactly, Cooney--the crowd ate it up. It was definitely on purpose!

[Cooney]

Tasteless and tactless. Hillary would never dream about doing something like that.

[blueskygal]

and JEALOUS! of Hillary. She is going to wup his butt in a few days.

They took the pillows out from under him and he can't stand the heat.

so get out of the kitchen obama!

[hillary4change]

This little boy, needs his @$$ spanked!!! I wasn't much of a spanker, it had to be really, REALLY bad, I have to tell you this would qualify. Evidently his grandparents money, and his mothers food stamps, didn't but him any manners!!

[ZY123]

OK it's official, Obama is running for 8th grade class president...good god. And in 8th grade even he'd probably get detention for it.

[Sandy in PA]

Absolutely trashy behavior!

[RayinAR]

I just wish he didn't have any deniablility to it and have it backfire on him. He's just going to say he was swatting a fly or something.

[Patsy]

I just sent to all NC dems I know and asked them to work the grapevine on this one.

This is so NOT what we need in a Nominee.

[xfiles]

Has anyone sent this to the media, etc.?

[ZforHill]

Depressing. I think he's picking a fight on purpose. He's actually hoping someone will comment on it, so he can reply, "look at how they're attacking me for scratching my face." "They hate me!" and play the victim card. They'll call us paranoid.

I think it's our duty to be one step ahead of Obama. He is a tactician, his speech on race was strategic, just like a lawyer to prepare for future attacks. I think everyone shouldn't comment on it, because the only person we'll be arguing against are the Obama-fanatics, who enjoy when Obama does things like this. They called Hillary a c*** and w****, and they stood by their comments. Let the voters see this, and let them decide for themselves. We should stick to his Bittergate and Wright comments.

[Jayling]

No class.

Childish.

He will NOT be the President of the United States of OUR America.

[joeysky18]

I think it was very subtle. So much that he could probably get away with his usual line "people is reading too much tea leaf". It's also possible that this is just another stupid things that Obama did.

If it's unintentional, he just have to apologize and move on. But I don't count on it.

All in all, it's pure speculation from our part. There are better concrete issue that we can use to hammer him.

If we stump on this, we might play into his book that HRC supporters are over zealous in bringing him down.

[lea210]

everyone comment on this video and show ur disapproval..i did

[RayinAR]

I think it was very subtle. So much that he could probably get away with his usual line "people is reading too much tea leaf". It's also possible that this is just another stupid things that Obama did.

If it's unintentional, he just have to apologize and move on. But I don't count on it.

All in all, it's pure speculation from our part. There are better concrete issue that we can use to hammer him.

If we stump on this, we might play into his book that HRC supporters are over zealous in bringing him down.

agreed. Alot of other ammo given by him to use that he can't argue with.

[atypical]

I am as astounded as I can be that he has sunk to this level. This should be put out there for the public to see, even though he will deny that he was doing anything other than scratching his cheek. The laughter in the audience belies that interpretation, but that's what he will say. We can only
hope that many will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Patricia GA]

Wonder if there are videos of him doing something similar to his face before this debate not using the middle finger. Then one could say before Debate in New Hampshire and then show After Debate in New Hampshire. LOL He could easily make excuses for this, but if there was a pattern of him not using the middle finger...and then this one in NC ....that would be more evidence of intent.

[hillguy08]

To me, this seems to be on the borderline between intentional and unintentional. If Hillary or the MSM brings it up, Obama's just gonna dismiss it as the silly season of politics again.

[Santiago]

I'm from the streets. In my younger days of course! That was street. That was intentional. Most would miss it. People of color, myself included, probably caught it. Notice the hoots! Among other things, its called filipping off on the down low. If someone "not hip" catches it, it's called a busted move. (Got caught)

[Bless]

Really can’t expect better from someone who sat and listen to Wright for 20 years

[mjno7777]

He can't dismiss it, The crowd went wild when he did it, and look at his grin. This man has the maturity of an adolescent. HE WILL NOT BE MY PRESIDENT.

[RachachaSharon]

He's playing to his juvenile audience. Remember, BO has never had any competition that he couldn't dispose of through chicanery. The gloves are off, the mask has slipped and the real Barack Obama just entered the arena. Last night he found out that Hillary is "the force" to reckon with. He may have played them in Chicago, but Hillary is on to him. GO HILLARY!!!

[Jayling]

Well, I'm not from the streets but those flip-offs happen even around here. It was obvious from my experiences standpoint.

Obnoxious.

[Leekosagrios]

I think that's stretching it a little bit guys...

I can't stand BO but unless I had read the subject of this thread, it would have never occurred to me that he was "giving the finger". Let's stay focused on real issues, please.

[xfiles]

In addition, I don't think he's made similiar gestures that are inconsequential (such as his talking about the economy) when speaking prior to this.

[lakerchick4life]

WOW how old is this guy..5..I think we are seeing the TRUE Obama here..and I hope that people realize it before it's too late..and I mean it..because if he were to ever become President I think we would just have to leave the country..because having him run our country would be downright scary

[mjoynaples]

I just sent to all NC dems I know and asked them to work the grapevine on this one.

This is so NOT what we need in a Nominee.

This is so disgusting, and yes the people behind him are pointing it out to each other and cracking up... he is loosing and he cannot stand it so he is going to go trashy the problem is here he thinks this is NOT who he is ... guess what he is resorting to the only thing he knows and the DEMS want this man? to be PRESIDENT - our party is broken... how do you send this to the media? Bill O'Reilly, Hannity Lou they would take it I think... would like to see what happens after this too... I am really getting sick of this man and continue to be flabergasted by the choices people are making for him over Hillary and pointing the finger at her (not a pun here) as if she were the wrong doer... she wants to do the work of the President for Americans he just wants to put on a show ....

[ssmith]

Sickening...this Man Sickens Me.....

[freespirit]

If she did that to him it'd be over for her...OMG! Did her SERIOUSLY do that? I'm starting to think he wants to see how far he can push people and still win. I bet he and Michelle laugh about the idiots in this country daily.

Get this to the media and let them make a big deal out of it. That REALLY makes me mad. I'm sure it would infuriate women too!

That's what I think, too - they have been laughing at Ted, Kerry, Daschle, and all the rich ultra-liberals who think they are sooo sophisticated and hip because they're supporting BO. A lot of people are going to be revealed for the bafoons they are, including Pelosi and the idiots mentioned above, as well as tweety with the tingling thighs, Anderson Cooper, Jack Cafferty, and on and on. I can't wait to see the fall out from being such jack asses when BO is in the tank, and they're left with Hill and MC.

[ssmith]

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[mjno7777]

Everyone watch the video, it made me soooooooooooooooooooo angry. He is unfit to be President.

[Jayling]

By the comments so far there are differences of opinions -- some of us see it as a blatant flip-off, others as a subtle gesture, and others yet don't think it has much weight.

The differences may be from our own life experiences. From where I come from, it was blatant.

[Ijane]

I watched the video first without sound and it looked like a stretch to say that he was giving her the finger. I put on the sound and watched it again and he was clearly giving her the finger. What other explanation is there for his third finger touching his face while the kids begin to roar? The obama's think they're sly. There's many incidences already documenting their passive aggressive covert-esq nasty behavior. Barack is a poor sport. I'm sure he used to cheat at Candyland when he was a kid.

[joeysky18]

The differences may be from our own life experiences.

good point Jayling.

[Borlah]

Here's the list of the uncommited superdelegates.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/primaries/superdelegates/search.php?a=&b=1&n=&s=0&d=1&x=0&e7=1

Would take some time to find contacts for them all but, they are the ones who might really need to see this.

[Santiago]

Well, I'm not from the streets but those flip-offs happen even around here. It was obvious from my experiences standpoint.

Obnoxious.

Sorry, no offense meant if any was taken. I was trying to point out that he feels he is too slick to be caught by most people. He was preaching to his choir, and felt only they would get it. He underestimates the American people. :)

[atypical]

If anyone knows how to send this link to the media outlets, please do, but refrain from labeling it. Let viewers make of it what they will.

[skc1976]

This is just disgusting behavior! It's deplorable and fills me with contempt. I have to say, when I am picking on friends and wanting to flip them off, that's one way I do it. This is a man that says a lot with his body language and this is no exception.

I'm sorry Hillary, I love you, but if you're not the nominee, even if you came to my house and asked for me to vote for him, I won't. This man is unfit to lead us anywhere, except to HELL!

[hillguy08]

Should I post this video on my YouTube channel too? To spread word about this tragic event?

[ssmith]

Spread This Everywhere....contact Now(national Orginization Of Women"s )!!!

[LJSNAustin]

I think that's stretching it a little bit guys...

I can't stand BO but unless I had read the subject of this thread, it would have never occurred to me that he was "giving the finger".

Blatantly.

[CGP]

I think this was blatant given its co-occurrence with what he was saying. And how many people scratch their face with one middle finger? It doesn't even feel natural to do so. This was giving her the finger, bigtime. Obama is extremely narcissistic - people who are narcissistic don't like getting criticized. We are now seeing Obama's response to being scrutinized - appalling thus far.

[CGP]

I think that's stretching it a little bit guys...

I can't stand BO but unless I had read the subject of this thread, it would have never occurred to me that he was "giving the finger". Let's stay focused on real issues, please.

I don't think so.

It seems intentional and blatant.

And when was the last time you accidentally scratched your face with the middle finger at the same time as you talked about someone you have ill-feeling towards?!

[xfiles]

I've looked a few dozen of his videos so far and don't see anything even close to that gesture in them.

