Texas Caucus Results

[davo_pa]

Hey guys, I just went to BO's official website and saw a map of all states (it's called State of the Race) that have held primaries/caucuses already. As I was looking at it, I saw an one of those BO logos on top of Texas. Can someone explain to me why he believes he won Texas? The numbers surely prove that it was Hillary who wont it. We also know that the causes were not even remotely close to being legal and fair. Can't he just be humble and admit that he lost? :mad:

[CGP]

Can't he just be humble and admit that he lost? :mad:

No, he can't, that's the problem - ARROGANCE!

[CGP]

TX Caucus still only 41% counted!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

And he lost the primary vote 51% to 47%.

[skc1976]

I noticed that earlier and figured that he's calling the caucus before it's over. Like Murray said, ARROGANCE! I'd give ANYTHING for it to come back and bite him on the butt and the site!

[johnny51981]

I sure hope that Hillary pulls off the caucus too.

[trading wine for beer]

I noticed that earlier and figured that he's calling the caucus before it's over. Like Murray said, ARROGANCE! I'd give ANYTHING for it to come back and bite him on the butt and the site!

now that would be great! We can dream, my friends. We can hope. Where there's hope, there's dreams... and where there's dreams, there's hope. And we will come together and Texas will make it happen! Our day has come my sisters and brothers! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:cool:

[Patsy]

Yes, Mr. Fraud feels that with 41% of a tainted caucus counted he can consider it a win. And, yes the police were called to one location because all of his loving and different political supporters barred the doors not to allow any Clinton supporters in.

This is getting ridiculous and Howard Dean is a joke. Voter intimidation is unacceptable under any circumstance.

Gotta love "the above the fray" approach.

He's definitely bringing a new tone and freshness to the politics of old.

[barrington41]

They're all saying he will end up winning the caucus, and thereby have 2 more delegates than Hillary has in Texas. I personally think it's very suspicious that they haven't posted any updates (still only 41% counted) for two days.

If anything, though, this is more proof that caucuses are ridiculous. 3 million people voted in the Texas primaries and Hillary won. Then 100,000 people who had already voted were able to spend another few hours at an appointed time, and their votes negate the large primary winner.

I'd really like to learn why in the world Texas has the "two step" - what in the world could be the reason? You get millions of people to vote, and then want to reward activists with an extra, more-heavily weighted vote? I can't even imagine what the reason is.

[OkieforHRC2008]

I have a young friend (unable to vote at the moment) who is coming of age in the general election. His teacher, wrongly, informed him that Obama won the texas caucuses. My husband, who happens to work with this young person, told me, and I immediately looked at cnn.com . Does he know something I don't? Thanks for telling us that Obama's claiming texas on his page. That's probably where the misinformed teacher gets his information!


~~OkieforHRC2008

Stop the Obamination!

[bernie gagliano]

She beat him in the primary, but he will make huge delegate pick up in the caucus. He has made big pickups in nearly every place she won primaries because of the rules.

This is not winner take all.

What Hillary is proving is she wins Blue states and crucial states Dems must carry.

He has claimed the delegate lead and lots of delegates everywhere, and delegates are the goal.

Her campaign ignored this reality and put her behind. She now has a public relations fight to prove she can be stronger than he in the General Election.

She needs to fight every election for every delegate. And she needs a 10-15 point win in Pennsylvania. She has him on a personal and campaign org greased poll, but her big-mouthed campaign aides, who can't even proof-read a press release for typos, and who say the dumbest things (Howard Wolfson, Phil Singer, and the merry band of dunderheads) have to keep Hillary on target.

They will have 45-48 days to get Pennsylvania right. It is not enough to win that state by 4 points. She needs to destroy him there.

We all have to pump up the Money and do the Phoning.

We need to connect this Forum to orgs and blogs in Pa. Pipeline our enthusiasm into the ground troops and supporters like we did in Texas and Ohio.

[RAFREE]

ADMIN REMOVED QUOTE CONTENTS

Violations at these caucuses are being contested right now. There is one out right fraud going on that is caught on tape. From now on I encourage everyone to alert the police in your area ahead of time to violations common to all these caucuses and bring your cameras with you. Then report anything you see going on that is in violation. If you are locked out of a caucus call the police as one district already had to do in Texas in addition to the unregistered voters who were allowed to caucus at another location. This is being looked into right now.

[Jake501]

From BO.com

AUSTIN -- Obama Texas State Director Adrian Saenz issued a statement on the projected primary and caucus results that show Senator Obama won more Texas delegates than Senator Clinton.

“By fighting the primary to a near-draw and earning a resounding victory in the caucus, the people of Texas have moved Barack Obama one step closer to claiming the Democratic nomination for president,” said Adrian Saenz. “Texans in both parties and of all ages sent a clear message that the American people are ready for the kind of change that Barack Obama will bring to Washington, DC as our 44th President."

