View Full Version : Obama supporters DO NOT believe we will NOT VOTE FOR HIM in the general
Wyoming Dem
04-18-2008, 08:04 PM
Spent an interesting day online. (Have been incredibly ill so not as much as usual...) On some of the "general" sites, ie; no particular candidate or persuasion, I have posted my thoughts about being unwilling to ever support Mr. Obama and stated that there were thousands who feel the way I do. The Obama supports seem to REALLY believe we will come around. I guess I am going to have to start indluding some of the Pro CLinton sites so they can read the bad news for themselves.
WV4Hillary
04-18-2008, 08:07 PM
No...I think they should keep thinking that. If Obama somehow manages to steal this election, I don't want them to all think "Hillary supporters voted against him out of spite!" and then if Hillary ever runs again...do the same thing to us. We can vote for McCain..but nothing loud...no grand statements...I want them to think he lost because he sucks, not because Hillary supporters voted against him.
cowymom
04-18-2008, 08:12 PM
they must be day dreaming. i don't care if hillary gives me half of her paycheck, am still not going to support him.
Annie
04-18-2008, 08:13 PM
Spent an interesting day online. (Have been incredibly ill so not as much as usual...) On some of the "general" sites, ie; no particular candidate or persuasion, I have posted my thoughts about being unwilling to ever support Mr. Obama and stated that there were thousands who feel the way I do. The Obama supports seem to REALLY believe we will come around. I guess I am going to have to start indluding some of the Pro CLinton sites so they can read the bad news for themselves.
Give them the facts - the facts on Rezko - Ayers - Auchi - Khalidi - Odingo - All good enough reasons not to vote for this man - in fact I don't get why the CIA and FBI aren't doing something about this. maybe they are...oh forgot the anti-american Wright - he is the least of it.
One of many articles - Link:
Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310
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Digg me for Hill here: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/AFRICAN_AMERICAN_COMMUNITY_LEADERS_IN_PA_SUPPORT_H ILLARY_CL
swannyj
04-18-2008, 08:28 PM
Annie, I'm with you. I don't understand how he could get security clearance.
JJ4Hillary
04-18-2008, 08:46 PM
i say give them this site.:D So they can see that we will never vote for him.:p
Santiago
04-18-2008, 08:49 PM
Never!
Catherine
04-18-2008, 08:49 PM
I've been a life long democrat - never voted republican in a presidential election. If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, I'm voting for the other straight-talking, experienced candidate in this race - John McCain. I'd be incredibly let down if Clinton isn't the nominee - I'm a 50 something woman who believes she is the only woman I'll see in my lifetime who has a chance - and the qualifications to win. But, I'm also a centrist Democrat and I believe that McCain is not an ideologue.
It's interesting that in prior elections, I may have had a preference going into the primaries, but always felt I could convincingly support the eventual nominee - in fact, the primaries gave me that opportunity to learn more about each candidate, kind of "kick the tires" so to speak. What I wasn't prepared for in this race though was Obama's campaign "kicking the candidate".
My antipathy for him started with Michelle Obama's famous comment about Clinton "if she can't run her own house.........." Since when have democrats engaged in character assassinations of fellow democrats. And, The DNC standing by while TEAMOBAMA attacked the Clinton administration - the only democratic administration to be re-elected to a full eight year term in almost 50 years. How can that be good for the Democratic Party?
I've already changed my party affiliation from Democrat to Independent. I'm sending my letter to the DNC this weekend. I'll post it here too.
Artists4Hillary
04-18-2008, 08:50 PM
All they have to do is look at the %. It's right there for anyone to see. I think 29 % will vote for McCain over Obama, with 19 or 16% over Hillary. Not really sure about the numbers, but there is a large margin.
mjno7777
04-18-2008, 08:54 PM
AT the rate OBAMA is screwing up, he will never make it to the general election. By that time, a lot more crap will come to the forefront. He will get the message ONLY if he loses PA BIG TIME.
Bella
04-18-2008, 08:56 PM
I would 110% vote for McCain over snObama. I think snObama is a smug a$$hole who is running only for power and to have people cheer and bow at his feet.
He can't even function without his cult cheering and clapping. That was OBVIOUS during the ABC debate. Any staged faintings lately?
kpmom
04-18-2008, 08:56 PM
Also, do they not realize how angry many dems are about the Fl/MI situation?
And if they are true Dems, why are they not just as angry?
I would rather have my preferred candidate lose than have some fellow dems cut out of the voting process.
lalene
04-18-2008, 09:43 PM
"I did not leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me."
The way the DNC handled the MI/FL situation disgusts me. There should be NO REASON at ALL to disenfranchise millions of voters. What disgusts me even more is how Obama pretends he wants the votes to count. He's a total fake.
I am voting for McCain because I do believe that republicans can solve problems. They just have a different way of looking at things. What really matters is the leader and I think McCain is a far more honest man than UhBama.
