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Santiago
04-18-2008, 04:10 PM
Working with three different videos with different camera angles as I am vetting this issue. Notice the white collar shows behind his hand, showing his index finger is bent at the knuckle.

YouTube - Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton? Slow Motion!

Mrsawd
04-18-2008, 04:13 PM
I thought Obma told media he was scratching his nose ?

lalene
04-18-2008, 04:14 PM
Even if he didn't intentionally flick her off..... who the heck scratches their nose with their middle finger? ESPECIALLY in PUBLIC? NO CONCIOUS! can you imagine what would happen if he did this infront of the IRAN LEADER ?! We would be attacked by nuclear missiles !!

scarolina
04-18-2008, 04:54 PM
If you watch the longer version that is on CBS news page, at the beginning around 17-18 seconds Obama does scratch his face for real - with his little finger! Then later uses the middle one when talking about Hillary.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/17/politics/main4025215.shtml

Phoenix
04-18-2008, 05:01 PM
Rumor has it that MSNBC is going to talk about the "gesture" in the next hour.

disclaimer: this rumor came to me from an 80 year old.

Phoenix
04-18-2008, 05:10 PM
OMG! They did talk about it on MSNBC. But they showed up to the flip off...skipped the flip-off....then showed a few seconds after. Then they showed just the 1 second flip off with no sound.
Very strange editing!

Soaring Eagle
04-18-2008, 05:11 PM
Anyone with a lick of sense at all can see what he is doing. Even without what he was saying when he did it, it is still obvious!

Wales for Hillary
04-18-2008, 05:14 PM
OMG! They did talk about it on MSNBC. But they showed up to the flip off...skipped the flip-off....then showed a few seconds after. Then they showed just the 1 second flip off with no sound.
Very strange editing!

I saw it too. I am so angry...I am so angry. How can they do that.


Right lets set FOX on MSNBC for editting the clip.

let them know that at 4:05 pm eastern treason was commited against the country

friends@foxnews.com; billandmegyn@foxnews.com; redeye@foxnews.com; oreilly@foxnews.com; hannity@foxnews.com; ontherecord@foxnews.com

Tea toaD
04-18-2008, 05:15 PM
He knew exactly what he was doing alright:mad: If MSM makes this out to be nothing then I know for sure they are hopeless:mad:

Artists4Hillary
04-18-2008, 05:20 PM
I think it's obvious he did it. Why would the crowd cheer, when he prefaced that with not saying something that was overtly derrogatory about Hillary? Even though he had a snarky tone of voice.

Wales for Hillary
04-18-2008, 05:27 PM
He knew exactly what he was doing alright:mad: If MSM makes this out to be nothing then I know for sure they are hopeless:mad:

Not only are they apologizing for it and calling us all paranoid....they are now using Axelrods editted version.

This country is no longer ours

mjno7777
04-18-2008, 05:29 PM
The sound is the clincher!!!! How can they show it without the sound??? His NOSE??? It is on his cheek.

Bloomer
04-18-2008, 05:55 PM
what he was doing and all you have to do is watch the thing and it is tottally obvious. The slower reach up to his cheek with the slight pause and the finger very straight up and obvious. The crowd cheers and he lingers it there for just a second longer......CREEP!
He had scratched his face earlier and used his pinky finger. Pretty readable when he's talking about hillary he uses the other one. What a jerk!

I am still sitting here and cannot grasp that he actually did it......
OMG! Are you kidding me!!!!! Are we regressing back to Jr.high or what?

Bloomer
04-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Sorry everyone for the double post....me bad!

Patricia GA
04-18-2008, 06:11 PM
My sister said she saw a video of him speaking today and he made a jesture that he was brushing off his shoulder. He was doing this jester in reference to things being questioned about him or criticism. I have no other clue to where he did this or when...but it was today. Anyone catch that today while watching the news? I have not been watching as I am so upset right now. My sister is a teacher and she said he was acting like a high school student. She said, "What is he going to do when a leader of another country says something he does not like. Brush it off his shoulder too?" She said, "He is not presidential!"

