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RAFREE
03-05-2008, 01:57 PM
We knew that the closer we got to the change we seek, the more we'd see of the politics we're trying to end -- the attacks and distortions that try to distract us from the issues that matter to people's lives, the stunts and the tactics that ask us to fear instead of hope.
But this time -- this year -- it will not work. The challenges are too great. The stakes are too high.
Americans need real change.
In the coming weeks, we will begin a great debate about the future of this country with a man who has served it bravely and loves it dearly. And we will offer two very different visions of the America we see in the twenty-first century.
John McCain has already dismissed our call for change as eloquent but empty.
I don't know why they insist on calling that phone ad an "attack" ad, the media has picked up on that wording but, the Canadian press called it "Brilliant" and "effective" and "a legitimate question"
They didn't even mention Obama's answer to it at all.
You sure get a different idea here...the U.S. MSM just spins EVERYTHING.
Just because Obama says that is an "attack" doesn't make it so AND if he can't even take that without getting ruffled then how on earth will he take the scrutiny of the republicans OR the White House???
VoteSmart
03-05-2008, 02:50 PM
RAFREE - any chance you have the link for your Canadian media reference below?
You are on point with his implications and word choice; his camp follow his competitive banter to the letter, thus they believe the inflection & accuracy of word or phrasing. We know better and should align to prove such.
Curious to know everyone's thoughts on this segment of Obama's March-4 speech:
Obama comments that, despite his higher number of current delegates, he doesn't understand Why Clinton doesn't concede. Yet he then mentions that Clinton only proceeded on to March-4 primary, as she holds an advantage in these states....ISN'T THAT THE IDEA?? :confused: :eek:
Once again, let's continue to stay strong & make further penetration into the REMAINING voices of the country. And can we once again remind Obama that a mere 3% lead with total delegates to date does not make him the only obvious contender? Would Obama drop now, or even before March-4, if the numbers were reversed? We know what he would say Today.....his hindsight is a remarkable 20/20. :rolleyes:
We knew that the closer we got to the change we seek, the more we'd see of the politics we're trying to end -- the attacks and distortions that try to distract us from the issues that matter to people's lives, the stunts and the tactics that ask us to fear instead of hope.
But this time -- this year -- it will not work. The challenges are too great. The stakes are too high.
Americans need real change.
In the coming weeks, we will begin a great debate about the future of this country with a man who has served it bravely and loves it dearly. And we will offer two very different visions of the America we see in the twenty-first century.
John McCain has already dismissed our call for change as eloquent but empty.
Once again we see Obama PROJECTING everything he is doing onto others, as they though are doing it. This quote from the man who has engaged in the most negative of campaigns, riding to fame through sexist male privilege and racist slander against the Clintons. I have ZERO interest in the "change" he promotes - a change to what? A change to a society where recognition of social inequality and injustice is completely overlooked? No-one is trying to distract Obama through "attacks & distortion"! Scrutinizing, critiquing and asking questions is a highly legitimate practice and if Obama can't take it, he should get of this race now. If he cannot confidently defend his views and positions (whatever these are as they seem to change like the wind) he should stop right now.
Obama comments that, despite his higher number of current delegates, he doesn't understand Why Clinton doesn't concede. Yet he then mentions that Clinton only proceeded on to March-4 primary, as she holds an advantage in these states....ISN'T THAT THE IDEA?? :confused: :eek:
His comments are narcissistic, arrogant and completely irrational. Such negativity from the self-acclaimed man of change and positivity! He's just lost 2 major states (Texas, Ohio) - his only defense is to resort to the same old style of narcissistic attacks we have seen throughout the entire campaign. And he is so arrogant to think that just because he says Clinton should concede, she will. Not a chance. As I write this I am once again rethinking my comments earlier about tolerating him as VP for the sake of satisfying his supporters. I don't know whether I can. His arrogance, insincerity and dishonesty offend me deeply!
RAFREE
03-05-2008, 03:15 PM
Hi, Voter the comments were from a CBC reporter who was on the ground in TEXAS yesterday and reporting live to CBC news! They said that "She makes an excellent point with that phone ad, it was brilliant really." They made passing mention that Obama had answered her ad but, basically referred to it as a "copy " of hers. They brought up her phone ad three or four times and only mentioned his one time with NO positive spin in his favor.
And yes he is projecting. I was talking to my sister and the biggest thing that we both said is that if he thinks THAT is an attack, and a fear ad *which I don't think it is, it makes a legitimate point* then how on EARTH will he stand up against what the republican machine will do to him.