SunnyInCal
04-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I saw somewhere today, but didn't bother to post it because I didn't know if it would violate the pro hillary rules, Obama himself was giving a speech and said that the democratic party will pull together.. his words were closer to that then the regular line I heard of us coming back to the fold
I've been a life long democrat - never voted republican in a presidential election. If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, I'm voting for the other straight-talking, experienced candidate in this race - John McCain. I'd be incredibly let down if Clinton isn't the nominee - I'm a 50 something woman who believes she is the only woman I'll see in my lifetime who has a chance - and the qualifications to win. But, I'm also a centrist Democrat and I believe that McCain is not an ideologue.
It's interesting that in prior elections, I may have had a preference going into the primaries, but always felt I could convincingly support the eventual nominee - in fact, the primaries gave me that opportunity to learn more about each candidate, kind of "kick the tires" so to speak. What I wasn't prepared for in this race though was Obama's campaign "kicking the candidate".
My antipathy for him started with Michelle Obama's famous comment about Clinton "if she can't run her own house.........." Since when have democrats engaged in character assassinations of fellow democrats. And, The DNC standing by while TEAMOBAMA attacked the Clinton administration - the only democratic administration to be re-elected to a full eight year term in almost 50 years. How can that be good for the Democratic Party?
I've already changed my party affiliation from Democrat to Independent. I'm sending my letter to the DNC this weekend. I'll post it here too.
Yikes--it's uncanny how much you speak for me! The only difference with me is that I disliked Obama from the outset. It was the cadence of his speechifying that did it, with Michelle's hateful comment sealing the Nobama deal forever and ever, amen!
I was a delegate for Hillary here in NV last weekend, after which I ripped my Dem. voting card. Moving next month to another part of town, and reregistering as an independent.
Anyway, I'm with you and the others here who won't be bamboozled. Maybe good citizens are the ones who sacrifice or delay their own self-interest (Dem. policies and programs) for the sake of the country as a whole?
Hmm...country over self-interests... I'll have to remember that and use it as a retort to the Obamasnots should it be necessary, God forbid, in the G.E.
Soaring Eagle
04-18-2008, 10:05 PM
I cannot and will not vote for Obama. How can i possibly vote for someone i don't believe in? It just does not make sense.
Morgan
04-18-2008, 10:19 PM
They can hide and wait, but I could never, ever forgive myself if I voted for Obama.
I vote the straight Democratic ticket, and in order to do that this time, it has to be Hillery.
HillWill
04-18-2008, 10:21 PM
No...I think they should keep thinking that. If Obama somehow manages to steal this election, I don't want them to all think "Hillary supporters voted against him out of spite!" and then if Hillary ever runs again...do the same thing to us. We can vote for McCain..but nothing loud...no grand statements...I want them to think he lost because he sucks, not because Hillary supporters voted against him.
That's an excellent point. i agree.
RachachaSharon
04-18-2008, 10:28 PM
All they have to do is look at the %. It's right there for anyone to see. I think 29 % will vote for McCain over Obama, with 19 or 16% over Hillary. Not really sure about the numbers, but there is a large margin.
I believe the number of Hillary supporters that will not vote for Obama is much larger than reported.
HRH Jorge
04-18-2008, 10:30 PM
as sad as it is to confess, I have to agree with Sen. Lieberman (I know most people are upset with him for backing McCain- rightfully so- but he still votes Party line except for Iraq issues)
Lieberman said sometime ago "The democratic party today is not the party it was in 2000" I agree! Gore won in 2000 - The party understood the values needed to lead the U.S. in the right direction. Now it's all about the extreme liberal left - no matter the cost to the nation.
I would rather vote for McCain than Obama- but hopefully will just sit out 2008 if Obama gets the nom.
HRH
NotBamboozled
04-18-2008, 10:35 PM
I've gone from indifference in an Obama-McCain race to hoping Barry loses. I'll be voting McCain if he's nominated.
Borlah
04-18-2008, 10:37 PM
The way the DNC handled the MI/FL situation disgusts me. There should be NO REASON at ALL to disenfranchise millions of voters. What disgusts me even more is how Obama pretends he wants the votes to count. He's a total fake
I say every time there is a public gathering of Obama supporters someone should stand in the middle of them with a sign that says "COUNT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA" and see how they react.
ssmith
04-18-2008, 10:41 PM
hillary all the way...or else I'll for against obama (mccain)...
I feel mccain at least loves this country... obama is only running to help obama
candyrose9460
04-18-2008, 10:42 PM
i wll never vote for obama........................never!
HRH Jorge
04-18-2008, 10:53 PM
That a good reasoning- I had a difficult time comming to terms with potentially voting for McCain but I might just do so.
HRH
PuppyDogMom
04-18-2008, 10:59 PM
i say give them this site.:D So they can see that we will never vote for him.:p
Agreed...and I would add to that, so they can see what integrity looks like, and what "nice" looks like, ... do I need to go on?
Charlie Brown
04-18-2008, 11:04 PM
These are the same people that think he's the Messiah....:D
Hoosier
04-18-2008, 11:08 PM
I will vote for McCain if Hillary does not get the nomination.
