Why Do we Have to Fight Fair

[Wales for Hillary]

Hillarmy,

I hate to say it, but I have never been as pissed off in my life as I am right now. I watched that "Obama flicks off Hillary" video a couple of hours ago and didn't think anything of it (just a regular motion). However, then I noticed how many hits it was having on here and I took a second look. The nerve of this man and his supporters. You saw and heard thier reactions and the smile on his face....they know what was going on (and yes I realize he has deniability- but ++++ him). "Senator Clinton was in her element....shes...(gesture)".

If this is what our nation, our culture, has come to then I am not just going to sit idlely by and let this man and his klan take us over in what can only be described as an Old School Chicago Style Ambush. Why does Hillary have to play fair in this (when she goes dirty the media turn on her and the polls go down). This is so frustrating watching her work so hard only to be negated by these tactics that they are playing. Why do we have to play fair anymore??

Axelrod has taken full control of the media
-we all know NBC, CNN and MSNBC control their airwaves and monitor thier blogs and websites
-he has bought the endorsement of any paper that seems willing to take a bribe (I have only noticed Uni papers really endorsing Hillary)
-he owns the internet hiring professional bloggers (chaos makers), controling output on community sites like youtube and all the "formerlly" democratic blogs, and everytime his "golden boy" has a bad day a pro-Hillary blog mysteriously goes down
-these polls are all horsecrap...how come Hillary consistently out performs the expected outcome....they try and convince her followers to stay home because it doesnt matter anyway

Chicago Style Politics and his supporters
-Cash is no object to this man...now as much as I would like to believe that it is all dumbstruck Americans are all donating $10 I cannot...this man is backed by well funded persons who I gaurantee have no good intentions
-There is literally "fear" in some supporters of Hillary or people who speak out against Obama...these goons send harass death threats
-Why are people

The DNC
-We all know whats happened with MI and FL and now today Dean comes out and says that he will decide what to do after all votes and SDs are counted....are you kidding me....the upcoming states don't even matter now because Dean (who has obviously been supporting OB all along) now has an ace up his sleeve.....if Obama does win fairly he will allow the delegates to be seated "as is" and then try to claim it was a fair election to appease Hillary supporters
-This whole Superdelegate mess. Not only is he corrupt but he also has no b@lls. Rather than making the tough decision he is forcing them to act early whilst it looks like Obama is in command. Plus they are being bought off (or thugged) by Obama and his tremendous cashflow
-caucuses---are you shi++ing me---heres my experience in MN
"I went there and there was an Obama rep at the front door asking ELDERLY people if they would vote for Obama. Regardless of thier answer they gave them a sticker that said Barack and told them to put it on thier piece of paper. We then wrote our candidate (if Clinton supporter) on a scratch piece of paper and dropped it into a cardboard box (written on with permanent marker that said VOTE HERE and an arrow) that had three large Obama supporters around it). Wheres our democracy gone.

Im losing steam because I could go on and on about how this is one big fix, but you all are smart enough to see that. I could also talk about how Hillary boot stomps that man in so many ways,and his shady characater...but you all know that. What I don't know is how we can stop him.

I have been calling PA residents, and emailing anyone that will listen about the unfair treatment of Hillary, but I am gaining 1 vote at a time whilst this highly financed propaganda machine full of thugs and led by a man who "literally" has flicked of his opponent is pulling every dirty trick in the book to counteract it. Yes this is frustration I am letting out. This morning I was day dreaming and threw out an idea about making a video to respond to Obama girl. Bollocks to that...it gets nothing done. Its to damn nice. This man doesn't deserve it any more he and his associates are pure evil as far as I am concerned now. We need some good ideas but for starters would you please help me with these.

1) Every man woman and child needs to see the video of that action. That is shocking and deplorable. I don't care if they think it is just a scratch it needs to be seen so that they can make up thier mind. Unlike the MSM I dont want to tell people how to think, but they should take a lok at this and decide for themselves if this is THEIR president. Please help me in sending this to every news station, every media outlet, every pro Hillary blog, every pro Obama blog, every superdelegate, every one you can. The MSM wont cover it and if they do they will probably only release the audio version of it. This story needs to replace the socalled "rigged" debate that is dominating the headlines right now going into PA. The Ayers story that was meant to take off today was limited to a 2minute rant at the end of Lou Dobbs today. They ignore it entirelyI can't stand this crap any more.

2) Dean needs to be fired. WE are the core democrats that have stood beside the party for years. WE are the people (not the kid Obamabots) who have been donating to this party for years. WE are the people that need to decide who represents us as out nominee - NOT THIS PR1CK. He is blocking democracy...no thats to weak....hes chewing democracy up, spitting it out, and laughing in our faces. This is completely unexceptable. He is more concerned with his "anybody but a CLinton" agenda than he is getting a democratic into the White House. He is willing to throw his "golden boy" to the GOP dogs where we can all blatently see Obama will get eaten alive as a lame duck candidate, rather than attempt to push Clinton. He must be able to see that Obama is toast in a General Election, but refuses to make this election fair...FLAT REFUSES. Now there are a lot of smart passionate people on this site, someone must have a good idea and I gaurantee we can all help. I honestlly don't know what to do in such a short time. You send an email he asks for money. You form a petition his secretary takes it. This man has stolen our party, and we need to take it back.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated because until this man is taken out there is no way Hillary can win this (sorry for the brutal truth) whilst this man holds the power over the deciding votes of MI and FL, and the superdelegates are almost being forced to follow party lines. This is borderline criminal.

