Howard Dean Needs to Resign!

[Disfranchised]

WASHINGTON - Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged Florida and Michigan party officials to come up with plans to repeat their presidential nominating contests so that their delegates can be counted.

"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated," Dean said during a round of interviews Thursday on network and cable TV news programs.

The two state parties will have to find the funds to pay for new contests without help from the national party, Dean said.

"We can't afford to do that. That's not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race," he said.

Officials in Michigan and Florida are showing renewed interest in holding repeat presidential nominating contests so that their votes will count in the epic Democratic campaign.

The Michigan governor, top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign, and Florida's state party chair all are now saying they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. That's a change from the previous insistence from officials in both states that the primaries they held in January should determine how their delegates are allocated.

Clinton campaign communications director Howard Wolfson said in a conference call with reporters Thursday that it's hard to envision a scenario where the Florida and Michigan delegations are not seated at the conventions.

That would send a "very unsettling signal to the people of those states," Wolfson said.

Asked whether the campaign favored a caucus over a primary if the states had a do-over, he said it would be premature to comment on any particular one at this point.

Clinton won both contests, but the results were meaningless because the elections violated national party rules.

"We believe that vote ought to count," Wolfson said.

The Democratic National Committee stripped both states of all delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates � including Clinton and rival Barack Obama � agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

Florida and Michigan moved up their dates to protest the party's decision to allow Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, followed by South Carolina and Nevada, giving them a disproportionate influence on the presidential selection process.

But no one predicted the race would still be very close at this point in the year.

"The rules were set a year and a half ago," Dean said. "Florida and Michigan voted for them, then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. Well, when you are in a contest you do need to abide by the rules. Everybody has to play by the rules out of respect for both campaigns and the other 48 states."

[bernie gagliano]

He was a loser, and now he has progressed to disgrace. By the end of the campaign he will enter the Hall of Fame of discredited Dems. Joined there by Gary Hart, Dukakis, Gore, and a panoply of weasles in the DNC. There will be a special wing in the hall for
them--"retired by Bill and Hillary Clinton".

[Disfranchised]

Does anyone know how we can start a petition asking for resignition of Howard Dean?

[CGP]

The problem is that he is Pro-Obama and his bias is very obvious.

[skc1976]

He was a loser, and now he has progressed to disgrace. By the end of the campaign he will enter the Hall of Fame of discredited Dems. Joined there by Gary Hart, Dukakis, Gore, and a panoply of weasles in the DNC. There will be a special wing in the hall for
them--"retired by Bill and Hillary Clinton".

You forgot one...John Kerry! The one that thinks superdelegates should vote as their state votes except for him, Kennedy, and Patrick in Mass. IGNORANT FOOL!

[emmyCA]

He was a loser, and now he has progressed to disgrace. By the end of the campaign he will enter the Hall of Fame of discredited Dems. Joined there by Gary Hart, Dukakis, Gore, and a panoply of weasles in the DNC. There will be a special wing in the hall for
them--"retired by Bill and Hillary Clinton".



Can any one set up a petition on this???? He should be fired!!!


Thanks

[SD]

Clinton won both contests, but the results were meaningless because the elections violated national party rules.

he has no idea how offensive that is to us floridians. can't speak for michigan but we in florida voted on the day we were told to vote. to say it is meaningless is disgusting.

silly me, believing i lived in a democracy. :mad:

[Patsy]

Howard Dean is a disgrace and he is very much into the Kool Aid. So if he were to choose, of course he'd pick a caucus. We do need to get a petition going to let him know how dissatisfied we are with him. I think he's the worst DNC Chair I've ever seen. I'll investigate about the petition, but I will have to warn you, it's not my strong suit. But I'll look.

[Linda C]

I can understand how upset Floridians would be if they did not seat delegates. I lived in Florida for that 2000 fiasco of an election.

I do beleive that Florida delegates should be seated. Every candidate was on that ballot. Michigan might be different since only Hillary was on the ballot...

What our Dear Dr. Dean does not understand that if something isn't done about this..it doesn't matter about the DNC saving the money for the national election...We will not win without those states...I sincerely doubt Obama will carry Ohio in the general..then loose Michigan and Florida on top of that if their delegates are not seated.. Might as well write the ticket for McCain

[Patsy]

Here's the petition site calling for Dean's resignation.