Others look through them too so we can attest to that fact. It was either an uncontrolled spasm or a flip off!!

And why would the crowd be cheering at just the mention of Hillary being in her element?

[nette60]

I don't even know what to say! What the heck was that? And they cheered when he did it!

This needs to go to the media!....Lets send it to everyone!.....ABC, Lou Dobbs at CNN, Greta at Fox and all stations in Philadelphia. He is a pig! Can you believe he wants to be POTUS?????

[victory]

UNbelievable. How old is this guy? That is clearly the finger. It's what kids do. Trying to be slick. Figures.

[Ijane]

" (crowd quiet)...and I'd just say...Senator Clinton looked in her element..uh...(finger on face, crowd begins to roar)..."

Sorry but Obama is definitely giving Clinton the finger!

[endodoc79]

This was absolutely intentional. If anyone of us did that when giving a presentation at our place of employment we would be censured at the least and possibly fired. He is acting like the adolescents that cling to him. I am incredulous. He has sunk to an all time low. He thinks he's still on the south side of Chicago in the 'hood.

[SunnyInCal]

I have to admit I've seen replays of this on the tv and never paid attention to the fact that he was scratching his face.. but it is a job for someone to go back through all the video to see if he uses his middle finger regularly just to scratch his face

the interesting thing is.. the audience reaction.. even if it wasn't intended.. his excusers think it was intended and they are rooting for it.

[SunnyInCal]

This was absolutely intentional. If anyone of us did that when giving a presentation at our place of employment we would be censured at the least and possibly fired. He is acting like the adolescents that cling to him. I am incredulous. He has sunk to an all time low. He thinks he's still on the south side of Chicago in the 'hood.

Well this is the thing.. he is supposed to be standing up for black and biracial people as an icon of what they can accomplish.. supposedly.. really? This really does take him back to the streets.


I wonder how often he scratched his face with the middle finger while at Harvard.

[Amy Dugan]

Get It To Hannity Asap

[lakerchick4life]

They interviewed people in small town PA on Hannity and they all were PISSED OFF at Obama..one guy in fact said "I don't like him, I'd love to say it to his face"

[pearson]

Pretty stunning.

By the way, has anybody parsed through some other videos of Obama to see if he has made similar gestures to check to see if this is just a habit (ie, not an intentional gesture?)

[Lodi]

Sorry, no offense meant if any was taken. I was trying to point out that he feels he is too slick to be caught by most people. He was preaching to his choir, and felt only they would get it. He underestimates the American people. :)

I know you're responding to Jayling, so I apologize for butting in for a moment. :o

Just want to say that I personally got what you're saying. He's puttin' on his street clothes again, and yes, he does think he's slick. After all, he can shrug it off, and all the aforementioned suck-ups will defend him ad nauseam.

BUT, the public mostly gets it. I personally wouldn't send the clip to the media with any definitive accusations. I might just ask if anything strikes them odd, and I'd probably send a clip that's a little longer on either side of the main event, to put the action and the audience reaction in more context.

I think BO forgets that the public went crazy because they saw a "crucifix" in the background of the Huckabee Xmas commercial. Remember that? It was merely the lines of the bookcases, and people went bonkers over it.

And that's my 25 cents (inflation!). :)

[NewHamster]

I'm not hip. I never would have caught it.

[Lodi]

They interviewed people in small town PA on Hannity and they all were PISSED OFF at Obama..one guy in fact said "I don't like him, I'd love to say it to his face"

I just heard that, too!!!! :) (I live in Vegas; also Pacific time zone.)
Hannity's on a roll about our entire litany of complaints. (Well, most of them!)
Yay!

[Morgan]

How immature, just like a brat kid.

[Annie]

Depressing. I think he's picking a fight on purpose. He's actually hoping someone will comment on it, so he can reply, "look at how they're attacking me for scratching my face." "They hate me!" and play the victim card. They'll call us paranoid.

I think it's our duty to be one step ahead of Obama. He is a tactician, his speech on race was strategic, just like a lawyer to prepare for future attacks. I think everyone shouldn't comment on it, because the only person we'll be arguing against are the Obama-fanatics, who enjoy when Obama does things like this. They called Hillary a c*** and w****, and they stood by their comments. Let the voters see this, and let them decide for themselves. We should stick to his Bittergate and Wright comments.

Absolutely - don't bother with the finger - let it speak for itself. There are many other things of more importance....Ayers.....on Lou Dobbs the writer of the book about all that stuff and on Fox Hannity tonight......

Keep on about Ayers - Wright - bitterness turning to Religiion and guns... Rezko - he was there and toasted the Syrian Terrorist Auchi...... These are what needs to be presented out to the media over and over..... google you will find all of it.....

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/31226.html

[Lodi]

I'm not hip. I never would have caught it.

You're probably too polite and well mannered to have noticed.It's to your credit.

I, on the other hand, am a heathen (though not running for office :)), and recognize this move from Catholic school, where we did it almost daily behind the nuns' backs.

[Jayling]

Sorry, no offense meant if any was taken. I was trying to point out that he feels he is too slick to be caught by most people. He was preaching to his choir, and felt only they would get it. He underestimates the American people. :)
oh no no, sorry, Santiago, I could've worded that better. I had just meant to show that from the streets to my own crappy small town -- it sent the same message.

:)

[SunnyInCal]

No doubt the Uhbama KoolAid drinkers loved his vulgarity and another angel got it's wings.

In my short time in this forum, I've urged others to support Uhbama should he be the nominee. Now I'm wavering myself.

What a punk. :mad:

Welcome Mike.

Continue to read all our threads.. then check back in and see if you could still vote for Obama if he's the nominee :)

[user312]

" (crowd quiet)...and I'd just say...Senator Clinton looked in her element..uh...(finger on face, crowd begins to roar)..."

Sorry but Obama is definitely giving Clinton the finger!

It does appear that this was intended in my opinion - notice the black gentleman siting behind Obama, appears to react immediately when Obama's finger touches is face, and turns to a another audience member as if to point out what just happened.

[Ijane]

He's trying to connect with the kids. That's why so many of his speech transcripts show 'wanna' for want to and 'gonna' for going to. He wasn't blessed with the ability to understand people. I think his assessment of what the youth wants him to be is wrong. He clearly mistakes obnoxious, demeaning behavior as being cool. I have more respect for our young people then obama has so I don't believe that gesture went over well with a lot of the kids.

[HillBuzzBlogspotCom]

Someone please confirm this --- I've gotten 10 emails just now telling me Obama is LEFT HANDED.

He made this gesture with his right hand.

If he was scratching his face, wouldn't he scratch with his left hand, as it would be an involuntary movement, made with his dominant hand?

He did this on purpose....there is a CBS video I can't get to embed that is a BETTER Angle....check it out at

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

Someone please get this on YouTube, the CBS raw footage....it is a CLEAR shot of the finger

[xfiles]

Please read my post about 4-5 above!

Pretty stunning.

By the way, has anybody parsed through some other videos of Obama to see if he has made similar gestures to check to see if this is just a habit (ie, not an intentional gesture?)

[mjoynaples]

what happpened to the video? it says it is not available now...

[Brooke]

That's the same thing I've been doing all week to his ads here, how funny!

[Hoosier]

I am not sure if this was intentional or not. So..... lets send it to the media and let them figure it out. As far as his audience is concerned, these are people who applaud when he blows his nose. It doesn't take much to entertain simple minds.

[xfiles]

http://www.leftiesforobama.com/

Obama is left handed!

[pearson]

Here is a longer version of that speech:

YouTube - Barack Obama in Raleigh, NC

In this, he touches his face three times: the first time with his pinky, the second time in reference to Hillary, with his middle finger. The last time with his index finger.

I also looked at some other speeches of his on YouTube and couldn't find any in which he touches his face.

[PuppyDogMom]

Did anyone catch what he was saying?

[bernie gagliano]

Bill needs to go kick his bony ass.

His ilk deserves a first class ass-kicking. They have insulted everyone in the Democratic Party--working people in the middle class, Italian-Americans, women of all ages, the Clinton Legacy of Peace and Prosperity; he stole the United Farm Worker's slogan (which was established with blood and death in the fields), and now he disgraces himself and the entire American public with this infantile behavior. We have been shown just a glimpse of what he plans with his administration. F U America! That is his HOPE for Change.

Next time they meet she should give him a shot in arm--just like he deserves.

I cannot believe any one could ever vote for this punk.

I will lead the parade to McCain if they force Hillary out.

NEVER would I vote for this lowlife.

[SunnyInCal]

In this, he touches his face three times: the first time with his pinky, the second time in reference to Hillary, with his middle finger. The last time with his index finger.

I also looked at some other speeches of his on YouTube and couldn't find any in which he touches his face.

So he could just say he was itchy, or it could be that he was setting it up by the pinky and covered it up with the index.

What bothers me, maybe more, is how he plays the crowd. It's like being at a high school rally and getting the crowd ready for a big game. Here is says he wanted to talk issues in the debate but he failed to talk about them here.

And I don't like his wiping off his shoulders and apparently his pants like just wiping dirt off

[Disfranchised]

He is being a great roll model for our kids!!!NOT
First with his plagiarism, Second with his questionable past, and now he has the audacity of flipping his finger?

[Cooney]

It was intentional. The problem is he will deny deny deny. He is a poor excuse for a man in my opinion.

[Linda C]

He can't dismiss it, The crowd went wild when he did it, and look at his grin. This man has the maturity of an adolescent. HE WILL NOT BE MY PRESIDENT.

