(May 3, 2008): GUAM Election Center *** All things Guam ***

[Latina4Hillary]

Please go to http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ to blog in support of Hillary. Obama has two paid ads on this site.

[B positive]

Bad Link... said "page not found" :(

get me a good link and I'm all over it, Latina4Hillary

[DemKR]

How is Guam looking?

[hobbitt]

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080430/NEWS01/804300316

[Alessandro Machi]

You can go back and click on the recommend icon for the pro Hillary comments.

[Leekosagrios]

I've recommended and opened an account. Guam is very reachable because it's so small, so we can make a difference there.

[Bets1]

FYI another Guam news site:

http://www.topix.net/world/guam

[El Cuco]

I blogged on the topix and guampdm, is there any others? Please post them so we can blog on them as well. I am finishing IN papers letters to the editor tonight qand I need the NC papers to get started tonight. Do any one have those sites?

[mjno7777]

I blogged on both sites, I suggest we all do, it is reachable and doable.

[MarkMiller]

I've recommended and opened an account. Guam is very reachable because it's so small, so we can make a difference there.

Small is right! 8 miles wide by about 30 miles long. A very scary decent when flying into the island. It looks like trying to get a bullseye on a dart board.

[Latina4Hillary]

You had to click on the icon or use this link http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage It should work.

[MarkMiller]

There have been race riots in Guam. There is a tension among the Guamanians and the Whites that have existed for years. This will be a very difficult place to get a Hillary win just to warn you.

[JMS825]

Guam is only 4 reg delegates and 2 SD and Hillary already has the 2 SD

[Alessandro Machi]

It might be wise to put an ad in the Guam newspaper, no? If Obama wins they'll make it sound like Guam was worth 50 delegates.

[Ace]

I've been reading most of the articles on various Guam newspapers, most of them are very supportive of Hillary. The only thing Obama has are those ads...

Sample:
Guam Pacific Daily News (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/OPINION02/805020318/1014/OPINION)

[EngCindy]

Is this a caucus or primary ?

[Jayling]

Is this a caucus or primary ?
Guam is a (detest saying this undemocratic word anymore) caucus.

[Wales for Hillary]

I heard because its so small its winner take all.....is there truth to that??

[Jayling]

I heard because its so small its winner take all.....is there truth to that??
No.

Saturday 3 May 2008: A Territorial Convention made up of all interested voters meets to choose 8 of Guam's 13 delegates to the Democratic National Convention (together representing 4 of Guam's 9 delegate votes at the National Convention).

Guam's caucus is conducted like a party-run primary where voters cast secret ballots in their respective precincts. Polls close at 8 p.m. local time (UTC+10 hours). A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates.

* Each of these 8 pledged delegates will only cast ½ (or 0.5) of a vote on the floor of the Democratic National Convention.

The remaining 5 delegates (representing Guam's remaining 5 delegate votes) are Unpledged PLEOs who will go to the Democratic National Convention officially "Unpledged".

* This territory's Democratic Member of Congress (Territorial Delegate Madeleine Z. Bordallo) (=a non-voting Delegate in the House of Representatives); the territorial Delegate is an "Unpledged PLEO" and casts 1 delegate vote.
* This territory's 4 Democratic National Committee members: each of these territorial DNC members casts 1 vote apiece for a total of 4 delegate votes.

^^ above from TheGreenPapers.com (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/GU-D.phtml#0503)

[Alessandro Machi]

I've been reading most of the articles on various Guam newspapers, most of them are very supportive of Hillary. The only thing Obama has are those ads...

Sample:
Guam Pacific Daily News (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/OPINION02/805020318/1014/OPINION)


If anybody is interested some Obama people started responding.


http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080430/NEWS01/804300316

[samkm]

I blogged there. Need to keep an eye; too many kool-aid drunkards.

Jayling, thanks for the summary on the representational voting.

Here's how I understood it.

Caucus (with 15% cut off)
---------- will select 8 pledged delegates; each will count for 1/2 vote, for a total of 4 votes at the DN Convention.
Plus
they have 5 super delegates (1 congress woman; 4 DNC members)

[lynfreedom]

Yes thank you. I have been wondering. Posting on sites there now.

[MarkMiller]

YouTube - Hillary's Message to Guam

[Ace]

"Hafa Adai" means "Hello" in Chamorro, the native language of Guam and the islands of the Northern Marianas.

The time in Guam:

Friday May 2, 2008 - 7:54pm

Time in Guam that the election begins:

Saturday May 3, 2008 - 10am - 8pm

[Jayling]

"Hafa Adai" means "Hello" in Chamorro, the native language of Guam and the islands of the Northern Marianas.

The time in Guam:

Friday May 2, 2008 - 7:54pm

Time in Guam that the election begins:

Saturday May 3, 2008 - 10am - 8pm
Just 14 more hours before the polls open in Guam!

I hope they have a good turnout. :)

[Ace]

I'm 'crawling' through Guam's news sources. There is a lot of pro-Clinton information in them, whether it be news articles, videos, or comments and blogs. A lot of the pro-Obama information seems to be coming from the mainland U.S., and the only thing that seems to be prominent in any news site are his money bought campaign ads.

[PuppyDogMom]

She just oozes class. What a wonderful message to Guam.

[Ace]

Money vs. Spirit (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/OPINION02/805020319/1014/OPINION)

Obama has opened an office in Guam with paid full-time staff and is running an aggressive paid advertisement campaign based on a lot of promises.

Clinton's presence here is more grass-roots oriented, with her local campaign headed by dedicated volunteers like Rena Borja and Taling Taitano, who are energized by Clinton's long experience with Guam's issues and the concrete things she has already accomplished for the people of Guam.

You should really read the article. (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/OPINION02/805020319/1014/OPINION)

[mjoynaples]

Appriciate that good read... so glad that Senator Clinton despite campaigning knows what is important to do still is for the American people and be there to vote!! It is obvious she is the appropriate candidate, the one who is ready to start this job on day one and ready to make a difference in the lives of these veterans who for too long have been disenfranchised their rights for fighting for our country. DEAR people of Guam we want you to know we care too and are listening and we hope that you will VOICE YOUR OPINION IN VOTING FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON who votes for you too!!!!

PLEASE KEEP THE BEST NOMINEE FOR THIS TOUGH JOB in the race all the way to the WHITE HOUSE!

[no_more_bush]

Is this message airing on tv as a commercial?

[FlaDem]

I hope all of Guam gets to view Hillary's message to them. It is very well done.

[HillBuzzBlogspotCom]

Can someone explain how the election works in Guam -- our media stateside is confusing. Some call Guam a caucus, some say it is a primary. There was a caucus a week or so ago in a village, and I remember them reporting that.

But, today I see hours for the election posted as 10am-8pm Guam time.

That sounds like a primary, not a 10-hour caucus.

Can someone clarify this?

Primary = good for Clinton
Caucus = scary

[LarryMac]

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/OPINION02/805030311 needs some support. It is Obama's own blog in the site where he claims he is an islander, understands them better and makes a lot of promises to get elected.

[lynfreedom]

I was looking on those sites last night and saw that she had called in to a radio station. Looks like she could win that one too

[PAangelRN]

I read that is was a caucus

[Ace]

I was looking on those sites last night and saw that she had called in to a radio station. Looks like she could win that one too

I was crawling through the various Guam news sites and they are very pro-Hillary. BO has like one or two articles total, and then very prominently an ad. The ad is usually always on a Clinton story.

