PLEASE NOTE: When referring to Barack Obama in this forum...

[CGP]

PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THESE MATTERS

I am setting this ground rule because various OBAMA CONCERN TROLLS have joined this site at various points to try and incite Hillary supporters through using sensationalistic names for Obama. All have been banned - though it's never possible to know that all trolls have been banned as some are super committed to infiltrating. Their strategy is to try and construct Hillary supporters on this site (and other pro-hillary sites) as "extremist", "racist", "marginal" so as to discredit your views as having any value. Don't fall for their tactics. If any of you have innocently used nicknames, no need to freak out, just don't do it from this point onwards as doing so plays into the games/tactics of our detractors. It's unfortunatle that such rigidity is required, but thank the behavior of extremist Obama supporters for this latest rule.

So, when specifically referring to Barack Obama, please use these 6 options only:

1. Barack

2. Barack Obama

3. Senator Barack Obama

4. Obama

5. Senator Obama

6. BO/B.O.

[ZforHill]

BO it is! I'm going to miss the quirky nicknames, but for the sake of integrity, this must be done.

[CGP]

BO it is! I'm going to miss the quirky nicknames, but for the sake of integrity, this must be done.

It's the only way to stop the dirty tactics of the trolls. I know what they are up to.

[mjoynaples]

Got it!

[skc1976]

Well heck...just when I enjoyed coming up with new ones! LOL :D

[SoCal4Hillary]

When referring to BO, no nicknames allowed!Am I the only one who giggled at this? :D

As for no more nicknames...I'm so used to writing oBLAHma, I don't know if I can stop. But I guess I'll try!

[CGP]

Some people don't seem to get it...

It's really not that hard.

If people don't like it, go try another website/forum! It's your free choice!

As you can tell, my irritation is rising.

It's a simple request. And the reasons for it are stated above.

Perhaps if some of you had access to the private emails I receive, you might better understand & respect my request.

So, unless you wish to take over payment of this site, and to have it listed in your own name, please respect the rules.

[Annie]

Oh okay....I am feeling bitter though as I had just been told and found out that his tru name begins with Mu... Oh well BO will have it...those initials do it anyway. :)

[Horizon]

Went back and edited some of my posts.Had not thought of it that way,Murray.No problem.BO from now on.

[ZforHill]

What about when referring to Obama supporters? We've used Obamanuts, -bots, i've used -fanatics.

[hipelayne]

BO it is. Sorry Murray!

[Jan26]

Will do. You already zapped my one post with anything other than the accepted names. Fast.

[Mrsawd]

I Thought Was Going Pretty Good Considering That Almost All These Were Not Considered Cuss Words Like We Would Be Liking To Call Bo At Times !

[OkieforHRC2008]

Murray,

Well I normally call him Obama. Could Senator Obama be considered on that list as well? I've used that a few times. Anyways, I am upset for you that concern trolls would bug you about that. The only thing I worry about is that they'll see this as a victory and bug you about other things they don't like.
Take care and best wishes for a stress-less time for you.

~~OkieforHRC2008

[CGP]

Will do. You already zapped my one post with anything other than the accepted names. Fast.

Actually, I see no record of any of your posts ever being removed. Moved to subforums, yes. But not removed. You can see your full list of posts and where they are here:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/search.php?searchid=56784

[CGP]

Murray,

Well I normally call him Obama. Could Senator Obama be considered on that list as well? I've used that a few times. Anyways, I am upset for you that concern trolls would bug you about that. The only thing I worry about is that they'll see this as a victory and bug you about other things they don't like.
Take care and best wishes for a stress-less time for you.

~~OkieforHRC2008

Think of it as "taking the high ground". It's not a victory for them. It's a victory for class and etiquette.

[foreigner4hillary]

Think of it as "taking the high ground". It's not a victory for them. It's a victory for class and etiquette.


Ahahha...true Murray. As you can see, I've also taken to calling him BO now instead of...well...

You are right, a country has laws and a forum has rules. We may not always like the rules, but we still need to observe them.

However, shouldn't *** be acceptable? It is after all, his name.

[CGP]

Ahahha...true Murray. As you can see, I've also taken to calling him BO now instead of...well...

You are right, a country has laws and a forum has rules. We may not always like the rules, but we still need to observe them.

However, shouldn't *** be acceptable? It is after all, his name.

Sure, it is his name, but why would your prefer to use B-H-O over BO? What is Hillary's middle name? It's not Rodham - that's her pre-married name. So if people use B-H-O, then they should be referring to Hillary Clinton As H-?-C.

I don't care as to me it's just a name, but understand this has been of the tactics of trolls not just on our little site but across the entire Internet - to construct Hillary supporters as racists and as being anti-islam. One of their strategies it to try and incite supporters into using the language which they can they criticize us for! Don't fall for their game. I am not racist nor am I against Islam. Invoking the "H" word tends to fall into the games of the Obama people who then criticize Hillary supporters as intentionally using his middle name to be racist and anti-islamist - which is bullsh*t but this is what they do. Do you want to help them in that?

[ImmaSlave4U]

^ We use the term B.H.O. (without the periods...just like HRC) at the campaign headquarters when we're writing his name...or even speaking it. I don't think we mean anything bad by it...but that is what the staff calls him.

[samkm]

Imma, I see that the 3-letter acronym is getting 3* here. I thought it would be PC; so I have one post in which I have used that 3-letter acronym. Anyway, there is so much secrecy about the middlename of Barack Obama that I am really beginning to wonder if there is more to it that we know.. that is reason enough to question it.

Murray, I searched and checked my posts for any objectionable things and I'm quite good, even the blah is not a modifier anywhere in my own posts. However, if you come across anything, pls alert me with a p.m.. Thanks.

[CGP]

^ We use the term B.H.O. (without the periods...just like HRC) at the campaign headquarters when we're writing his name...or even speaking it. I don't think we mean anything bad by it...but that is what the staff calls him.

For most people, it's just a name, initials, whatever. That's not my point.

The point is about being aware of the dirty tricks of the opponent's campaign and their supporters. And not falling under their spell!

I have explained above.

[PuppyDogMom]

Murray is absolutely correct. Respect is respect, and we're better than that. Don't stoop to their level. Quite frankly, I don't even like references to Sen. Clinton as Hillary when used in conjunction with Sen. Obama. They're both Senators. If she's Hillary, he's Barack. And if he's Obama, she's Clinton. That's just my pet peeve and I don't expect anyone else to do that, but I generally try to. Like I said, respect is respect.

[Charlie Brown]

Some people don't seem to get it...

It's really not that hard.

If people don't like it, go try another website/forum! It's your free choice!

As you can tell, my irritation is rising.

It's a simple request. And the reasons for it are stated above.

Perhaps if some of you had access to the private emails I receive, you might better understand & respect my request.

So, unless you wish to take over payment of this site, and to have it listed in your own name, please respect the rules.

OMG they are emailing you Murray...what a complete joke!!! leave us alone and go to the 100000 sites where we cant even give a opinion...I always have refered to him as his real name but to E-mail Murray and complain is just beyond words...Sorry Murray you have to deal with this as well as you have handled this forum...so sorry....Geezzzzz :mad:

[leahchamblee]

DON'T HELP OUT THE HATERS WITH THEIR NASTY TRICKS!!

I am setting this ground rule because various OBAMA CONCERN TROLLS have joined this site at various points to try and incite Hillary supporters through using sensationalistic names for Obama. All have been banned - though it's never possible to know that all trolls have been banned as some are super committed to infiltrating. Their strategy is to try and construct Hillary supporters on this site (and other pro-hillary sites) as "extremist", "racist", "marginal" so as to discredit your views as having any value. They have attempted to do this by plastering the words such h-u-s-s-e-i-n, u-h-b-a-m-a, b-a-r-r-y to discredit YOU as "extremist", "sensationalistic", "marginal"...Don't fall for their tactics. If any of you have innocently used this nicknames, no need to freak out, just don't do it from this point onwards as doing so plays into the games/tactics of our detractors. And you can always edit your own posts to change any language which you think is not appropriate or does not conform to the guidelines of this forum. It's unfortunatle that such rigidity is required, but thank the behavior of extremist Obama supporters for this latest rule.