I do apologize for the extended rant, but this is quite honestly the most frustrating time I feel we Americans have ever had to endure. It a modern day coux. Anyhow, Im off to spread this link to as many people as I can possibly feed it to by 8 am tomorrow morning. I don't care if the same people get 50 repetitve emails this needs to be seen. Horrific.

[CGP]

Mmm...now you might understand why I started a tiny little forum.

I had to do something, however small, in response to witnessing the GROSS INJUSTICE you describe above.

And the INJUSTICE is ongoing. It's a national disgrace. A political HOAX on a GRAND scale.

[Wales for Hillary]

If you want a quick cut and paste for blogs or emails use this
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Just in case you haven’t seen it I want you to know what our “future president” and the man the DNC is forcing upon us is all about.

YouTube - Obama MiddlefingerGate

Listen to the crowd and decide for yourself. This was his response to getting boot-stomped in the debate on Wednesday. Hillary supporters spread this like the plague that the Obama campaign has become.

[Santiago]

Wales, you got my vote!!!

[Soaring Eagle]

Don't get me started!

[suerw]

Mmm...now you might understand why I started a tiny little forum.

I had to do something, however small, in response to witnessing the GROSS INJUSTICE you describe above.

And the INJUSTICE is ongoing. It's a national disgrace. A political HOAX on a GRAND scale.

It is, but what can be done at this point? That's in large part a rhetorical question. I think this forum has stated clearly what we can do as individuals. However I certainly understand and share the frustrations of some here in trying to combat the effect of the media onslaught and the apparent complicity of the DNC. Of course we'll keep letter writing, e-mailing, calling and campaigning one-on-one in our own areas. And until the last primary voter's ballot has been counted we'll do our very best to maintain a positive attitude. But as you point out, this "HOAX" is on a "GRAND" scale.

[ZY123]

It is, but what can be done at this point? That's in large part a rhetorical question. I think this forum has stated clearly what we can do as individuals. However I certainly understand and share the frustrations of some here in trying to combat the effect of the media onslaught and the apparent complicity of the DNC. Of course we'll keep letter writing, e-mailing, calling and campaigning one-on-one in our own areas. And until the last primary voter's ballot has been counted we'll do our very best to maintain a positive attitude. But as you point out, this "HOAX" is on a "GRAND" scale.

The frustration is building for me anyway - what CAN be done? After what DEAN said today it's obvious what is going on. How CAN he be stopped? How do we get people that don't want to listen to listen?

[Wales for Hillary]

It is, but what can be done at this point? That's in large part a rhetorical question. I think this forum has stated clearly what we can do as individuals. However I certainly understand and share the frustrations of some here in trying to combat the effect of the media onslaught and the apparent complicity of the DNC. Of course we'll keep letter writing, e-mailing, calling and campaigning one-on-one in our own areas. And until the last primary voter's ballot has been counted we'll do our very best to maintain a positive attitude. But as you point out, this "HOAX" is on a "GRAND" scale.

You obviosly think that she still has a chance. Now get this out and make it a story by morning. This speaks straight to the character of himself and his supporters. I fished with it on Fox blogs, and there are some pissed off people out there. DONT STOP FIGHTING CAUSE HILLARY ISNT.....GET THIS OUT THERE TONIGHT

[Wales for Hillary]

The frustration is building for me anyway - what CAN be done? After what DEAN said today it's obvious what is going on. How CAN he be stopped?

Ditto......++++ Dean. We have four days till PA. MAKE THIS A DAMN STORY.

DO NOT GIVE UP. Find the PA blogs. Get this out. If this hits MSM hes done. People will not elect that. It is our job to get the MSM to cover this by morning.

[ZY123]

btw - I did get a bunch of Republicans I know listening....but that doesn't get us the votes....just the satisfaction that the injustice is being noticed.

[Wales for Hillary]

btw - I did get a bunch of Republicans I know listening....but that doesn't get us the votes....just the satisfaction that the injustice is being noticed.

Rigel...this is my point...the time for talking is done....its time to get mean or lose our country

Hit this on every blog you can.....this is shocking to the average american and will swing the female womens vote bigtime

I just showed it to my girlfriend and she was pissed...she hates politics

[Wales for Hillary]

btw - I did get a bunch of Republicans I know listening....but that doesn't get us the votes....just the satisfaction that the injustice is being noticed.