This is part of a narcissistic personality. They do not do well with criticism and tend to lash out and never take any responsibility for their behavior.

It is Hillary Clinton's fault that those questions by the moderators were asked and he could not answer them.

[Charlie Brown]

someone send this to hannity and I mean fast. Even better Orielly he is a rabid dog on children issues.

This is a BIG DEAL...you think PA didnt like the bittergate wait till they see this...

[candyrose9460]

he knows he is a loser............. hillary in nov...................44#

[CGP]

Oh gosh, the 4 minute video was intolerable. I had to mute most of it. His narcissism is unbearable. And he riles up the crowd like it's a dog fight. Disgusting.

[Morgan]

It was intentional. The problem is he will deny deny deny. He is a poor excuse for a man in my opinion.


Well sure he will deny it, but plenty of people will see the truth.

The time is now to get the word out, before it is to late.


It's way to late to take the moral high ground, when his side isn't.


NOBAMA!

[Christines]

I have been blogging the finger video all over. I blogged on it on Huffington Post tonight and now I am banned there and not allowed to comment!!:eek:

[hillary4change]

This is so infantile...so...Obama! I don't think any one will care at this point. I tried to watch news today. Everyone was on the Hillary won bandwagon. Then it started turning to what about the issues..etc. Pretty soon it was back to Hillary went negative!!!
I hate it when she plays ventriloquist with the moderators!! I have spoken to her about that time after time...to no avail!!!

[cowymom]

let him brush off his shoulders, he'll brush it on the 22nd. just be cool and keep making phone calls, blogging, alert the media to, although they are still drinking the kool aid

[xfiles]

Obama seems to be quite comfortable putting people down, belittling them, making fun of them, etc.

Another HUGE character flaw but unfortunately we have a very large number of mean spirited young people and voters who think that behavior is just fine!

From the mean street....

[Charlie Brown]

They just showed the finger on CNN and CNN didnt say anything I think they are condoning it....But it was aired...I say get this to FOX people because they are on the media about not vetting BO....

[Santiago]

Someone please confirm this --- I've gotten 10 emails just now telling me Obama is LEFT HANDED.

He made this gesture with his right hand.

If he was scratching his face, wouldn't he scratch with his left hand, as it would be an involuntary movement, made with his dominant hand?

He did this on purpose....there is a CBS video I can't get to embed that is a BETTER Angle....check it out at

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

Someone please get this on YouTube, the CBS raw footage....it is a CLEAR shot of the finger

Done!!

[pnevai]

Sorry I just dont see it at all, It was not the only time he touched his face. The crowd was cheering, at other seemingly random times. I"ve done this move as well, and usually while looking the person I wish to convey the message to. It is a phycological quirk, that if you examining something looking with the predisposition of of what you are to see then the mind can mind fashions your perceptions.

It is not unlike looking at clouds, util you set yourself to find the shapes of animals or objects within the cloud formations, otherwise they are just puffy clouds.

Had it not been suggested that he was flipping the bird, the action would never registered, especially after seeing him touch his face with the pinky of the same hand in the same place.

This one is a non issue and to harp on it will reflect unfavorably upon those who do.

[KYWildcatFan]

Someone please confirm this --- I've gotten 10 emails just now telling me Obama is LEFT HANDED.

He made this gesture with his right hand.

If he was scratching his face, wouldn't he scratch with his left hand, as it would be an involuntary movement, made with his dominant hand?

He did this on purpose....there is a CBS video I can't get to embed that is a BETTER Angle....check it out at

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

Someone please get this on YouTube, the CBS raw footage....it is a CLEAR shot of the finger

I watched both videos. But in the one you have linked......well BO uses his pinky finger the first time he touches his face, but when he made the comment on how Hillary did at the debate he used his No No finger.

Some members of the board were asking to see if he had ever used the NO NO finger before and I think this shows it was intentional because he used his pinky finger first then when he mentioned Hillary he used the NO NO finger.

[hillary4change]

The ABC video that HillBuzz provided the link for shows it really well. The two white women behind his right shoulder one wearing pink and the other black caught it and commented on it. This is not what we need as Americans! I can't stand him. His mother is embarassed right now!!! Looking from where ever she is..I think she was an atheist or something.

[Charlie Brown]

Look at the ladies behind him they even caught it. the crowd caught it...its the finger no dought about it. It needs to be said.

[ginamc]

I've looked a few dozen of his videos so far and don't see anything even close to that gesture in them.

Others look through them too so we can attest to that fact. It was either an uncontrolled spasm or a flip off!!

And why would the crowd be cheering at just the mention of Hillary being in her element?

The media definitely has it -- I just saw the replay of Countdown and KO played it. No biggie. I'm flaburgasted.

[Charlie Brown]

well then I guess that is that as usual bo gets a pass. I swear Im thinking of going republican:eek:

[Soaring Eagle]

New politics huh? Are we in elementary school? People of America better wake up soon or we are all damned!

[ginamc]

Sorry I just dont see it at all, It was not the only time he touched his face. The crowd was cheering, at other seemingly random times. I"ve done this move as well, and usually while looking the person I wish to convey the message to. It is a phycological quirk, that if you examining something looking with the predisposition of of what you are to see then the mind can mind fashions your perceptions.

It is not unlike looking at clouds, util you set yourself to find the shapes of animals or objects within the cloud formations, otherwise they are just puffy clouds.

Had it not been suggested that he was flipping the bird, the action would never registered, especially after seeing him touch his face with the pinky of the same hand in the same place.

This one is a non issue and to harp on it will reflect unfavorably upon those who do.

What!!?? He definitely shot the finger deliberately. He was talking about Hillary and he snickered when he did. He did it because he KNOWS that he can get away with it. Why would it reflect badly on anyone else other than Barack Obama? I disagree with you.

[Soaring Eagle]

Sorry I just dont see it at all, It was not the only time he touched his face. The crowd was cheering, at other seemingly random times. I"ve done this move as well, and usually while looking the person I wish to convey the message to. It is a phycological quirk, that if you examining something looking with the predisposition of of what you are to see then the mind can mind fashions your perceptions.




Are you kidding? This is the real Obama showing himself! If he did it again and again, he probably thought about what he just done and figured he would make people think just what you are thinking by touching his face over and over! I haven't done something that childish since i was a little kid! He needs to grow up. Hard to fathom that this guy is running for the highest office!

[ZforHill]

This is the shot of the CBS video, for the people that are having trouble viewing it:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/ZeanS/obama/obamamiddlefinger.jpg

Some people argued that he used 2 fingers, but I dunno, I see only one.

[FlaDem]

If BO hadn't just said Hillary's name and scratched his cheek with his middle finger--it probably would not have mattered. But because of his timing it certainly appeared intentional. He did use other digits for other scratches. It could be interpreted either way. Although it is ambiguous enough for the MSM. It would be nice to just brush him of our collective shoulders though. He is rather annoying and obnoxious.

[Artists4Hillary]

Is that what he's going to do to the heads of state when they give him trouble? Congress? Now I know why his supporters are so childish and nasty. He leads the way.

[Christines]

You gave us the answer! I hope it is okay if I use your explanation!:)

[SantaCruzen]

If you are registered at Democrats.org, please comment on this:
http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/jodellbumatay/CWfX

Wow!

What gall. First, Mr. Obama wants the American Public to forget that he does not believe that anyone with experience in Foreign Affairs such as all the Intelligence Agents and Embassadors and Military Flagged Officers. No, he has sublime experience as a child in Indonesia and traveling to meet his family after his father's death and state that he knows about foreign affairs.

Next, he insults people left and right by referring to them as colored objects - black people, brown people, white people.

He takes credit for bring all those black people, brown people and white people together when our California Farm workers know that is not true.

He insults Filipino Americans by comparing his tour of these United States of America with the torturous war crimes Filipino men and women, Filiino American soldiers endured during and died or survived after the Bataan Death March, in WWII. My great grandparents were murdered. Really, Barack was like that for you on the road to nomination?

Really, Mr. Obama has lots of meanful gestures in his speech. Flipping his middle finger off while he is mocking Hillary Clinton is another demonstration that his man is not prepared to lead any multicultural group of real honest people who have integrity.

The first 45 minutes of the debate are real questions.
Now, I support Hillary Rodham Clinton for Commander in Chief because if I ever served this country again in the Armed Forces, it would be the first time I felt honored to serve a leader who cares and thinks about real people who care and think that there is a larger picture than being the one who is at the top, or makes the highest score on a test, or first to accomplish some task or acheive a goal. America is not about being the only Number One: America is about being the We the People in order to Form a More Perfect Union.

Take back the Finger Barack. Get back to being the Best You Can Be. I know You Can.

[leahchamblee]

I don't even know what to say! What the heck was that? And they cheered when he did it!

It was pretty crass, gutter, and about what he really is all about. Hillary did not deserve that , he is a worse loser than a bowler.

[Artists4Hillary]

Here is a longer version of that speech:

YouTube - Barack Obama in Raleigh, NC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR9DNfqGD4)

In this, he touches his face three times: the first time with his pinky, the second time in reference to Hillary, with his middle finger. The last time with his index finger.

I also looked at some other speeches of his on YouTube and couldn't find any in which he touches his face.

He's complaining about the debate now? Essentially saying it was ridiculous. Ok, Obama, it took 45 min to get to the issues, but you FAILED on every one of the issues too. Gotcha.

He can't even be gracious to Hillary. If he could, he wouldn't be whining about the debate. I couldn't stomach listening to the whole thing. He is reprehensible.