Because of the close finish, Senator Clinton will likely net only two delegates up-for-grabs in the Texas Primary. Based on a large sample of caucus results in all 31 state senate districts, Senator Obama is projected to post a substantial victory in the Texas caucus and, thereby, net at least seven delegates. This means that Senator Obama will win at least five more pledged delegates from Texas than Senator Clinton.

[CGP]

Obama won nothing in Texas. The caucuses were a total fraud. If he wants to claim a victory over a fraudulent process, good luck to thim. :rolleyes:

[josephm]

Texas caucuses show all of us something important!!!

It shows us that Caucus system results don't equate to Primary system result. Caucus system is minipulative. In the General Election, which use Primary system, everybody votes without caucus minipulative factor. People vote behind the booth, and nobody can change their voices. Many people and blacks, for example, are scorned by their friends, neighbors, and family. Some are even treated as an outcast. At my work place, if you mention Hillary's name, you are treated like you are hated. In some community, you get death threats. It is aweful.

Since Texas primary have the same voters who voted one thing behind the booth and voted another in caucuses. We can see that, in the General Election, the same people aren't going to vote the same as what they voted in Caucuses.

It is so simple to see.... and also very scary to find out.... :eek:

[PuppyDogMom]

This is a classic example of why we have voting that's secret in this country. And it's also a great example of how undemocratic caucuses are.:mad:

[Kathy in NH]

It's been over a week now and the election map at cnn still shows only 41% of the caucus vote counted. Mighty strange that BO calls it a win. Does anyone have any news/updates on the outcome of this caucus and whether the final results are being held up because of voting improprieties?

[LJSNAustin]

It's been over a week now and the election map at cnn still shows only 41% of the caucus vote counted. Mighty strange that BO calls it a win. Does anyone have any news/updates on the outcome of this caucus and whether the final results are being held up because of voting improprieties?

Today, the Austin newspaper headlines that Clinton's campaign is calling on the TX. Democratic Party to hold off on having the next step in delegate selection...the County Conventions...UNTIL every single signature from the night of the caucuses, statewide, has been verified.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/03/16/0316texascaucus.html

[Jayling]

I just received this email from the Texas Democratic Party. As you read, you'll notice that they're blowing off Hillary's requests to stop this selection and verify the flawed situation. Read on:

Below is a statement by Texas Democratic Chairman Boyd Richie regarding the Delegate Selection Process:

The Texas Democratic Party and local Democratic Party organizations around our state are working to turn the enormous opportunity created by the record Democratic turnout experienced on March 4th into a positive outcome for Texas Democrats this fall and in 2010. We are proud of both our Presidential candidates who helped create that turnout. We ask now that the campaigns work with us rather than become an impediment to this extraordinary opportunity to build our party.

On March 4th, our Democratic precinct conventions experienced record turnout of roughly one million precinct convention attendees, a ten-fold increase from the previous high attendance mark. As expected in any record turnout involving hundreds of thousands of people, there were reports of problems caused by long lines and crowded facilities. These problems are not unique to Texas. Similar problems, in proportionately similar numbers, occurred in pure caucus states like Iowa and Nevada.

The overwhelming majority of problems reported in Texas do not affect the legitimacy of delegate allocation. It is important to remember that the precinct conventions are just the first of three steps where delegates and alternates are selected. "Final results" will not be determined until June 6-7 at the Texas Democratic State convention. And at each convention step, Texas Democratic Party rules provide a credentials process to address problems and provide an avenue to register complaints and make formal challenges

For that reason, the Texas Democratic Party will not do as suggested by one campaign and circumvent Party rules to set up an unnecessary, ad hoc "verification" process that could effectively disqualify delegates selected at their precinct conventions after the fact. The Party has never stated any intention to set up a verification process of this nature because Party rules already provide for "verification" through our credentials process. Candidates who wish to disqualify delegates must pursue formal challenges based on evidence filed appropriately in accordance with our party's rules.

The Texas Democratic Party plans to conduct our district and county conventions on March 29 and our June State Convention in accordance with procedures set forth in Texas law and party rules. Both campaigns have the opportunity and responsibility to do their jobs by documenting evidence, filing challenges if warranted, and turning out their delegates in a system that rewards such an effort when final delegate results are determined at the State Convention in June.

(emphasis mine)

I'm getting really really ticked here...

[Charlie Brown]

Texas caucuses show all of us something important!!!