Rigel...this is my point...the time for talking is done....its time to get mean or lose our country

Hit this on every blog you can.....this is shocking to the average american and will swing the female vote bigtime in PA

I just showed it to my girlfriend and she was pissed...she hates politics

[ZY123]

Rigel...this is my point...the time for talking is done....its time to get mean or lose our country

Hit this on every blog you can.....this is shocking to the average american and will swing the female womens vote bigtime

I just showed it to my girlfriend and she was pissed...she hates politics

Was she pissed because he did it to a woman or just because he did it? (serious question, I'm curious as to what people are thinking outside of the craziness)

[Wales for Hillary]

Was she pissed because he did it to a woman or just because he did it? (serious question, I'm curious as to what people are thinking outside of the craziness)

Shes pissed because this man is about to represent our country and the media is lying down for it

[ZY123]

Shes pissed because this man is about to represent our country and the media is lying down for it

That's the answer I was hoping for....btw this man isn't about to represent anything or anyone if I have anything to say about it.

[CGP]

-he owns the internet hiring professional bloggers (chaos makers), controling output on community sites like youtube and all the "formerlly" democratic blogs, and everytime his "golden boy" has a bad day a pro-Hillary blog mysteriously goes down

This is one of the actions of the Obama campaign that I find the most disgusting of all. They have systematically CORRUPTED and HIJACKED the Internet and OVERRUN just about all websites and infected these with their pro-obama/anti-hillary PROPAGANDA, LIES & HATRED. It's so, so bad. The attempt to completely misrepresent and distort public opinion has been UNFORGIVEABLE. Just about every online poll, article, video, image, whatever, is targeted by Obama's online hit squad - the Internet crusade against Hillary Clinton by the Obama campaign (and it's disgraceful online surrogates) has been on a GRAND SCALE. The Internet has been a major WEAPON which they have used to TRY and DESTROY the character of Hillary Clinton. UNFORGIVEABLE ACTIONS.

[ZY123]

This is one of the actions of the Obama campaign that I find the most disgusting of all. They have systematically CORRUPTED and HIJACKED the Internet and OVERRUN just about all websites and infected these with their pro-obama/anti-hillary PROPAGANDA, LIES & HATRED. It's so, so bad. The attempt to completely misrepresent and distort public opinion has been UNFORGIVEABLE. Just about every online poll, article, video, image, whatever, is targeted by Obama's online hit squad - the Internet crusade against Hillary Clinton by the Obama campaign (and it's disgraceful online surrogates) has been on a GRAND SCALE. The Internet has been a major WEAPON which they have used to TRY and DESTROY the character of Hillary Clinton. UNFORGIVEABLE ACTIONS.

Plus he's hacking the polls - auto vote auto vote auto vote....I think many people are just too frustrated to vote in them at all since they know they are rigged.

[Wales for Hillary]

Murray point me in the direction of a good list of emails or other blogs that have been created on this site

[josephm]

Well, first of all, I think it isn't clear yet that Hillary will not win. I think they have to think hard of what to do.

Second, I believe if Obama is the nominee, we will have a rerun of Reagan election episode here. Which means, McCain will win the nomination hands down.

People do not like an elitist, and that is what Obama has been acting. He blames everybody for everything. He makes all kind of statements and policies which are less likely to get accomplished. His patriotism is questionable to those who aren't diehard democrats. His connections and so on and so on. In the end, there are people who hate him, think he is far too left, see McCain is far more likable and humble, believe Obama to be an elitist (just like John Kerry), will not vote for him.

Democrats will end up with a Republican president again. But that is ok since having an Elitist who think they are better than other people, who think they know more of what good for the people, who themselves behave the same way they condemn others, do not deserve to be a leader of this country. Obama can only win the democrats who like to blame others for everything, but he cannot win majority of the people.

[CGP]

Murray point me in the direction of a good list of emails or other blogs that have been created on this site

Not sure what you mean, but have a look at this list of prohillary sites:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/prohillary/

[ZY123]

josephm,

I don't think we're saying she can't win...rather that the DNC and MSM are working against her making the battle harder.....for me I'm just not sure what the best course of action is. The debate should have done it for any logically minded person.....we need to get into people's minds and figure out what they need to see to be convinced of the obvious.


ETA: I do agree with Wales that it's time to forget about fighting fair - that doesn't work when the other guy isn't doing it.

[Wales for Hillary]

josephm,

I don't think we're saying she can't win...rather that the DNC and MSM are working against her making the battle harder.....for me I'm just not sure what the best course of action is. The debate should have done it for any logically minded person.....we need to get into people's minds and figure out what they need to see to be convinced of the obvious.

and Im saying lets make this as hard as they possibly can slip this candidate in under our noses

I dontcare if we tear this man a new a==hole at this point...HE CANNOT BE PRESIDENT...he just flipped off our candidate

[ZY123]

I'll send to as many people as I can and do some blogging.