So, when specifically referring to Barack Obama, please use these 6 options only:

1. Barack

2. Barack Obama

3. Senator Barack Obama

4. Obama

5. Senator Obama

6. BO/B.O.

Two comments.
Why does it matter if voters are racist? Are they getting how people think confused with how people act? Isn't it worse if a candidate was racist?

Why is ******* any worse than Barack or Obama? Peeps call Hill, Rodham, does that mean they are sexist or racist?

[Sandy in PA]

Murray, say no more. I've been guilty of a few nicknames myself. And, I'm sorry that they are harassing you via e-mail for things we've typed.

[nette60]

DON'T HELP OUT THE HATERS WITH THEIR NASTY TRICKS!!

I am setting this ground rule because various OBAMA CONCERN TROLLS have joined this site at various points to try and incite Hillary supporters through using sensationalistic names for Obama. All have been banned - though it's never possible to know that all trolls have been banned as some are super committed to infiltrating. Their strategy is to try and construct Hillary supporters on this site (and other pro-hillary sites) as "extremist", "racist", "marginal" so as to discredit your views as having any value. They have attempted to do this by plastering the words such h-u-s-s-e-i-n, u-h-b-a-m-a, b-a-r-r-y to discredit YOU as "extremist", "sensationalistic", "marginal"...Don't fall for their tactics. If any of you have innocently used this nicknames, no need to freak out, just don't do it from this point onwards as doing so plays into the games/tactics of our detractors. And you can always edit your own posts to change any language which you think is not appropriate or does not conform to the guidelines of this forum. It's unfortunatle that such rigidity is required, but thank the behavior of extremist Obama supporters for this latest rule.

So, when specifically referring to Barack Obama, please use these 6 options only:

1. Barack

2. Barack Obama

3. Senator Barack Obama

4. Obama

5. Senator Obama

6. BO/B.O.

The thing about real Hillary supporters is that we don't resort to these kids of tactics...Thats why I love coming to her site...

[nette60]

On the other hand we know who the 'real racists' are. Except they want to convince people that only Barack supporters are afforded that right. Then its perfectly ok to listen to and be a part of a racist church for 20 years and have a racist wife that hates Whites and to honor Louis Farrakhan and to be anti American and...so on and so on.......Its called race 'Baiting' people to actually convince people there is some form of racism going on where there really isn't while avoiding the real issues at hand.....to get what you want...having people afraid to stand up for whats right or wrong for fear of being called a racist...I could go on and on.....

[Bella]

I think I spotted a concern troll yesterday. He went a little overboard in one of the threads about voting for Obama if Hillary tells him to :rolleyes: and when I searched his posts he had one saying something about Muslims and BO. :rolleyes: So, I see your point.

I think ***** was his nickname growing up though.

Ok, so stinky BO it is. :D

[eyedoc333]

Murray, I am in complete agreement.

[SD]

error, sorry

[shadow]

Murray is right. Please don't call the man names. BO is acceptable and easier to type.

Murray, i am sorry they are emailing you. I know how that feels.

Please people, it is very bad all across the net. This is such a small thing to ask. Just use his initials

[xyndau]

It's my belief that people will give our posts more thoughtful consideration if they are constructive, positive and not unnecessarily personal. I pretty much call Obama "Obama".

This is not to say, however, that we should not refer to Obama as "elitist" or a "liar" or other similar names where it is appropriate to do so in making a particular point. E.g., "Obama's comments at the SF fund raiser were elitist and reflect Obama's out-of-touch snobbish attitude towards common working class folk."

So, it is posible to call Obama a name where appropriate (and still call him Obama), we just need to support what we are saying with a specific reference to something Obama has said, done or failed to do. This, I believe, would be considered constructive criticism.

[ssmith]

Its sad that Hillary gets called anything nasty and no one says anything.. I will try to call him only BO, or maybe the FRAUD, or the finger-flipping-senator/fool

I have never and will never refer to him as "Hu****n", b/c I am myself a minority of the asian/middle eastern group and agree it does not serve our cause.

thank you murray!!!!

[ActionJackson]

Trolls are such party-poopers. And, double-standard bearers. But...

For you Murray, anything.

BO it is.

And to answer another post on here who wondered about middle names,

We cannot use "his" middle name because people get upset that he has one

But Hillary's middle name is Diane (or Diann) -- I'm not sure on spelling.

So -- to be equal on other blogs, if you use his middle name, use hers, too.

AND... Murray, may we refer to "him" as "him"? as "the opponent"?


Thanks for all you do, Murray. I wish people would vote against "him" just because his followers are so viscious.... and he is so scary... I'm (shudder) saving some pics of him to my computer because they are such excellent studies of shadow. I'm going (uck, shudder, retch) draw him in charcoal (is that racist?) to capture the characteristic/detail. (Maybe I should use a variety of colors because I don't want a shadow study to label me as a bigot!!)

[YesSheCan]

The NPR story this morning on Obama and he thinks it is dirty politics to use his middle name. but I don't feel this way. the story is claiming that Americans are prejudiced against Muslims. Regarding his names, I'm wondering what is wrong with ***** -- unless it is a reference to the republicans and ***** goldwater. Also I don't see what is wrong with using his middle name. We use Hillary Rodham Clinton and George Walker Bush. And Kennedy even publicly confused his name with Osama Bin Laden. But personally I don't see what is wrong with some of the names and I see this as instigated by Obama because it throws a wrench into what he thinks is his neat association with the White House and his most recent blatant association "President. Obama." I think it is fair to throw wrenches into that image.

Here is the NPR story:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89766811

[RayinAR]

I agree Murray. When you had the other thread up about positiveness I decided to start calling him Barak. Hillary calls him Barak and that is his name so that is what I will use. With an occasional Obama since we have an occasional Clinton. We don't need to give them anymore ammo than they can make up.

[Santiago]

Posted earlier, appropriate here.

I first voted in a Presidential election in 1972. Even before that I was involved in political causes. Never have I seen the likes of this primary. The right wing attacks on the Clinton's in the 90's were bad enough, but what has happened in this cycle is just incredible.

Vitriol. Hatred. Slander. Lies.

Okay, those are part of the political process and have been with us since the first caveman was elected head of the tribe. But this new medium called the internet has given us a tool of mass destruction. Remember the old sci-fi movies, where at the end, the hero says to the mad scientist villain, "If only you had used your genius for good instead of evil."

That is why this is the best forum on the internet.

Murray, you are that not so mad scientist, and we are your colleagues. This post is my humble tribute to your leadership and to the class exhibited by this forums members. In the face of the incredible vitriol exhibited by the OBots, members in this forum continue to do us all proud, both here and elsewhere.

To everyone who contributes here and elsewhere to get the word out in a reasoned, well researched, articulate manner, I thank you

[lanney]

Murray,
Sen. Hillary middle name is Dianne.
I like ***. Otherwise I am tempted to write BOO. :D
I hope after 22 April we can BOO loudly and by end of May he should know public BOO.

[foreigner4hillary]

Ok guys, Murray has laid down reasonable rules and his reasons behind them.

These are fair rules and please, let's abide by them for the common good. After all, we have much better things to do than bicker over what to call BO.

Speaking of which, can someone please help me to digg the Tribune post? I've been trying but I keep getting the 404 after I click submit.

Lastly, I'd like to thank Murray (and the moderators) again for his patience and continued support of this forum. Don't let those trolls get to you :)

[EH]

Point taken, Murray.

Even if all the "corruptions" of BO's name is harmless fun, I still can't believe certain camps get offended by such name twisting - it's child's play compared to some of the visciousness and stalking Hillary supporters have been subjected to by these same people.

[FlaDem]

I've been using "BO" all along, but then again, I think it is only appropriate because his tactics stink anyway.

[Patsy]

The thing about real Hillary supporters is that we don't resort to these kids of tactics...Thats why I love coming to her site...