[PAangelRN]

Can someone explain how the election works in Guam -- our media stateside is confusing. Some call Guam a caucus, some say it is a primary. There was a caucus a week or so ago in a village, and I remember them reporting that.

But, today I see hours for the election posted as 10am-8pm Guam time.

That sounds like a primary, not a 10-hour caucus.

Can someone clarify this?

Primary = good for Clinton
Caucus = scary

I found a site that explains Guam

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/GU-D.phtml

The Green Papers
2008 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions
Guam Democrat
Presidential Nominating Process
Territorial Convention: Saturday 3 May 20081

Clinton, Hillary Rodham 1.0 20.00% 1.0 11.11%
Uncommitted 5.0 55.56%
(available) 4.0 100.00% 4.0 80.00% 8.0 88.89% 4.0 44.44%
Total 4.0 100.00% 5.0 100.00% 9.0 100.00% 9.0 100.00%

Delegate Selection: Caucus/Convention
Voter Eligibility: Closed Caucus

9 total delegate votes - 4 at large; 5 Unpledged PLEOs

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Unpledged delegates as of
19 April 2008: Clinton: 1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Having moved their first determining step from Stage II in 2004 (Saturday 24 April 2004 ) to Stage III in 2008 (Saturday 3 May 2008), Guam receives a 30% Bonus in at-large delegate votes (+1 at-large). Total delegate votes changes from 8 to 9.

Saturday 3 May 2008: A Territorial Convention made up of all interested voters meets to choose 8 of Guam's 13 delegates to the Democratic National Convention (together representing 4 of Guam's 9 delegate votes at the National Convention). Guam's caucus is conducted like a party-run primary where voters cast secret ballots in their respective precincts. Polls close at 8 p.m. local time (UTC+10 hours). A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates.

Each of these 8 pledged delegates will only cast ½ (or 0.5) of a vote on the floor of the Democratic National Convention.
The remaining 5 delegates (representing Guam's remaining 5 delegate votes) are Unpledged PLEOs who will go to the Democratic National Convention officially "Unpledged".

This territory's Democratic Member of Congress (Territorial Delegate Madeleine Z. Bordallo) (=a non-voting Delegate in the House of Representatives); the territorial Delegate is an "Unpledged PLEO" and casts 1 delegate vote.
This territory's 4 Democratic National Committee members: each of these territorial DNC members casts 1 vote apiece for a total of 4 delegate votes.

[skc1976]

What an amazing message to the people living in Guam! I loved her closing line. Thank you for sharing that with us.

[Donald]

I assume that voting now begins in Guam..We should know in the morning who has won?? Does anyone know any details as to how this territory was leaning?

[Ace]

The people do not begin to vote in Guam's caucus till about an hour and a half right now.

Guam Pacific Daily news right now has a poll up on their website asking who did you vote for in the caucus.

Poll is on the lower right side.
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

Which Democratic presidential candidate did you vote for in the caucus?
Hillary - 37.6%
Obama - 45.4%
Didn't vote - 17%

[Eddie3dfx]

4 delegates, 5 superdelegates

[Donald]

that poll now has Hillary in the lead..Guess we have to wait until the actual vote to see what is valid

[candyrose9460]

hillary is beating obonehead

[ShyFire]

He's up again! by 8 points =(

[pnevai]

Well, I made the case on the blog over there. Bottom line is that Guam is completely dependent on the US Military bases there, no matter what other considerations there are. If the CO's there find it too difficult to maintain operations because of the local govenments, They will pull out especially with Military budgets being so tight because of the funding of the war in Iraq. I made the case and it is a valid one that Obama is a huge gamble. We have no way of knowing if he will approve expansion and improvement spending on these strategic oconus facilities.

If the US military pulls out of Guam, their economy goes back to using Stone Wheels as currency, like some of thier other south pacific neighbors. They have nothing else to really offer in the way of trade or tourism. I can only see Hillary or McCain having the foresight to keep those bases fully funded.

Now all we can do is wait and see.

[RayinAR]

When will we know officially which way Guam went?

[Wales for Hillary]

When will we know officially which way Guam went?

6 am eastern

[Ace]

I thought I would post some links up for some Radio and TV stations in Guam. For those interesting in following the Guam election throughout the night.

KUAM.com (http://www.kuam.com) - Guams News Network

GuamPDN.com (http://www.guampdn.com) - Guam Pacific Daily News (warning there are 2 Obama ads)

K57 AM Newstalk (req. windows media player)
mms://k57.guam.net/newstalk

KOKU*100.3FM
http://202.151.76.42:88/broadwave.asx?src=1&kbps=56

FOX Channel 6 (warning there are 4 Obama ads)
http://www.fox6guam.com/

ABC Channel 7 (warning there are 4 Obama ads)
http://www.abc7guam.com/

[Optixmom]

I hadn't seen any estimates on who was leading in Guam in regard to polling. Did I miss something obvious?

[PA_Voter]

After clicking on your link, go to local race....

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/NEWS01/805030323&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

It says down on the right "Inarajan: Voting finished." Maybe there was only 5 people at the caucus?

[Ace]

I hadn't seen any estimates on who was leading in Guam in regard to polling. Did I miss something obvious?

Most of the newspaper and radio outlets in Guam are pro-Hillary and favor her. There are a lot of articles written about her explaining why Guamanians should vote for her. Obama has to resort to buying up ad space on their websites. She has a good history with the island. I don't believe there are any polls that have been released, but they should lean to Hillary.

[Ace]

After clicking on your link, go to local race....

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/NEWS01/805030323&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

It says down on the right "Inarajan: Voting finished." Maybe there was only 5 people at the caucus?

Good eye. Inarajan actually voted last week Saturday due to a fiesta of some sort.
Here's the article. (http://www.mvariety.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=10549&format=html) The votes have been kept secret all week and won't be released till the rest are.

[PA_Voter]

Here's why they're finished "Voters in Inarajan, nestled in the island's southeast corner, voted earlier because the town is holding its annual fiesta Saturday. Their votes will not be opened until polling closes at 6 a.m. EDT Saturday."

[nette60]

I am sure he hash paid for his people to caucus for him.The same ones he's been paying since Iowa.

[Ace]

bump.

[PA_Voter]

I am sure he hash paid for his people to caucus for him.The same ones he's been paying since Iowa.

____________

Is the ACORN PAC in Guam? (I thought I read somewhere that this PAC was the tops at voter fraud a few years back in Washington State; and, I know they supported BO and hired canvassers for Ohio this year....)

[Ace]

Results so far:

Hillary 45.1%
Obama 44.1%
didn't vote - 10.8%

I think he numbers are still skewed whereas Obama has more then he shouldnt...

[EngCindy]

Is there any exit polling ?

Fox covering it ?

[lynfreedom]

I am not totally sure I know how they work over there but it looks like one team would be better for Hillary than the others if elected. I am not sure what they mean by their three teams because there was not three listed...not sure how it works.

The race for the chairman and vice chairman positions of Guam's Democratic Party in the party's caucus today will affect the Democratic presidential nomination.
...