[SantaCruzen]

Even Obama has a blog on democrats.org We can post our opinions there if w can get a few people together. Otrauma has really insulted her the last time. He is crass, crude, rude and not ready for anything off the elementary school playground. Didn't his TWP grandparents teach him manners. We all know Rev. "Goddamn America" didn't.

[Musicdude]

We used to do that in the classroom to each other, in high school.
Never thought I'd see in a Presidential campaign. :rolleyes:
I think he's bating Hillary and her campaign to make an accusation.

I'm anxious to see if the MSM picks it up. It doesn't even matter what they
say about it, just show it. It speaks for itself. He didn't correct the audiences
reaction, so he can't exactly plead innocent and still be believable.

Some of us predicted he'd have a meltdown, but I didn't know it would start to show this soon. Good for us. :D

[Mrsawd]

I thought this man was suppose to be a Christain ! Is that how he is going to run our Country ? every one should send this to the media !




That just prove this man is trash !

[Santiago]

Sorry I just dont see it at all, It was not the only time he touched his face. The crowd was cheering, at other seemingly random times. I"ve done this move as well, and usually while looking the person I wish to convey the message to. It is a phycological quirk, that if you examining something looking with the predisposition of of what you are to see then the mind can mind fashions your perceptions.

It is not unlike looking at clouds, util you set yourself to find the shapes of animals or objects within the cloud formations, otherwise they are just puffy clouds.

Had it not been suggested that he was flipping the bird, the action would never registered, especially after seeing him touch his face with the pinky of the same hand in the same place.

This one is a non issue and to harp on it will reflect unfavorably upon those who do.

I just showed my 74yo mom and my Sis-In-Law, 53, the Video I downloaded. I did so with NO comment, only said check out this speech. MY MOM said, "I think he just gave her the finger! My In-law said, by "God, he did! What scum! " This was unsolicited. But you make some great points!

[Christines]

I want to thank Santiago for the explanation. It makes sense to me. I have seen kids in school with similar behavior! I showed the video to my husband and he saw it right away! Obama knew what he was doing and if you don't believe it you are naive!! But he is so arrogant that he thinks he can explain it away and make excuses!! It is just another hostile immature gesture on his part! Another negative check on his character! This is so vile that I can't understand how anyone can vote for a man like that!

[CGP]

No Quarter is running with this story:

"Obama stands accused of conduct unbecoming a presidential candidate"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/17/obama-stands-accused-of-conduct-unbecoming-a-presidential-candidate/

And the Baltimore Sun with this:

"Obama fingers a 'gotcha' debate"

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html

[lakerchick4life]

Obama did MUCH more then give Hillary the finger..on my local network here, they showed more of Obama's speech in North Carolina where he takes his hand and goes to his chin and moves his arm out..ya know, the F U gesture..so yeah there is NO doubt what he meant..so not only is Obama a liar, a hypocrite, a bigot and a racist..but he is also a thug..who in their right mind does that..I hope the media gets into this because it makes him look like a total punk

[CGP]

His narcissistic personality is really shining through with this one. He feels enraged after last night's debate and this is the result - he can't contain himself - his sense of entitlement (to no scrutiny) was challenged last night and he is not happy.

[samkm]

The true Obama emerges.

There were small hints even in the first debate when he casually used the word "screwed" in the middle of the debate.

Now, it is clearly the finger.. noticeably so... and directed at Hillary and the debate that he failed so miserably.

Sour grapes! But Gripe never works. We now knows his head has gone stale and is rotting with bad thoughts.

OR....May be he is trying desperately to keep his constituency! :D Go figure!:D But even they are figuring out that he is all talk and finger job.. and even they are smart enough to see through and find the empty suit and a hope-chest full of shady characters starting with Rezko, Wright and now Auchi, and more names just around the bend....

I will say to them, that Hillary treats ALL PEOPLE WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY; it is a 35 year record. See the links below.

[Lucky]

Wow. Obama is the most offensive and immature candidate I have ever seen or heard in my lifetime, and I am no spring chicken.

[Phoenix]

I'm beginning to question his desire to be President.
That's just self destructive behavior.

[HillBuzzBlogspotCom]

Can we all show this video to people who are not as in the middle of these things as all of us posters are. For instance, I sent the video out to my lists and actually got some surprisingly nasty comments for forwarding it on.

I run into a weird thing with my lists of supporters -- I have about 300 people who get my emails. They want me to be 100% cheerleader and say very positive and uplifting things -- I get slack for every criticizing Obama.

Some of the people who don't want me to ever criticize shot back at me and said I was imagining things here, because there is "no way" he would do that in front of cameras. So, they say I am wrong to see this, and were upset with me for forwarding the videos.

So - I'm tired and rambling a little -- but is there any truth in this? ARE we just seeing what we want to see? My mind goes to that "face on Mars" some people think is a sphinx head up there, but NASA says is just a rock. I see the sphinx in that photo, but know it is a rock. I don't believe it is a sphinx.

When I see this video, I CLEARLY see him slipping the finger, and admit I did that a few times at age 12 (until my father threatened he'd break it off the next time I did it). I also see my very spoiled nephew do that. I've seen kids do it on TV too --- like those nanny 911 shows.

Does anyone have any non-political, non-involved friends who do not feel one way or another about Hillary or Obama to show this to?

Can we show this to Republicans and get their reaction?

[Charlie Brown]

His narcissistic personality is really shining through with this one. He feels enraged after last night's debate and this is the result - he can't contain himself - his sense of entitlement (to no scrutiny) was challenged last night and he is not happy.

Yep murray you had him pegged from day one. Punk is right! He must be stopped. so glad someone is running the story.

[no_more_bush]

This is the shot of the CBS video, for the people that are having trouble viewing it:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/ZeanS/obama/obamamiddlefinger.jpg

Some people argued that he used 2 fingers, but I dunno, I see only one.

Wow he did only use his middle finger, it appeared to be two in the video, someone should make a video with the footage and the photo. The only thing I don't get is, would Obama really be so stupid to subtly flick off his opponent during a recorded speech?

[Musicdude]

People will see it different ways. Those unfamiliar with such action may not "see" anything conclusive.

It is not just what he does with the finger, it is the pause, and the audience reaction. The way he did it, is the perfect way to do it if he was doing it intentionally. But not everyone will know that. It's not indisputably conclusive.
There is enough there to raise the question though.
But I would not circulate it to anyone but the media, and let them haggle over it.

And if anyone claims that it does NOT deserve scrutiny, then ask them to do it to their boss and see what happens. lol

Obama plays the victim-card often. That's why I say he's bating.

[DrLisa]

It is such an obvious move by him....he is hate driven, and he uses unity to cover up and he uses dont' aske me questions because it is politics of old to keep people from doing it.

[mjno7777]

I forgot who it the "nail on the head" but OBAMA is a Narcissistic Personality, and the narcissistic rage cannot be controlled.

[Talves1950]

He's so smug and so arrogant. I wish I could go to one of his rallies and give him hell.

[Peppermint Patty]

Honestly, I guess I am somewhat naive because it was so subtle I wouldn't have gotten this if you hadn't told me. That said, once I watched it over and over it seemed weird that he pauses after saying Hillary's name and something about being in her element.... then scratches his face and they cheer. Now I KNOW they are not cheering her name, so what else could it be? So guess you guys are right.

If he is indeed flipping her off, well, what can I say? What an a**hole! :eek:

[ZforHill]

This won't change the minds of the Obama-fanatics, but this is the kind of stuff that changes the minds of undecideds. Candidates displaying characteristics that aren't presidential.

I do believe this needs to be viraled everywhere, but not with long winded comments on this Middlefinger-Gate incident, but rather to bolster your previous arguments of why he isnt' suitable to be president. Stick to talking points, stick to Wright, and Bittergate comments.

Hillary's community on the internet is small, and if enough people see this, smaller local stations may carry this story. That's where we can hit Obama, because this video speaks for itself.

[leahchamblee]

I forgot who it the "nail on the head" but OBAMA is a Narcissistic Personality, and the narcissistic rage cannot be controlled.

He is passive aggressive, the comments he uses are his way of getting back at people he is pissed off at without dealing with it directly.

I generally think of him as Narcissistic Passive Aggressive and the last bit changes, lately I'm just tired of him, I'm tired of having a choice and having it called racism, I'm tired of being called a racist, I'm tired of having my roots disparaged by someone who has had a privileged life.
But if that ego bubble is ever punctured he will be worse than bush in his rage against America

[CGP]

Wow he did only use his middle finger, it appeared to be two in the video, someone should make a video with the footage and the photo. The only thing I don't get is, would Obama really be so stupid to subtly flick off his opponent during a recorded speech?

That's the thing about people who are extremely narcissistic - they eventually slip up. The sense of entitlement gets the better of them and they go one step too far, thinking they will get away with this one as well. But then the luck runs out.

[ZY123]

He is passive aggressive, the comments he uses are his way of getting back at people he is pissed off at without dealing with it directly.

Passive aggressive is his MO. And when he's not being passive aggressive he gets his "surrogates" to do something without his "knowledge"...ridiculous.

[october2]

There's a story on the LA Times blog on this too.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflipsoffcl.html?cid=111181602#comments

And, naturally, a lot of Obama supporters are calling for the journalist's blood for daring to post it. :rolleyes:

[ZforHill]

There's a story on the LA Times blog on this too.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflipsoffcl.html?cid=111181602#comments

And, naturally, a lot of Obama supporters are calling for the journalist's blood for daring to post it. :rolleyes:

Of course, they're like ants. If you see 1, you know there's like thousands more nearby. I posted my own comment there, pointing to the cbs video.