Hillary CHOSE to use her middle name as part of her full name when she first took the name of Clinton. For quite some time she remained Hillary Rodham even when they were married.

So HRC is perfectly appropriate as that is how she is listed on the ballot and the name she uses. *** is actually not what Barack Obama is listed as or chooses as a name for him. Best to stick with BO when using initials.

[Bloomer]

I agree B..O... is the perfect fit!

From now on Murray "BO" it will be.
Thanks for all you do here.

[freethinker]

Posted earlier, appropriate here.

I first voted in a Presidential election in 1972. Even before that I was involved in political causes. Never have I seen the likes of this primary. The right wing attacks on the Clinton's in the 90's were bad enough, but what has happened in this cycle is just incredible.

Vitriol. Hatred. Slander. Lies.

Okay, those are part of the political process and have been with us since the first caveman was elected head of the tribe. But this new medium called the internet has given us a tool of mass destruction. Remember the old sci-fi movies, where at the end, the hero says to the mad scientist villain, "If only you had used your genius for good instead of evil."

That is why this is the best forum on the internet.

Murray, you are that not so mad scientist, and we are your colleagues. This post is my humble tribute to your leadership and to the class exhibited by this forums members. In the face of the incredible vitriol exhibited by the OBots, members in this forum continue to do us all proud, both here and elsewhere.

To everyone who contributes here and elsewhere to get the word out in a reasoned, well researched, articulate manner, I thank you

What a beautifully articulated sentiment. Let us judge and be judged by reason and character.

[CGP]

OK, I can see we have about 95% in agreement which is good & most people understand what this thread is about & why I have written. So I am glad about that!

A few good points from the various posts which I agree with:

* Criticism which does not contain insulting nicknames generally has more power/weight and more credibility

* If people call Hillary by her first name, they should be calling Barack by his first name or if calling her Clinton, they should be calling him Obama - this mismatch is widespread across the internet (calling HC Hillary but BO Obama)

* Hillary's middle name is apparently Dianne/Diane (spelling?) so the correct comparison is H.D.C. versus B.H.O., and NOT H.R.C versus B.H.O. (many people across the Internet mistakenly think Rodham is Hillary's middle name which it is not - it's her premarried surname)

* The best way to respond to stalkers, haters and oppressors is to starve them of attention and not give them any material to work with!

[Musicdude]

Darn. :( And I had a new name for him. Mr. UNelectable. :D

[ginamc]

I generally use BO as shorthand for his full name. However, it can be viewed as a double entendre.

[Charlie Brown]

Its sad that Hillary gets called anything nasty and no one says anything.. I will try to call him only BO, or maybe the FRAUD, or the finger-flipping-senator/fool

I have never and will never refer to him as "Hu****n", b/c I am myself a minority of the asian/middle eastern group and agree it does not serve our cause.

thank you murray!!!!

I believe this is because most Hillary supporters arent internet stalkers either..But being respectful is the way to go for sure.

[Annie]

Murray,
Sen. Hillary middle name is Dianne.
I like ***. Otherwise I am tempted to write BOO. :D
I hope after 22 April we can BOO loudly and by end of May he should know public BOO.

Much more positive - Hillary Dianne Rodham Clinton

Diane is a French version of the old Latin name Diana. This name is of uncertain origin, though its roots are very old and may come from the same origin as the name Jupiter, king of the gods. In roman mythology, Diana was the goddess of the moon. She was also the goddess of hunting (like the ancient Greek goddess Artemis.) Diana lived in the forest with her maidens; she was pictured as a beautiful virgin, and men who tried to approach her or harm her favourite animals were punished.

[struck_dumb]

I try not to name him at all, but when I can't avoid it I like to use the name his family and friends growing up know him as, '*****.' I could go on a bit and explain why it speaks to important concerns that I personally have regarding his maturity level, and the massive shift in identity that he has obviously had. It freaks me out, TBH.

B and O are his initials, so the unfortunate coincidence with the other words that B and O are initials for can only be overlooked...:cool:

BTW, there's a group of his supporters on the Facebook website called 'I went Punahou with Barack Obama' (or s/t similar). On this website there are members who still refer to him as they know him, "*****"

What's wrong with that name anyway???? :confused: Why did he quit using it in the first place????:confused: Just two more questions for the BO team that will must needs go unanswered...

[YesSheCan]

except that hillary uses Rodham as her middle name, otherwise she would hyphenate her two last names. People forced her to take the Clinton name and were appalled that she had kept Rodham instead of being a good wife and taking Bill's name, --and now she is being criticized for having the Clinton name. And the powerful media makes fun of that name, Clinton, saying Oh we don't want another Clinton. So I think it is perfectly legitimate to fight fire with fire in this subtle way and use Obama's middle name and middle initial, and foolish to say that it is racist, when we don't say the other is sexist. If we don't want another CL****n name, we shouldn't want another Hu***n name either.

[CGP]

except that hillary uses Rodham as her middle name, otherwise she would hyphenate her two last names. People forced her to take the Clinton name and were appalled that she had kept Rodham instead of being a good wife and taking Bill's name, --and now she is being criticized for having the Clinton name. And the powerful media makes fun of that name, Clinton, saying Oh we don't want another Clinton. So I think it is perfectly legitimate to fight fire with fire in this subtle way and use Obama's middle name and middle initial, and foolish to say that it is racist, when we don't say the other is sexist. If we don't want another CL****n name, we shouldn't want another Hu***n name either.

You are welcome to your opinion, but I have already stated the guideline and won't be changing it.

[Cricket22]

OK, Murray has the right to set the rules but I don't understand why it is not pc to call a candidate by his full legal name. If he were elected president, would he be sworn in as Barack Obama? All other presidents have proudly used their full names as far as I know. And I haven't called him by his middle name in my posts but I think this is going too far. Why is his middle name such a no-no? Does it tell too much that no one wants to know about?
Hillary's name choices have been ridiculed right and left over the years. Personally, I think he should be referred to by his full name all the time. If he or his supporters are ashamed of it, that is their tough luck.
There must be ways to sort out the spammers other than this. But, here we are - yielding again. This may be my last post but let me tell you that I will know who 'he' is, including his full name, if he is sworn in as president and I will secede from the Democratic Party on that day. Good luck to us all.

[shadow]

It is such a small request. Just use his initails. Murray pays for this site and we are fortunate to have it. All that is being asked is that we at this site rise above this dirty politics and act as adults. If Senator Clinton is able to do that, surely we can.

[Laura Cereta]

DON'T HELP OUT THE HATERS WITH THEIR NASTY TRICKS!!



So, when specifically referring to Barack Obama, please use these 6 options only:

1. Barack

2. Barack Obama

3. Senator Barack Obama

4. Obama

5. Senator Obama

6. BO/B.O.

What are your preferences in referring to his supporters? I often call them Obamabots... is this acceptable?

Oh, and your irritation is understandable and completely natural given the circumstances. Please know that many of us share it. You have every right to set guidelines for a site that you pay for and manage. Hang in there... :)

[DarrellP]

Thanks Murray for the heads up on not using Obama's full name, it's a shame he's not proud of it though, and his supporters use it against Hillary supporters to try and discredit our views, but I don't want any distractions from revealing the truth about Obama's policies and political platform, Obama is not ready to be President, and Hillary supporters must do everything they possibly positively to prove and show that he's not the leader we need for this day and time.

[Jan26]

Actually, I see no record of any of your posts ever being removed. Moved to subforums, yes. But not removed. You can see your full list of posts and where they are here:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/search.php?searchid=56784

Zapped was shorthand for checked the one post with a banned name and found the name already had been *****. Was a little tired after logging a lot of time on family members' issues, taxes and work through yesterday so today would be free for calls for Hillary. It was worth it. Hillary's PA supporters are energetic and enthusiastic!

[Phoenix]

Yea...I agree with Murray for sure.

One of the many reasons I am voting for Senator Clinton is the utter disrespect Obama supporters show her in the blogs, forums, DU, etc. Early on in my decision process, I was turned off by their disrespectful articles. In my opinion, respectful articles have a better chance of influencing voters.