[mjoynaples]

and I do not know what to do ... I can barely open the video (not technically savy obviously) and the only sites I have been on is here and hillary's and I only came here because you blog faster and post (thanks murray) so I would not know how to send the video to begin with and or to whom... HOWEVER I really feel we need to do something TOO before TUESDAY and it needs to be big I still feel like PA HAS TO BE BIG for HILLARY to obviously keep it going and I am stupified to see that ONCE AGAIN SHE IS HANDS DOWN THE WINNER OF THAT DEBATE AND THE other camp is making her the bad person, the dishonest person, the negative campaigner etc.. WHAT BS! It is the kettle and pot thing and I suppose someone is going to accuse me of something now... whatever... WHERE ARE HER PEOPLE AND HOW COME THEY ARE NOT RALLYING TO HER DEFENSE? the superdelegates can this go to EMILY's list and did anyone alert that group that these woman they are supporting are cra_ _ ing on the WOMAN WHO IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB?? and what about the DNC? HOW CAN SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT STICKS AGAINST Obama or is POSITIVE FOR HILLARY to make this a winner for HILLARY? whatever it is the video or something and where are these votes for FL and MI and how is this democratic? WHAT CAN BE DONE?? and please someone tell me she is going to win anyway! even the nomination!

[suerw]

Was she pissed because he did it to a woman or just because he did it? (serious question, I'm curious as to what people are thinking outside of the craziness)

Rigel, I would hope that viewers of what appears to be "the gesture" would be offended because behavior such as that is disrespectful to the high office Obama is contending for.

[Wales for Hillary]

and I do not know what to do ... I can barely open the video (not technically savy obviously) and the only sites I have been on is here and hillary's and I only came here because you blog faster and post (thanks murray) so I would not know how to send the video to begin with and or to whom... HOWEVER I really feel we need to do something TOO before TUESDAY and it needs to be big I still feel like PA HAS TO BE BIG for HILLARY to obviously keep it going and I am stupified to see that ONCE AGAIN SHE IS HANDS DOWN THE WINNER OF THAT DEBATE AND THE other camp is making her the bad person, the dishonest person, the negative campaigner etc.. WHAT BS! It is the kettle and pot thing and I suppose someone is going to accuse me of something now... whatever... WHERE ARE HER PEOPLE AND HOW COME THEY ARE NOT RALLYING TO HER DEFENSE? the superdelegates can this go to EMILY's list and did anyone alert that group that these woman they are supporting are cra_ _ ing on the WOMAN WHO IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB?? and what about the DNC? HOW CAN SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT STICKS AGAINST Obama or is POSITIVE FOR HILLARY to make this a winner for HILLARY? whatever it is the video or something and where are these votes for FL and MI and how is this democratic? WHAT CAN BE DONE?? and please someone tell me she is going to win anyway! even the nomination!

If we along with the help of the other pro-Hillary sites can break this into the MSM....that will be BIG

Get other proHillary sites working on this...its about allwe can do that can break in 4 days

this man is toast if this gets shown on one of the major networks because the others will be forced to cover it....even if MSNBC makes up some stupid story....they have to show it and let the people decide

[msga7]

Fight the Good Fight with Faith

And

Run the good race with patience

msga

[ZY123]

Rigel, I would hope that viewers of what appears to be "the gesture" would be offended because behavior such as that is disrespectful to the high office Obama is contending for.

There are many many reasons to find it offensive I think, I was just curious what the overall thought is. You never know what people are thinking - I just wanted some feedback from outside the forum and outside my group of people (many Republican - I'm in a red household)....who said it made Obama look like a dolt...an embarrassment for our country should he become President.

[msga7]

I also have written to the DNC and emailed Howard Dean to stop obama's bid for presidency because of behaviour unbecoming of a presidential candidate in a presidential race. No one responded.

I was deeply offended by the slavery blog with the schackle thing, along with the disgusting racist comments about whitey on Obama's blog, and also that started my personal protest about not wanting to visit the USA until the hatred in a lot of people's hearts go. I am sure I am not the only tourist that feels that way either.

Perhaps a protest in Dean's office...might get the attention.

It is about behaviour unbecoming..isn't their rules that also hold to that?

But the tide will turn, and people shall see in light and the truth shall set every one free.

In the peace of His day.

msga

[Suzan]

I just responded on the L.A. Times blog. Of course, it's overrun with Obamabots going insane and calling the writer names because he dared to suggest Obama would flip Hillary off. What's interesting--and this is important. They're DENYING it. They're saying Obama didn't do it, that it's two fingers, etc.

What does this tell you? That's they're scared. They're fearful now that it appears the media is turning on him. Their reaction alone tells me the video needs to be sent out.

This was my comment to the blog:

I smell desperation too, from Obama's supporters. They know exactly what he did, and they're terrified their candidate is imploding before their eyes. Otherwise, why would he model such appallingly imature behavior for all the young people he's supposed to be inspiring and bringing into the of modern politics.

He gave her the finger. You'd have to be blind not to see that, no matter how much Kool Aid you're drinking. She whipped his butt in the debate and he's a sore loser. Great role modeling, Senator. You'll make a great COC. Another arrested adolescent cowboy in the White House.