SunnyInCal
04-18-2008, 06:15 PM
My sister said she saw a video of him speaking today and he made a jesture that he was brushing off his shoulder. He was doing this jester in reference to things being questioned about him or criticism. I have no other clue to where he did this or when...but it was today. Anyone catch that today while watching the news? I have not been watching as I am so upset right now. My sister is a teacher and she said he was acting like a high school student. She said, "What is he going to do when a leader of another country says something he does not like. Brush it off his shoulder too?" She said, "He is not presidential!"

He did the shoulder wipe in the video with the finger. I don't know if he's doing it today but it's in the finger video. You have to find the longer version of the finger video.. I think it's after the finger

Santiago
04-18-2008, 08:19 PM
Still looking for other angles, but judge for yourself! Post comments, Fave it, Rate it!



YouTube - Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton? Slow Motion!


Please feel free to get this out to everyone. Click the video twice to go to youtube.

Morgan
04-18-2008, 08:37 PM
Thanks, I bookmarked this.


Not Presidential at all.

Bella
04-18-2008, 08:38 PM
Yes He Did!

mjno7777
04-18-2008, 08:57 PM
SEND THE SLOW MOTION ONE to everyone. It is much more obvious to those in DENIAL.

bernie gagliano
04-18-2008, 09:05 PM
You can see in the woman directly behind she reacts precisely to his gesture immediately. Perfect record for all time.

floorrunner
04-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Yes he did. I wasn't sure at first until I saw the original footage on Brit Hume and then I said yes.

RayinAR
04-18-2008, 09:15 PM
The AA woman on the right seems to me to be saying that's not right. Don't know about my lip reading ability though.

Santiago
04-18-2008, 09:18 PM
Feel free to get this out to everyone. Click the video twice to go to youtube.

Peppermint Patty
04-18-2008, 09:46 PM
I'm sadly convinced. Astonishing the sense of arrogant entitlement he has to flaunt his feelings at this point! WHO, WHO would vote for or support this sleeze at this point?? HOW does he get superdelegates after things like this????? Please, God, explain it to me!!! :eek:

lynfreedom
04-18-2008, 10:19 PM
I thought he wouldn't be stupid enough to do that but now that I saw it...gee.

Wish we could find someone that is excellent lip reader and see if they can determine what is being said by those women. That would tell all but then again he would just say they were mistaken.

Anyone have any research time? Is there any other video's anywhere that he has scratched his face, head, etc. Is this the only one that he uses his middle finger to scratch? That would be more proof if we could find few....

mjno7777
04-18-2008, 10:35 PM
Over 100,000 saw the one that is not in slow motion. I am trying to post the link for the slow motion one ( YouTube - Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton? Slow Motion! )
as a text comment on the YOUTUBE video that is getting the most hits ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcwK ) but I think I AM BANNED.

The slow motion one will shut up those in denial.

memphis
04-18-2008, 10:50 PM
I can't stand to watch it again. It is like branding garbage into my brain.

Joe from WI
04-18-2008, 11:02 PM
With the finger issue, can anyone seriously think BO doesn't harbor the same intention of his uncle wright' G* America?
:eek:

brussell
04-18-2008, 11:28 PM
DIGG IT!

http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUoOFp-RDpvM&title=Obama%20Flips%20Off%20Hillary%20Clinton%3F%2 0%20Slow%20Motion%21&bodytext=Obama%20Flips%20Off%20Hillary%20Clinton&topic=videos_educational

Wales for Hillary
04-18-2008, 11:48 PM
Sorry guys Im not gonna let this go.....this man is 400 delegates from representing our party. Remember that this weekend while we work toward PA.

Anger is a great motivator.

Laura Cereta
04-19-2008, 12:04 AM
DIGG IT!

http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUoOFp-RDpvM&title=Obama%20Flips%20Off%20Hillary%20Clinton%3F%2 0%20Slow%20Motion%21&bodytext=Obama%20Flips%20Off%20Hillary%20Clinton&topic=videos_educational


Dugg it! :)

Peppermint Patty
04-19-2008, 12:13 AM
Who asked me what I was looking at... she's into digital media & works with visual images etc. So I said this, then started the slow motion version... during the normal speed she reacted to the cheers, huh, what are they cheering Hillary's name for.. then she saw the slow mo and the text explaining and she saw the finger and blurted out, "Wow, he just gave her the finger! And that's what they're laughing and cheering about? " She make a disgusted face and said, "I wouldn't be so proud of that..." and walked away!