[foreigner4hillary]

Oh...it's definitely intentional! Look at how the crowd responded. But I don't think Hillary will touch it and she shouldn't.

Neither should we...it's childish and immature. I'll bet he turned off alot of people there.

[Wales for Hillary]

Can we all show this video to people who are not as in the middle of these things as all of us posters are. For instance, I sent the video out to my lists and actually got some surprisingly nasty comments for forwarding it on.

I run into a weird thing with my lists of supporters -- I have about 300 people who get my emails. They want me to be 100% cheerleader and say very positive and uplifting things -- I get slack for every criticizing Obama.

Some of the people who don't want me to ever criticize shot back at me and said I was imagining things here, because there is "no way" he would do that in front of cameras. So, they say I am wrong to see this, and were upset with me for forwarding the videos.

So - I'm tired and rambling a little -- but is there any truth in this? ARE we just seeing what we want to see? My mind goes to that "face on Mars" some people think is a sphinx head up there, but NASA says is just a rock. I see the sphinx in that photo, but know it is a rock. I don't believe it is a sphinx.

When I see this video, I CLEARLY see him slipping the finger, and admit I did that a few times at age 12 (until my father threatened he'd break it off the next time I did it). I also see my very spoiled nephew do that. I've seen kids do it on TV too --- like those nanny 911 shows.

Does anyone have any non-political, non-involved friends who do not feel one way or another about Hillary or Obama to show this to?

Can we show this to Republicans and get their reaction?

Guys it doesn't matter what reaction you get,lets get this out. Hill buzz you rock BTW.

Ive been telling people to listen and watch the audience and they can make up their own mind. If they wanna see it they do, if not they won't. So far I havent had many negative reactions. This is a story though so get it out there PLEASE people.

[Suzan]

He's playing to his juvenile audience. Remember, BO has never had any competition that he couldn't dispose of through chicanery. The gloves are off, the mask has slipped and the real Barack Obama just entered the arena. Last night he found out that Hillary is "the force" to reckon with. He may have played them in Chicago, but Hillary is on to him. GO HILLARY!!!
That was my thought, too. He's giving the kids what they want, but it's so petty and childish and it shows his appalling immaturity.

And this is the real problem. Everybody praises him for bringing all these young people, these new voters, into the arena, for inspiring them and giving them hope and getting them involved, and this is what he does? This is the behavior he role models for them? Giving his female opponent the finger because she outdid him in a debate? It's hateful and disrespectful and exactly the opposite of what he should be doing. He's showing them how to be sore losers, bad sports and contemptuous human beings.

It's no wonder they run riot online with their bullying, threatening behavior. That's the reason this should go to the press. His supporters are out of control and he's encouraging them. Good God. He doesn't have the maturity to run for dog catcher.

[SunnyInCal]

Obama seems to be quite comfortable putting people down, belittling them, making fun of them, etc.

Another HUGE character flaw but unfortunately we have a very large number of mean spirited young people and voters who think that behavior is just fine!

From the mean street....

Watching that video was like watching the video of the girls fighting that has now lead to 6 teenagers being tried as adults. For some it may be an extreme example, but my point is the pack menality. We may do things in a pack that we wouldn't ordinarily do. He played the audience and the audience played him. If he got no reaction then I think he would have calmed down, but he started playing it up the more they responded, like a continuous loop of playing off each other.

[CGP]

The Obamabots are literally have breakdowns over this story. Seriously losing it! :eek:

[CGP]

Watching that video was like watching the video of the girls fighting that has now lead to 6 teenagers being tried as adults. For some it may be an extreme example, but my point is the pack menality. We may do things in a pack that we wouldn't ordinarily do. He played the audience and the audience played him. If he got no reaction then I think he would have calmed down, but he started playing it up the more they responded, like a continuous loop of playing off each other.

And he INCITES his followers and that's what I find MOST DISTURBING. They feel INSPIRED to spread their HATRED on the Internet. Very, very, very troublesome...

[CGP]

It's no wonder they run riot online with their bullying, threatening behavior. That's the reason this should go to the press. His supporters are out of control and he's encouraging them. Good God. He doesn't have the maturity to run for dog catcher.

Completely OUT OF CONTROL. Add in the death threats various people have received (black SD, Tavis Smiley, the huff post journalist...) and it's VERY SERIOUS. And Obama's response to this HATE BEHAVIOR by his supporters? Nothing. Dispicable.

[cowymom]

someone out there has to see this video. email N.O.W, foxnews, lou dobbs. this is clearly and insult to hillary and the women and barack and the media have taken this too far. this is truely insane

[SunnyInCal]

I went to the LA times blog about this. One person claims it's his forefinger so they can't even see him using his middle finger. Many claim he isn't stuipd enough to do that while tape is running. But he was stupid enough to make the bitter cling remarks when he didn't think he was being taped. Then the worst are saying so what, he should give her the finger.. that is the type of supporter he has.. good.. so they can't even agree that he did it.. some say yes he did, they concede it, but they say great, they'd do it too.. others deny it.. even his supporters are mixed up and can't agree on a story.. how is his campaign supposed to "context" this?

[SunnyInCal]

I clicked on a link somewhere and it took me here.. i just about laughed out loud... i have no clue who bush was doing this too but apparently it is okay for presidents to give the middle finger so it might be just okay for candidates to do it too

http://www.sodahead.com/question/76239/

scroll down a bit and there's bush, giving the finger.. what is going on with these MEN.. sorry male hillary supporters

[Wales for Hillary]

someone out there has to see this video. email N.O.W, foxnews, lou dobbs. this is clearly and insult to hillary and the women and barack and the media have taken this too far. this is truely insane

Cowys right. Ive been posting it on Fox and most see it for what it is. The important thing is that we can break this into the MSM so that regular people can make up their mind. If they see it great, if not...oh well. But if you watch the crowds reaction and listen its pretty evident.

Work the MSM on this one guys. Someone help me with CNN.

Ive been sending this and asking them if they are going to let FOX news beat them to this story like they did with Bill Ayers

[mooaks]

I just watched the LA time blog on this subject, Do you really think that you will be doing Hillary a service by acting on this. If you are going to do things that will affect her campaign in a negative way clear it with her HQ first. I'm sorry, but check out the responses in the LA Times to this claim of his giving Hillary the finger. You know that if it comes from this forum, Hillary or the Clinton campaign will take the heat for it and just may turn off a heck of a lot of voters, because try as they might, it looks as though he was just scratching his face. You know that I am not an Obama supporter. I just want to make sure that my vote for Hillary will not be for naught. I am not ready to hang a person because he scratched an itch during a campaign gathering with I don' t care which finger. You push this stuff and you can almost guarantee him a nomination. Take the high ground and forget this.

[CGP]

I just watched the LA time blog on this subject, Do you really think that you will be doing Hillary a service by acting on this. If you are going to do things that will affect her campaign in a negative way clear it with her HQ first. I'm sorry, but check out the responses in the LA Times to this claim of his giving Hillary the finger. You know that if it comes from this forum, Hillary or the Clinton campaign will take the heat for it and just may turn off a heck of a lot of voters, because try as they might, it looks as though he was just scratching his face. You know that I am not an Obama supporter. I just want to make sure that my vote for Hillary will not be for naught. I am not ready to hang a person because he scratched an itch during a campaign gathering with I don' t care which finger. You push this stuff and you can almost guarantee him a nomination. Take the high ground and forget this.

1. It didn't come from this forum...various other sources are reporting this story...

2. This forum is hardly going to make/break the Hillary campaign in any direction either positive or negative...we need not overestimate our significance.

3. Of course Obama supporters will say what you are reading because they want to SILENCE everyone who criticizes Obama. Please don't fall for their cons and lies.

[ZY123]

I'm sorry, but check out the responses in the LA Times to this claim of his giving Hillary the finger.


Please please please do not be fooled by polls or blogs. I can tell you without a doubt (my experience is in computers/programming) there are auto voters and hired bloggers (if not computerized)...it's just the way it is. The polls are rigged rigged rigged - period. Even if the poll doesn't allow multiple votes there's a way around it. It's also the nature of Obama's supporters - they are the computer generation and very good at manipulating the internet. I could do it too but refuse to sink to that level.

ETA: The younger voters definitely know he was giving the finger....it's just a matter of whether or not others will see it.

[SunnyInCal]

1. It didn't come from this forum...various other sources are reporting this story...

2. This forum is hardly going to make/break the Hillary campaign in any direction either positive or negative...we need not overestimate our significance.

3. Of course Obama supporters will say what you are reading because they want to SILENCE everyone who criticizes Obama. Please don't fall for their cons and lies.

Uh, Murray? I'd like to think we at this forum are helping to get Hillary elected :) I think we have great significance :)

But I too agree that it's out there everywhere and I doubt it can be traced back to Hillary's campaign. I've seen video from a few different sources now. I doubt a Hillary staffer called all around to ask them to look at the footage.. though someone somewhere must have.

The bigger point, beyond the finger, is the audience reaction, both on the video and on the blogs. I think it's outrageous the hooting response the "finger" got, whether it was intentional or not, he certainly did pause and he didn't pause when he scratched the other two times. And the blogs, his supporters can't decide if they saw it or not and if they did they say they agree he should have and they will too... I think that speaks to his supporters and maybe in the end that is what needs to be addressed more by his campaign.

Deny the finger, you can't deny the response.