[mjoynaples]

you can see what he is doing and he does it and the WOMEN BEHIND HIM HAVE TO TELL EACH OTHER WHAT EVERYONE IS ROARING LAUGHING ABOUT SHAME ON HIM... IT WAS ON TV and of course the commentators do not see that or if they do they are not saying it... can someone email this to the ABC guy who broke the WRIGHT STORY I forget his name... he is always doing investigative reports and welcomes information...

the wider screen (TV) clearly shows what he has done and then he later places his hand near podium and says something like "and she has a right to turn it a little and push this and his gesture is turning a knife action or turning the screws on him something like that..."

if someone has numbers I will call places in the morning...

[Suzan]

I don't know how to embed videos. Is a link good enough?

Wales, who are you sending it to? Pro-Hillary people? The media? Let us know what you're doing so we can help.

There's no reason not to send it out. It's already out there. It's already been blogged by the L.A. Times.

The thing is this is subliminal. You know damn well what he's doing. Your mind tells you no, he couldn't be doing that, but your gut is twisting and that's the message you're left with. Those Obamabots can DENY until cows fly, but they know he flipped her off. And on a gut level, people will get it.

[suerw]

josephm,
I don't think we're saying she can't win...rather that the DNC and MSM are working against her making the battle harder.....for me I'm just not sure what the best course of action is. The debate should have done it for any logically minded person.....we need to get into people's minds and figure out what they need to see to be convinced of the obvious.

ETA: I do agree with Wales that it's time to forget about fighting fair - that doesn't work when the other guy isn't doing it.

Rigel, one problem is that logic doesn't necessarily sell a product or a candidate -- a fact I've always found very frustrating. One of my personal favorite phrases being, "but that isn't logical." Logic works for most of us here because we take the time and effort to examine the issues and to seriously listen to what the candidates say (or don't say) on the issues. It's the emotional impact that influences many who rely on sound bites heard on the evening news. Also, media saturation is working in Obama's favor when it comes to the number of ads his campaign has been able to run.

[msga7]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/17/obama-stands-accused-of-conduct-unbecoming-a-presidential-candidate/

This story has now broken may it spread throughout the media and USA, amen.

msga

[CGP]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/17/obama-stands-accused-of-conduct-unbecoming-a-presidential-candidate/

This story has now broken may it spread throughout the media and USA, amen.

msga

That link has been up for about 5 hours and is previously listed in this thread but thanks anyway.

[ZY123]

Rigel, one problem is that logic doesn't necessarily sell a product or a candidate -- a fact I've always found very frustrating. One of my personal favorite phrases being, "but that isn't logical." Logic works for most of us here because we take the time and effort to examine the issues and to seriously listen to what the candidates say (or don't say) on the issues. It's the emotional impact that influences many who rely on sound bites heard on the evening news. Also, media saturation is working in Obama's favor when it comes to the number of ads his campaign has been able to run.

Yeah I know...it was my snarky way of pointing out Obama people are not being logical.....fruustrating indeed!!!!! =) (I've been dying to go over to some of the pro-O sites and start spouting logic but I know it would be utterly lost on them.)

[Wales for Hillary]

I don't know how to embed videos. Is a link good enough?

Wales, who are you sending it to? Pro-Hillary people? The media? Let us know what you're doing so we can help.

There's no reason not to send it out. It's already out there. It's already been blogged by the L.A. Times.

The thing is this is subliminal. You know damn well what he's doing. Your mind tells you no, he couldn't be doing that, but your gut is twisting and that's the message you're left with. Those Obamabots can DENY until cows fly, but they know he flipped her off. And on a gut level, people will get it.

Ive been hitting FOX news very hard help me with CNN....it takes a while because its individual but this is what Im saying
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CNN....Im giving this to you first because I am interested to see if you are willing to let FOX news beat you to a story like they did with Bill Ayers. Are you really going to let this man get this cocky because he knows you will not report his unpresidential behavior. Now you can look at this and write whatever script you want about it but truthfully you, I, and (judging by the reaction of the audience-disgusting I might add) they all know whats really going on in this video.

(link)

Now Im happy for you that you all have found a man to oooh and aaah over, but at some point this needs to be stopped and no matter how much Axelrod is paying you, you need to realize that your actions are pushing THIS MAN into the White House. Do the responsible American thing and report this. You don't even have to comment on it, just let people make thier mind up for themselves what happened here. Before you know it this man is president, and we will all be paying for our ignorance. I can't have that....can you???

[SunnyInCal]

Rigel...this is my point...the time for talking is done....its time to get mean or lose our country

Hit this on every blog you can.....this is shocking to the average american and will swing the female womens vote bigtime

I just showed it to my girlfriend and she was pissed...she hates politics

According to Michelle O we already are mean.. I guess we can live down to her expectations

I just want Hillary herself to stay above this... she should not even comment on it.. let us take the hit.. because otherwise her negatives go down again even though she herself hasn't done anything wrong.. wait.. she caused him to give her the finger.. i see.. i seee

[Wales for Hillary]

According to Michelle O we already are mean.. I guess we can live down to her expectations

I just want Hillary herself to stay above this... she should not even comment on it.. let us take the hit.. because otherwise her negatives go down again even though she herself hasn't done anything wrong.. wait.. she caused him to give her the finger.. i see.. i seee

I 100% agree....I have been sending the campaign messages tonight asking her to go positive for 4 days and we will take care of the rest

but no your right....its Hillarys fault that this guy has no class

[Horizon]

Watched it a few more times.The crowds' reaction is what really gives this away.Particularly the two women standing behind him.After he makes the gesture,the one whose head you can see leans over to the one in the floral shirt.Her mouth goes into the O shape and then she laughs and claps.Sickening.

