PRIMARY: Official North Carolina Results Thread

[WV4Hillary]

Post...exit polls..celebrations..whatever.

Don't forget about the live chat also.

[Donald]

Men, white/no college going for Clinton..

NC exit polls seem hard to follow. AA, going for Obama. Those concerned about the economy, going for Obama... This will be interesting to watch.

[underpaidnurse]

I think they just posted that 91% of all AA voters here in NC are going for Obummer.

[hillguy08]

When do the polls close in North Carolina?

[Donald]

When do the polls close in North Carolina?

7:30 pm eastern

[Jayling]

Here's the link for the North Carolina Secretary of State (http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/) where you can get the election results from a reliable source -- election officials.

Use this for the incoming ballot counts (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3079/en/summary.html).

Light those candles -- it's gonna be a long exciting night!

[msga7]

Don't underestimate the loyal base of the democrat party. I read recently that in North Carolina, there are more rural, blue collar democrats than there are AA's in North Carolina.

The key will be Charlotte, the city of churches.

msga

[Christines]

Just got off the phone in North Carolina before the polls close! One woman told me that if I see Hillary to tell her that she is loved so much! I heard heart breaking stories today in N C. people working two jobs to feed their families and losing both jobs. Losing jobs in their late fifties and not being able to get another job except at Wal Mart. Not being able to get health care after losing jobs.
One lady said that only Hillary could help them!

It was obvious that the university students were behind Obama.

I am waiting to see the final results in N C.

I think Wright and the mistrust of his patriotism hurt Obama in N C.

[underpaidnurse]

I am crossing my fingers here in NC, but I am hoping to dear whovever that people wake up and see what Obama really represents. I was having trouble getting on here and went to dens of depravity on AOL politcs chat and was repeatedly called racist. I even made the point of if you divide 10 mil by 7 years that they keep talking about Clintons income, they made less a year than Obama has in the past two years on average..I had a woman come back and say, well that means they made 10 mil a year..OMGGGGGG

[Donald]

I think NC is still in play. If Bill Clinton's efforts pay-off in his rural tour, those votes may counter the large turnout of AA for Obama. I have a feeling that these smaller towns may not be considered in exit polling. So I think it really hinges on those communities, and being from NC( born in Concord, live in SC now) I know NC has a lot of rural area's.

Regardless, we do not quit... We keep fighting on.

[Donald]

FOX is going to call NC in 5 minutes when the polls close.

[GOHillary08]

I am crossing my fingers here in NC, but I am hoping to dear whovever that people wake up and see what Obama really represents. I was having trouble getting on here and went to dens of depravity on AOL politcs chat and was repeatedly called racist. I even made the point of if you divide 10 mil by 7 years that they keep talking about Clintons income, they made less a year than Obama has in the past two years on average..I had a woman come back and say, well that means they made 10 mil a year..OMGGGGGG

I know what you mean - I had a few of those chats as well. I don't go there any longer. It's the strangest thing - the way that people are so easily lead. I had to stop for the light by the library (our voting place) earlier today and was approached by a black male. He asked whether I had voted, and I told him that I voted early, and hoped he made the decision to vote for Hillary. (Of course, I knew I was skating on thin ice - he had a BO sign). Anyway, he said that I should have voted for BO because he represented change for everyone and he would lead us out of this mess we're in. I couldn't help myself. I told him that BO wasn't black and his name wasn't Moses, and that if he read about BO's background and what he hasn't done for his constituents in his district, he might change his mind. Being another brainwashed individual, he said that I was wrong and - you guessed it -racist. I told him that if anyone was racist, it was BO and that he should wake up and pay attention. Then I left. It's so idiotic. My black friends, to a fault, all said they voted for Hillary because she ISN'T racist. Well, all I can do is pray, and I am.

[Sandy in PA]

CNN just called NC for Obama with no preceincts reporting, but based on the exit polls.