Here are the three teams vying for the Guam Democratic Party chairman and vice chairman positions, and whom they would nominate for president if they are elected.
Joseph Artero Cameron (chairman): Clinton


Arlene P. Bordallo (vice chairwoman): Clinton


Antonio Charfauros (chairman): Uncommitted

----------
Mary Ann Cabrera (vice chairwoman): Uncommitted


Pilar Lujan (chairwoman): Uncommitted


Jaime Paulino (vice chairman): Obama

Full story: Local race affects nomination: Chair, vice chair will be superdelegates
By Steve Limtiaco • Pacific Daily News • May 3, 2008
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/NEWS01/805030323/1002

[lynfreedom]

Guam Voting Has Aready Begun For Eight Delegates
http://polstate.com/?p=5402

Limited polling has showed a slight preference for Hillary Clinton.

slowly but surely leading up to the big one. Trying to figure out what time it will be here when their election ends.

[Annie]

Oh I hope she wins this..... silence and a prayer for Hillary and us.

[Bad Kitty]

Oh yay! Does anybody know what time it is there? I am too lazy to calculate it.

[Hillforceone]

Trying to figure out what time it will be here when their election ends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamorro_Standard_Time

Therefore:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=3&year=2008&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=47



moni k.

[Hillforceone]

Not looking good....
"Although there are only four party votes at stake, each one has now become crucial in an epic clash where Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton by a narrow margin estimated at 1,738 to 1,599."

The sentence says "an epic clash where Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton by a narrow margin estimated at 1,738 to 1,599". The Guam caucus is not an epic clash. The numbers are the current numbers of the overall delegate count. See

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

The sentence you quote does not relate to the actual Guam results.


moni k.

[Bad Kitty]

Polls close at 8pm local time which is 6am Eastern time on Saturday.

[Mrsawd]

Go Go Go Go Hillary Go Go Go all the Way !


Hillary 08 !

[Bad Kitty]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

The sentence you quote does not relate to the actual Guam results.


moni k.

My mistake. It is late and I have been up for quite some time.

[JMS825]

I hope she wins to start my day off right. It is almost 3am in Indiana I am in a hotel anxiously awaiting th Rally tonight

[Bad Kitty]

Is there any exit polling ?

Fox covering it ?

I'm looking for it but I don't see anything yet.

[Bad Kitty]

I hope she wins to start my day off right. It is almost 3am in Indiana I am in a hotel anxiously awaiting th Rally tonight

I hope you have a great time at the rally and I hope she wins.

[JMS825]

I hope you have a great time at the rally and I hope she wins.

Thank you I hope to get some great Pics I even have a shirt for me and my friend on the front it says it always takes a clinton to clean up after a Bush and on the back it says Vote Hillary 2008

[WV4Hillary]

I really hope she wins...even though it's a small island and no one has thought about it much, it would continue her winning streak and be on the news tommorow.

If Obama wins, it would be "Obama has broken Hillary's winning streak before the May 6th primaries."

We know he cheats at caucuses...how do we know he isn't doing it in Guam where there is limited oversight?

[Bad Kitty]

I would bet you good money that he started his cheating right when the polls open. Somebody should really look into how he wins all of the caucuses. Enough is enough already.

[Hillforceone]

I just checked

http://pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?smenu=97&sdetail=24068

and

http://www.abc7guam.com/

and noticed that the first linked page had no less than THREE Obama ads on the top of its page, the ABC page had two...
Oh, have to correct myself, there are FOUR altogether, three on top and one on the bottom!

I have experienced this frequently when searching for up-to-date local HRC news, that there was one of those ads right next to the article.

As for the Guam voting, the article reports that due to the big number of voters the results may be delayed.


moni k.

[JMS825]

Guam means more to Hillary than the msm would say cause it will show she can win a caucus

[lynfreedom]

She actually got more money than he did from Guam.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/02/clinton-obama-fight-long-distance-battle-in-guam/

Clinton, Obama Fight Long-Distance Battle in Guam
by FOXNews.com
Friday, May 2, 2008
The Center for Responsive Politics Web site shows that Obama received $4,500 from Guam contributors, while Clinton received $5,200.

[Laura Cereta]

Hillary leading with almost 47% of the vote. 625 people have voted in the poll. Wonder what the real results will be?

[Bad Kitty]

Hillary leading with almost 47% of the vote. 625 people have voted in the poll. Wonder what the real results will be?

thanks for the update cultfree. GO Hillary GO!!!

[Ace]

Guam - Polling precincts island-wide have had a steady stream of voters for the Guam Democratic Party's caucus and some have sent back for more voter registration forms.

With all the additional and unexpected turnout, the Pacific News Center (PNC) expects that the counting will take longer than anticipated since it is being done by hand.

The PNC will be providing constant updates as results come in from the different precincts.

Source: Pacific News Center (Beware there are 4 Obama ads on the website) (http://www.pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=161&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=24066&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com)

Similar Story:

Guam - The significance of the Democratic caucus is underscored by the unexpected turnout in voting precints near the most populated villages on Guam.

Voters trooped to the Dededo and Yigo precints to vote for their candidate. Yigo Mayor Bob Lizama said over 40 voters were already waiting in line even before the Yigo precint opened.

Supporters of both Senator Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton endorsed their respective candidates with their t-shirts, banners, and short messages.

This is the first time in Guam's history where island residents have been given an opportunity to have a strong voice in the upcoming United States presidential elections.

Source: Pacific News Center (http://pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?smenu=97&sdetail=24071)
--

Hopefully the majority of them are voting for Hillary :D

[Ace]

The Guam caucus voting ends in about 30 minutes. What do you think the voter outcome margins will be?

[Patsy]

http://www.diversityj.com/images/JCIMG_2906s4.jpg

[MarkMiller]

I am thinking that from what I am hearing there may be a win in it for Hillary by as much as....perhaps 15 to 17 percent. That may be wishful thinking but I am hoping that the people of Guam react to todays debunked story with the same disgust that we did. It is hard to say. I have not seen any real poll numbers so I am guessing. I had thought Guam would be hard for Clinton as there have been racial problems on the Island but Obama doesn't seem to care about race unless it is black and white. The rest of us he could care less about....except the Hispanic vote.

I am hoping for no less than a 10% margin and would love it if it could be above 20....but it is doubtful. Anyway time to turn on the news and wait!

[Ace]

I am thinking that from what I am hearing there may be a win in it for Hillary by as much as....perhaps 15 to 17 percent. That may be wishful thinking but I am hoping that the people of Guam react to todays debunked story with the same disgust that we did. It is hard to say. I have not seen any real poll numbers so I am guessing. I had thought Guam would be hard for Clinton as there have been racial problems on the Island but Obama doesn't seem to care about race unless it is black and white. The rest of us he could care less about....except the Hispanic vote.

I am hoping for no less than a 10% margin and would love it if it could be above 20....but it is doubtful. Anyway time to turn on the news and wait!

I was using CNN's delegate calculator tool (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html)....(which I think is skewed...)

If the ratio is 62% Hillary to lets say 38% obama (a 24 point win) the pledged delegates would still be 2 for Hillary, 2 for Obama, bragging rights for Hillary. I can already see the Obamabots spinning this if she wins...

If the ratio is 62% Hillary to 36% Obama (a 26 point win) the pledged delegates would be 3 for Hillary, 1 for Obama.