[Wales for Hillary]

Watched it a few more times.The crowds' reaction is what really gives this away.Particularly the two women standing behind him.After he makes the gesture,the one whose head you can see leans over to the one in the floral shirt.Her mouth goes into the O shape and then she laughs and claps.Sickening.

Look from the other angle.....same reaction from the bald african american guy....he giggles and whispers....you are in denial if you won't believe this

and yes the Obamabots are going nuts over this story

[Horizon]

I swear,if this is not huge news tomorrow and someone does not call out this jack%#@,I will apply for Canadian Citizenship!!! If he gets away with this one,I will know my conspiracy theory is correct. He should stripped of every vote he has gotten and he and his repulsive wife banished to a desert island.Full of cockroaches.No shade.Sharks circling.You get my picture. Nothing is punishment enough in my book. As adults,do you do this? When you're in the public eye? When you just finished a debate where you had your a#$ handed to you? He is not fit to run this country,or any other.EVER!

[hillary4change]

I kept calling to get through to ABC. I couldn't, so I went ahead and just sent the e-mails to George and Charles. In those e-mails I told them about Obama and the flipping off. I also told them about harassment on-line, caucus bullying, just a few things to help them get an idea of what it is like to be a hillary supporter out here with a candidate that flips of the former First Lady!!! His fans follow his lead!!! I mentioned it in both e-amils. I told them that by questioning the Prince and not handing him the crown, they are being viewed to be as bad as Hillary supporters! I hope they get the picture. I have been off looking up articles and digging, I was also rating pro-hill vids. The flip off vid has 2 different versions on youtube already!! I rated them because I want it to be seen by someone that can act as the squeeky wheel!! Make a big stink!!

[Wales for Hillary]

I kept calling to get through to ABC. I couldn't, so I went ahead and just sent the e-mails to George and Charles. In those e-mails I told them about Obama and the flipping off. I also told them about harassment on-line, caucus bullying, just a few things to help them get an idea of what it is like to be a hillary supporter out here with a candidate that flips of the former First Lady!!! His fans follow his lead!!! I mentioned it in both e-amils. I told them that by questioning the Prince and not handing him the crown, they are being viewed to be as bad as Hillary supporters! I hope they get the picture. I have been off looking up articles and digging, I was also rating pro-hill vids. The flip off vid has 2 different versions on youtube already!! I rated them because I want it to be seen by someone that can act as the squeeky wheel!! Make a big stink!!

I have now found 5 different views of this.....in 4 of the 5 the audiences reaction tells the story (surprisingly the Obama one must have been editted because they barely move)

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html
This one is priceless

[Wales for Hillary]

OMG you will not believe this.....HE DID IT TWICE

I was confused because I have seen 5 different videos and the people behind him are not the same...its because in two different speeches at the exact same point he did the same thing

OMG...this man is a joke

heres his second speech of the day

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

[Jayling]

OMG you will not believe this.....HE DID IT TWICE

I was confused because I have seen 5 different videos and the people behind him are not the same...its because in two different speeches at the exact same point he did the same thing

OMG...this man is a joke

heres his second speech of the day

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4025010n

Well I'll be damned, you're right, Wales, he did the exact same disgusting F***You Flip to Hillary at 2 different events. Choreographed quite well, eh.

My anger is very hard to contain, so I'll end this right now.

[Santiago]

I have seen three angles of the speech, was there another speech? I am thinking the people in the back were different because of the angles.

[Jayling]

I have seen three angles of the speech, was there another speech? I am thinking the people in the back were different because of the angles.
Ya know, I think I'm wrong now, it does appear to be the same backdrop and podium, with the different angles. I'm looking for an earlier video that had a wide view, but can't find it now.

[Santiago]

We need someone can read lips to see what the woman in back said to the other.

[Sandy in PA]

Here is a Central PA/Harrisburg political blog:

http://blog.pennlive.com/pennsyltucky/

If you get a chance to hit this today, please do. Harrisburg has the highest number of Democratic voters in the area, so they need to see this. Also, the reporter that runs it has been very fair in reporting this election and receptive to the fact that it hasn't been covered fairly by others.

[mjoynaples]

I have not tuned in as yet today checking things out here first... what is happening regarding this despicable behavoir of this candiate for President Barack O?

[Lodi]

If you want a quick cut and paste for blogs or emails use this
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Just in case you haven’t seen it I want you to know what our “future president” and the man the DNC is forcing upon us is all about.

YouTube - Obama MiddlefingerGate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFajPWqmaCI)

Listen to the crowd and decide for yourself. This was his response to getting boot-stomped in the debate on Wednesday. Hillary supporters spread this like the plague that the Obama campaign has become.