Mom4Hillary
04-18-2008, 11:08 PM
No...I think they should keep thinking that. If Obama somehow manages to steal this election, I don't want them to all think "Hillary supporters voted against him out of spite!" and then if Hillary ever runs again...do the same thing to us. We can vote for McCain..but nothing loud...no grand statements...I want them to think he lost because he sucks, not because Hillary supporters voted against him.
I so agree with this tactic. It's really not about sour grapes if Hillary loses. It's about not being willing to turn our precious, hurting country over to a guy who is immature and not proven to be able to make wise choices. McCain, unbelieveable as it sounds, is a better choice if it's between him and Obama.
hipelayne
04-18-2008, 11:11 PM
My antipathy for him started with Michelle Obama's famous comment about Clinton "if she can't run her own house.........." Since when have democrats engaged in character assassinations of fellow democrats. And, The DNC standing by while TEAMOBAMA attacked the Clinton administration - the only democratic administration to be re-elected to a full eight year term in almost 50 years. How can that be good for the Democratic Party?
That was about the same time I started to doubt Obama .... I could not believe that comment - and of course, according to their camp she was mis-interpreted, she didn't really mean to say what she said!
Jayling
04-18-2008, 11:16 PM
/mod hat on
merged similar topics together...
Molly
04-18-2008, 11:23 PM
I will never vote for Obama! If obama steals the nomination by blocking FL & MI votes - I will have to look to the GOP for my candidate of Change!
I have been a Democrat all my life - but - will not support Obama and his group!
YesSheCan
04-18-2008, 11:36 PM
Spent an interesting day online. (Have been incredibly ill so not as much as usual...) On some of the "general" sites, ie; no particular candidate or persuasion, I have posted my thoughts about being unwilling to ever support Mr. Obama and stated that there were thousands who feel the way I do. The Obama supports seem to REALLY believe we will come around. I guess I am going to have to start indluding some of the Pro CLinton sites so they can read the bad news for themselves.
I think this question is raised by the BO people and they get Hillary supporters to start thinking about it because they are trying to make us insecure.
But the question, really, is moot because our having to be faced with this situation is unlikely to occur. Hillary will win the nomination. She will be the next president of the U.S. So really the question is: will Obama supporters vote for Hillary. This is what we need to get them to assure us of.
Wyoming Dem
04-18-2008, 11:46 PM
Okay, I changed my mind. I keep forgetting about Nadar. Hell, I'd vote for him as there sure is not any risk of him getting elected as we all know. that would make me feel better than voting for McCain.
Linda C
04-19-2008, 12:15 AM
I am not going to worry about the what ifs until the what ifs happen.
As a lesbian, I cannot vote republican. Gone through too much especially living in Ohio.
Annie
04-19-2008, 12:22 AM
Annie, I'm with you. I don't understand how he could get security clearance.
Exactly. :( Also I am still curious about the whole passport issue...wonder if it was the CIA.... I am positive something big is going to come up just hoping it is before the general. Google him his real name is Mubarack etc.
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mkreyns
04-19-2008, 12:37 AM
Annie, I'm with you. I don't understand how he could get security clearance.
That has been my argument the whole time! I have comments on another thread here that are very detailed about why I thought he could not get a top security clearance. It was moved to the BO section on the first page of the forum.
SantaCruzen
04-19-2008, 12:40 AM
Look at what those scum bags did:
http://hillaryclinton.promotowne.info/index.php?page=news&seed=pa%20democratic%20debate&keyword=Barack%20Obama&pic=Clinton&subid=0123_0417POLAdg05&country=us
They are so desperate that they have to place buttons on the net to fish for more koolaid drinkers.
YesSheCan
04-19-2008, 01:00 AM
just answer them by saying that Hillary will be the nominee and the next president and that you feel certain that all democrats will vote for her.
endodoc79
04-19-2008, 01:12 AM
I am confident that Senator Clinton will win big in PA and that will propel her toward the nomination at a very exciting convention in Denver. It is at the end of te summer vacation and we usually travel out West and somehow I predict my rental car will be driving toward Denver and a big block party when Hillary wins. Remember what Murray said, at this website we get to dictate positive dialogue - so get any negative thoughts out of your head - they waste energy and are unproductive.
nette60
04-19-2008, 01:16 AM
I so agree with this tactic. It's really not about sour grapes if Hillary loses. It's about not being willing to turn our precious, hurting country over to a guy who is immature and not proven to be able to make wise choices. McCain, unbelieveable as it sounds, is a better choice if it's between him and Obama.
If they count all the votes and she loses I will consider voting for the nominee..if they don;t count the votes I will vote for McCain.
Talves1950
04-19-2008, 01:21 AM
Nobama, no way!
Musicdude
04-19-2008, 01:27 AM
From Rasmussen 4-18-08
(If Hillary is not the nominee) Just 68% of Democrats say they would vote for Obama against McCain. Twenty-three percent (23%) would vote for the Republican, 5% for a third-party option, and 4% are undecided.