There are 5 Superdelegates:

# Joseph Artero Cameron (chairman): Clinton

# Arlene P. Bordallo (vice chairwoman): Clinton

# Antonio Charfauros (chairman): Uncommitted

# Mary Ann Cabrera (vice chairwoman): Uncommitted

# Pilar Lujan (chairwoman): Uncommitted

# Jaime Paulino (vice chairman): Obama

[Patsy]

http://www.diversityj.com/images/JCIMG_2906s4.jpg

[MarkMiller]

I was using CNN's delegate calculator tool (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html)....(which I think is skewed...)

If the ratio is 62% Hillary to lets say 38% obama (a 24 point win) the pledged delegates would still be 2 for Hillary, 2 for Obama, bragging rights for Hillary. I can already see the Obamabots spinning this if she wins...

If the ratio is 62% Hillary to 36% Obama (a 26 point win) the pledged delegates would be 3 for Hillary, 1 for Obama.

There are 5 Superdelegates:

# Joseph Artero Cameron (chairman): Clinton

# Arlene P. Bordallo (vice chairwoman): Clinton

# Antonio Charfauros (chairman): Uncommitted

# Mary Ann Cabrera (vice chairwoman): Uncommitted

# Pilar Lujan (chairwoman): Uncommitted

# Jaime Paulino (vice chairman): Obama

I hate the Democrat primaries. They so suck!

[Ace]

I hate the Democrat primaries. They so suck!

I'm monitoring all of Guams media RSS feeds for fun. If any happens I'll probably be one of the first in the states to know. FOX, CNN, and MSNBC appear to be in bed still lol.

[Rekha Varma]

Just reposting the videos for bloggers to direct people in Guam to. They make a big difference to see that Hillary hasn't forgotten about them, and the views of supporters in Guam.


YouTube - President Rector supports Hillary for President

YouTube - Hillary Clinton's Stance On Issues Affecting Guam

YouTube - Hillary's Message to Guam


Primary is May 3rd. Make phone calls to remind them to turnout as it's not being covered much in the press. Here's the link to start making phone calls.
http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/



Here's the campaign website for Guam for more information for them and for you.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/guam/

[MarkMiller]

I'm monitoring all of Guams media RSS feeds for fun. If any happens I'll probably be one of the first in the states to know. FOX, CNN, and MSNBC appear to be in bed still lol.

Yes, but who are they in bed with?

[PuppyDogMom]

Probably too late, but here's my comment:

I keep hearing Obama supporters say that all Hillary Clinton does is lie, yet I have not yet heard one example of a lie that she's told. On the other hand, here's an example of an Obama lie: I was not in the Church when Wright spoke those words. 4 days later: I was in the Church. Which was it? They cannot both be true.

Hillary Clinton has done nothing more than fight for all people, all races, all genders, all ages. Nothing she has ever done has been about her, but about us. There is no better endorsement of any candidate than the one given by Maya Angelou, a highly revered African American poet. She adores Hillary Clinton, and this is from someone who has known Hillary for years.

[Latina4Hillary]

I just posted. We must continue to fight for every vote. All votes are important in this campaign.

[Patsy]

Polls closed at 6 a.m EDT no need to blog anymore.

Just wait for the results.

[JMS825]

so what was the results?

[Ace]

I'm watching the RSS feeds...MSM is pretty slow...

They are still being tabulated.

Update #1

I'll keep them updated here:
http://blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/05/guam-caucus-results.html

Districts - Candidate - #votes

Hagåtña - n/a
Asan - n/a
Maina - CLINTON (22 to 19)
Mongmong/Toto/Maite - n/a
Piti - n/a
Sinajana - n/a
Agana Heights
Agat - n/a
Mangilao - n/a
Santa Rita - n/a
Tamuning - n/a
Umatac - n/a
Yigo - n/a
Yona - n/a
Barrigada - n/a
Chalan Pago - n/a
Ordot - OBAMA (37 to 18)
Merizo - n/a
Dededo - n/a
Talofofo - n/a
Inarajan - n/a

Total # Votes
Clinton - 40 votes
Obama - 56 votes

[RayinAR]

so what was the results?

Theyre still counting.

[B positive]

It must be close.... the result was estimated to be reported @ 9am EST... about an hour ago...

Biting Nails.....

[JMS825]

Theyre still counting.

Im just impatient I am so anxious for tonights rally. Hill and Bill together I so hope I get towards the front

[samkm]

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/guam-primary-results-and-la-01la-06.html
has a good discussion thread for now.

[xyndau]

GuamPDN (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/NEWS01/80504002) There are still many ballots to be counted, and it is only shortly before midnight Guam time - let's keep our fingers crossed!

11:50 p.m., Chamorro Standard Time - 5/3/08 (***which is 9:50 a.m. EDT for those wanting to know***) — Sen. Barack Obama is leading after three Democratic caucus districts have been counted.

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina and 151 in Inarajan for a total of 207 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina and 81 in Inarajan for a total of 121 votes.

In the race for chairman/vicechairman, the team of Pilar Lujan/Jaime Paulino have 245 votes in the three counted districts. Antonio Charfauros/Mary Ann Cabrera have 65 total votes and the team of Joseph Artero Cameron/Arlene P. Bordallo have 55 votes.

As to the chair/vice-chair, Guam PDN reports (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/NEWS01/805030323&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL) that the following
Here are the three teams vying for the Guam Democratic Party chairman and vice chairman positions, and whom they would nominate for president if they are elected.

# Joseph Artero Cameron (chairman): Clinton

# Arlene P. Bordallo (vice chairwoman): Clinton

# Antonio Charfauros (chairman): Uncommitted

# Mary Ann Cabrera (vice chairwoman): Uncommitted

# Pilar Lujan (chairwoman): Uncommitted

# Jaime Paulino (vice chairman): Obama

[Area504]

Yes, but who are they in bed with?
Duh! ;)

[B positive]

Thnx for the stats, xyndau !!

Let's hope they start trending the other way.... fingers & toes crossed

[Ace]

I'm watching the RSS feeds...

Update #2

Here are the current Guam Caucus Results:

http://blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/05/guam-caucus-results.html

[supra5677]

why can't we get our folks to a freakin caucus. Obama's whole lead comes from the caucuses. This is frustrating..

[HillaryProblemSolver]

This is the latest news about the race we can find from this link:

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage


LATEST HEADLINES - BREAKING NEWS: 11:50 p.m.
-- Obama leads after three districts counted
11:50 p.m. — Sen. Barack Obama is leading after three Democratic caucus districts have been counted.

"This nomination is worth fighting for and I’m going to fight for it.” Hillary Rodham Clinton - campaigning in Oregon, April 2008.

[xfiles]

With 10% of vote in it is Obama 64%, Hillary 36%

188 O
105 C

[B positive]

Anyone have any idea how many voters showed up ?

There are 21 villages w/ a total Guam population of 176k

[ginamc]

I'm continuining to pray for Hillary. I posted on a Guam newspaper yesterday. The Obamabots had infitrated it, and he has ads EVERYWHERE.

[Ace]

Its really really slow - they're counting the votes by hand and verifying each vote...

[Jake501]

why can't we get our folks to a freakin caucus. Obama's whole lead comes from the caucuses. This is frustrating..