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/65/petition-for-howard-dean-to-resign-as-dnc-chair

[Disfranchised]

Thank you for the petition. I am going to send it to every Democratic representative in my state of Florida and suggest you send it to everyone you know as well. He is the reason the media and Obama camp are allowed to run the way they have been. He is a power crazy sexist. Please do not forget to add Senator Kennedy to the list of losers.

[Disfranchised]

A copy of Senator Nelson letter to Dean and DNC.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080306_Nelson_Dean_Letter.pdf

[Jayling]

Go go Senator Nelson!

He told it short and sweet, right to the point.

Good job, Senator!

Jayling

[floorrunner]

I read somewhere that if they have a do over, legally it would have to be a primary, because over 5% o the registered voters voted in the last contest and that far excedes whatever amount would be voting in a caucus. I don't know if this is exactly true or not, but is there any legal expert on Florida and Michigan election laws that can find out about this.

[emmyCA]

Here's the petition site calling for Dean's resignation.


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/65/petition-for-howard-dean-to-resign-as-dnc-chair


Thanks, I just signed, please let people know this petition...we need to collect as much as signatures as possible. Thanks

[RAFREE]

I signed!

[Frances]

At the Huffington Post, Gary hart wrote on 7 Mar 2008, "Breaking the Final Rules"
I want to bring to attention:
By saying that only she & John McCain are qualified to lead the country, Hillary has
broken that rule, severely damaged the democractic candidate who may well be the
party's nominee, ........
If Mrs. Clinton losses the nomination her failure will be braced to the date she voted
to empower GWB to invade Iraq. .......

Are people believing what this man says? Please give feedback.

[G4Hillary]

Murray you are quite right. Dean is an Obama supporter. These guys are all the loser wing of the Democratic party that continues to lose every Presidential election. They had their shot. They freakin' lost twice with Gore and Kerry. Now they need to get out of the way. Instead they create a road block by pushing slim shady Obama. Dean, Kerry, Gore, Kennedy, and Obama are all envious and jealous idiots of the Democratic party. They can't win and they don't want to see another person win.

The Democratic party needs to do the right thing and kick these lunatics out.

[G4Hillary]

Frances,

Gary Hart is just another loser of the old Democrats. He's probably jealous that Bill Clinton and Hillary are so successful while he was a nobody.

[Florida Dawn]

I want to put to rest everyone's concern that Senator Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, therefore the Michigan primary should be done over in order to level the playing field, so to speak.

According to Debbie Dingell, who is a Michigan superdelegate and DNC member and appeared on Brit Hume's program on the Fox News Network last evening (Sunday, 3/8) all the Democratic candidates agreed ONLY to NOT campaigning in Michigan. That is all they agreed to. Senator Obama CHOSE TO REMOVE HIS NAME FROM THE MICHIGAN BALLOT. IT WAS NOT MANDATORY, NOR WAS IT IN THE AGREEMENT THE CANDIDATES MADE. Senator Edwards (of whom I was a former supporter) removed his name as well.

The state of Michigan, the DNC, and most importantly THE AMERICAN PEOPLE are under no obligation to re-do the Michigan vote because Senator Obama CHOSE to remove his name from the Michigan ballot.

You know, he's always talking about "judgement"...how his is soooooooo good? Newsflash: SENATOR OBAMA USED POOR JUDGEMENT IN REMOVING HIS NAME FROM THE MICHIGAN BALLOT. He turned his back on his supporters. For shame!!!

We in Florida and Michigan had no power to stop Howard Dean and the DNC disenfranchising our votes. Senator Obama actively chose to disenfranchise his supporters, and now he wants to disenfranchise those whose voted on January 29. For Shame, Barack Obama, For Shame!!

NO REVOTE! NO SURRENDER! SEAT THE DELEGATES ALREADY!

[G4Hillary]

Florida Dawn,

You make the most important point: It was Obama who removed his name from Michigan so he should take responsibility for his decision, period. Everyone shouldn't have to go through to trouble of revoting because dirty Chicago politics Obama wants another go at it.

[greekme1105]

Rev. Al Sharpton is here in Orlando today, Miami tomorrow, encouraging people to demand a revote...
NO NO NO. This makes my stomach churn!
Seat the FL Delegates already!

[hobbitt]

At the Huffington Post, Gary hart wrote on 7 Mar 2008, "Breaking the Final Rules"


Are people believing what this man says? Please give feedback.