So without any preface someone knew that's exactly what he did. What a shameless man. So in addition to having his daughters sit through Rev. Wright's hate filled rants he indulges in profanity and is not against using it in public in front of children. What a role model!

Just one more piece of ammo for the Republicans to use against Mr. Clean. Sigh.

OkieforHRC2008
04-19-2008, 12:15 AM
You can see in the woman directly behind she reacts precisely to his gesture immediately. Perfect record for all time.

Did you see that she also scratched her face right before he did? She used more than one finger.

~~OkieforHRC2008

Poor Obama, people always picking on him.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!

VotingHillary
04-19-2008, 01:54 AM
Copy the YouTube site YouTube - Barack Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton? and email it to all your LOCAL tv stations. They love a good controversy and are less likely to "spin it" as much as let the viewers decide for themselves.

Go email it NOW....especially to PA stations....Pittsburgh stations are KDKA, WTAE and WPXI.

Santiago
04-19-2008, 01:59 AM
Just a reminder to join youtube and promote Hillary's videos. It is relatively easy and allows you to rate, comment, and save favorites. Just look (okay, don't look) at BO's videos and they have tremendous hits and ratings. Just clicking helps our candidate's videos gain exposure. Just a reminder. Thx

Santiago
04-19-2008, 02:02 AM
Merged.

Jayling
04-19-2008, 02:04 AM
/mod hat on

merged 3 similar threads same topic...

DrLisa
04-19-2008, 02:13 AM
He spoke at two events that day, and did it at both events at the same time in his speech. There was an earlier video of both of them. Maybe Murray can post the videos. And we can send them both.

Santiago
04-19-2008, 04:19 AM
I thought so too at first. Same speech, different camera angles.

PAangelRN
04-19-2008, 05:20 AM
I will never support Obama. Obama and his wife are arrogant snobs, has ties to terroristic people, attended an anti-American/Racist church for 20 years, lies, has absolutely no experience and is disrespectful to say the least to people that died in 9/11 (flag pin), small town America (bitter), women (flipping the bird), and to our intelligence. I hope everyone realizes that babies, children, and teenagers attend those rallies. It is sad to see a man who wants to be president of the United States act like an infant. My 15 years old seen the video and was the one who originally pointed out the middle finger stunt. He is a disgrace.

Unfortunately we will be hearing a lot of the term McCain Democrats if he wins. That and this video makes me sick to my stomach. I cannot believe that people keep falling for him. I am sorry but I can never vote for him for the benefit of the party.

However, There were hundreds and hundres of people down at the debate rallying for Hillary. Someone needs to email this too all of those people and everyone else you know. We need to bombard the media with this. Send this to every news station by email and even call them. We also need to start sending this to the superdelegates. I dont know if they have fax numbers to their offices but if they do maybe we should fax them letters with the picture below. We cannot let him get away with this one!

I cannot believe that someone who wants to be President of the United States would do this. He is not a role model for young minds.

YouTube - Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton? Slow Motion!

YouTube - Barack Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton?

joeylee
04-19-2008, 07:14 AM
This is a shame, one that baffles me as the pundits continue to disregard this kind of, pun not intended, finger-pointing to their own purposes, whatever they are. Here is a response I just wrote to an article that was so Pro-Obama it was almost silly:
:rolleyes:

Joey Lee (mhtml:{90204FD9-6F5F-414E-B23E-0458A7B17A5D}mid://00000040/!x-usc:http://www.joeylee.com/)
April 19th, 2008 at 5:03 am (mhtml:{90204FD9-6F5F-414E-B23E-0458A7B17A5D}mid://00000040/!x-usc:http://themadisontimes.com/columnist/2008/04/17/bittergate-reveals-to-us-more-about-clinton-than-obama/#comment-2414)
Wow, what a surprise, a Pro-Obama report with completely ridiculous miscalculations of Senator Clinton, this has to be one the most obvious sexist articles to date, and yet again, treating Mr. Obama, Senator Obama as if his record was just spic and span. The issues brought up, not by Senator Clinton, but by the hosts of ABC, were a clear reflection of what will be an all out buffet on past dealings with everyone from the Good ole Boy Rev. Wright to Ayers, and Farrakhan, a list that continues to get little to no attention yet will be hammered upon without a doubt if this man, with his lack of any experience as a Leader, will get by the Republican Machines. Have you not heard people like rush and the like lately? They tear this man down like dog food. Senator Clinton has a record that in no way is reflective in this sexist and so obvious Pro-Obama Elite article… Shame shame… Where is the truth?
Joey Lee- a Voter in Scranton PA, where my vote and my word does count!

Joey Lee*
I also have a call into Chris Kelly of the local Scranton Tribune, he's done about three or four articles with me in the past, I have no reason to think he won't jump at a chance for me to give my say on Senator Clinton, My Champion on Health-Care, Social Security, Medicare and the like, those are the issues most important to me and to many here in the Keystone State where I am Proud to Live & Even Prouder to Cast my Vote for Senator Clinton on Tuesday!

cowymom
04-19-2008, 07:18 AM
please share the obama flip video with someone or a teenager without saying anything and watch their reaction. email newspapers, tv stations colleges, superdelegates in PA. please help push for this story to be heard.

Jayling
04-19-2008, 07:27 AM
/mod hat on

merged similar topic threads :)

joeylee
04-19-2008, 07:53 AM
I just also made a call to Candice Kelly, from WBRE News, I also did a story with her a few years ago when I said NO to an invitation to sit in a wheelchair for President Bush at a Press Conference to be held that next day, which was subsequently canceled, possibly thanks to myself as it aired on WBRE, our NBC Affiliate, that very night before the scheduled conference, the day after his Republican Convention. A similar article on why is here:
http://www.joeylee.com/article2.html it was a follow up to:
http://www.joeylee.com/article4.html in 2003

Joey Lee* - Senator Clinton* is a Champion for ALL*, especially those like myself, disabled, on SS, Medicare, Medicaid - No one other that She*.

houna
04-19-2008, 08:10 AM
If you are in doubt just look at the 2 women behind him. They got it. And his smiles were so sleezy and crass telling you exactly what he meant. I confess when I watched the video the first time I didn't get it. But I was so alarmed by the shoulder thing. Here this who is going to be the president( God forbid) crying about QUESTIONS at the same time can't find intelligable words to describe them so he used hand gestures which are impolite to say the least. To add insult to injury talking and giving speechs so far is the only thing that is going for him. No other qualifications what so ever. Please some one tell me what happened to peoples's common sense. I am scared.

Cindy C
04-19-2008, 09:28 AM
I am so glad to see the true Hillary supporters willing to fight this fight and expose Obama the "SNAKE-OIL SALESMAN".

Here in the Fort Worth area of Texas and in Dallas, we have some Hillary supporters/volunteers who do not like us getting negative towards Obama. Theses are the volunteers who will allow the Obama people walk all over Hillary and we agressive/assertive volunteers are not going to allow this to happen. This bad candidate, Obama, needs to have his record and his mouth exposed and that is not negative.

I have seen the people on this web site see the paid staffers are leaklings and do not have the will to go all out to get Hillary to win. The paid staffers are spending too much time behind a computer and on the phones and are not exposing Hillary's name on the streets for recognition. I believe these staffers are more interested in technical aspects and are more interested in a paycheck as opposed to having the guts to go a step beyond and do the right thing and get Hillary the nomination.

Now there are a few staffers I give thumbs up BUT only a few.

IT WILL BE UP TO US: "THE REAL VOLUNTEERS" who will get Hillary the nominee; not the paid staffers. I have almost given up on the paid staffers in being gutsy and exposing Obama's record. They are weak and too afraid in doing the right thing.