This contest is really a primary anyway.

[JJ4Hillary]

I thought the vote was


Total # Votes
Clinton - 121
Obama - 207

praying:cool:

[Ace]

I thought the vote was


Total # Votes
Clinton - 121
Obama - 207

praying:cool:

CNN wasn't reporting the district of Inarajan. Those numbers are the most current. Current tally is 56% obama to 44% hillary (2 Delegates for Obama, 2 for Hillary if these were the final numbers). 5 of 21 districts are reporting, 2 of those haven't released the total number of votes.

[JJ4Hillary]

CNN wasn't reporting the district of Inarajan. Those numbers are the most current. Current tally is 56% obama to 44% hillary (2 Delegates for Obama, 2 for Hillary if these were the final numbers). 5 of 21 districts are reporting, 2 of those haven't released the total number of votes.

I hope they released them soon.

[cj988]

I think im gonna buycott these results, not interested in them. It seems a bit strange to me that people half way across the world who have never stepped foot in the u.s can choose a president but someone that lives in say Florida for the last 70 years can't have their vote counted. A bit of stupid irony there.

[Jake501]

I think im gonna buycott these results, not interested in them. It seems a bit strange to me that people half way across the world who have never stepped foot in the u.s can choose a president but someone that lives in say Florida for the last 70 years can't have their vote counted. A bit of stupid irony there.

They are citizens, they have the right

[lucky-ann]

I think im gonna buycott these results, not interested in them. It seems a bit strange to me that people half way across the world who have never stepped foot in the u.s can choose a president but someone that lives in say Florida for the last 70 years can't have their vote counted. A bit of stupid irony there.

why? the US-president is also their president...I find it rather strange that they can't vote in the GE...I think it doesn't reflect American values that some citizens can't vote for their president...(and I don't think you want to boycott the results from Puerto Rico ;))

[cj988]

why? the US-president is also their president...I find it rather strange that they can't vote in the GE...I think it doesn't reflect American values that some citizens can't vote for their president...(and I don't think you want to boycott the results from Puerto Rico ;))

Yeah I guess ure right, I think im just annoyed that certain results arent being counted and taking it out on other places, but by all means the Puerto Rico can count.

[lucky-ann]

Yeah I guess ure right, I think im just annoyed that certain results arent being counted and taking it out on other places, but by all means the Puerto Rico can count.

yes, it's indeed annoying that florida and michigan don't count :(

[Ace]

For those who are bored, you're welcome to chat here. (http://go.yaplet.com/?url=http://blog.changeandexperience.com)

[floorrunner]

As of right now. 37% of the vote counted.

Obama 55% 497 votes
Clinton 45% 401 votes

She has made a significant gain when only 10% of votes were counted. It is a slow process because they are counting by hand.

[lucky-ann]

is the number of votes really reflective of the people who voted? I know that sounds strange ;) but that would mean that just about 2427 people have participated in the caucus...on the other hand guam has less than 200.000 inhabitants (i think so at least) and caucus turnout is mostly low...

[Optixmom]

1:45am - Obama at 719 votes (53.3%), Clinton 629 (46.7%) after 10 districts counted...

[lucky-ann]

hey, her numbers keep going up:D I hope it keeps on going this way!

does anyone know if the districts which haven't been reported yet favor obama or hillary?

[Optixmom]

2am - Obama 768 (53%), Clinton 680 (47%) after 11 district counted...

I think there are 20 districts total.

Bottom right has updated news every 15 minutes.
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/NEWS01/805030323&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

[WV4Hillary]

Getting there!

[Optixmom]

They have taken away the data after 11:50pm. I think they are going to announce the whole thing once all of the districts are finished counting. Weird how it just all disappeared...

[lucky-ann]

I think it would be good if it stayed this way...6 points are not that much, I frankly thought he'd win guam by more! probably they would both get two delegates, or?

[WV4Hillary]

Yeah, they are gonna split the 4 either way. lol.

[JMS825]

I think it would be good if it stayed this way...6 points are not that much, I frankly thought he'd win guam by more! probably they would both get two delegates, or?

I honstly thought shed win since she had 2 SD from there before Obama got 1

[mjno7777]

This is scary. I don't think we should take INDIANA for granted. She needs to win double digits there and NC needs to be close OR I am seriously worried.

[WV4Hillary]

Nothing to be worried about.

For Hillary to lose a CAUCUS by 6 pts? That's amazing. And it's not even over.

[Voters4Hillary]

Yeah, one of them has to win by a landslide otherwise they each get 2 delegates (Well that's actually four 1/2 delegates each but same thing). 62 - 38 is still an even split and right now it's 53 - 47 so it's unlikely one of them will win enough to get a 3-1 delegate split.

[samkm]

This will be 2 pledged delegates each... after BO poured money into Guam in mega scale advertising. If he is elected, he will massively affect their economy and it is not at all understood.

pnevai has a good understanding of the subject. I request pnevai to talk with the SDs from Guam.

And, no, the primary is not over with Guam. We have to work the phones today thru Tuesday night.. and thru OR primary. Thanks everyone. Dont even hesitate ONE second to get on the phone. If you can talk to a friend on the phone, you have all the skills needed to make these phonecalls!! This is easy; you just have to get started, and I assure you that you will actually enjoy making a huge difference for Hillary. Thanks.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=9458

[lucky-ann]

is it still a 6 point difference?

[samkm]

That's the last we know when they stopped reporting. Actual counting seems to have stopped at their 11pm or so. Their clock is 10 hrs ahead of EST.

[B positive]

From Sudakm: If you can talk to a friend on the phone, you have all the skills needed to make these phonecalls!! This is easy stuff.

BEST QUOTE OF THE DAY !!!!

1. Click Here: http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/
2. Pick up the phone and Go !!

[CGP]

I am just waiting for the humorous, ridiculous and distorted media headlines - "Obama regains momentum with massive Guam win", "Obam's huge win in Guam, "Obama back on track with Guam victory", "Clinton campaign in jeopardy after Guam loss", "Calls for Clinton to exit after Obama's big victory in Guam"...

You know, the usual LIES and BULLSH*T.

[Optixmom]

I am just waiting for the humorous, ridiculous and distorted media headlines - "Obama regains momentum with massive Guam win", "Obam's huge win in Guam, "Obama back on track with Guam victory", "Clinton campaign in jeopardy after Guam loss", "Calls for Clinton to exit after Obama's big victory in Guam"...

You know, the usual LIES and BULLSH*T.

As of 2am (their time) she was only down by 88 votes...big whoop. There are still 9 districts to go and since it is taking so long, maybe there are larger numbers of caucus votes there in those districts. The delegates will be split either way.

[WV4Hillary]

Yeah..it's not over yet!

I agree with the headlines though. That's what I worried about.

[Optixmom]

2:45 a.m. — After 12 districts have been counted, Sen. Barack Obama has widened his lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic caucus.

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina, 151 in Inarajan, 46 in Asan, 55 in Chalan Pago, 87 in Santa Rita, 102 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 28 in Hagåtña, 158 in Barrigada, 36 in Merizo, 49 in Piti and 131 in Sinajana for a total of 899 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina, 87 in Inarajan, 33 in Asan, 87 in Chalan Pago, 73 in Santa Rita, 81 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 29 votes in Hagåtña, 166 in Barrigada, 33 in Merizo, 51 in Piti and 89 in Sinajana for a total of 769 votes.