Gary "Monkey Business" Hart?

Kerry, Hart, "Dollar Bill" Bradley, losers all. The Obama team is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Who is next? Wilbur Mills? Lyndon Larouche?

[Laura Cereta]

I've heard about as much as I can handle from Dean and Kerry. I don't know why they get on national TV and go on and on, as if either is in a place to give advice on winning a presidential campaign; they both failed in that respect.:mad:

[HillWill]

I want to put to rest everyone's concern that Senator Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, therefore the Michigan primary should be done over in order to level the playing field, so to speak.

According to Debbie Dingell, who is a Michigan superdelegate and DNC member and appeared on Brit Hume's program on the Fox News Network last evening (Sunday, 3/8) all the Democratic candidates agreed ONLY to NOT campaigning in Michigan. That is all they agreed to. Senator Obama CHOSE TO REMOVE HIS NAME FROM THE MICHIGAN BALLOT. IT WAS NOT MANDATORY, NOR WAS IT IN THE AGREEMENT THE CANDIDATES MADE. Senator Edwards (of whom I was a former supporter) removed his name as well.

The state of Michigan, the DNC, and most importantly THE AMERICAN PEOPLE are under no obligation to re-do the Michigan vote because Senator Obama CHOSE to remove his name from the Michigan ballot.

You know, he's always talking about "judgement"...how his is soooooooo good? Newsflash: SENATOR OBAMA USED POOR JUDGEMENT IN REMOVING HIS NAME FROM THE MICHIGAN BALLOT. He turned his back on his supporters. For shame!!!

We in Florida and Michigan had no power to stop Howard Dean and the DNC disenfranchising our votes. Senator Obama actively chose to disenfranchise his supporters, and now he wants to disenfranchise those whose voted on January 29. For Shame, Barack Obama, For Shame!!

NO REVOTE! NO SURRENDER! SEAT THE DELEGATES ALREADY!

I live in Michigan. Florida Dawn is absolutely correct. Senator Levin spoke recently at a local event and specifically told us how the agreement had nothing to do with removing their names from the ballot. I believe Obama and Edwards did it in unity to force Hillary. Obama and Edwards used this tactic to trash Hillary in Iowa and New Hampshire. Iowans especially loved to hear that obama and edwards removed their names from Michigan in support of Iowa going first. It absolutely worked for them. New Hampshire dem party has some sort of agreement too they all had to agree with (I'm checking on that). If it was true that they had to remove their names - why did they keep their names on Florida's ballot? The fact is, they weren't required to remove their names. Furthermore, Obama ran ads in Florida. They weren't supposed to campaign there. Even more distressing was that the Obama camp made thousands of calls, sent out hundreds of e-mails and were on the radio in Michigan telling people if you support Obama, mark "uncommitted". That's not campaigning?? They weren't supposed to campaign in Michigan either. Give me a break. The hypocrisy is out of control. Obama and all the so-called leaders who advocated for protecting voters' rights, had no problem saying first, we don't count, now pushing for a re-vote and costing us money - for their benefit. The candidates had their day and we should be seated as allocated. end of story.
I'm not mad at my party leaders that pushed this and the rest of you should support MI and FL. Our leaders have been pushing for a change for decades in the system of Iowa and NH going first. it took some serious cajones. Sometimes, you have to lose the battle to win the war. We need a rotating system where all states get a chance to go first. We were all irrelevant for quite some time, until this year.

[lorieaselin]

Here's a link to an article about what the candidates agreed to, and also in that article is a link to the pdf doc of the four state pledge.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/9/201240/0802

Lorie in Marietta, GA

[Disfranchised]

Here's a link to an article about what the candidates agreed to, and also in that article is a link to the pdf doc of the four state pledge.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/9/201240/0802

Lorie in Marietta, GA

Exactly! And interestingly it was Obama who ran National ad for a week leading up to our primary which is clearly in violation of his pledge but lets see who is calling foul. OH..uh.. poor unfortunate Obama
And what is his campaign position. Too bad! We already paid for the ads and CNN did not have enough time to pull them out. Yeah right. Tell it to someone who was not watching CNN. He had more ad running that McCain, Giuliani and Romney all combined.
Or was that another oops I did it again by Obama just like when he voted for millions of dollars to be cut from children welfare fonds in Chicago. Obama's answer when yelled at by other Democrats:OOPS
Enough is Enough!