SO TO ALL OF YOU, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND EXPOSE OBAMA'S RECORD AS A STATE SENATOR, HIS TIES TO TONY REZKO, THE IRAQI WHO STOLE US TAX DOLLARS, BILL AYERS, LOUIS FARRAKHAN, REV. WRIGHT.

WE MUST KEEP THIS NAMES EXPOSED DAILY IN THESE STATES AND KEEP THE REMINDER OPEN.

FOX NEWS, SOME OF CBS, ABC AND LOU DOBBS ARE THE ONES WHO KEEP THIS ALIVE AND WE MUST DO THE SAME.

Cindy:)

underpaidnurse
04-19-2008, 09:38 AM
This is the type of change we're looking for. I'm about to invoke the spirit of our parents with this and I apologize but, what do you expect from the youth when their big deal is to video beatings and put them on myspace and youtube. This is their idea of change and showing how hip you are. I am saddened, and it fuels the fire in this thirty something woman to fight even harder.

joeylee
04-19-2008, 09:54 AM
as posted on several threads, this is free, it's easy to register, anyone can post an event or subject and it gets "published", Thousands are directed here each day by the local news stations, both WBRE and WYOU, NBC and CBS affiliates:
http://pahomepage.com/content/community/event_calendar?submit_action=event_details&event_id=10007&returnto=%2Fcontent%2Fcommunity%2Fevent_calendar%3 Fadjust%3D0%26date%3D22%26submit_action%3Ddaily_li st


Joey Lee*
All I CAN do I WILL do! She is a Champion for ALL of those things that matter to those like myself, disabled, on social security, on Medicare and Medicaid - Only SHE can reform these things and give MY life some quality back, instead of a total of $624 a month from SS, Yes, no typo there, that's IT, from all of my sources of any income, period. I NEED Senator Clinton*, as do MANY!

carmaken
04-19-2008, 11:09 AM
And the media would never let her get by with something like this! (I can't believe he aspires to be the nominee.)

Santiago
04-19-2008, 02:20 PM
Reminder. please link to video in as many blogs as you can. I linked DU and even they can see it in slow-mo.

PAangelRN
04-19-2008, 02:48 PM
Here are some local Philly news links. Send them the link and bombard them with this.

YouTube - Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton? Slow Motion!

http://www.nbc10.com/News/1430520/detail.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=resources/inside_station/station_info&id=5770794

http://cbs3.com/contact

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?contentId=438994&version=30&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=5.1.1

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/feedback.cfm?tmpl=interact

http://www.philly.com/philly/about/feedback/

pearson
04-19-2008, 03:16 PM
I sent the clip to my 79 year old father who saw immediately that it was intentional.

I'm stunned and saddened that there has been no coverage of this "finger" issue in the news. If Hillary had done this, you can be sure the press and bloggers would have been all over her.

I'm embarrassed that such a childish man is running for president of the US.

Wales for Hillary
04-19-2008, 03:39 PM
Done...good collection of station

The media continues to cover this up

PAangelRN
04-19-2008, 04:09 PM
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/index.html

go to this link. Hillary will be on Larry King monday 4/21. I emailed the link from utube to him and also summited questions about the finger flip to Hillary for him to ask. Like: Is this action a good role model for children for a president to do?

There is also a poll : Who will win PA

I have to leave someone put this link on a new thread for everyone to see please. I would but I do not have time. Thanks in advace.

Charlie Brown
04-19-2008, 04:20 PM
Greta is on it its on her blog...she is over whelmed with blogs on this she said so she reposted it even and there's a poll there on the subject...Its hit media...Keep drawing attention to it and it will happen it always takes a while...

RachachaSharon
04-19-2008, 05:33 PM
Had my 26 year old son look at it fast and in slo mo and he says "Oh, yeah, he flipped her off."

Christines
04-19-2008, 05:46 PM
Vote for Obama doing his presidential gesture!:mad:


http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/19/videos-of-the-week-obama-flips-off-hillary/

Soaring Eagle
04-19-2008, 05:48 PM
Voted.

Charlie Brown
04-19-2008, 05:52 PM
Voted But That Was A Strange Way Of Wording It.