Summary: 12 districts: Obama 899 (53.9%), Clinton 769 (46.1%) difference 130 votes.

[CGP]

As of 2am (their time) she was only down by 88 votes...big whoop. There are still 9 districts to go and since it is taking so long, maybe there are larger numbers of caucus votes there in those districts. The delegates will be split either way.

Yes, I know, it's very close and no big victory. But that's the point - whenever Obama wins anything the media goes hysterical and inflates everything to the max. It's infuriating. Meanwhile, Hillary actually has a victory that counts - PA - by a big margin (nearly 10%) and the media cries that it wasn't a "big enough" victory...yawn....

[Optixmom]

3:25 a.m. — After 13 districts have been counted, Sen. Barack Obama maintains a lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic caucus.

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina, 151 in Inarajan, 46 in Asan, 55 in Chalan Pago, 87 in Santa Rita, 102 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 28 in Hagåtña, 158 in Barrigada, 36 in Merizo, 49 in Piti, 131 in Sinajana and 108 in Agana Heights for a total of 1007 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina, 87 in Inarajan, 33 in Asan, 87 in Chalan Pago, 73 in Santa Rita, 81 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 29 votes in Hagåtña, 166 in Barrigada, 33 in Merizo, 51 in Piti, 89 in Sinajana and 105 in Agana Heights for a total of 874 votes.

Summary: Obama 1007 (53.5%), Clinton 874 (46.5%) for 13 districts...133 vote difference...

[JMS825]

I dont care what the media says 2 delegates each plus 2SD for Hillary is not a win in either direction.

[pnevai]

Well they are at least starting to get the poll right. This one pretty much went exactly according to the polls. We just have to Pray that since the polls show a good lead for Obama in NC and tied in Indiana are no where close, Or Ladies you can say the Fat Lady has sung, Obama's momentum may have come back. Although Guam takes the wind right out of the argument that because Obama did not physically campaign there is the reason he lost that he has been using to disqualify the FLorida vote. Guam is so small while delegates have been apportioned by percentage they usually vote as a block in the convention for the winner at the convention. So Guam actually comes out like a winner take all state. 4 more to Obama.

But as of now with the continual leakage of superdelegates to Obama the winner take all allocation of Guams Delegates, The FAT lady in on the stage and testing the microphone.

Hillary has to win and win by doble digits in Indiana, and scratch out a win in Indiana that is big enough to offset Guam and still get a net gain in delegates.

[Optixmom]

I have to go. I sent Murray my access info at the Guam newspaper for the Caucus details. There are still 7 more districts to tally.

[Linda C]

How much money has obama paid for those votes?

[Ace]

I'm watching the RSS feeds...

Update #3

Here are the current Guam Caucus Results (Makeshift map provided, please note some villages are too small to appear on the map):

http://blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/05/guam-caucus-results.html

The Clinton faithful still have hope, as the critical precinct of Dededo - the island's most populous village - remains uncounted.

[Bets1]

This is strange. I'm seeing different results after 13 districts reporting. Only 25 difference.

3:25 a.m. — After 13 districts have been counted, Sen. Barack Obama maintains a lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic caucus.

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina, 151 in Inarajan, 46 in Asan, 55 in Chalan Pago, 87 in Santa Rita, 102 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 28 in Hagåtña, 158 in Barrigada, 36 in Merizo, 49 in Piti, 131 in Sinajana and 108 in Agana Heights for a total of 899 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina, 87 in Inarajan, 33 in Asan, 87 in Chalan Pago, 73 in Santa Rita, 81 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 29 votes in Hagåtña, 166 in Barrigada, 33 in Merizo, 51 in Piti, 89 in Sinajana and 105 in Agana Heights for a total of 874 votes.

My information from quampdn.com (http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504011/1002)

Note: Now I understand. They forgot to add Obama's 108 for Agana Heights. That makes it 1007 - 874! Du'oh!!

[Bad Kitty]

Bets 1 I like your results better. :)

[swannyj]

One of the commenters indicated they had failed to add the 108 to Obama's total...

[WV4Hillary]

Starr..your signature.

Did Hillary really say that? When?

lol

[lucky-ann]

CNN
Obama.....53%..........1,393
Clinton......47%.........1,222
% in.........79%

[Wales for Hillary]

Clinton 1222 (47%)
Obama 1393 (53%)

79% counties in.....5 to go

[Optixmom]

4:15 a.m. — After 15 districts have been counted, Sen. Barack Obama maintains a lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic caucus, with about 54 percent of 2,230 total votes counted thus far

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina, 151 in Inarajan, 46 in Asan, 55 in Chalan Pago, 87 in Santa Rita, 102 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 28 in Hagåtña, 158 in Barrigada, 36 in Merizo, 49 in Piti, 131 in Sinajana, 108 in Agana Heights, 194 in Sinajana and 192 in Tamuning for a total of 1,393 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina, 87 in Inarajan, 33 in Asan, 87 in Chalan Pago, 73 in Santa Rita, 81 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 29 votes in Hagåtña, 166 in Barrigada, 33 in Merizo, 51 in Piti, 89 in Sinajana, 105 in Agana Heights, 155 in Mangilao and 193 in Tamuning for a total of 1,222 votes.

Summary: 15 districts Obama (53.3%), Clinton (46.7%)...5 more districts to go...171 vote difference...

p.s. I finished me errand...

[Bets1]

5:05 a.m. — After 16 districts have been counted, Sen. Barack Obama maintains a lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic caucus. Two of the largest districts, Dededo and Yigo, still haven’t been counted toward the total vote, however.

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina, 151 in Inarajan, 46 in Asan, 55 in Chalan Pago, 87 in Santa Rita, 102 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 28 in Hagåtña, 158 in Barrigada, 36 in Merizo, 49 in Piti, 131 in Sinajana, 108 in Agana Heights, 194 in Sinajana, 192 in Tamuning and 27 in Umatac for a total of 1,420 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina, 87 in Inarajan, 33 in Asan, 87 in Chalan Pago, 73 in Santa Rita, 81 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 29 votes in Hagåtña, 166 in Barrigada, 33 in Merizo, 51 in Piti, 89 in Sinajana, 105 in Agana Heights, 155 in Mangilao, 193 in Tamuning and 24 in Umatac for a total of 1,246votes.

Stay tunned!

[JMS825]

On CNN they have it 1420 (53%) Obama to 1246 (47%) Hillary with 79% in which is basically a even split on Delegates I just hope the 21% out still is in Hillary's strong hold

[JMS825]

sure enough CNN is spinning Guam as a momentum changer. Guam and PR can hold primary but not vote in Nov which makes me wonder why can Guam and PR help decide a canidate but FL and MI cant

[Soaring Eagle]

sure enough CNN is spinning Guam as a momentum changer. Guam and PR can hold primary but not vote in Nov which makes me wonder why can Guam and PR help decide a canidate but FL and MI cant

I could not have said it better.

[Annie]

I wish she could win this little not important island of Guam but I understand a lot of the votes were sent in previous to the Wright scandal and The One whom I can't name - is like that spider in aHarry Potter film with all his little marching spiders crawling all over everywhere.