There are plenty of undecided voters who browse this forum as part of their decision making process.

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

Murray you are much appreciated and I will adhere to your request. I went to review my most recent post and made necessary changes. Thank you for this forum.

[Lodi]

Murray is absolutely correct. Respect is respect, and we're better than that. Don't stoop to their level. Quite frankly, I don't even like references to Sen. Clinton as Hillary when used in conjunction with Sen. Obama. They're both Senators. If she's Hillary, he's Barack. And if he's Obama, she's Clinton. That's just my pet peeve and I don't expect anyone else to do that, but I generally try to. Like I said, respect is respect.

I understand that whole balance thing, but I've often reverted to "Hillary" instead of "Sen. Clinton" because the latter, in my sleep-deprived mind, seems to obliterate her identity. Anyway, I'll be more mindful of this in future and will certainly adhere to Murray's rules from hereon in!

[shadow]

except that hillary uses Rodham as her middle name, otherwise she would hyphenate her two last names.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I use my first name, my maiden name, and my married name. no hyphens. Is there a rule we much use hyphens? A lot of married women do this. I don't get why this matters?

[Karen Keefe]

and practice makes progress--in language and political philosophy. Hillary fights fair--she calls Barack on his remarks or ideas without calling him names.

She is tough, fair, and compassionate and she has weathered some seriously misogynistic attitudes and language for years. If she can forge ahead with courage, determination and class, so can we. Ever notice how the group takes on the personality of the leader?

Hillary and her team--all of us--will be around for years. Let's set and hold an example of common courtesy along with our passionate support of our candidate.

Go, PA!

[Brooke]

Will do, Murray. Thanks.

[HRH Jorge]

I use BO mostly, or Obama.

For myself, I try to be as respectful as I can and tend to start my writing referring to his title as Senator. I am obsessed with Senatorial history - even if I disagree with them I still believe they deserve the respect garnered by their position.
HRH

[Musicdude]

By the way I googled up some republican forums the other day and went surfing through some threads and posts. 90% of the anti-Dem posts were about Obama. And they were over the top vicious, absolutely brutal. Many use his middle name as his first name, plus they say things far worse. They seemed like a pack of mean dogs in a cage looking at Obama as fresh meat, waitiing to be let loose if Obama is the nominee.
Hillary is not only the sane choice for President, but as supporters we are the most sane group. And I'm not being elitist saying that, lol It's just fact.

[shewolf]

we must rise above the temptation and remember that we are on a mission.
We are going to help Senator Clinton Rise and win PA with big numbers.and then the next one and so on!!!!!!!



Hillary 08

[Hillary-in-the-Box]

Right on Murray! Fantastic rule. The nicknames are petty and unnecessary.

Related to this thread, but not really: I was blessed (or cursed) with two first names. Heather Courtney. My whole life people have called be by my last name, thinking it was my first. It's part of me, so when I got married I kept my name. When we have children, all their middle names will be Courtney. :p

[thebword]

OK, I can see we have about 95% in agreement which is good & most people understand what this thread is about & why I have written. So I am glad about that!

A few good points from the various posts which I agree with:

* Criticism which does not contain insulting nicknames generally has more power/weight and more credibility

* If people call Hillary by her first name, they should be calling Barack by his first name or if calling her Clinton, they should be calling him Obama - this mismatch is widespread across the internet (calling HC Hillary but BO Obama)

* Hillary's middle name is apparently Dianne/Diane (spelling?) so the correct comparison is H.D.C. versus B.H.O., and NOT H.R.C versus B.H.O. (many people across the Internet mistakenly think Rodham is Hillary's middle name which it is not - it's her premarried surname)

* The best way to respond to stalkers, haters and oppressors is to starve them of attention and not give them any material to work with!

I agree completely. I think the unbecoming behavior of the pro Sen. Obama bloggers is part of the reason some MSM has slightly turned back to Sen. Clinton. It shuts people down to the message if it is delivered in a off putting name calling bash of their candidate. We should stay respectful and civil in our posts, just maybe a troller will be swayed by our information.

[suerw]

[/COLOR]

I agree completely. I think the unbecoming behavior of the pro Sen. Obama bloggers is part of the reason some MSM has slightly turned back to Sen. Clinton. It shuts people down to the message if it is delivered in a off putting name calling bash of their candidate. We should stay respectful and civil in our posts, just maybe a troller will be swayed by our information.

I am in complete agreement with Murray regarding not using derogatory nicknames when referring to Senator Obama. Certainly Senator Clinton would not do so and she has set a standard I'm glad to see we'll be following on this forum.

[joeylee]

If there is one thing that is really getting on my last nerve it is these automated calls I am getting today for HIM! THREE just today, all automated, one was Casey, one other, some one unknown to me, and the other, His Wife! I just keep hanging up, they are annoying!

When I make calls for Senator Clinton*, no wonder people are generally VERY nice, they're Happy that I am at least HUMAN!

Arrghhh! :mad:
Thank God She* Will Win Today!
And Yes, I Voted this morning....
JoeyLee* :)

[MS BLUEGRASS]

I knew I should have looked at this thread earlier! roflmao.

OMG People, get a grip! It's like CRAZYTOWN on here....70 posts on BO/B.O.'s name...by the way Murray, that was #6 on your list and I thought it was the best! It reminds me too much of body odor...lol

I cannot remember who else had the one about the finger-flippin-fool, but I thought it was pretty good too!

If Hillary were here she would be laughin her a** off...can't you hear it now! I looove her laugh...that people are always making fun of her for, but i love it..so gut-deep, heart-felt and genuine! Once she wins the Presidency, I hope she just lets go with the biggest hahahahahaha!

Anyway, since I had not read this post, and I thought we were not allowed to use BO/B.O.'S name in a title so that is why I put "You Know Who"...BLARGH!

NO! NO! I had to go back and correct myself...not 50 posts---70!

[MS BLUEGRASS]

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I use my first name, my maiden name, and my married name. no hyphens. Is there a rule we much use hyphens? A lot of married women do this. I don't get why this matters?

O.K. I guess I should have put this in my other post! Ah Heck...we'll just go ahead and shoot for 75 posts on this mundane topic!

Since I am Diane, I have to set the record straight. :p:p Senator Clinton's given name is Hillary Diane Rodham. She does not use her middle name since she married and instead, like many women of our generation, (not wanting to give up her TOTAL identity) she goes by Hillary Rodham Clinton. (no-hyphen) (By the way, DIANE IS the correct spelling)

"Senator Clinton" is the more respectful way to address her, at least till after November (Then it will be Madam President)! I personally think since "Hillary" is the way she often signs autographs, and is on all her merchandise, and it has become a "trade name" like kleenix and coca-cola in the lexicon, it is fine to refer to her in casual conversation and blogging as "Hillary". After all, is there anyone in the world who does not know who "Hillary" and Obama" are?

I would never refer to her to her face (I WISH) by anything other than "Senator Clinton" or "President Clinton"! So THERE!!! Can you tell I have far too much time on my hands! CRAZYTOWN INDEED!

[Kbentleyis]

On last night's Larry King show, Jahmal ? can't remember his last name... anyway said that he was a guest on a radio show that day and he took phone calls for 20 minutes. Besides the calls, and what he's seen on the internet, he realized how many African Americans hated HRC. I guess these people had outlandish statements.

However, he added, some were legit!!!

She is a former first lady. There is no such thing as respect anymore. We are better than those people who are so disrespectful. However, I've been sending my message to NC and Indiana news papers of "I want to know, the people want to know..." regarding Senator Obama's past/present affiliations with questionable people. Who knows, I might actually get some action.

Well, at least Senator Obama's campaign committee can't blame Senator Clinton for the new add that's come out in NC. Senator McCain's campaign camp is not withdrawing it either! Senator McCain says he doesn't tell his campaign committee what to do. So... if Senator Obama and the rest of the news media think Senator Clinton was negative, surely they ain't seen nothing yet!