[cowymom]

this is really amazing. I'm getting more and more pissed each time i see that video. i understand why he's getting away with it. the media has been getting away with it for more than a year so barry can get away with it to. I'm beginning to consider McCain

[Santiago]

I just watched the LA time blog on this subject, Do you really think that you will be doing Hillary a service by acting on this. If you are going to do things that will affect her campaign in a negative way clear it with her HQ first. I'm sorry, but check out the responses in the LA Times to this claim of his giving Hillary the finger. You know that if it comes from this forum, Hillary or the Clinton campaign will take the heat for it and just may turn off a heck of a lot of voters, because try as they might, it looks as though he was just scratching his face. You know that I am not an Obama supporter. I just want to make sure that my vote for Hillary will not be for naught. I am not ready to hang a person because he scratched an itch during a campaign gathering with I don' t care which finger. You push this stuff and you can almost guarantee him a nomination. Take the high ground and forget this.

Everyone is watching the smaller versions posted on the web. I pulled the hi-res video from the CBS site and, I am convinced that was a covert, street, intentional action.

Watch his hands give a little swirl just before the "scratch" It is very deliberate.

There are two women in the back row sitting next to each other, one can see see the motion, the other can't. The one who can see the motion has an immediate reaction, to which the other woman asks her, I presume, why are you reacting. She leans over and tells something to the other woman, who then joins her in her reactions.

The first woman had a clear angle of the motion from behind.

I agree. we need more video angles and first person accounts to really make it stick. But we have what we have and should work towards vetting this ASAP. Also, please remember, we are an independent forum. Any contact with Hills campaign would be counter productive a give opponents the ability to say, "Hillary did it."

[Wales for Hillary]

Please help get this out in time for the morning shows. Ive been hitting FOX news very hard help me with CNN....it takes a while because its individual but this is what Im saying...THIS NEEDS TO BE THE TALKINGPOINT OVER THE WEEKEND....use the cut and paste if you like.....I havent hit ABC or MSNBC(whats the point) and we need to get this into circulation in PA aswell
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CNN....Im giving this to you first because I am interested to see if you are willing to let FOX news beat you to a story like they did with Bill Ayers. Are you really going to let this man get this cocky because he knows you will not report his unpresidential behavior. Now you can look at this and write whatever script you want about it but truthfully you, I, and (judging by the reaction of the audience-disgusting I might add) they all know whats really going on in this video.

(link)

Now Im happy for you that you all have found a man to oooh and aaah over, but at some point this needs to be stopped and no matter how much Axelrod is paying you, you need to realize that your actions are pushing THIS MAN into the White House. Do the responsible American thing and report this. You don't even have to comment on it, just let people make thier mind up for themselves what happened here. Before you know it this man is president, and we will all be paying for our ignorance. I can't have that....can you???

[Mrsawd]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html

[cowymom]

[QUOTE=Wales for Hillary;57168]Please help get this out in time for the morning shows. Ive been hitting FOX news very hard help me with CNN....it takes a while because its individual but this is what Im saying...THIS NEEDS TO BE THE TALKINGPOINT OVER THE WEEKEND....use the cut and paste if you like.....I havent hit ABC or MSNBC(whats the point) and we need to get this into circulation in PA aswell
----------------------------------------------------------------

i'd given up on CNN long time ago. i'd rather walk door to door and pass out fliers than sending an email to CNN. they've been bought by soros who is an obama supporter

[Wales for Hillary]

WOW look at them flood into the site......theyre so scared

The wheels on the bus are falling off, falling off, falling off
The wheels on the bus are falling off, UHHHH-BAAAA-MAAAAA

[Santiago]

Amazing how our online count is spiking!

[cowymom]

Its the bots they got a wind of what we're doing.....I pulled my rant

Find the link to us....Im bettting DU

wales, can i please have the link to the obama finger video so i can email it?

[Horizon]

So my daughter and I watched this and then decided to try and scratch our faces with our middle fingers. You have to really make an effort to do this! It felt VERY unnatural. I know,we're dorks,but I was very curious as I cannot recall ever seeing anyone scratch their face like that.I've worked in the food service industry most of my life and you see people do some pretty strange things.The only time I've seen this gesture is when it's used instead of flat out flipping someone off.I hope this gets around.How juvenile and tacky.Yeah,he's who I want in charge of the button!:eek:

[ZY123]

Its the bots they got a wind of what we're doing.....I pulled my rant

Find the link to us....Im bettting DU

Can you PM me your rant? TY!

[Jayling]

Settle down, folks. This normally happens late at night. Murray has posted about it before. It's the internet spider-bots, which crawl the internet for search engines.

:)

[SunnyInCal]

I was just at one of many blogs and someone posted a link to a CBS video.. now when you go to the site there is no title saying anything like obama giving clinton finger.. in fact it's called "Obama brushes off clinton bags" but it's his speech in NC

Now when you watch the video there are two white women behind him... when Obama gives the "finger" the women on the left, one of them sees it and gives this huge "oh" with her mouth and then says a few words to her other white female friend.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

The finger is at about the 40th second.. watch the two white women in the far left. There must be a tvscreen they are watching since they are behind him. So it's not just the "black" audience.. it's white women.. then a few seconds later they laugh some more, but of course there is no way to know for sure they are laughing at what he did, but timing is everything..

who are these people that think that is okay from a presidential candidate..

[Wales for Hillary]

YouTube - Obama MiddlefingerGate

maybe this will show it better for you

[mooaks]

1. It didn't come from this forum...various other sources are reporting this story...

2. This forum is hardly going to make/break the Hillary campaign in any direction either positive or negative...we need not overestimate our significance.

3. Of course Obama supporters will say what you are reading because they want to SILENCE everyone who criticizes Obama. Please don't fall for their cons and lies.

Of course this forum helps in shaping the conversation, you do a great job with it Murray. You surely must feel that you can be significant or you and many others would not have participated in the ralley against bias media in New York, and a great one it was. I really enjoyed the signs, and listening to the interviews. Is there any way you could place names over some of the obvious sign holders. It would be fun for all of us to place the face with the name.

I'm sorry, I just felt that we were acting like a lynch mob over a deniable gesture. I do understand that that type of thing has been used on the sly in this manner, and was told so by my son while he was in high school. Maybe I am worried that it might bring more super delegates to Obama. Maybe not.
Right at the moment I guess you could say that I am a worry wart. Want the Penn. election to get over with with at least a 10 point victory for Hillary, so I guess I am afraid someone is going to rock the boat and turn people off, when the debate itself should be able to send a positive message to the undecided voters.

Any way thanks for giving me a good explanation about the way Obamas fan club is trying to control the blogesphere.

[Wales for Hillary]

Oh no....this aint dropping out

Just got an email back from Penn U student paper......they agree its disgraceful and are considering an article

Axelrod will be all over them

[samkm]

I hope some well raised kids and young adults can see this disrespectful hussy for what he really is: a HUSSLER.

[foreigner4hillary]

I reckon the people supporting Obama has this holier than thou attitude.

[lea210]

And Obama nor his supporters can blame this on Hillary. It was his finger, in his stump, broadcasted by non-Hillary media. So Hillary can't suffer any ramifications for something Barack did.

Of course the Obama supporters are saying "Hillary's next smear tactic"...None of this has to do with Her, well except she is the one receiving the gesture.

[Wales for Hillary]

OMG you will not believe this.....HE DID IT TWICE

I was confused because I have seen 5 different videos and the people behind him are not the same...its because in two different speeches at the exact same point he did the same thing

OMG...this man is a joke

heres his second speech of the day

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_vi...ml?id=4025010n

[Jayling]

That link didn't work for me, Wales. Here's the one from your other post:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

[Santiago]

I think they may be the same speech from different angles.

[Jayling]

I think they may be the same speech from different angles.
aye, think you're right :)

[Santiago]

We need someone can read lips to see what the woman in back said to the other.

[Brooke]

Funny. I thought he'd spent the debate talking about getting past the politics of personal destruction and he talks like this the following day. And people don't see this hypocrite for what he is??

[swannyj]

This needs to be captioned with " Obama's message to HRC supporters"
Then in the body, " If it becomes necessary HRC supporters will reply in November".

Perhaps if it is entitled as above, someone from the media will open it. It also needs to be sent to all HRC cites. I would do it but I have dial up so don't really know how to do all the video stuff.

[HillaryForPrez]

Obama Stands Accused of Conduct Unbecoming a Presidential Candidate [Updates: Chicago Tribune, more MSM] »
By SusanUnPCcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
about: See Authors Posts (800) on April 17, 2008 at 9:03 PM in ABC News, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pennsylvania, Philadelphia | 281 Comments

http://i28.tinypic.com/2f0ccag.jpg (http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/SusanUnPC/?action=view&current=obamaflip2.jpg)

I cannot believe that the official campaign for Barack Obama put this video on YouTube to show off the candidate. 1) His language and behavior on this video are juvenile, and 2) He flips off Hillary Clinton in the video.

I cannot recall hearing such whining in my life from the mouth of a major candidate. This man is incapable of withstanding criticism or handling difficult questions. He is not only defensive and inept in his excuses, but he is also petulant — and then he delivers “below the belt” attacks on Hillary Clinton, while condemning such tactics. Which is it, Barack? Are you for or against attack tactics? Or does it only work one way? And is that because YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH, mister (to quote Jack Nicholson, a Hillary Clinton supporter).

READ MORE
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

[Bella]

Please everyone Digg this story (I submitted it) and help spread it around what a pig snObama is. Send him back to the southside of Chicago where he belongs.