Candles for Monday - tomorrow at 9pm eastern standard time.

[JMS825]

I could not have said it better.

sounds like a question for Sir Dean to answer

[CGP]

sure enough CNN is spinning Guam as a momentum changer.

As predicted. A load of bullsh*t.

But would we predict anything other than LIES from Obama's CNN?

No, they have shown their true colors and exposed their appallingly biased journalism. Never again will they be able to cast slurs at Fox News for being biased for the GOP. CNN is basically on Obama's campaign team. It's digusting.

[pnevai]

sure enough CNN is spinning Guam as a momentum changer. Guam and PR can hold primary but not vote in Nov which makes me wonder why can Guam and PR help decide a canidate but FL and MI cant

That is because in this instance it is. As much as we think that the delegates will be split evenly, they wont. In Guam being as small as it is, nearly everyone is family. Once a winner is decided all of the delegates and the supers there will fall behind the winner. It is for all practtcal purposes a winner take all democratic primary.

Who ever wins here takes home all of the peanuts.

The numbers fo Obama just slowly keep growing. Now the Clinton campaign will have to win in Indiana and NC big enough to yeild a net gain, factoring the loss in Guam. She now has to get bigger victories in Indiana and North Carolina, which is doubtfull at best.

Guam also vindicates Obama's Cacus results in the states to a degree as well. Painful facts but they are what they are.

[Soaring Eagle]

That is because in this instance it is. As much as we think that the delegates will be split evenly, they wont. In Guam being as small as it is, nearly everyone is family. Once a winner is decided all of the delegates and the supers there will fall behind the winner. It is for all practtcal purposes a winner take all democratic primary.

Who ever wins here takes home all of the peanuts.

The numbers fo Obama just slowly keep growing. Now the Clinton campaign will have to win in Indiana and NC big enough to yeild a net gain, factoring the loss in Guam. She now has to get bigger victories in Indiana and North Carolina, which is doubtfull at best.

Guam also vindicates Obama's Cacus results in the states to a degree as well. Painful facts but they are what they are.

If you were trying depress, you have succeeded!

[Patricia GA]

86 % in now. I guess no use discussing it if they are going to all go to Obama anyways.

[OkieforHRC2008]

If you were trying depress, you have succeeded!

I agree, that was depressing. I personally don't know much about Guam and find it funny they can't vote come November, but they can in the primaries?? Crazy.

~~OkieforHRC2008

[lucky-ann]

I also don't believe that the Guam loss is important ;) Don't get me wrong Guam has every right to vote and they should really be able to vote in the GE...still there live even less people than in Wyoming (about half) and just about 2000-2500 people attended the caucuses there...and it's just a 6 point difference or about 200 votes...the delegates will be split evenly and it will have no real impact on the popular vote...momentum? come on, I don't think so:p

[samkm]

The Guam Super Delegates who have endorsed HRC are very strongly in her favor. So, I do not expect a tsunami shift from the delegates.

No, Guam as a protectorate can influence the nominee but they dont have vote in November.

Yes, weird that Guam counts (and disproportionately so than many other states) and especially so when FL and MI do not.

[HRH Jorge]

I don't see why any territory or commonwealth doesn't have the complete ability to engage in the choice for representation. All territories ultimately answer to U.S. laws and fall under all decisions made by our government.

I think wheither they be from the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the U.S Virgin Islands etc.. everyone should have a say in the Presidential election and Congressional representation.
HRH

sure enough CNN is spinning Guam as a momentum changer. Guam and PR can hold primary but not vote in Nov which makes me wonder why can Guam and PR help decide a canidate but FL and MI cant

[joeysky18]

sure enough CNN is spinning Guam as a momentum changer.

If it's a pig, no matter how hard CNN try to say it's a lion, it will always be a pig.

[WV4Hillary]

I'm confused..


Guam isn't over. Did they call it for him? The largest village is uncounted and has 1,400 ballots...enough to change the results.

[lucky-ann]

CNN
Obama.....53%..........1,951
Clinton......47%.........1,748
% in.........95%

I don't think the results can be changed anymore, but in my view a 6 point caucus loss for hillary can be seen as a 10 point primary victory...

[Ace]

I'm watching the RSS feeds...

Update #4

Here are the current Guam Caucus Results:

http://blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/05/guam-caucus-results.html

[mkreyns]

Big deal. Is this just a difference of 203 votes or what? Anyway, not a game changer. The biggest county still has to be counted.

[lucky-ann]

this was posted by someone on TM:

Just In from Guam

Down to the wire: Dededo could decide caucus



It's all come down to one village. Presidential candidate hopeful Senator Hillary Clinton decidedly took Agat, and Barack Obama just barely won Yona for the Guam Democrat Caucus, bringing Obama's lead to just 5.5%. And the only remaining village left to be counted is Dededo, Guam's second-largest municipality and its most populated.

Senator Obama now has 1,951 votes, with Senator Clinton garnering 1,748. Rough estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau peg the population of the northern village being around 46,000 - about a third of the total Guam community.


The Obama campaign had expected to win Guam by 11 pts according to their own projections.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obamas_projections.html

[WV4Hillary]

Yeah, that's what I've being trying to say.

When the CNN, MSNBC, and all those say 95% in, they mean 95% of all PRECINCTS. Some precincts are bigger than others.

Say you have 99 precincts with 100 votes each...and then 1 with 10,000 votes...and it says 99% in...that last 1% COULD change the entire vote. Uncommon, but possible. That last 5% is the most populous precincts..

[lucky-ann]

yes, sorry, I thought it meant votes...

[lucky-ann]

by the way...why was the thread moved?? guam is apparently really not over yet!

[CGP]

by the way...why was the thread moved?? guam is apparently really not over yet!

Not good use of time/energy when thousands of voters in NC and Indiana need to be called!

[MarkMiller]

As it was pointed out to me very early this morning.....the two split the delegates. Obama just gets the bragging rights.....but it is only a single digit win. I was hopeful but as i stated a while back.....Guam has high racial tension and has for decades.

[Angelica91]

Do you think that anything will change???
Can Hillary win???

[MarkMiller]

It's over. Obama won with 53% to Clinton's 47%. 100% of the precincts in.

Edit: They are counting by hand so i don't know if it's all counted yet but it is being reported as an Obama win.

[lucky-ann]

Saturday, May 3
Real-time Race Results: Updated May 3, 2008 - 6:51 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 100%
Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner
Obama 2,264 50% 2 Winner
Clinton 2,257 50% 2

okay, obama got 7 votes more, but we want to ignore this little fact ;)

obama had an office in Guam, paid staffers, ads and the obama campaign predicted to win Guam by 11 %...seems like the people of Guam are pretty smart ;)

[Ace]

Even the Kentucky Derby wasn't this close. In the strangest of circumstances that could only bring about the closest of races, Hillary Rodham Clinton finished with 49.9% of the vote of the Guam Democratic Caucus, just 7 votes shy of Barack Obama's total of 50.1%. While Obama led for the vast majority of the night's tallying, Clinton needed a strong finish in the municipality of Dededo, Guam's most populous village. And she did - gaining 61% of the 822 votes counted by the Democratic Party of Guam.