The media has done him NO favors by hand holding him. They say they are starting to question him more but, it's NOTHING to what she has had to face up to. They keep letting him get away with answering their questions about HIM with a comment or question about HER. DEFLECTING BLAME and attention away from YOUR own accountability. ALSO a narcissists playbook tactic!!!!
They keep letting him get away with answering their questions about HIM with a comment or question about HER. DEFLECTING BLAME and attention away from YOUR own accountability. ALSO a narcissists playbook tactic!!!!
WE'VE GOT THIS ONE WORKED OUT!
It's truly infuriating watching him in action...uncontrolled narcissism...accepting NIL responsibility...BLAMING everyone else for HIS flaws...very, very unattractive!
Fyrefoxxe
03-05-2008, 05:15 PM
I just never cease to wonder at how Obama constantly attacks and bashes Hillary, often in a sidewinder fasion, not refering to her personally, but railing about how HE doesn't want to go backwards. How he wants to see things get better for the poor. How he wants to end the war in Iraq. He wants things to change, one assumes for the better.
He wants "change." "Change." "Change."
With each of these slogans, he is implying that somehow Hillary doesn't want these same things. Hillary doesn't want things to change? Hillary wants things to stay as they are?
Please, get real. If she didn't care about the American people, she wouldn't be out there taking all this unfair, biased abuse when she could be sitting back enjoying thr fruits of her past work. She could be leading a life of ease and comfort. Instead, she's out there slugging away for us, we the people of America.
I trust and respect Hillary, more all the time because she keeps fighting and she does so with such grace and such incredible determination. Look at all the other candidates who have dropped out.
In my recollection, the 90's were pretty darned good old days. It's been the past eight years, under GOP rule, that has nearly ruined this country. I'm tired of seeing Hillary held responsible for all that the Bush/Cheney administration, while at the same time, her opponents claim she has no experience?
How stupid do they think we voters are?
They can't have it both ways, no matter how much that might suit them.
How stupid do they think we voters are?
I would change that to how stupid does OBAMA thank we voters are. The very fact that he is willing to peddle these ridiculous claims just goes to show what contempt and disrespect he has for both Hillary Clinton and the general public. His arrogance is on display 24/7. His campaign and candidacy is rooted in negativity and misrepresentation. These days I can't even bear to listen to him talk as it's not possible to know if anything he says is true. He is a master of propaganda, misinformation and distortion and his belief that the public will fall for his dishonesty is the height of arrogance. It infuriates me when I see someone (Obama) so willing to try and deceive people.
Fyrefoxxe
03-05-2008, 05:22 PM
His comments are narcissistic, arrogant and completely irrational. Such negativity from the self-acclaimed man of change and positivity! He's just lost 2 major states (Texas, Ohio) - his only defense is to resort to the same old style of narcissistic attacks we have seen throughout the entire campaign. And he is so arrogant to think that just because he says Clinton should concede, she will. Not a chance. As I write this I am once again rethinking my comments earlier about tolerating him as VP for the sake of satisfying his supporters. I don't know whether I can. His arrogance, insincerity and dishonesty offend me deeply!
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You are so on the mark. I have many friends who like Obama, and I once thought maybe a Clinton/Obama ticket might be a good idea, bring the party together. The more I learn about Obama, the less I think of him. I don't think I could ever vote for him for president, and don't even like the idea of this guy on the Clinton ticket. It's sad too, because I origianally thought he was OK and wanted to like him. He just wont let me. I just plain don't trust him, period.
It's sad too, because I origianally thought he was OK and wanted to like him. He just wont let me. I just plain don't trust him, period.
I "liked" him too momentarily. Now I do not trust him 1%. See below for what "turned me off" Obama:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=421
SantaCruzen
03-05-2008, 08:12 PM
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You are so on the mark. I have many friends who like Obama, and I once thought maybe a Clinton/Obama ticket might be a good idea, bring the party together. The more I learn about Obama, the less I think of him. I don't think I could ever vote for him for president, and don't even like the idea of this guy on the Clinton ticket. It's sad too, because I origianally thought he was OK and wanted to like him. He just wont let me. I just plain don't trust him, period.
All I can console your with is this old cliche:
Keep your enemies close.
So, you can see them.
Tongue in cheek, mildly I state, Obama is like one of the Senators on Ides of March, posing as a Liberator yet really he is another Emperor Without Clothes Clones.
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