I likee!! Now, IMO, this is the way to go about exposing BO. Let the viewers draw their own conclusions. Love the subtle comparison to Bush...in more ways than one! ("MiddlefingerGate"--LMAO! :D)

[Charlie Brown]

Watched it a few more times.The crowds' reaction is what really gives this away.Particularly the two women standing behind him.After he makes the gesture,the one whose head you can see leans over to the one in the floral shirt.Her mouth goes into the O shape and then she laughs and claps.Sickening.

This is the video to spread around....I hope those women are shamed in there towns...wonder where this was do we know????

[Charlie Brown]

I likee!! Now, IMO, this is the way to go about exposing BO. Let the viewers draw their own conclusions. Love the subtle comparison to Bush...in more ways than one! ("MiddlefingerGate"--LMAO! :D)

it doesnt show the women though and thats the dead give-away

[LJSNAustin]

I dontcare if we tear this man a new a==hole at this point.

Oh how I would love to do just that.

[Lodi]

it doesnt show the women though and thats the dead give-away

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to. I also watched the 2 videos on the NO QUARTER link given earlier on this thread, and I didn't see the two women you point out. Duh, what am I missing (besides a few brain cells?)? :confused:

[mkreyns]

I am ready for a Knock Out blow out punch so the DNC and all the other idiots cannot revive Obama. I have been saying this all along. Obama needs to be disqualified and it will take slamming him with the same dirty politics he uses in disguise. I have been frustrated with emailing, writing, sending and calling news people who will not expose Obama for who he is. I know Hillary can't do this, but Charles G. and George S. threw some of the punches that he really needed. Obama needs to be taken down. And the time is now, no more nice guy!

[hillary1]

Hillarmy,
I hate to say it, but I have never been as pissed off in my life as I am right now. Axelrod has taken full control of the media -...-caucuses---are you shi++ing me---heres my experience in MN"I went there and there was an Obama rep at the front door asking ELDERLY people if they would vote for Obama. Regardless of thier answer they gave them a sticker that said Barack and told them to put it on thier piece of paper. We then wrote our candidate (if Clinton supporter) on a scratch piece of paper and dropped it into a cardboard box (written on with permanent marker that said VOTE HERE and an arrow) that had three large Obama supporters around it). Wheres our democracy gone.as a lame duck candidate, rather than attempt to push Clinton. He must be able to see that Obama is toast in a General Election, but refuses to make this election fair...FLAT REFUSES. Now there are a lot of smart passionate people on this site, someone must have a good idea and I gaurantee we can all help. I honestlly don't know what to do in such a short time. You send an email he asks for money. You form a petition his secretary takes it. This man has stolen our party, and we need to take it back. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated because until this man is taken out there is no way Hillary can win this (sorry for the brutal truth) whilst this man holds the power over the deciding votes of MI and FL, and the superdelegates are almost being forced to follow party lines. This is borderline criminal.
.

believe what you wish, but in an election, any election, imo, it is the powerful that call the shots, we do not live in a democracy, what is happening in this country today is being done with deliberation and in a very systematic way, as it was put very eloquently, "WE SET THE PRICE OF A PAPER CLIP AND PEOPLE RUN AROUND WONDERING HOW WE DO IT"

this election is being funded by billionaires, not some two bit backroom cronie who thinks association with the likes of ayes, wright is going to distract them from their goal

a few years ago, someone, sorry, i forget the name of that person, but he stated do not be surprised if this country, the good old u.s.of a., went third world nation, now one may read this an say, "NO WAY WILL NEVER HAPPEN", i hope not, but, be prepared for a lower standard of living, its coming

MANIPULATION OF THE POPULACE

OBAMA = WELFARE

HILLARY = JOBS, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, TAXES, IRAQ, IRAN

[ZY123]

I'm sure someone already posted but I wanted to put it in here anyway...on the main politics page of Fox News:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/18/did-obama-give-a-flip-response-to-clinton-attacks/

EDIT: Can we somewhere get all the MSM stories about it in one place? (No blog stuff....I'm interested in comparing MSM coverage (if any ) side by side)

[mkreyns]

I'm sure someone already posted but I wanted to put it in here anyone...on the main politics page of Fox News:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/18/did-obama-give-a-flip-response-to-clinton-attacks/

EDIT: Can we somewhere get all the MSM stories about it in one place? (No blog stuff....I'm interested in comparing MSM coverage (if any ) side by side)

Here's the one on ABC News page:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/obama-attempts.html

I think that ABC and Fox are our media hopes to KO Obama.

[ZY123]

-he owns the internet hiring professional bloggers (chaos makers), controling output on community sites like youtube and all the "formerlly" democratic blogs, and everytime his "golden boy" has a bad day a pro-Hillary blog mysteriously goes down
-these polls are all horsecrap...how come Hillary consistently out performs the expected outcome....they try and convince her followers to stay home because it doesnt matter anyway


This one pisses me off to no end. I'm sick and tired of the professional bloggers and paid internet people that go from site to site trying to promote Obama's agenda. What really annoys me (more than the obvious ones) are the subtle ones. Do they think we're stupid? I was on a pro-Hillary blog where one was trying to use subtle debate tactics to convince us Hillary was done and it was time to support Obama. Are you KIDDING ME?