[Charlie Brown]

I was just at one of many blogs and someone posted a link to a CBS video.. now when you go to the site there is no title saying anything like obama giving clinton finger.. in fact it's called "Obama brushes off clinton bags" but it's his speech in NC

Now when you watch the video there are two white women behind him... when Obama gives the "finger" the women on the left, one of them sees it and gives this huge "oh" with her mouth and then says a few words to her other white female friend.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

The finger is at about the 40th second.. watch the two white women in the far left. There must be a tvscreen they are watching since they are behind him. So it's not just the "black" audience.. it's white women.. then a few seconds later they laugh some more, but of course there is no way to know for sure they are laughing at what he did, but timing is everything..

who are these people that think that is okay from a presidential candidate..

I saw that the women look petty and small If they put this on TV I bet they will be shamed...How discusting...something is wrong in this country that we resort to this...I cant imagine any mother condoning it.

[Ohio mom]

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-gave-clinton-finger-at-campaign.html#links

We are just speechless here.

This man is running for president -- the ultimate role model.

And he does this childish bit in front of kids, no less, in Raleigh today. He's upset he lost the debate, and he's lashing out.

But, to do this "pretend to touch face" and flip the bird thing, it's just embarrassing for him.

Misogynist much?

YouTube - Obama Gives Hillary The Finger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No)

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-gave-clinton-finger-at-campaign.html#links

I am not able to listen to the video can someone tell me what was being said to lead up to the bird???

[JMS825]

I am not able to listen to the video can someone tell me what was being said to lead up to the bird???

Just before flicking her off all he said was As for Hillary

[xfiles]

He was referring to the ABC debate and saying something like....Hillary was in her element.....when he made the disgusting gesture.

I am not able to listen to the video can someone tell me what was being said to lead up to the bird???

[Charlie Brown]

That link didn't work for me, Wales. Here's the one from your other post:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

This is the best one and clearly shows the peoples reaction and they caught what he was doing.

[JMS825]

This is the best one and clearly shows the peoples reaction and they caught what he was doing.

They knew he flicked her off a few women even giggled about it

[joeysky18]

Ok, I slept on this issue last night. And I found my conclusion.

I'm making this comment from a point of view of someone who is living in a foreign country.

Granted that Obama's finger was unintentional, it will create a nuke bomb if he did this while making speech "in the same context" referring to a foreign leader.

Imagine he's making speech referring to Sarkozy the French Prime Minister, Merkel the German Chancellor, or Hu Jintao the Chinese President, and scratch his face with his middle finger. There will be an uproar in those countries, and they won't take excuse from Obama supporters swamping the blog.

His conduct is unpresidential. He is not ready for prime time. DNC backs a wrong horse. And it turns out to be a huge embarrassment.

[Charlie Brown]

Ok, I slept on this issue last night. And I found my conclusion.

I'm making this comment from a point of view of someone who is living in a foreign country.

Granted that Obama's finger was unintentional, it will create a nuke bomb if he did this while making speech "in the same context" referring to a foreign leader.

Imagine he's making speech referring to Sarkozy the French Prime Minister, Merkel the German Chancellor, or Hu Jintao the Chinese President, and scratch his face with his middle finger. There will be an uproar in those countries, and they won't take excuse from Obama supporters swamping the blog.

His conduct is unpresidential. He is not ready for prime time. DNC backs a wrong horse. And it turns out to be a huge embarrassment.
I think this is the smoking gun and IM MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!someone how do we spread links some of us dont know we need a lesson here. many would do it but arent computer savy...Help us learn.

[MaryKay]

A lot of you know I'm a former Obama supporter, so this type of thing makes me really ill. I did send this off to ABC this morning.

***********************************************:co ol:

Mr. Newman and Mr. Salinger,

I voted for Senator Obama in Florida and have since become a bit disillusioned with him in light of his attitudes toward seating Florida and Michigan. That's a whole other email. After many months of deliberate independent research on the candidates, I now agree with Mike Huckabee that Senator Clinton is the stronger of the two. I didn't get my information from the main stream media.

Over the last few months, the debates have been slanted in Senator Obama's favor, and so has the media coverage. ABC is the only network out there willing to maintain journalistic integrity and bring out positives and negatives of both candidates, so that voters can make an informed decision. Yes, this is an unusually long primary by today's standards, but as a child, I remember drawn out primary seasons, convention fights and the like, and it all makes democracy stronger no matter who wins.

I know you've received numerous (to say the least) insults from hard-core Obama supporters after this week's debate. I honestly think it was the most balanced to date. Senator Clinton didn't get a free ride. She was asked about Bosnia. One point that Obama supporters are brining up is that the flag pin question was lame. I disagree. I think it goes to a larger issue: Does Senator Obama have the constitution to defend the Constitution of the United States?

Many hard-core Obama supporters are wealthy progressives and/or very young people. Now, I applaud him for bringing these folks into the fold, but as someone who might be considered an elitist liberal myself (I'm 45, I hold a master's degree, I have a two careers, no kids, and a $5,000 wine collection), I think it's easy to get sucked into Obama's charismatic spin without ever looking to see if he's ready and able to do the job. I sure did.

Truth is, while these groups may be more "educated" than the working-class people who reside in Ohio or PA, the elite don't really have to contend with the problems of the economy on the same scale, and the young people -- while having more formal education than their grandparents in many cases - lack the basic knowledge of history and civics. It's just not stressed in the schools these days and I don't think many of Obama's supporters "get" that flag pin question. It would be great to have pundits discuss the true meaning behind the question, with a reminder to the youth (and the cynical elite) how the president must swear to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution." While this pin is simply a "symbol," Senator Obama needs to show Americans that he truly loves this country more than his own political aspirations. The fact that he's willing to disenfranchise voters to win doesn't show that. His wife's comments certainly don't show it. His choice of church and pastor (and other friends) raises legitimate questions.

Bottom line... There are no set qualifications to become President in most Americans minds, other than a great love for what this country stands for and for what our founding fathers intended the country to be. We must keep that mind-set even when we disagree with our leaders, otherwise, we risk losing the very freedoms and principles that so many died for in our past.

As a side note, is Senator Obama trying to lose, or is he just trying to see how far he can "push the envelope?" This is going around on U Tube today. Since when has it become politically correct for a candidate to even subtlety shoot the bird at another? YouTube - Obama Gives Hillary The Finger

I am sure fifty people have sent that U Tube link to you now. I don't think he was just scratching his face there. At least the crowd sitting there didn't seem to think so. Amazing.

Anyway, thank you for the professional and impartial media coverage. Our set will be tuned to ABC during sweeps week.

[swannyj]

great letter

[JMS825]

Anyone ever think maybe he didnt do the finger conciously and it was just subconciously. maybe we are making too big of an issue and we are jumping to conclusions as they did when Bill would talk and they would cry racism. Arent we above that BS?

[emmyCA]

If you pay a little bit attention to Obama's guesture, especially when he pause to use his hand to touch his hair and ear when he talks, it is where he is thinking of a way how to polish his words by lying and avoiding to answer to issue or change the topic. When he is in debate with hard question, it is where he reveals a true of him that is angry (I guess not as less as McCain's anger), political , rude, full of lie and emptiness. I don't understand why ppl who support him don't see this. I think sonner or later, we will see buyer remorse not only from his supporter but the DNC too.

[Bacio83]

I've shown the video to my entire family, just saying watch this and tell me what you think, no preamble. Because IMO I'm not sure what to make out of it, although I think the audience took something from it. And to put my devil's advocate hat on, people outside of the US do use thier middle finger for the oddest stuff. The Japanese point with their middle finger, as do some other cultures. So there's so many excuses that could be dug up.

Personally I've used the scratching the eye with the middle finger plenty of times never the cheek that's new.

[Amy Nelson]

Can someone send this to Hannity & Colmes, that show seems to be after OB lately. I would do it, but I'm not at all computer savvy enough. This needs to be seen!!!!

[Ijane]

We're in trouble! Barack Obama is a very scary man. I know he was giving Hillary the finger and whether or not it's a deniable action doesn't change the fact that Obama is nothing short of a schoolyard bully.

When Hillary talks at her campaign rallies about the stupid things Obama says, she talks straight and her audiences react with applause. When Obama does the same, he degrades the person he's going after and provokes laughter and jeers at his victim's expense. This is unacceptable behavior. This man is NOT a role model for compassion, responsibility or peace activism. He is not a role model for our country and especially not one for our children. His goal isn't to lead America. His goal is simply to be the first black president of America. I don't doubt that Obama is causing many African Americans to have a sinking feeling over the idea of him representing and being a role model for their race. He's sealing preconceived stereotypical views of the African American community and creating them in the minds of people where they don't already exist. His campaign has been fueled by bully tactics and gang mentality. He thumbs his nose at his education with his constant use of slang and his wife's language skills are even worse! This is a nightmare on so many levels.

[Musicdude]

If Bill sees that video, he could go ballistic. I hope he doesn't say anything. :eek:

[mcgowan.swan]

i live upstate, but new york city bleeds up to here, and new york and chicago are so similar when it gets to street lingo. that was a blatant flip off and intentional. the untentional move would have been to use both of the first two fingers to brush. it is hard to move those fingers independently unless it is intentional and you will notice his first finger is intentionally down. try it and see. that was the flip off on the down low for sure. send it everywhere, but dont caption it. send the down low explanation and a what do you think message. then it will be up to the media to jump on it or not . point out the crowd reaction too. that puts both views above to good use. he is so childish that canada is looking good if he actually manages to win this. only problem is that leadership of the us is a world wide position and there is really no where to run from him. hillary has to win!!!! failure is not an option. lol :mad::mad::mad:

[Tea toaD]

I am hoping so much that the super delegates see this and will finally realize he is so pathetic and unpresidential:( My husband does that when he disagrees with one of his buddies in front of their wives so the full middle finger isn't so apparent. Obama was looking for and got the reaction he wanted from people. Is this his hope for change? I don't think we're over-reacting to this. It is what it is:(

[Bacio83]

I've just been sending the articles and blogs with it. It's not us if you link a blog that has been bringing it up. We're just informing the masses. If there was a huge hoopla over Cheeney's stupid hand holding his fishing rod reflection off his sunglasses that looked like a naked woman.