[skc1976]

I'm shocked that the Clinton campaign has not targeted Obama on the ads. Did Clinton run them too?

[Disfranchised]

I'm shocked that the Clinton campaign has not targeted Obama on the ads. Did Clinton run them too?

no.

[EH]

At the Huffington Post, Gary hart wrote on 7 Mar 2008, "Breaking the Final Rules"
I want to bring to attention:
By saying that only she & John McCain are qualified to lead the country, Hillary has
broken that rule, severely damaged the democractic candidate who may well be the
party's nominee, ........
If Mrs. Clinton losses the nomination her failure will be braced to the date she voted
to empower GWB to invade Iraq. .......

Are people believing what this man says? Please give feedback.

Ehm, Gary, go jump back into the hottub with Donna Rice and keep your sad, envy-dictated opinions to yourself...

[skc1976]

no.

Thanks for the clarification. You know, if he ran ads and she didn't, then count the darn votes from the first time around. He's just ticked he didn't get to hold his "concerts" there to lure people into his web of deceit!

[Renee in Florida]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/r.../view/?id=5374

[skc1976]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/r.../view/?id=5374

It says the page was not found :(

[CGP]

Sorry, I could not resist this image sourced from a conservative/GOP website - yes the real oppostion but right now it seems the enemy is within! :eek: :confused: ;)

http://www.humanevents.com/images/DemoMemo_hh_2.jpg

[TRAIL BLAZE ME IN]

If you can't find a partner use a wooden chair but find your seat or feel the heat! That's serious and a felony if proven!

[CGP]

Time to revive this one. This man is an embarressment to the Democratic Party.

Howard Dean also needs to SHUT UP.

[Tea toaD]

And don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out...Dean:) Don't go away mad, just go away:rolleyes:

[daniperez]

Can you all believe this is happening!

Dean is trying to take away the votes of MI & FL. Seating MI & FL at the convention is too late! The votes need to be counted now.

He is telling & demanding that the superdelegates decide by June.

Then, he has the audacity to tell us to SHUT UP!!!!

I thought this was a democracy??????

It seems to me that Obama is simply a puppet for Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Richardson, Dean and the other club members who all have desperately wanted to be president but will settle for their puppet Obama to have the job.

I will be emailing the DNC, Dodd & Dean to let them know that I won't shut up!!

This is pathetic!!!!

[PA_Voter]

Please tell me where I've erred.... This is the way I see the status and I'm using the info I keep abreast of via www.thegreenpapers.com which I think is a great site and maybe if others went there, they'd see what I see:

WE ARE A VOTING NATION OF 50-STATES and Territories: So if one can assume for a moment that there is an avenue to count the State certified primaries of FL & MI--through the courts contending it's a person's constitutional right to vote for a Presidential Candidate; through the DNC's credential meetings allowing the votes and delegates to be counted, or through some other negotiated avenue--then:

The delegate counts after including FL & MI votes as cast on Jan 29th and endorsements are tracked up-to-date, The Green Papers basically has Hillary and Obama separated by 1 (ONE) delegate apart--after adding both the pledged delegates and the endorsed Superdelegates together. Edwards has some 20+ or so and there are another 50+ Uncommitted delegates.

Also, the popular vote counts after including FL & MI into the totals puts Hillary and Obama about 100,000+ votes apart. Of course since Obama took his name off MI's ballot, I can only assume that The Green Papers allocated zero popular votes as well as zero pledged delegates for him in MI.

In the coming days, I need to look at the data more carefully and restate my analysis very clearly, but I think this issue needs to be blogged out there as a real, very viable path to the WH. In summary, when you include FL & MI, it's basically a tie in both the popular votes as well as total delegates; and, I don't think the DNC can violate the rules of our constitution and disenfranchise these two states as then that would preclude them from having participated in the election of a President.

I can understand why Democratic Party members might rather have it over but why does the MSM push the issue this way????

As I see it, there is absolutely no reason for Hillary to quit, period. If not including FL & MI, she could swing Superdelegates who should be voting independently. If including FL & MI and even without pouncing on Superdelegates, she certainly is capable of making up 100,000+ votes and surpassing Obama in total delegates if she were to take PA by say 10 points.

PLEASE HELP ME FIND THE FUZZINESS OF MY MATH. Thanks!