Here's the thing: I do have some knowledge on how to combat this but it would require using tactics similar to theirs...which I'm against (or I have been up until this point). Ugh....what do you think?

[CGP]

This one pisses me off to no end. I'm sick and tired of the professional bloggers and paid internet people that go from site to site trying to promote Obama's agenda. What really annoys me (more than the obvious ones) are the subtle ones. Do they think we're stupid? I was on a pro-Hillary blog where one was trying to use subtle debate tactics to convince us Hillary was done and it was time to support Obama. Are you KIDDING ME?

Here's the thing: I do have some knowledge on how to combat this but it would require using tactics similar to theirs...which I'm against (or I have been up until this point). Ugh....what do you think?

I said it above. Their infection of the Internet is one of the things that disgusts me the most. So vile.

[ZY123]

I said it above. Their infection of the Internet is one of the things that disgusts me the most. So vile.

They (even the best prof. bloggers/internet trolls) always show themselves eventually or they do what I call the slow slide down the slippery slope. I just want to make sure people here that may not use the computer or Internet as much as we do see what's up with these things.

[CGP]

They (even the best prof. bloggers/internet trolls) always show themselves eventually or they do what I call the slow slide down the slippery slope. I just want to make sure people here that may not use the computer or Internet as much as we do see what's up with these things.

We have done some work "educating" people about "how to spot a concern troll"!! That is, how to spot the Obama-fan-imposter who poses as a "pro-hillary" fan but expresses "concerns" about her candidacy/campaign/approach. Whatever, they last about 5 minutes in here!

[ZY123]

We have done some work "educating" people about "how to spot a concern troll"!! That is, how to spot the Obama-fan-imposter who poses as a "pro-hillary" fan but expresses "concerns" about her candidacy/campaign/approach. Whatever, they last about 5 minutes in here!


hahaha.....take 'em down!


On the other topic - I'm annoyed enough with their Internet tactics I'm close to ready to take action out there.....I'm holding myself back from using their style of tactics....barely.

[Wales for Hillary]

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to. I also watched the 2 videos on the NO QUARTER link given earlier on this thread, and I didn't see the two women you point out. Duh, what am I missing (besides a few brain cells?)? :confused:

find the cbs link...its conclusive I promise you.

Me thinkee that Axelrod might have made it disappear

[Wales for Hillary]

Hillarmy,

Do not leave this man a leg to stand on after today. This is a crippling story that needs to be seen. Not to tell people how to vote, but to let them have a choice. We are not Axelrod, but we need to start fighting like he does.

Greta I am almost assured will pick this up. Her poll was hijacked and I can tell shes pissed by that. FOX now has it on thier website, and are waiting on public reaction before taking it to the airwaves.

CRIPPLE THIS PR1CK HOWEVER YOU CAN...or he and Axelrod will cripple our country

[david m]

go to emmyca threads and you'll find a list of all media and newspaper e-mails.i think its either or first or second page. i was a LITTLE ANGRY ABOUT MR OBAMA THAT I E-MAILED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND EVEN CALLED SOME NEWS OUTLETS LIKE AP, ABC AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND MUST BE ADDRESSED.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad

[LJSNAustin]

Here's the thing: I do have some knowledge on how to combat this but it would require using tactics similar to theirs...which I'm against (or I have been up until this point). Ugh....what do you think?

rigel, I'd be interested in hearing them, but do not want to violate the spirit and intent of this board per Murray's guidelines. If you would prefer to email me off-board, that's great.

[Wales for Hillary]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/17/politics/main4025215.shtml

a new angle...conclusive for me

[Peppermint Patty]

I kept calling to get through to ABC. I couldn't, so I went ahead and just sent the e-mails to George and Charles. In those e-mails I told them about Obama and the flipping off. I also told them about harassment on-line, caucus bullying, just a few things to help them get an idea of what it is like to be a hillary supporter out here with a candidate that flips of the former First Lady!!! His fans follow his lead!!! I mentioned it in both e-amils. I told them that by questioning the Prince and not handing him the crown, they are being viewed to be as bad as Hillary supporters! I hope they get the picture. I have been off looking up articles and digging, I was also rating pro-hill vids. The flip off vid has 2 different versions on youtube already!! I rated them because I want it to be seen by someone that can act as the squeeky wheel!! Make a big stink!!

This is the number for ABC News in NYC 212-456-7777
77 West 66th St.
NY 10023

Emails: easy to figure out, using the first and last name with a dot in between and the @abc.com

So most likely we have: George.Stephanopoulos@abc.com

[Wales for Hillary]

Sorry guys Im not gonna let this go.....this man is 400 delegates from representing our party. Remember that this weekend while we work toward PA.

Watch 3 times.
1)watch Obama and listen to the reaction
2)watch the ladies on the left
3)watch the smiles on the 3 ladies on the right

YouTube - Barack Obama to Clinton Flips the Bird