It shows us that Caucus system results don't equate to Primary system result. Caucus system is minipulative. In the General Election, which use Primary system, everybody votes without caucus minipulative factor. People vote behind the booth, and nobody can change their voices. Many people and blacks, for example, are scorned by their friends, neighbors, and family. Some are even treated as an outcast. At my work place, if you mention Hillary's name, you are treated like you are hated. In some community, you get death threats. It is aweful.

Since Texas primary have the same voters who voted one thing behind the booth and voted another in caucuses. We can see that, in the General Election, the same people aren't going to vote the same as what they voted in Caucuses.

It is so simple to see.... and also very scary to find out.... :eek:

My Husband and I noticed how rude the Bo supporters are. They Find out your for Hillary and they have no problem dissing you, people you know do this. Where they were friendly before.

[jgilmore]

As a Texas I am insulted by Obama claiming victory in a caucus where party officials have stopped the counting.....someone needs to check into that.

[GoHillary]

Has anyone else heard that the Dem Party in Texas is not going to "verify" all of the delegates given to them from the caucuses "as one political candidate wants!"

Uh...since many of these "caucuses" and I use the term loosely were chaotic and fraudulent, this would be the only time that they would be verified period!

I know my caucus was a joke, and nobody asked for identification to help prevent fraud! I am disturbed by the party here in Texas. Why can't they verify...oh that's right, they changed the rules at the last minute and aren't requiring the precincts to turn in their "results!"

What a crock of CRAP...we need to contact the party and let them know we aren't going to stand for this...and that they need to VERIFY those delegates, even if it means the next step is postponed. Better to be safe than cheaters!

[movingtous]

I had filed a complaint about the caucus irregularities in my precinct. It was chaotic and open to a lot of cheating. I know what intimidation means, now. I reported that no one was in charge, so people had to volunteer. The volunteers didn't know what to do. I was booed by the crowd when I asked the chairman to check our ID's or voter cards. It was a horrible experience, one that I will definitely never have again! Anyhow, I made three complaints, just to make sure that Hillary got them, and the lawyer told me he had all three in front of him. I am so glad they are following through with this!

[xyndau]

I Hope Hillary files suit over the fiasco of a so-called democratic caucus in Texas.

___________________________
By KELLEY SHANNON
Associated Press
March 17, 2008, 7:09PM

AUSTIN — The Texas Democratic Party said on Monday it won't grant a request from Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign that it take extra steps to verify the signatures of caucus-goers before party conventions are held March 29.

Click here for story. (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5627315.html)

[BloodDAnna]

Hmmm were'nt they the ones who didn't want to finish verifying because it was taking to long?

[Sincere]

The night after the Texas caucuses some gentleman on one of the blogs ( as I remember it was the DEM Underground.) said he had just returned from one of the caucus sites and there was roughhouse tactics going on. Some shut the door on some of the Hillary supporters. Also he said people who were not even registered had been counted and he aserted some were not even citizens he thought. I guess little old ladies would have had a hard time voting with all this shoving and elbowing.

[CGP]

Concerning that a disastrous fiasco like the Texas caucuses COUNTS while an orderly primary in Florida does NOT COUNT. In both cases, the absurdity favors Obama.

Ridiculous. Where is the sanity in all of this?

[jgilmore]

I am in Texas and I can tell you that there was a lot of rough behavior in some of the big cities...I think the police were called out in Houston to calm things down. Doors were held shut on Hillary folks to keep them from getting in. It is just outrageous. But the truth is they can't count the results cause many of them were never received, no ID's were examined prior to the votes. It was just pandemonium...One person putting down several people's names...that kind of thing.

[floorrunner]

It is now 20 days since this TX caucus and they still have not counted any results beyond the 41%. They are awarding the bulk of the delegates to Obama. If that isn't fraud I do not know what is. If all the votes were counted and reported and he still won, I'd still be disappointed, but at least I would not be angry.

[Robin Orlowski]

The state HRC office decided to move to an even more inaccessible mass transit office. This time it is completely mass transit inaccessible. No bus routes go anywhere near this new office. And being out of the system service area means that para-transit will not service it either.

So you either have to have a car yourself or partner with a friend who does and be totally dependent on their schedule, an irony that Austin is a city with a high percentage of people who don't drive even in Texas.

It's also ironic given Hillary is the only candidate with a strong record of working for and with people with disabilities. The staff on her campaign have not researched the expectations their boss has regarding disability issues.

This misconduct (which would be immediately unacceptable and unheard of against communities based on religion ethinicity sex....etc) certainly goes against her lifetime record of advocacy.

She would want to know why myself and other people legally required to use public transit have been systematically barred from accessing her campaign office. There is no reason for a lower standard when it comes to disability. And attempting to make excuses for the campaign staff's misconduct is completely appalling.

Sure you can do stuff online. But you cannot attend events at the HQ and meet other people there--which I realize is the fun of a campaign.