Santiago
04-19-2008, 05:55 PM
Had my 26 year old son look at it fast and in slo mo and he says "Oh, yeah, he flipped her off."

My entire family has seen it, even my republican brother, everyone can see it!

lucky-ann
04-19-2008, 06:01 PM
voted.

Morgan
04-19-2008, 06:06 PM
Someone should get the author the video that is slowed down. I couldn't find a email addy for him.

HillaryForPrez
04-19-2008, 06:08 PM
Was Obama really giving Hillary a "Parkway Salute?

"Duh! Of course he wa...sorry, this is my exit.58 (58.6%)

Calm down and take off the tinfoil, it was incidental.40 (40.4%)

Santiago
04-19-2008, 06:43 PM
Bump for links.

Wales for Hillary
04-19-2008, 06:50 PM
60-40 need more votes

HillaryForPrez
04-19-2008, 07:32 PM
YouTube - Barack Admits it, Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton

HillaryForPrez
04-19-2008, 07:34 PM
YouTube - Barack Admits it, Obama Flips Off Hillary Clinton

mjno7777
04-20-2008, 02:55 AM
HERE are 2 videos of OBAMA in 2 venues in NC. Note different people behind him in each video. He raises his finger exactly when he mentions Clintons name. How can he and his supporters deny it? And, say we are grabbing for straws!!!! I think they are so braindead, they can't discern that there are two venues where he did the same thing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM

OR
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw

Horizon
04-20-2008, 03:03 AM
You need to make sure that BOTH videos are released somewhere.I know there are others here that know how to do this.What a PIG!

no_more_bush
04-20-2008, 03:10 AM
It's hard to tell because the videos are shot at two different angles. If you use the letters behind him as a land mark ("we can believe in") the differences in the angles become more clear. One of the videos need to zoom out before we can be sure these are two different rallies.

Horizon
04-20-2008, 03:15 AM
The wording in the second video is slightly different than the 1st.Play them both a couple of times.That was how I figured it out.It's also fun to look at different people in the crowd each time you watch.Those people KNEW what he did!Who figured out what those women in back are saying??

Santiago
04-20-2008, 03:15 AM
There were four videos distributed. It is the same speech, unfortunately. Just different angles.

Jayling
04-20-2008, 03:18 AM
http://www.diversityj.com/images/ModHat.jpg

merged 3 similar topic threads...

Horizon
04-20-2008, 03:19 AM
Are you sure?? The 2nd one sounds different at the beginning. Different wording,seems like he got to the bird faster.

Santiago
04-20-2008, 03:33 AM
Are you sure?? The 2nd one sounds different at the beginning. Different wording,seems like he got to the bird faster.

I put the slow motion one together and it was the best angle for the finger.
I've watched this so many times, I am sure it is the same.

Horizon
04-20-2008, 03:42 AM
THAT is just too damn bad! How great if this were actually 2 separate events? Any possibility of digging up video from other stops that day? Just a thought.I think he is actually arrogant enough that he would do this more than once,thinking he's above reproach.

Santiago
04-20-2008, 04:00 AM
THAT is just too damn bad! How great if this were actually 2 separate events? Any possibility of digging up video from other stops that day? Just a thought.I think he is actually arrogant enough that he would do this more than once,thinking he's above reproach.

That was the only speech video that contained that type of comment that I could find.

trading wine for beer
04-20-2008, 04:03 AM
I put the slow motion one together and it was the best angle for the finger.
I've watched this so many times, I am sure it is the same.

I have to agree that it's the same event, just different angles and sound quality. He'd have to be the best actor in the universe for that to be two different events. He's just not that good ;). If you listen for the timing of everything (including the cheers), it matches up... so the audience would have had to be on que as well. I edit video, and I'm a musician, so my ear is pretty good... and breaking video down by frames is almost as good as trying to match up a signature or even a fingerprint.

Oh well! Wouldn't that have been hard for him to deny if it were two events!! Especially, **ahem** "scratching" his face at the very same moments while uttering Hillary's name!

Optixmom
04-20-2008, 09:23 AM
I have been away on vacation with my family since Thursday and haven't seen any TV. I checked in here and saw in a thread that someone referred to his FINGER. I searched the forum to find this!