Kathy

[joeylee]

Hey "KB*",
I had a similar situation on Tuesday morning, we were on our way to a Dr. Appt. in Wilkes-Barre-, about a 40 minute drive from Scranton. On the way, we had on a radio show, it was 100% Pro-Obama. They were asking for people to call in that had voted, share their experiences, so I did. Well, I said that "In MY own experiences, I didn't understand why those that were Pro-Obama had been exceptionally rude and crude to me, personally, for no reason other than I support Senator Clinton*", immediately the male counterpart of this show jumped right down my throat. Thankfully the female counter-host reminded this guy that I was only speaking of my OWN personal experiences, not making a "general" statement. The guy didn't let up and I refused to give in. I stated that Senator Clinton IS a Champion on SS, Medicare, Medicaid and Equality. I got my own words in, even though they tried to knock me out.

Shortly after, I was able to get through to Sue Henry's show, also on the radio, asking for the same, but from those that had voted and "what they thought", I saw it as an opportunity to again, Press in why I believe in Senator Clinton, how I had finally met her at King's College and how it was simply "Magical" for me.

All in All, for having a Dr. Appt. on Voting day, I'd say I was able to get out quite a few of my own opinions and all out in the public on Radio! Not bad for somebody like me.. Eh?

JoeyLee* - We Do What We Can to Assure that our Candidate for President is Senator Clinton*! No Matter how, we just DO IT.

[CGP]

This thread needs re-activating. In recent times various different nicknames for Barack Obama have been creeping back into this forum. As we discussed some time back, please refrain from using such nicknames as they clash with the forum's efforts to maintain a degree of decorum and civility. So I ask that you simply use correct terms: Obama, Barack Obama, BO, BHO etc. No variations please.

[Hillarysmygirl08]

I see the reason for not saying Husein it is really meant to spread fair. Murrey is right. I will have to write either Barack or Obama because I have dyslexia and the two B's will make me write the entire post backwards. I kid you not.

[MaryKay]

So "delegate stealing SOB" is out of question? Sorry, ... you know me, I could not resist...:D

If anyone takes this post out of context, you know I will take full responsibility... ;)

Muzza, you rock!

[VotingHillary]

It's the only way to stop the dirty tactics of the trolls. I know what they are up to.

Muzza, I respect your request...no more BammBamm from me..I promise.

[deniseds]

I am sorry Murray. I think I referred to him as Barry somewhere. I will stick to the rules and I understand.

[VotingHillary]

Posted earlier, appropriate here.

I first voted in a Presidential election in 1972. Even before that I was involved in political causes. Never have I seen the likes of this primary. The right wing attacks on the Clinton's in the 90's were bad enough, but what has happened in this cycle is just incredible.

Vitriol. Hatred. Slander. Lies.

Okay, those are part of the political process and have been with us since the first caveman was elected head of the tribe. But this new medium called the internet has given us a tool of mass destruction. Remember the old sci-fi movies, where at the end, the hero says to the mad scientist villain, "If only you had used your genius for good instead of evil."

That is why this is the best forum on the internet.

Murray, you are that not so mad scientist, and we are your colleagues. This post is my humble tribute to your leadership and to the class exhibited by this forums members. In the face of the incredible vitriol exhibited by the OBots, members in this forum continue to do us all proud, both here and elsewhere.

To everyone who contributes here and elsewhere to get the word out in a reasoned, well researched, articulate manner, I thank you

Murray gave us all a home that we have lived in for so long...respect the house rather than question the house rules...period.

[Tareli]

Obama and the DNC remind me of Lord Voldermort and The Death Eaters in the Harry Potter books. I hate saying Obama's name and even writing it. I would rather call him "He who shall not be named," but I will abide by the rules and call him BO from now on.

[Paul F. Villarreal]

I'm glad this thread was dug up.

We are very, very close, in my opinion, to being able to put this guy away, politically.

What that means is that he and his band of misfits will be looking, desperately, for any kind of hand holds to keep their guy afloat.

Yep - race card.

Right now, Jerome Corsi, Georgia, John Edwards and Obama himself are doing all of our work for us.

All we have to do is not get caught in a trap or say something that will give Obama political breath.

Definitely time to watch that we all don't say anything to help this guy save himself.

He is going down. You can feel it and it's going to get worse. Let's not help him at all to get out of the position he deserves to be in.

[hillary4change]

I try to stay within the rules. I ahave slipped a few times, but it has been quite awhile now though. But I will continue to keep myself in check.
Thanks for all you do Murray!:p

[Paul F. Villarreal]

I try to stay within the rules. I ahave slipped a few times, but it has been quite awhile now though. But I will continue to keep myself in check.
Thanks for all you do Murray!:p

I know I've been far from perfect, myself.

It's easy to get mad at Fake Messiah.

But now, instead of being mad, we can just laugh at him as he implodes!

:):)

[NSTYLE77]

Actually, if a women choses to keep her maiden name when she gets married she usually drops her middle name. My maiden name is Lopez and I use it as my middle name. So HRC is correct!
Overall, I suppose I can see what you are saying about respect.
OK, I can see we have about 95% in agreement which is good & most people understand what this thread is about & why I have written. So I am glad about that!

A few good points from the various posts which I agree with:

* Criticism which does not contain insulting nicknames generally has more power/weight and more credibility

* If people call Hillary by her first name, they should be calling Barack by his first name or if calling her Clinton, they should be calling him Obama - this mismatch is widespread across the internet (calling HC Hillary but BO Obama)

* Hillary's middle name is apparently Dianne/Diane (spelling?) so the correct comparison is H.D.C. versus B.H.O., and NOT H.R.C versus B.H.O. (many people across the Internet mistakenly think Rodham is Hillary's middle name which it is not - it's her premarried surname)

* The best way to respond to stalkers, haters and oppressors is to starve them of attention and not give them any material to work with!

[hipelayne]

Thanks Muzza. We need to keep this the respectable place that it always has been. Thanks for all you do - I know we're not an easy bunch, but we do try :)

[Hillicrat]

[quote=Muzza;60916]OK, I can see we have about 95% in agreement which is good & most people understand what this thread is about & why I have written. So I am glad about that!

A few good points from the various posts which I agree with:

* Criticism which does not contain insulting nicknames generally has more power/weight and more credibility

* If people call Hillary by her first name, they should be calling Barack by his first name or if calling her Clinton, they should be calling him Obama - this mismatch is widespread across the internet (calling HC Hillary but BO Obama)* Hillary's middle name is apparently Dianne/Diane (spelling?) so the correct comparison is H.D.C. versus B.H.O., and NOT H.R.C versus B.H.O. (many people across the Internet mistakenly think Rodham is Hillary's middle name which it is not - it's her premarried surname)

* The best way to respond to stalkers, haters and oppressors is to starve them of attention and not give them any material to work with! Feed a cold, starve a fever. [quote]

This line stood out for me because I often call Senator Clinton by her first name to ditinguish her from President Clinton and I call Senator Obama by his last name because it is easier to type. I will switch to using initials because this is getting petty, but I do understand. Unfortunely these people who brought up this issue should be looking in their own bed and clean up their supporter's blogs and not worry about what HC's blogs are doing. These have been mild compared to what I have seen elsewhere.

[abw11]

Thanks for the site Murray.

You run a good one.

Wish I could have said it with as much class as Santiago.

[dianawithalittled]

Agreed!

[ivotedforhillary]

B . O. :mad::eek::mad::eek::mad::eek::mad::eek::mad::eek:

B. O. Probably put his Violent Followers up to complaining about this forum.

[indigo]

i will respect the rules and call him Obama on this forum...even though his legal name is Barry Soetoro and I think most Americans don't know he is eally
Barack Obama/aka Barry Soetoro. After some research, no one can find that he ever changed his name legally to Barack Obama. He also lied on his registration for the Illinois bar by not disclosing his other name, ie Barry Soetoro.

[LucyTN]

[quote=Muzza;60916]OK, I can see we have about 95% in agreement which is good & most people understand what this thread is about & why I have written. So I am glad about that!