I won't vote for Obama under any circumstance. This particular election has become more than just getting the best person in Office, Hillary, it is also about protecting the Office from the worst possible candidate.
MaryKay
04-19-2008, 02:21 AM
For us in Florida whose votes don't count, McCain is not a bad option. We kind of like the fact that the conservatives hate him, so it's kind of like getting to screw the GOP and the DNC at the same time.
However, I'm not giving up on Hillary!
skc1976
04-19-2008, 02:32 AM
I have to say, IF Hillary is not the nominee, I will definitely NOT vote for Barack Obama. In fact, I will draft a letter to Howard Dean and let him know that not only will I NOT vote for this man, but I will vote for John McCain, and I will do everything in my power to cost him as many votes as possible here in Virginia. The way the DNC has treated Hillary is uncalled for. It's a good thing we don't have to register to a party because I would be an Independent now. And I'm more than happy to split my ticket between voting for John McCain and Mark Warner for the Senate here.
Christines
04-19-2008, 02:57 AM
Others have told me that I am perceptive. I have not trusted Obama from the beginning. There was something about the way he spoke and his manner that turned me off. I felt that he was not to be trusted. When I said this over a year ago, my friends and relatives couldn't understand it. As I did the research it became more and more apparent to me that I was right.
I get frustrated because it doesn't seem to matter what Obama does, he seems to get away with it. People look at him in a cult-like way and refuse to accept his flaws. That's why he can give Hillary such an obscene gesture, because he feels that it doesn't matter. He will smile and give those smirks and the masses will nod and smile back. He is so arrogant and such an ego maniac that he feels he can do whatever he wants and no one will call him on it. I feel that underneath it all he is a coward and manipulator. He is
afraid and has made many mistakes and is lacking in good judgement. He is dangerous for this country.
On the other hand, Hillary really believes and wants to make this country a better place for us and our children. She means what she says!
movingtous
04-19-2008, 03:22 AM
they must be day dreaming. i don't care if hillary gives me half of her paycheck, am still not going to support him.
For half of Hillary's paycheck? I just might be tempted to vote for Obama. Then, I'd move to Europe for the next four years while you guys grit your teeth here in America every time he gives a speech. The speech of all speeches; each one more lovely than the other.
mcgowan.swan
04-19-2008, 03:52 AM
voting democratic if hillary does not get the nomination is very dangerous. the positions obama is presenting are not what he will do if he gets elected. mccain is a moderate maverick in the republican party. he will cross lines and he is thoroughly american. even if hillary says vote for him, what else could she say? does not mean she means it. the man is dangerous. i voted for kerry even though i did not want him. he was not my choice for nomination. but this election is different. obama is not just a candidate i dont care for, he is a fascist communist thinker, and far far to the left. all the issues he has are issues of national security and he scares the hell out of me. staying home and not voting will put him in the white house. we must not let that happen for any reason. vote for mccain or nader, but do not vote for obama. please.
ILLHillGuy
04-19-2008, 04:20 AM
I tell you one thing. NEVER.
I would vote Mccain..or not vote.
elizabeth
04-19-2008, 04:28 AM
From Rasmussen 4-18-08
I won't vote for Obama under any circumstance. This particular election has become more than just getting the best person in Office, Hillary, it is also about protecting the Office from the worst possible candidate.
Me too, If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I will definitely vote for McCain
elizabeth
04-19-2008, 04:33 AM
I certainly will not vote for Obama. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I will vote for McCain because he would be a better choice than Obama.
elizabeth
04-19-2008, 04:57 AM
I will not vote for Obama if Hillary doesn't get the nomination. We can't afford to have another inexperienced president especially one like Obama.
pnevai
04-19-2008, 05:06 AM
For us in Florida whose votes don't count, McCain is not a bad option. We kind of like the fact that the conservatives hate him, so it's kind of like getting to screw the GOP and the DNC at the same time.
However, I'm not giving up on Hillary!
What they said ^
underpaidnurse
04-19-2008, 09:22 AM
Well I did my part the morning of the first day of early voting here in NC to make sure we never have to face that decision. Go Hillary, we got some good feedback, more than I was expecting when we were passing out signs and holding our Honk for Hillary signs up at the intersections in downtown Raleigh.
On the subject of Obama, McCain, simply not a possibility of Barak. People in the democratic party have tried to talk me out of my stance, but to me this is a vote on principals. Obama does not have the type of principals that I expect in a president. I will probably write in Hillary's name. Not that we will ahve to worry about it, Barak obviously is not able to close the deal on his own. Hillary is a powerhouse, smart and strategic. I have faith, you all need to keep the faith as well!
ssmith
04-19-2008, 11:07 AM
Add Me And My 11 Friends To The List... We Only Vote Hillary....if Not Hillary, Then Mccain... Hamas Endorsement, Ayers, Wrigth...too Much Radicalism And Antiamericanism For Us To Vote Obama
Brooke
04-19-2008, 11:13 AM
I have said for MONTHS that I will NOT be voting for Obama. I keep getting mail from him and I throw it in the trash saying "I'm not voting for you on the 22nd or in November"
Last week I realized that Election Day falls on November 4th, which is the anniversary of my Israeli poltical hero, Yitzhak Rabin's assassination. Now let me think, will I walk into the voting booth and pull the lever for a guy associated with Hamas, who will destroy everything Rabin worked for? I don't f***ing think so!