I am nauseous. What a CAD! This is like being back in Jr. High. When you cannot win an argument, give your opponent the finger.

I didn't think he could make me even more furious than I was with the "cling" comment...but he never ceases to disgust me!

Jayling
04-20-2008, 09:27 AM
I have been away on vacation with my family since Thursday and haven't seen any TV.
Welcome home, Optix! I've wondered where you've been. You were missed :)

No additional comments from me about Obama's f-you to Hillary -- just too much disgust boiling inside over it...

carmaken
04-20-2008, 10:07 AM
I haven't been able to watch much of the networks lately, because I have been at the campaign office phoning or canvassing neighborhoods. Can't help but think this would turn lots of people off of him bigtime, it is such a low class thing to publically do to Hillary.

brussell
04-20-2008, 01:39 PM
FYI - Related thread here on No Quarter "Jay-Z" posting

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=60826#post60826

OkieforHRC2008
04-20-2008, 01:46 PM
It's hard to tell because the videos are shot at two different angles. If you use the letters behind him as a land mark ("we can believe in") the differences in the angles become more clear. One of the videos need to zoom out before we can be sure these are two different rallies.

Actually just look at all the supporters behind Senator Obama. Not a single one looks the same, and if they were the same rally then there'd be at least one you could see from both angles.

~~OkieforHRC2008

Flipping someone the bird is very immature.

Amy Dugan
04-20-2008, 02:20 PM
I had to work so I missed the Sunday morning talk shows. Did anybody on the forum hear any show bring up FINGERGATE?

emmyCA
04-20-2008, 02:23 PM
I passed around my message below all over the net, I got great angry response from readers about Obama's fingergate to Hillary. Obama supporters have been trying to say it is the same video, same event but most people believe my message after they saw the two different videos. Please keep passing this one around so people can judge Obama's inappropriate character to be President. We need to do anything we can from now to Tuesday to keep Hillary in the big lead in PA

FINGERGATE!!!1

There is no question, Obama gave middle finger to Hillary twice in 2 different videos. HERE are 2 videos of OBAMA in 2 venues in NC. Note different people behind him in each video. He raises his finger exactly when he mentions Clintons name. How can he and his supporters deny it? And, say we are grabbing for straws!!!! I think they are so braindead, they can't discern that there are two venues where he did the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM

OR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw

pearson
04-20-2008, 02:31 PM
Obama was invoking a hip-hop tune "Dirt off your shoulder"

You're now tuned into the muh'fuckin greatest
Turn the music up in the headphones
Tim, you can go and brush your shoulder off *****
I got you, yeah

[Chorus: Jay-Z]
If you feelin’ like a pimp *****, go and brush your shoulders off
Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
Niggaz is crazy baby, don't forget that boy told you
Get, that, dirt off your shoulder

[Verse One]
I probably owe it to y'all, probably to be locked by the force
Tryin to hustle some things, that go with the Porsche
Feelin no remorse, feelin like my hand was forced
Middle finger to the law, ***** grippin ma balls
Stab the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screamin
All the ballers is bouncin, they like the way I be leanin
All the rappers be hatin, off the track that I'm makin
But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
Came from the bottom the bottom, to the Top of the Pops
***** London, Japan and I'm straight off the block
Like a running back, get it man, I'm straight off the block
I can run it back ***** cause I'm straight with the Roc


And the Washington Post reports Obama does have some Jay-Z on his IPod.
What does Tipper Gore think?

Santiago
04-20-2008, 02:31 PM
emmyCA Moderator said:

"I passed around my message below all over the net, I got great angry response from readers about Obama's fingergate to Hillary. Obama supporters have been trying to say it is the same video, same event but most people believe my message after they saw the two different videos. Please keep passing this one around so people can judge Obama's inappropriate character to be President. We need to do anything we can from now to Tuesday to keep Hillary in the big lead in PA."


I thought the same thing at first. But I have four videos, all of the same event. The camera angles are different, and they can be trickey when viewing. I made the slow-mo video, and, sad to say, they are from the same event.

joeylee
04-20-2008, 02:42 PM
I Hope no-one minds me reposting this again, I don't know about Y'all but this just seems like finally some karma, Eh?