I think flip-off gate deserves to be vetted. The double standard's crazy. Every news outlet was talking about the "naked woman" in his sunglasses and was he at a nudist colony LOL. I could tell without the digital enhancement it was his hand holding the fishing rod. So come on we're not being that crazed here. But by passing the blogs around we're merely bringing it to the forefront. :)

Oh and btw my family were pretty much on the "he flipped her off side."

ETA Fox News has the pic and Flip-off gate on their front page.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/18/did-obama-give-a-flip-response-to-clinton-attacks/

[Wales for Hillary]

I am hoping so much that the super delegates see this and will finally realize he is so pathetic and unpresidential:( My husband does that when he disagrees with one of his buddies in front of their wives so the full middle finger isn't so apparent. Obama was looking for and got the reaction he wanted from people. Is this his hope for change? I don't think we're over-reacting to this. It is what it is:(

I hope he does...I hopes he beats the living shi+ out of this pr1ck for disrespecting his wife like that.

OUR GOAL: If this is shown once on the MSM they will all have to cover it. Work on Lou Dobbs and FOX and remember there are 4 different camera anglea. Just like all of Obamas problems, together they tell a stoiry.

[mcgowan.swan]

there is a post in here somewhere that said there were different people behind him when he did it and that poster thinks he did it twice in two different speeches at the same exact point. if that is true we have him dead to rights. how can we research it? if that is the case it will be all over the news and undeniable. i have no research ability as dial up and no video. someone research please. thanks

[SunnyInCal]

Anyone ever think maybe he didnt do the finger conciously and it was just subconciously. maybe we are making too big of an issue and we are jumping to conclusions as they did when Bill would talk and they would cry racism. Arent we above that BS?

In my blogging I am not focusing on whether he did it, I'm focuing on the audience's reaction. IF the audience thought he was only scratching his face why would they yell out and hoot and holler? ANd in one CBS video you can see two white women and when he does the "finger" move one of them looks like she's saying "oh" and then talks to the woman next to her.. she does this at the exact moment he makes his finger move.

His audience's reaction to me, is much more disturbing than whether or not he did it on purpose. These are fellow americans who support him who think it is okay and even fun and proper to do this gesture to another presidential candidate.

Would they think it was okay if Hillary was another man? Would he have done it if Hillary was another man? Hmmm

[SunnyInCal]

there is a post in here somewhere that said there were different people behind him when he did it and that poster thinks he did it twice in two different speeches at the same exact point. if that is true we have him dead to rights. how can we research it? if that is the case it will be all over the news and undeniable. i have no research ability as dial up and no video. someone research please. thanks

No, it was ONE speech but two different angles with different lighting so in one video everyone looked black or brown and in another some looked white, but they are the same people.

[Charlie Brown]

We're in trouble! Barack Obama is a very scary man. I know he was giving Hillary the finger and whether or not it's a deniable action doesn't change the fact that Obama is nothing short of a schoolyard bully.

When Hillary talks at her campaign rallies about the stupid things Obama says, she talks straight and her audiences react with applause. When Obama does the same, he degrades the person he's going after and provokes laughter and jeers at his victim's expense. This is unacceptable behavior. This man is NOT a role model for compassion, responsibility or peace activism. He is not a role model for our country and especially not one for our children. His goal isn't to lead America. His goal is simply to be the first black president of America. I don't doubt that Obama is causing many African Americans to have a sinking feeling over the idea of him representing and being a role model for their race. He's sealing preconceived stereotypical views of the African American community and creating them in the minds of people where they don't already exist. His campaign has been fueled by bully tactics and gang mentality. He thumbs his nose at his education with his constant use of slang and his wife's language skills are even worse! This is a nightmare on so many levels.

Ijane please forward this letter and blog to hannity along with the him flipping off Hillary its a really good blog and so true...please please send this on or blog it on gretawire. Your spot on..This makes me so sick to my stomach... and to think people (grown women are lauphing at this) I suspect some people will walk away from that event and think again, what he thought was so hillarious to stoop to this level...This is plain shameful and Im very depressed about it.... This isnt a stand up night club act, its our country and we are at war My God in Heven help us....

[LJSNAustin]

And he INCITES his followers and that's what I find MOST DISTURBING.

Very similar to his "spiritual mentor" wouldn't you say??? :mad:

[Wales for Hillary]

another angle

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/17/politics/main4025215.shtml

this one convinced me

[scarolina]

I wanted to comment on Greta's site to someone who said Obama was just using his middle finger to scratch his face - I see now that the current video is only showing that section of the video rather than seeing the whole thing. I could have sworn that when I first saw the longer version in the beginning of that he does scratch his face but is using his little finger - then later when talking about HRC he uses the middle one.

[Charlie Brown]

They Need The Cbs One...(i Believe) It Shows The People In The Back-ground Responding To It Better.

[Bacio83]

TO KIMS2COOL
Comment by CDW1
April 18th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Comment by Mike
April 18th, 2008 at 10:30 am

Obama gave Clinton the finger on 2 separate occasions - in 2 different speeches yesterday - the speeches were both the same - and at the point that he talked about Clinton “being in her element” he raised his middle finger and scratched his cheek —- 2 separate speeches - exact same moment.

First speech:

YouTube - Obama Gives Hillary The Finger

Second speech:

YouTube - Obama Flips off Hillary

Is this the kind of immature behavior we want in a presidential candidate? I thought he was acting childish in his complaint on the ‘tough’ questions in the debate - but, this is above and BEYOND childish.

Are these two separate speeches or diff angles? I heard on fox they're two diff times. Someone check this out I'm not allowed on youtube at work. lol

[Wales for Hillary]

Bacio...its my fault for starting that and I was wrong.....Look at the top row with the elderly man in a light blue shirt and white hair

hes in both....it doesn't matter...once was enough

[Bacio83]

Oh, no I got that from another blog i wasn't sure I have great disdain for my work's firewall blocking youtube.... grr lol But I'm not bitter! :) Thanks for the clarification I was blogging blind.

[Charlie Brown]

Bacio...its my fault for starting that and I was wrong.....Look at the top row with the elderly man in a light blue shirt and white hair

hes in both....it doesn't matter...once was enough

ONCE IS ENOUPH, THIS IS WHY HIS FOLLOWERS ARE BULLIES...HE IS NOT A GOOD ROLL MODEL

[Morgan]

Can we all show this video to people who are not as in the middle of these things as all of us posters are. For instance, I sent the video out to my lists and actually got some surprisingly nasty comments for forwarding it on.

I run into a weird thing with my lists of supporters -- I have about 300 people who get my emails. They want me to be 100% cheerleader and say very positive and uplifting things -- I get slack for every criticizing Obama.

Some of the people who don't want me to ever criticize shot back at me and said I was imagining things here, because there is "no way" he would do that in front of cameras. So, they say I am wrong to see this, and were upset with me for forwarding the videos.

So - I'm tired and rambling a little -- but is there any truth in this? ARE we just seeing what we want to see? My mind goes to that "face on Mars" some people think is a sphinx head up there, but NASA says is just a rock. I see the sphinx in that photo, but know it is a rock. I don't believe it is a sphinx.

When I see this video, I CLEARLY see him slipping the finger, and admit I did that a few times at age 12 (until my father threatened he'd break it off the next time I did it). I also see my very spoiled nephew do that. I've seen kids do it on TV too --- like those nanny 911 shows.

Does anyone have any non-political, non-involved friends who do not feel one way or another about Hillary or Obama to show this to?

Can we show this to Republicans and get their reaction?


The Republicans had this on their major site yesterday. They may have been who broke the story.

They definitely see Obama giving the finger. There was a long discussion on it.

So no, you are not seeing things.

[smsemedic]

what a child. now THAT, is an admirable quality of "his!"

[SantaCruzen]

http://answers.polldaddy.com/viewPoll.aspx?view=results&id=532638

[Morgan]

I just voted.

[Charlie Brown]

How did you vote..greta says its been hyjacked by OBama supporters and the poll isnt working?????

[kyforhillary]

go to greatwire.com they have a poll about this

[Phoenix]

It's easy to cheat this poll.

Just go here:
http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/532638/

Click on "yes"

Then rapidly click and keep clicking "Vote" as fast as you can.
If it goes to the results page, then click the back button and do it again.
you can quickly add a few hundred votes.

That's what the Obamabots did to this poll to get the early lead.

[SantaCruzen]

People my partner knew for years are defending that Ob*st*rd. This is what one of the posts Fingergate YouTube. I am posting it in case anyone needs it!

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"Goddamn America" for President

No, No, No!!!

[hillary4change]

[/FONT]I think that's stretching it a little bit guys...

I can't stand BO but unless I had read the subject of this thread, it would have never occurred to me that he was "giving the finger". Let's stay focused on real issues, please.



Maybe you come from another country, or have never seen this trick. Trust me this was blatant.
First he touched that area of his face with his pinky finger, to draw your attention to him touching his face, and then he does it again to make you notice the action again!! Then of course you notice that it is a VERY different finger!!!