Tea toaD
04-19-2008, 11:24 AM
No Obama:mad: I know for a fact if Hillary doesn't get the nod I will vote McCain. I equate Obama to G.Dubya in way of self arrogant and Dubya's piss-ant mentality. Can you imagaine if Obama got in how the Supreme Court will be full of radicals, and the cabinet positions will be filled with his flunkies. Oh no...way to scary. NO Obama ever. You think he is arragant now...oh boy just the vision is to awful to imagine:eek:
thebword
04-19-2008, 11:46 AM
I would do a write in ballot for Sen. Hillary Clinton unless that would ensure enough votes out of play to give Obama the election, then I would vote for Sen. McCain.
Here's another idea for a dream ticket. Since both Sen. Clinton and Sen. McCain are moderates in their parties they are not that far apart politically, and both have worked together successfully. They could unite to defeat Obama for the common good. How about a McCain and Clinton ticket?
Bloomer
04-19-2008, 12:07 PM
My vote is mine and mine alone to cast and I cannot in good faith or concious vote for the likes of Obama. It is most definitely a morals and values problem for me and I will not go against my own principals and instincts.
I will not.......not vote, as this is a vote for Obama.
I will not....... write anyone in, as this is a vote for Obama also.
I will.............Oh.....man......God, please forgive me......vote for Mc...McCai....oh, you know who I mean...that old guy. :(
If...... I absolutely have to do it.
BECAUSE...........this is a for sure a vote AGAINST Obama.
I also like pnevai's idea of screwing the GOP and DNC all at the same time.
Good analogy there. ;)
skc1976
04-19-2008, 12:21 PM
Sadly, Clinton wouldn't cross party lines to join a GOP ticket. Just like she wouldn't go against the party and run as an Independent. It's a shame given what the DNC has done to her.
swannyj
04-19-2008, 12:38 PM
I know I will not vote for Obama, no question about that. But, I can't see casting a vote for McCain, I thought I could but when I read about where he stands on the issues I just can't. So we must all dig in so we are not faced with this decision!
Viktoriya
04-19-2008, 12:41 PM
I just more and more convinced that DEM party is in big crisis. If they will give it to OB because of delegate lead is not smart move. His supporters not even “true” democrats. So, he basically doesn’t have party support. It is why I am living Dem party in June (I am in Oregon and want to mail my ballot for Hillary) but after that I am independent. I also will vote against Obama (if God forbid, he will be nominee). I don’t care it will McCain in that point (we can survive 4 more years and I don’t think that McCain is on mission to destroy this country).
I just want to make sure that such behavior is not reworded.
Karee Wyoming
04-19-2008, 12:46 PM
Another dem that will never vote for King -Obama in the GE, if he is the nominee I will vote for McCain & leave the party for good, I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime of voting, Between, Howard Dean, the DNC & the biased MSM this has been a set-up against HC from the beginning. They simply do not want a woman in the whitehouse, every woman in the US should be outraged if they have been paying attention. I am retired and a political junkie and certainly know unfairness when I see it.
I truly believe Dean has no intention of ever counting any of Fla & Mich delegates or popular votes for Hillary. He is running out the clock and calling for SD to make up thier minds now, hoping that at the end of up-coming primaries O-bama will still be ahead in pledged delegates and popular votes and the remaining SD will flock to him and he wil be declared the nominee & then Dean will break his neck to seat Fla & Mich at the convention. I certainly hope HC will not let this happen if she has to take this all the way to credentials commitee & the convention floor (Party be dammed -H.Dean has split this party in half anyway)
We all know tha O-Bama never wanted a re-vote in Mich & Fla (He thinks we are all stupid) because he knew damm well she would either catch up with him or surpass) I only pray that Fla & Mich voters see this & never vote for him in GE - I will keep praying for Hillary and sending donations.
Count me in with all those voting for McCain if Obamination is the nominee. Those who think we won't are probably convinced that Jim Morrison is still alive and the moon is made of blue cheese.
kids1627
04-19-2008, 01:15 PM
He has to many ties to people I dislike the Weatherman Wright etc.and he is arrogant he reminds me of Bush
Bella
04-19-2008, 01:43 PM
I Hillary tells me to vote for him I will. Hillary as fought her whole life to stop people like McCain. I would not insult her by voting for McCain unless she says to.
IF Hillary doesn't get the nom, she will support whoever is the nominee because she is party not person. WE have a choice to vote party or person and this chickadee will be voting person if snObamana is the nominee!