New York: Bittergate: Pundits Doubt Obama As Never Before
By Dan Amira

• William Kristol thinks the "god" part of Obama's comments are particularly strange considering how he's written about his own religious awakening in his memoirs. Overall, Obama has revealed that he's "disdainful of small town America." [NYT]

• Mickey Kaus lists the top four sins of Obama's "bitter" statement, with number one being that he seemingly lumped together things we should cling to (religion) with things we shouldn't cling to (xenophobia, racism). [Slate]

• Noemie Emery wonders at the difference between the bitterness felt by small-towners and that experienced by the churchgoers who flocked to Reverend Wright. [Weekly Standard]

• Michael Goodwin, formerly one of those small-town Pennsylvanians, says that gaffes don't get any bigger than this one. (Although the incident is not, strictly speaking, a gaffe, because Obama believes what he said.) He believes the White House is looking "out of reach" for Obama. [NYDN]

• Bob Franken places Obama's comments into an ongoing narrative of candidates' saying stupid things this campaign, which simply reminds us that our politicians are just as flawed as anybody else. Which doesn't mean that what Obama said was not "clumsy" and "tellingly elitist." [Hill]

• Jake Tapper notes that Obama and his allies are trying to focus their explanations on the "bitter" part alone, which is the most defensible and least insulting part of his comments. [Political Punch/ABC News]

• Melissa Henneberger doubts Obama's ability to win for the first time because it seems he may truly not understand why his "bitter" line was such a big problem. [XX Factor/Slate]

• Mark Ambinder is on the lookout for the "illogical impulses" that inevitably arise in controversies like "Bittergate" — people saying Obama had an elite upbringing, or the reverse conservative elitism against big-city, well-educated liberals. [Atlantic]

• Joe Klein doesn't think Bittergate will come to hurt Obama, unless Clinton is actually able to establish this "Obama-as-elitist" narrative. [Swampland/Time]

• The Wall Street Journal editorial board suggests that because he said it so naturally in front of a San Francisco audience, this must be what Obama truly believes, and that the incident is a "gift" to Clinton. [WSJ]

• Chuck Todd and friends wonder whether any voters who were already for Obama will actually switch their allegiance at this point anyway. But they also note that nobody, especially the political pundits from New York and D.C., knows how this will play out.

JoeyLee* - This is just sooo good....

PrincesseJen
04-20-2008, 02:47 PM
It would have been better if he did it twice but he shouldn't have done it once.

Amy Dugan
04-20-2008, 02:58 PM
if it was done more than once, obama camp would say it is a normal part of his body language (nervous tick he always does) and use the multiple incidences to prove us wrong. BUT it was done once and is not a habit of his at rallies (Bill Clintons finger pointing lip biting, and George W's smirk and head bouncing are habits manifested on many videos).

Wales for Hillary
04-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Im imploring you all.....please call Howrd Dean today at the DNC headquarters and let him know how you truely fell. The spineless wonder cannot be let off the hook.

877-336-7200

brussell
04-20-2008, 03:24 PM
Can someone please save this video?

YouTube - Senator Barack Obama & Hip-Hop 2008 President Super tuesday

HillaryProblemSolver
04-20-2008, 03:51 PM
We know exactly that he’s been hit extremely hard this time, because his campaign is screaming over the results of the ABC debate. He just can’t hide this condition. He has spent the last several days pointing fingers at everyone but himself, including what he did with his middle finger. That's a very poor attitude. Obama has been acting childish, angry when someone actually has the courage to ask him tough questions - ones he hasn't prepared for. And this is a person who says about his ability to handle the greatest nation in the world? The person who says that he is the best candidate to challenge the Republican in the General Election? Give me a break!
Now, the question is which candidate has the best leadership qualities? There is no doubt; Hillary Clinton makes the best candidate with the best policies and best leadership.




"This nomination is worth fighting for and I’m going to fight for it.” Hillary Rodham Clinton - campaigning in Oregon, April 2008.