A few good points from the various posts which I agree with:

* Criticism which does not contain insulting nicknames generally has more power/weight and more credibility

* If people call Hillary by her first name, they should be calling Barack by his first name or if calling her Clinton, they should be calling him Obama - this mismatch is widespread across the internet (calling HC Hillary but BO Obama)* Hillary's middle name is apparently Dianne/Diane (spelling?) so the correct comparison is H.D.C. versus B.H.O., and NOT H.R.C versus B.H.O. (many people across the Internet mistakenly think Rodham is Hillary's middle name which it is not - it's her premarried surname)

* The best way to respond to stalkers, haters and oppressors is to starve them of attention and not give them any material to work with! Feed a cold, starve a fever. [quote]

This line stood out for me because I often call Senator Clinton by her first name to ditinguish her from President Clinton and I call Senator Obama by his last name because it is easier to type. I will switch to using initials because this is getting petty, but I do understand. Unfortunely these people who brought up this issue should be looking in their own bed and clean up their supporter's blogs and not worry about what HC's blogs are doing. These have been mild compared to what I have seen elsewhere.I was taught, and apparently so were many other women, that when you marry you drop your middle name and use your maiden name. So, Hillary Rodham Clinton would be correct. I can certainly see why BO would not want his middle name used, but that doesn't change facts. It is his name.

I agree with you that Hillary Clinton has suffered far more degrading nicknames than Barack Obama ever will.

[Alex01]

i will respect the rules and call him Obama on this forum...even though his legal name is Barry Soetoro and I think most Americans don't know he is eally
Barack Obama/aka Barry Soetoro. After some research, no one can find that he ever changed his name legally to Barack Obama. He also lied on his registration for the Illinois bar by not disclosing his other name, ie Barry Soetoro.

Geez, I wasn't really into calling him names before; now that I see this thread, my brain is automatically coming up with all these new good ones.:D

Why are we not supposed to call him "Barry"?

[Aria]

I'd just like to make an observation about how we refer to Hillary, and I use both "Hillary" and "Senator Clinton" in referring to her. Maybe this should be another thread, but:

I think it's interesting that, to Hillary supporters, "Hillary" seems to be a term that rises above the commonly held belief that you must use her title to denote proper respect. In other words, "Hillary" itself has become a term of love and respect - and further, I think that she realizes that and doesn't mind at all.

However, when commentators refer to her as Hillary and BO as Obama or even Senator Obama in the same breath, I have had concern that it's done intentionally to diminish her and that it does accomplish that in the public eye. However, sometimes I've even thought that when her detractors call her Hillary it also reflects a certain comfort level with her that they perhaps would not admit, like "everyone knows" that her name stands for "substance and hard work" and "she doesn't really need titles." However, there's probably more truth to the former than the latter, considering the source!

All this to say that I have wondered if we do her a disservice by not calling her Senator Clinton - but it just seems that she has "earned' a special niche or place in history as "Hillary," and that she doesn't really need any of her titles from her supporters, other than "Madame President!" :)

I'd be interested in hearing what others think about this.

[Agent 00½ FL]

Sorry Muzza, had not seen this thread before. The date 4/20, I think was before I joined the forum. Thanks for the reminder. Do you want us to edit all are posts? Don't want to cause any trouble for the forum.

[CGP]

Sorry Muzza, had not seen this thread before. The date 4/30, I think was before I joined the forum. Thanks for the reminder. Do you want us to edit all are posts? Don't want to cause any trouble for the forum.

No, focus on the future. The editing feature lapses for members after 24 hours of making a particular post.

[SugnSpicesmom]

Muzza,

You are the boss! After your last reminder to us, I was really good. Then as others started slipping, I started slipping as well. It's not as much fun to call him Obama, Barack, or BO but......I'll play nice. But, in my mind I'll still be calling him.....well, you know!:D

Actually, would it be inappropriate to just call him "The Moron?"

[foxyladi]

Well heck...just when I enjoyed coming up with new ones! LOL :D

me too but MUZZA IS RIGHT
THANK YOU MUZZA

[DarrellP]

Hussin is Obama's middle name what's the problem here? if he does not like his middle name, change it, I don't think it's fair that you moderators want to tell us not to call the man by his name, that's the man's name, we have done nothing wrong here, it's not like we called Obama out of his name. That's very insecure of us if we let the Obamabots dictate and ridicule us for using Obama's middle name, if that's the case, we're not as strong as we say we are.

If we let someone or something dictate to us not to do or do when a fact and truth is right in front of us. then We need to check ourselves to see whether the Obamabots are able to control what we say or do, if that's the case, we are too weak to try and help Hillary get nominated, if we can't stand the heat we need to get out of the kitchen, they we try to make us look bad and twist things to their advantage on whatever we say or do, it's up to us not to fall for the ookie dook and stick to our agenda, tha's to get HIllary nominated, not sweat small stuff like what to call Obama, we have greater fish to fry right now.

Go Hillary08!!

[CGP]

Hussin is Obama's middle name what's the problem here? if he does not like his middle name, change it, I don't think it's fair that you moderators want to tell us not to call the man by his name, that's the man's name, we have done nothing wrong here, it's not like we called Obama out of his name. That's very stupid if we let the Obamabots dictate and ridicule us for using Obama's middle name, if that's the case we're not as strong as we say we are, if we let someone or something dictate to us not to do or do when a fact and truth is right in front of us.

Go Hillary08!!

It's less about use of his middle name...That is no longer the focus of this thread. If you want to call him by his fall 3 pronged name (Barrack Hussein Obama) or initials (BHO), that's your choice. If you want to just call him by his middle name (Hussein), than that doesn't make sense and wouldn't be supported here.

The issue is more referring to Obama by other names eg Odrama, Ofraud, Obambi. This is what I am talking about it and that is what people have been asked NOT to do.

[Justmy.02]

Oops. I think I've transgressed lately.

Please accept my humble apologies...

[ILBlue]

I always used BO but now that we have seen his other name Barry Soetoro?

I was starting to use BS . Is that acceptable since we know at some point those were his initials? ( this is an honest question here not a snark ):confused:

[DarrellP]

Thanks for clearing that up for me, you are right on this one when you stated just calling him Hussin, that is making fun of Obama's name, which is trying to equate him to Saddam Hussin, I think that wrong too. Now we're on the same page

Thanks,

Go Hillary08!!

[SoCal4Hillary]

Wow...I was really surprised to see this old thread resurrected. :eek:

Personally, I see no problem WHATSOEVER with referring to Obama by his actual name, which is apparently Barry Soetoro. I mean, come on, that's what was on his school registration papers. And...well, that makes it handy to also refer to him by the very appropriate initials, BS. :D

[CGP]

I always used BO but now that we have seen his other name Barry Soetoro?

I was starting to use BS . Is that acceptable since we know at some point those were his initials? ( this is an honest question here not a snark ):confused:

I think BO is better as BS isn't widely understood as being intials for Barry Soetoro. And people could confuse BS for "bullsh*t" ;)

So, I suggest using BO or BHO. And not BS.

[SadStateOfAffairs]

Guilty as charged. I will be more mindful. Sorry Muzza.:(

[FLHillRodSupporter]

What he's been called here is actually nice compared to other places on the 'net.

But I'll comply and call him B.O. :p (if I personally use a name at all... I think most people here know who we talk about when he's mentioned)

Obama and the DNC remind me of Lord Voldermort and The Death Eaters in the Harry Potter books. I hate saying Obama's name and even writing it. I would rather call him "He who shall not be named," but I will abide by the rules and call him BO from now on.

Haha... me too!

[CGP]

Personally, I see no problem WHATSOEVER with referring to Obama by his actual name, which is apparently Barry Soetero. I mean, come on, that's what was on his school registration papers. And...well, that makes it handy to also refer to him by the very appropriate initials, BS. :D

It's not about that anymore...If people want to use his birth name (Barry Soetero), then so be it. Not that it really makes sense to do so when it's not the name he uses anymore. Would be kind of like referring to musicians who use stage names by their birth name.