I've fought against him and his brown shirt types for 8 years since they stole the election from Al Gore. I will NEVER EVER vote for His Smugness and therefore giving a pass to all the crap they have done, the strong-arming of his jackbooted supporters trying to silence and shut down anyone that says one bad thing about their leader. I will never support them, give them a pass or vote for the person and cult following that is the cause of all this garbage.
The media will not pick the nominee or President for me. I will not hold my nose and vote for Barack Obama just because he is party. He is far left anyway and McCain is more of a moderate than he is.
I have too much self respect to just forget the last 15 months and forgive not only Obama, but also the DNC. It's Hillary for me. If not Hillary. ANYBODY BUT OBAMA.
kpmom
04-19-2008, 01:51 PM
For us in Florida whose votes don't count, McCain is not a bad option. We kind of like the fact that the conservatives hate him, so it's kind of like getting to screw the GOP and the DNC at the same time.
However, I'm not giving up on Hillary!
Isn't it funny, MaryKay, I read a quote on another site that said the fact that the far right and the far left can't stand McCain makes him fairly attractive to the majority of us who are somewhere in the middle.
But, like you, our girl ain't out of it! Go Hillary!
shadow
04-19-2008, 02:08 PM
So you people that will vote for McCain also want Obama supporters to vote for McCain when Hillary wins popular vote and gets the SD votes?
Seriously, please answer this question, can Hillary win the election if Obama supporters act like you are acting?
Because when Hillary wins I don't want any of us complaining when Obama supporters say the same thing.
The OB people have been saying the same thing all along. But, their reasons are not the same. They say they won't vote for "that damn woman", "or because "they hate that woman".
I will never vote for OB. But my reason is because he scares me to death. I will vote for the best person for the job. If not hillary, then John Mccain.
Tea toaD
04-19-2008, 02:20 PM
Even Obama's own wife said she would have to think about voting for Hillary:o Nice, real nice. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I'm still voting for McCain if Hillary doesn't win. Whether Hillary can win without Obama's supporters vote, I don't know. I only know what I will do.
mrkalbo
04-19-2008, 02:33 PM
Spent an interesting day online. (Have been incredibly ill so not as much as usual...) On some of the "general" sites, ie; no particular candidate or persuasion, I have posted my thoughts about being unwilling to ever support Mr. Obama and stated that there were thousands who feel the way I do. The Obama supports seem to REALLY believe we will come around. I guess I am going to have to start indluding some of the Pro CLinton sites so they can read the bad news for themselves.
You can count on me will never vote for Obama even Hillary said she'll help elect a DEM if she not the nominee. I just hope that most if not all of her supporters particularly in this forum will feel the same way as I do.
America can no longer endure another "intern" much more with a questionable character in the White house. I think it's much safer for the country to vote for an old timer like McCain at least we're sure of his unquestionable patriotism, integrity and character.
Well, It's like going into the Kentucky derby where we place our bet on a horse with a familiar and proven breed.
Karee Wyoming
04-19-2008, 03:35 PM
I will never vote for Obama! If obama steals the nomination by blocking FL & MI votes - I will have to look to the GOP for my candidate of Change!
I have been a Democrat all my life - but - will not support Obama and his group!
Will MSNBC stop at nothing to get this O-Boma elected - I am watching this (Brian Williams as narrater) telling the story of David Wilson who traced his slave ancestors all the way - visting North Carolina plantation (white owner today) who is also named David Wilson - He then visits Africa and show where all the slaves were held & shipped to America and how angry they still are today,
It just seems so strange that they are making this documentry now and feeding it to the american public. I guess we will all have to pay for this the rest of our life - ( A conservation about race) Ti-Ki Barber was the host
Charlie Brown
04-19-2008, 03:51 PM
So you people that will vote for McCain also want Obama supporters to vote for McCain when Hillary wins popular vote and gets the SD votes?
Seriously, please answer this question, can Hillary win the election if Obama supporters act like you are acting?
Because when Hillary wins I don't want any of us complaining when Obama supporters say the same thing.
Complaining are you serious...They wont vote at all most of them are children...That dont know how hard life can be and the ones that do are on Hillarys side...a kid in College that has no idea how hard life is isnt imtimidating me or my family not for one minute...I know how these snots are my husband was a cop for 16 years and they are spoiled brats and the parents that cant say no by voting for this puke because there kids told then to should wake up and start being parents...This is our sacrifice if she doesnt win...Mccain has worked across party lines and he wont take down America like Obama plans on doing...Look at the division he has created already...No..I will never vote for this man and If Hillary is the nominee I hope she has brains enouph not to put him anywhere near the whitehouse..I dont think she will she may have to ask a AA though but there are plenty of good AA men and women out there. Besides this creep.
joeysky18
04-19-2008, 04:32 PM
Although we have differences on what would be our second choice,
But we all agree on our first choice. It's Senator Clinton.
So let's stop wasting our time arguing on the second choice,
Let's work hard and make sure that we will achieve our first choice.
Madam President.
shadow
04-19-2008, 04:42 PM
Although we have differences on what would be our second choice,
But we all agree on our first choice. It's Senator Clinton.