Note: these are unofficial, uncertified results as tabulated by the Democratic Party of Guam. The DPG also noted a high number of spoiled ballots in Dededo.

http://www.kuam.com/news/27694.aspx

[Angelica91]

It's over. Obama won with 53% to Clinton's 47%. 100% of the precincts in.

Edit: They are counting by hand so i don't know if it's all counted yet but it is being reported as an Obama win.
Uff! I'm very sad! This is should be the Hillary's momentum and...Obama won ???? noooo!:(:(:(

[RayinAR]

I thought someone said the final was 53 to 47.

[OkieforHRC2008]

I believe that total was without the 100% reporting (87% from last I heard). This is good news, especially since this was a caucus.

~~OkieforHRC2008

[Bets1]

CNN just called it, but failed to say that he won by a mere 7 votes!

I can't believe 7 lousy votes makes him the winner! GRRRRRRRRR!!

2264 - 2257 votes! GRRRR!

[Donald]

This is a victory for Hillary. She was not expected to do well in Guam, since Obama has roots in the Pacific Islands..I can not believe there was only a 7 vote differance..Lets hope they find 8 more for Hill.

However, its a split, 2 to 2 on delegates and proves that Hillary has major mo going in to Tuesday.

Lets focus on NC and Indiana. I have been blogging at NC papers today..We need to get the right information out in those states about Hillary and her issues.

Lets get it done.

Congrats Hillary for a great showing in Guam.

[CGP]

Does anyone take CNN seriously? I mean, this is a serious question? They are a complete JOKE. Running with a breaking news headline of "Sen. Barack Obama wins Guam's Democratic presidential caucuses by 7 votes" :eek:

[lucky-ann]

if you go to www.cnn.com the breaking news headline is "Barack Obama wins Guam caucus by 7 votes"...this is so freaking funny lol

[MarkMiller]

I thought someone said the final was 53 to 47.

That was me and the information was given when all the precincts had reported....but I edited the post to say that it is a hand count so it may change....but not enough to effect delegate count or the win.

[Donald]

Hi Murry, no don't take CNN seriously, but since they got their news off-line by the AP, I assume we can trust some of it..

I think we can see some change when the dust settles, but I still say its a victory for Hillary.

[Bets1]

I can't believe this outrageous statement. She won the largest district by 196!!

Obama finished with 2,264 votes to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s 2,257 votes – a 7-point difference. Obama never trailed from the first vote count on.

Obama won 14 of 21 districts. Most districts that were won by Clinton were by small margins.

Obama got 37 votes in Ordot, 19 in Maina, 151 in Inarajan, 46 in Asan, 55 in Chalan Pago, 87 in Santa Rita, 102 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 28 in Hagåtña, 158 in Barrigada, 36 in Merizo, 49 in Piti, 131 in Sinajana, 108 in Agana Heights, 194 in Mangilao 192 in Tamuning, 27 in Umatac, 76 in Talofofo, 224 in Yigo, 104 in Yona, 127 in Agat and 313 in Dededo for a total of 2,264 votes.

Sen. Hillary Clinton took 18 votes in Ordot, 22 in Maina, 87 in Inarajan, 33 in Asan, 87 in Chalan Pago, 73 in Santa Rita, 81 in Mongmong-Toto-Maite, 29 votes in Hagåtña, 166 in Barrigada, 33 in Merizo, 51 in Piti, 89 in Sinajana, 105 in Agana Heights, 155 in Mangilao, 193 in Tamuning, 24 in Umatac, 52 in Talofofo, 211 in Yigo, 98 in Yona, 141 in Agat and 509 in Dededo for a total of 2,257 votes.

[hillary4change]

I wonder if bo is feeling prepared for tuesday now!!
Do you think he feels like he has his MoJo back like CNN does!!
They act like it was a landslide!!
Pahhhhhthetic!!!

[RayinAR]

Anyway you break it down they TIED Guam. I may be the only one that thinks this but 7 votes to me is not a win it is a TIE. Give me a break.

[samkm]

They are trying to make the argument as if Guam is Pennsylvania! Hello! Do they know about his bitter clingy comments and finger-flip? I dont think so. Do they know BO will bring them utter chaos and make them irrelevant to America? Probably not. They think he is one of them! So many advertisements that the whole place was floating on ads. Still, just 7 votes!

[Jake501]

108 votes in Dededo were VIODED! In a village that was predicted to have 1200 votes only 890 show up!

[samkm]

They are trying to make the argument as if Guam is Pennsylvania! Hello! Do they know about his bitter clingy comments and finger-flip? I dont think so. Do they know BO will bring them utter chaos and make them irrelevant to America? Probably not. They think he is one of them! So many advertisements that the whole place was floating on ads. Still, just 7 votes!

DONT waste your energy. Make phonecalls to NC.

[ZY123]

So I've been working all day...the loss is an even delegate split? Yet the liberal leaning networks are calling it a BIG WIN? Big surprise, they are probably being fed their lines by Soros.

And eff CNN. I haven't watched them since Super Tuesday and don't plan on looking back.

[lucky-ann]

actually I heard on cnn that they were shocked that it was so close since obama was expected to win big...I guess it depends on who's talking ;)

[Morgan]

"UPDATE: Unofficial results show Obama may have won by only 7 votes. Note: these are unofficial, uncertified results as tabulated by the Democratic Party of Guam. The DPG also noted a high number of spoiled ballots in Dededo.

Look at the voting breakdown. Notice above Dededo, that the amount of spoiled ballots is not listed. Again these amounts are unofficial."


High number of spoiled ballots? Were they Hillary ballots that were spoiled, how were they spoiled?

[mkreyns]

if you go to www.cnn.com the breaking news headline is "Barack Obama wins Guam caucus by 7 votes"...this is so freaking funny lol

It is Hill-sterical! I've never seen anything like this. Maybe it will change when they verify the count and Hillary will win by 7 votes!

[HillWill]

7 votes and they're calling it a defeat! Ha! They can't stop hillary's mo...we will take Indiana, NC, WV, KY. keep working folks!

[Bad Kitty]

obama had an office in Guam, paid staffers, ads and the obama campaign predicted to win Guam by 11 %...seems like the people of Guam are pretty smart ;)

....and seems like the OB people didn't listen in math class when they were learning how to figure precentages. :p

[Bad Kitty]

7 votes. Hillary is so awesome. Guam has proven, just like PA, that people cannot be bought. This is so exciting!!!

[HRH Jorge]

I'm pissed He won- and by only 7 votes!
But glad to have him continue to waste money on what basically is a tie!
HRH

[lucky-ann]

lol...there is so much talk about how accurate the obama campaign projections always are LOL not this time...they expected a 11 point win and didn't even get a 11 votes win:p

[Santiago]

Still unaccounted for ballots!

[Bad Kitty]

Still unaccounted for ballots!

somebody check behind OB's waffle maker

[Morgan]

somebody check behind OB's waffle maker


LMAO

[Peppermint Patty]

somebody check behind OB's waffle maker

They might be under that very crowded bus with granny, Wright and oh so many others!

[Linda C]

http://pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=161&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=24110&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com


Recount will be done in Guam

[JMS825]

This Obama supporter was at the campaign touting that Obama won Guam which proves he is a leader I said yeah they split 2 Delegates each and Hillary had 2 SD and Obama had 1 he said well the delegates dont mater what maters is he won that was before I knew it was by only 7 votes.