I am more referring to the usage of terms such as Ofraud, Obambi, Odrama, Ovomit, Obummer, Obamessiah etc. In my opinion the use of such nickames actually distracts (and detracts) from what is being communicated in a post. And it leads to detractors focusing on minor details (eg use of negative nicknames) as a way to discredit forum postings. We don't need that.

[Kbentleyis]

Will do Murray. Our integrity is more important than a nickname. I use BHO all of the time, is that okay?

[CGP]

I use BHO all of the time, is that okay?

Yes, as it's technically accurate!

[Pamcake85]

Thanks for clarifying, Murray. I agree 100% that refraining from insults will lend much more credibility to what we're all trying to do. I mean, people are already accusing us of being "bitter" left and right, and I guess the nicknames don't help.

On another note, do you have any similar guidelines for referring to Obama supporters?

[efemall]

The right wing is famous for using nick names for Obama. Ann Coulter for example with B. Hussein, or Hannity's "Annoited One".

I agree that using the proper name would give us more credibility, and i think using nicknames was a way of venting frustration.

[mjno7777]

B.O. or OBAMA is my preferred reference. Thanks for the reminder.

[Aria]

I'm one of those who have trouble referring to him by any name and had resorted to either whatzizname or just plain O. My guess is that whatzizname would not be acceptable, but how about O? On this forum, everyone would know that it is not O for Oprah.

Your wish is my command, Muzza - Administrator!

[ILBlue]

Ok, thank you for clearing that up. I'll go back to BO.

[CGP]

On another note, do you have any similar guidelines for referring to Obama supporters?

I left them out of it...

[CGP]

I'm one of those who have trouble referring to him by any name and had resorted to either whatzizname or just plain O. My guess is that whatzizname would not be acceptable, but how about O? On this forum, everyone would know that it is not O for Oprah.

Your wish is my command, Muzza - Administrator!

I think "O" is probably not clear enough. OB would be ok.

[Suzan]

What Santigao said:

Originally Posted by Santiago
Posted earlier, appropriate here.

I first voted in a Presidential election in 1972. Even before that I was involved in political causes. Never have I seen the likes of this primary. The right wing attacks on the Clinton's in the 90's were bad enough, but what has happened in this cycle is just incredible.

Vitriol. Hatred. Slander. Lies.

Okay, those are part of the political process and have been with us since the first caveman was elected head of the tribe. But this new medium called the internet has given us a tool of mass destruction. Remember the old sci-fi movies, where at the end, the hero says to the mad scientist villain, "If only you had used your genius for good instead of evil."

That is why this is the best forum on the internet.

Murray, you are that not so mad scientist, and we are your colleagues. This post is my humble tribute to your leadership and to the class exhibited by this forums members. In the face of the incredible vitriol exhibited by the OBots, members in this forum continue to do us all proud, both here and elsewhere.

To everyone who contributes here and elsewhere to get the word out in a reasoned, well researched, articulate manner, I thank you

[Bad Kitty]

Reread and understood. ;)

[Suzan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pamcake85
On another note, do you have any similar guidelines for referring to Obama supporters?

I left them out of it...

LOL! Thank you!

[ImmaSlave4U]

I use BHO all of the time, is that okay?

Yes, as it's technically accurate!

Well, I'm glad you changed your tune on this one. I remember professing months ago, "But that's what we call him in the Clinton Campaign office!"

Anyway, thanks for the reminder about avoiding the other, more creative nicknames.

[CGP]

Well, I'm glad you changed your tune on this one. I remember professing months ago, "But that's what we call him in the Clinton Campaign office!"


Yes, I moved on from worrying about that one! ;)

[Optixmom]

*Optix walks quietly to the naughty chair in the corner*

[wasGOPnowInd]

Okay, while I agree with you, and we are all God's children...even Barack Obama and his supporters, it is sometimes difficult given the number of times I have been called a racist c**t by those same trolls.

However, I agree that turning the other cheek is the best way to love our neighbor.

Peace to you (and allow me the occasional ranting in my corner of the room)

[LetsHelpAmerica]

*Optix walks quietly to the naughty chair in the corner*

Yikes!!! I think I might have to join you! I just noticed this thread!!! It's going to be difficult, but I will turn a new leaf!!! :(

[jcless]

Thank you for the clarification and apologies for any complications, disparaging remarks or any other abuse you've had to contend with.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

Okay, while I agree with you, and we are all God's children...even Barack Obama and his supporters, it is sometimes difficult given the number of times I have been called a racist c**t by those same trolls.

However, I agree that turning the other cheek is the best way to love our neighbor.

Peace to you (and allow me the occasional ranting in my corner of the room)

I hear you! I've been called similar things and worse! It's been so bad, my computer has even turned red!!! And, NEVER have I called Mr Obama anything worse than The Fraud or Nobama. But, like I've said, I shall turn a new leaf!!!!!!!!!!! Really, I will !

[thebword]

Muzza, thank you for the reminder to keep us above the fray. This Forum is a model all others should aspire to.

[santafegal]

I

So, I suggest using BO or BHO. And not BS.

Phew....I got used to using the three initials.

Thank you MUZZA for keeping the forum on the high road. With the convention looming and awful MSM spinning, things have become very stressful lately. It's good to hang on to decorum. :)

[Jen the Michigander]

I hadn't seen this thread before.

OK, I'll be good and not use derogatory nicknames for Obama anymore. I'll save those for when I post on Hillaryis44. ;)

[Bad Kitty]

*Optix walks quietly to the naughty chair in the corner*

Yikes!!! I think I might have to join you! I just noticed this thread!!! It's going to be difficult, but I will turn a new leaf!!! :(

Don't worry. We are all in the corner together.

[CGP]

Thank you MUZZA for keeping the forum on the high road. With the convention looming and awful MSM spinning, things have become very stressful lately. It's good to hang on to decorum. :)

Yes, maintaining decorum and class is important! ;)

[Tom Terrific]

I'd just like to make an observation about how we refer to Hillary, and I use both "Hillary" and "Senator Clinton" in referring to her. Maybe this should be another thread, but:

I think it's interesting that, to Hillary supporters, "Hillary" seems to be a term that rises above the commonly held belief that you must use her title to denote proper respect. In other words, "Hillary" itself has become a term of love and respect - and further, I think that she realizes that and doesn't mind at all.

However, when commentators refer to her as Hillary and BO as Obama or even Senator Obama in the same breath, I have had concern that it's done intentionally to diminish her and that it does accomplish that in the public eye. However, sometimes I've even thought that when her detractors call her Hillary it also reflects a certain comfort level with her that they perhaps would not admit, like "everyone knows" that her name stands for "substance and hard work" and "she doesn't really need titles." However, there's probably more truth to the former than the latter, considering the source!

All this to say that I have wondered if we do her a disservice by not calling her Senator Clinton - but it just seems that she has "earned' a special niche or place in history as "Hillary," and that she doesn't really need any of her titles from her supporters, other than "Madame President!" :)

I'd be interested in hearing what others think about this.

Actually, hasn't she referred to herself by just her first name in some of her campaign materials?

I read somewhere that, like Madonna, Hillary is one of those rare people who are known around the world by their first names. Speak of "Hillary," and people everywhere know whom you mean. In her case, referring to her by her first name is not a sign of uninvited familiarity - which is why it is usually considered disrespectful - but a measure of her stratospheric renown.

I think your idea, above, about people's comfort level is well-conceived. I also think it may be that referring to Hillary by her first name betokens a degree of affection, a strength of feeling usually associated with someone one is close to. How often do you hear it from someone who doesn't like her, comparatively speaking?

[mjno7777]

reminder.

[JJ4Hillary]

I will do as you say.:)

[Folamix]

Murray is absolutely correct. Respect is respect, and we're better than that. Don't stoop to their level. Quite frankly, I don't even like references to Sen. Clinton as Hillary when used in conjunction with Sen. Obama. They're both Senators. If she's Hillary, he's Barack. And if he's Obama, she's Clinton. That's just my pet peeve and I don't expect anyone else to do that, but I generally try to. Like I said, respect is respect.

I most certainly concur with Murray. I try not to use Hillary either when referring to Senator Clinton, but I admit that I have slipped a few times. I try to use HRC and BO.