So let's stop wasting our time arguing on the second choice,
Let's work hard and make sure that we will achieve our first choice.
Madam President.
After all we have seen and heard in the last two weeks, I don't see how the DNC can even consider Ob now. Surely they won't sell out the party, and the country, by refusing to admit they made a mistake early on. Hopefully the remaining primaries will send a very clear message. Hillary can be the only right choice.
Annie
04-19-2008, 04:46 PM
For us in Florida whose votes don't count, McCain is not a bad option. We kind of like the fact that the conservatives hate him, so it's kind of like getting to screw the GOP and the DNC at the same time.
However, I'm not giving up on Hillary!
These are exactly my thoughts also. Also I feel that McCain would be nice to Hillary, he likes her and she likes him; whereas if Mubarack gets the title he will make sure she and Bill will suffer badly. Mu barack is vicious - it is coming out. He will have a mental note of all those people who came out against him.
Digg here - no press has mentioned it: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/AFRICAN_AMERICAN_COMMUNITY_LEADERS_IN_PA_SUPPORT_H ILLARY_CL
Wyoming Dem
04-19-2008, 04:51 PM
Karee girl, where in Wyo?
samkm
04-19-2008, 04:56 PM
What was that finger action again? With that one, you did it to yourself BO!
Karee Wyoming
04-30-2008, 11:35 AM
Karee girl, where in Wyo?
Sorry I am so late in answer - I am just now reading your post - I am not the greatest at scrolling the site but I am learning - I live in Cheyenne & am doing everything I can to help Hillary - I spend the winters in AZ so was not here to see Hillary & to help with the god awful cacuss (which I hate) according to some of my freinds people had to wait out in the cold for hours because they would only let so many in at a time, what a mess!~!! I hope we are making progress, I have donated & donated, voted in polls signed the petition to SD along with my comments. You & I both know this is pretty much a Republican state (I have never been able to figure out why?) But hopefully you and I can make a difference in other ways. I am donating another 200.00 today, I am so ticked off listening to another great speech by King O-Bama played over & over on the biased MSM - and of course they are all praising him to no end!!!! If Hillary is the nominee I plan on going to Denver for the convention, My oldest son lives thier and is a Republican, How about that.
hillary1
04-30-2008, 12:14 PM
Spent an interesting day online. (Have been incredibly ill so not as much as usual...) On some of the "general" sites, ie; no particular candidate or persuasion, I have posted my thoughts about being unwilling to ever support Mr. Obama and stated that there were thousands who feel the way I do. The Obama supports seem to REALLY believe we will come around. I guess I am going to have to start indluding some of the Pro CLinton sites so they can read the bad news for themselves.
yes, i'll be coming around the mountain to vote for OBAMA
IN A PIGS EYE, COME AROUND, ARE THEY AS STUPID AS THEY LOOK, DO ANY OF THEM ASK THIS MAN FOR SUBSTANCE, WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO, EVERYTIME, AGAIN LASTNIGHT, I DID NOT HEAR ONE WORD, NOT ONE WORD OF HOW HE IS GOING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS OF THIS NATION
MR. ELOGUENCE KEEPS NIT PICKING, "THEY SAY I LOVE WRIGHT", "THEY SAY I AM NOT A LEADER", WHO GIVES A RAT'S A**, IF YOU ARE PICKING UP THE PIECES AND STARTING FRESH, MAKE A STATEMENT OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO, INSTEAD OF THIS GARBAGE OF HOW YOU FEEL, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN HOW YOU FEEL
OBAMA YOU ARE USELESS, NO WONDER YOU CANNOT DEBATE, YOU ARE CLUELESS EXCEPT TO THE MEDIA A**WIPES WHO FOLLOW YOU AROUND AND THINK YOU ARE THE NEW TWINKLE TOES OF THE DEMS PARTY
IT APPEARS GWEN IFIL HAS LOST HER TWINKLE, AS SO MANY OTHERS HAVE IN REGARDS TO YOU OBAMA
OBAMA AND WRIGHT, WRIGHT AND OBAMA, TIED TO THE HIP FOREVER, AND DON'T THINK OTHERWISE PLEASE
OBAMA = WELFARE
HILLARY = JOBS, HEALTHCARE, TAXES, EDUCATION, IRAQ, IRAN
NYVIN4HILL08
04-30-2008, 06:48 PM
hopefully it won't come to that and hillary will win. but if the anti american racist gets shoved down our throat by the dnc and irrational and wrongful votes of the superdelegates, i will not only vote for john mccain (who has some democratic leanings anyway) i will support him and probably contribute to his campaign.
just to let these delegates and dnc know that they made a big mistake
i have been a lifelong democrat but in addition i will quit the dnc, register republican and vote to get republicans in office until hillary gets her rightful place in the whitehouse.
i will not sit on my hands or write-in hillary we cannot afford the chance that a lousy inexperienced nasty hateful politician like him get in office. hillary or john mccain are the only viable candidates for the presidency.
i dont care if hillary, bill or anyone else says to unify that man will never get my vote, especially because the way he treated hillary. i would support george bush over this liar.
obbama will never win the general election only hillary can
hillary 2008
LetsHelpAmerica
04-30-2008, 06:51 PM
I've said it the past three months now and I will say it again,
Nobama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will NOT vote for him!!!