I may not care for him as a candidate but I will not bastardize his name, just like I wouldn't like him doing the same to me.

Oops, I just figured out what BS stood for. My bad!!

[Bad Kitty]

Reminder of the Day. :D

[Charlie Brown]

She goes by Hillary on her campaign...whats the problem...I think she likes the attention in this manner...I mean think about it with all the negative press Im sure she likes a endearing way of reference...She is a fighter for the normal American...Calling her Hillary makes her human...

Just like Mccain being called Mac...I like that also....

[santafegal]

She goes by Hillary on her campaign...whats the problem...I think she likes the attention in this manner...I mean think about it with all the negative press Im sure she likes a endearing way of reference...She is a fighter for the normal American...Calling her Hillary makes her human...

Just like Mccain being called Mac...I like that also....

Uh oh...are we not supposed to be calling Hillary, Hillary any more.? http://bestsmileys.com/blushing/2.gif

[Mrsawd]

I try to stick to this but I have trouble doing so !

[CGP]

Uh oh...are we not supposed to be calling Hillary, Hillary any more.? http://bestsmileys.com/blushing/2.gif

Hillary is 100% ok! ;)

[EinNC]

In my haste and irritated state yesterday I posted something on another thread that could possibly have been construed as racist. After having been quickly "moderated" I realized that I should not have posted in that manner.

And so, I apologize and will make every effort in the future to ensure that my post, even though few and far between, are kept within a higher standard of decorum.

[VANITY4HILLARY]

DON'T HELP OUT THE HATERS WITH THEIR NASTY TRICKS!!

I am setting this ground rule because various OBAMA CONCERN TROLLS have joined this site at various points to try and incite Hillary supporters through using sensationalistic names for Obama. All have been banned - though it's never possible to know that all trolls have been banned as some are super committed to infiltrating. Their strategy is to try and construct Hillary supporters on this site (and other pro-hillary sites) as "extremist", "racist", "marginal" so as to discredit your views as having any value. Don't fall for their tactics. If any of you have innocently used nicknames, no need to freak out, just don't do it from this point onwards as doing so plays into the games/tactics of our detractors. It's unfortunatle that such rigidity is required, but thank the behavior of extremist Obama supporters for this latest rule.

So, when specifically referring to Barack Obama, please use these 6 options only:

1. Barack

2. Barack Obama

3. Senator Barack Obama

4. Obama

5. Senator Obama

6. BO/B.O.

ok cool now i know why I was warned.This make a lot of sense.
Poor Obama fans they are

[CGP]

For the newer people.

No Obama nicknames please.

[CGP]

Bumping.

[Mallory]

What can I say? I am SO IMPRESSED WITH THIS SITE!

THANK YOU, Muzza, and other Moderators for your above board ethics. RESPECT, RESPECT , RESPECT.

[CGP]

What can I say? I am SO IMPRESSED WITH THIS SITE!

THANK YOU, Muzza, and other Moderators for your above board ethics. RESPECT, RESPECT , RESPECT.

Thanks Mallory. We try. The internet is an uncontrollable beast at times, so setting a few groundrules in forums is essential.

[nycboy]

Hi Murray,

If you have received any email or legal notice, just share it here and we will get some legal opinion as probably many here have family members who are lawyers and can assist with such kind of issues.

:)

[CGP]

Hi Murray,

If you have received any email or legal notice, just share it here and we will get some legal opinion as probably many here have family members who are lawyers and can assist with such kind of issues.

:)

No, haven't received any such notice!

Just upholding a degree of civility (something that is so surely lacking on some other sites). ;)

[Molly]

Right!!! I was on the obama site today - WE are talked about - alot. The comments there about Palin - baby - are a DISGRACE! They now blog about this site - and have commented to back off the "baby" story - they want to look "clean" and not attract attention or look connected in any way to the "leak". Hillary Clinton is mentioned also - asking where SHE is now to help obama - and bash Palin! Seem to NEED Hillary now to help their guy win. Don't go there!

[mjoynaples]

I think BO is better as BS isn't widely understood as being intials for Barry Soetoro. And people could confuse BS for "bullsh*t" ;)

So, I suggest using BO or BHO. And not BS.

will go with BO if you insist thanks for keeping our integrity alive!

[Horizon]

This is another thread I will keep bumping to ease Muzza's irritation.

[Latina4Hillary]

Thanks. I'll just use Obama or BO.

[gaziza]

I totally agree with this as a matter of course here or anywhere else. When you engage in a conversation about politics and someone uses a derogatory nickname for a person, you can basically immediately break off the discussion. It can give you the feeling that you are talking to an ideologue who will not discuss something like an adult, and may not be capable of critical thinking. Of course this is the internet, and this stuff goes on everywhere, but it is nice to get a break from it and you'll get better results if you want to engage people who may not be completely like-minded.

(Although I have to say, seeing "Oblahblah" here gave me a chuckle, it was a new one to me).

[sakonhagakure]

PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THESE MATTERS

I am setting this ground rule because various OBAMA CONCERN TROLLS have joined this site at various points to try and incite Hillary supporters through using sensationalistic names for Obama. All have been banned - though it's never possible to know that all trolls have been banned as some are super committed to infiltrating. Their strategy is to try and construct Hillary supporters on this site (and other pro-hillary sites) as "extremist", "racist", "marginal" so as to discredit your views as having any value. Don't fall for their tactics. If any of you have innocently used nicknames, no need to freak out, just don't do it from this point onwards as doing so plays into the games/tactics of our detractors. It's unfortunatle that such rigidity is required, but thank the behavior of extremist Obama supporters for this latest rule.

So, when specifically referring to Barack Obama, please use these 6 options only:

1. Barack

2. Barack Obama

3. Senator Barack Obama

4. Obama

5. Senator Obama

6. BO/B.O.

Why can't we use Barack Hussein Obama or B.Hussein Obama or Barry Satoro?

[hobbitt]

Why can't we use Barack Hussein Obama or B.Hussein Obama or Barry Satoro?

Because Murray, the administrator, owner and payer-of-the-bills of this forum has asked us not to.

[CGP]

Because Murray, the administrator, owner and payer-of-the-bills of this forum has asked us not to.

Pretty good reason, I say! ;)

[woman4change]

BO

(I always called him that, sorry I can't have any integrity in my thoughts) :D

[Masiro]

Barry Toot didn't make the list.....

It's a shame.

[Optixmom]

Reminder for the newbies...

[Michael White]

But his friends get to call him " Barry." I wanna be his friend. I want to write a book about him in twenty years or so about his big loss in 2008 and his life now in FRANCE.

It's a shame we can't SAY his middle name. But happy Hillary RODMAN Clinton isn't ashamed of hers.

[CGP]

But his friends get to call him " Barry." I wanna be his friend. I want to write a book about him in twenty years or so about his big loss in 2008 and his life now in FRANCE.

It's a shame we can't SAY his middle name. But happy Hillary RODMAN Clinton isn't ashamed of hers.

Rodham is not her middle name. Diane is. Rodham is her unmarried name.

So if you want to say Barrack Hussein Obama, you have to say Hillary Diane Clinton. That's the direct comparison.

[LucyTN]

Muzza, when a woman marries their maiden name becomes the name they use as their middle name or initial. Therefore, her correct name is Hillary Rodham Clinton. At least that's how it was when I was in school, and is how my name, has been for the last 45 years. I'm trying to think of any of my friends who don't use their maiden name instead of their middle name, and can't.

[CGP]

Muzza, when a woman marries their maiden name becomes the name they use as their middle name or initial. Therefore, her correct name is Hillary Rodham Clinton. At least that's how it was when I was in school, and is how my name, has been for the last 45 years. I'm trying to think of any of my friends who don't use their maiden name instead of their middle name, and can't.

Some women do. It's up to the individual. Personally, I've never replaced my mother's middle name with her maiden name.

The point is that the only direct comparison is their formal middle name (excluding name changes due to marriage). And that's Hussein vs. Diane.

[Irony!]

Bump