Donald
04-30-2008, 06:57 PM
I am a hard core democrat. That being said I have thought long and hard about would I support Obama if he is the nominee. The answer I keep coming up with is no. I do not think he has what it takes to be a good President and feel his nomination will actually hurt the party. But most of my decision has been based on the media treatment of Hillary, the audacity of the Obama Campaign( not Obama himslef as much) and the hatred from the Obama supporters.
Then I thought, what if Hillary was on the ticket as his VP. Then I get more confused because I would want to cast a vote for Hillary, but not Obama. I would be a hypocrite if after June I jumped on the Obama wagon. I would most likely not vote....
But, my plan is I will be casting my vote, for Hillary to be our 44th President.
keys_11
04-30-2008, 07:11 PM
There was a time I would have voted for Obama in 4 or 8 years but now I will never vote for him. I will vote Republican every time he is on the ticket.
FLHillRodSupporter
04-30-2008, 09:55 PM
No Hillary, no vote from me! I refuse to vote for McCain or Obama. :mad:
BlackVelvet
05-04-2008, 12:51 AM
Give them the facts - the facts on Rezko - Ayers - Auchi - Khalidi - Odingo - All good enough reasons not to vote for this man - in fact I don't get why the CIA and FBI aren't doing something about this. maybe they are...oh forgot the anti-american Wright - he is the least of it.
One of many articles - Link:
Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310
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Digg me for Hill here: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/AFRICAN_AMERICAN_COMMUNITY_LEADERS_IN_PA_SUPPORT_H ILLARY_CL
Here's a little something for you:
(It only works right in Internet Explorer)
http://barackobamaassociates.info
Karee Wyoming
05-11-2008, 02:26 AM
Karee girl, where in Wyo?
Cheyenne - this is such a mess - i cant even sleep anymore - i spend most days on the forum and listening to all the crap on the biased MSM - I know I should turn it off but it just re-enforces that I will never vote for that radical O-Bama, I am praying Montana & S.Dakots do not follow Wyoming lead, but thank god they have normal primaries, not those god awful caucuss!!! Hillary may get a fair shake, I cant believe the Gov is going up to Montana to stump for OB - nobody including the news media (Article in Cheyenne paper) can understand why he would risk alinating all the Wy Hillary supporters.
He needs every vote he can get for his re-election in a Republican state, guess he thinks all thier votes got him elected, HA!!! Bill Clinton gave him his start , he was a nobody untill Bill appointed him AG, enough of my ranting but I get so mad:: Better get some sleep - Tomorrow is Mothers Day!! My kids think i have went beserk over this election - They are both Republicans, Lucky me!!!
Tea toaD
05-11-2008, 12:30 PM
Let them have their fantacy. Even the sites on the internet (I haven't been watching the news lately) say we will be united behind O by mid June:eek: Our party will come together is their mantra. Think again, dreamers:mad:
LikeH2O
05-11-2008, 12:42 PM
Others have told me that I am perceptive. I have not trusted Obama from the beginning. There was something about the way he spoke and his manner that turned me off. I felt that he was not to be trusted. When I said this over a year ago, my friends and relatives couldn't understand it. As I did the research it became more and more apparent to me that I was right.
I get frustrated because it doesn't seem to matter what Obama does, he seems to get away with it. People look at him in a cult-like way and refuse to accept his flaws. That's why he can give Hillary such an obscene gesture, because he feels that it doesn't matter. He will smile and give those smirks and the masses will nod and smile back. He is so arrogant and such an ego maniac that he feels he can do whatever he wants and no one will call him on it. I feel that underneath it all he is a coward and manipulator. He is
afraid and has made many mistakes and is lacking in good judgement. He is dangerous for this country.
On the other hand, Hillary really believes and wants to make this country a better place for us and our children. She means what she says!
That is how it all evolved for me too, and then I discovered TM and this site and realized I wasn't crazy after all. I felt alone in the wilderness for a very long time. I determined by last July that I could never vote for him. I have no worries or qualms about voting for McCain. I can no longer be wooed by issues such as the Supreme Court judges, right to choose, etc. The young people who think Obama is the Messiah take for granted all that we accomplished during the 60's and 70's. Let it all fall down around them and they will have to work to get all that back if they want it. The Party will have to be destroyed and perhaps something will rise from the ashes.....but it is no longer my responsibility. I have marched, voted, been arrested, written letters, protested, and I am weary when it comes down to it. I still care, but the torch must be passed, and if these youngsters want to learn how it is all done, they are going to have to lose everything before they realize it is hard work getting it all back. I will work to get Hillary elected, but that is as far as I go for the Party. They turned their back on me, I do the same...
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