[Suzan]

Fox just called NC for Obama. I don't know why. I haven't seen any numbers at all, but apparently Obama got 91% of the black vote and a high percentage of the under-45 vote.

That's all I know.

Sh*t

[lakerchick4life]

Of course he was gonna win NC..he won SC..plus the large black vote..93 percent of blacks in NC voted for OBama..isn't that sad that it all came down to race..really no shock at all..more interested in IN

[Suzan]

Is that it????? Based just on exit polls? Wow, I sure hope they're wrong.

[Donald]

I think we need to see the numbers...see how it all plays out.

[Linda C]

CNN just called NC for Obama with no preceincts reporting, but based on the exit polls.

I think they are taking a risk and trying to out beat Fox. Voter turnout is heavy there and exit polls have been unreliable.

[lakerchick4life]

Come on guys..don't be upset..it's NC..of course he was gonna win there

[Wyoming Dem]

Fox has called it for Obama too.

[Sandy in PA]

You know, I will be LMAO if they are wrong after calling it so early.

[lakerchick4life]

93 percent of blacks voted for Obama..WOW I am STUNNED :D

[Donald]

Like I said, lets see the numbers, lets see who voted for whom..

Also, we still need to see how Indiana plays out. There is still an argument for Hillary in NC, if his win is based mostly on the AA vote.. If he is still bleeding white middle class men and women, he still has an issue in the general.

Keep in mind, almost 3 weeks ago he had a 30 point lead...we need to see the final numbers and exit polling can be misleading..There is a rush to call these things...so lets just see...We knew NC was a uphill battle. We have not lost it yet.

[Max565]

I knew he'd win it... but we have to keep it in single digits...

[EngCindy]

I'm a little confused too.

Both CNN & FOX have called N.C. for Obama, but no numbers; just exit polls.

[CGP]

Based on the exit poll, BO wins clearly - due to >90% support from African-American voters who comprised 1/3 of all voters. It's not possible to beat that.

[Soaring Eagle]

THAT WAS A RACE BASED DECISION TO CALL NC AND IT REALLY PISSES ME OF TO NO END! I am done with this. The majority of 91% of black people voting for Obama disgusts me! Tell me that is not racist! Some are not gonna be happy with this post but i am fed up and had to express it! I am completly turned off this whole election to the point of just sitting it out.

[maximuss]

Come on guys..don't be upset..it's NC..of course he was gonna win there

This supports Hillary's argument , Obama can no longer claim he can win without 90%+ of the AA vote . In the GE that is not going to help him win. It did not help John Kerry win

[underpaidnurse]

fox called for NC solely because of the large black turnout. Well, their chickens are about to come home to roost. I'm pissed, and am tired of being called a racist because I didn't buy into the bs that was spewed through forked tongue from Obma and his thugs, and yes, I call them thugs because at the Jefferson/Jackson dinner here, I was shoved, called racist and was treated like crap while I witnessed Obama supporters doing far worse. Fine, they have their candidate, the Dem party has their solid black vote, we will see how that fares in the general election. They are able to vote for who they want, but, dammit, he has done crap for them in south chicago. You tell me how many of them can get with Michelle and her white fur and pearls bitching about struggling to pay 10000 for piano and dance lessons for their children? Universal heathcare? If I wanted to be a bitch I would say, well shit, they already have medicaid. That was wrong, but i'm sooooo freaking pissed off right now, I've worked and gotten written up at work for missing work to volunteer for Clinton. to be usurped because of the area which they voted giving more credence to the rest of the area (delegate count).okay, I'm going to have a drink and calm down.

[Viktoriya]

I think you all who helped Hillary in NC should be proud of your hard work and your support for such historical candidate.
We will what the actual number is, but Hillary certainly holds her ground!

[Viktoriya]

I think you all who helped Hillary in NC should be proud of your hard work and your support for such historical candidate.
We will see what the actual numbers are, but Hillary certainly holds her ground!

[Viktoriya]

I think you all who helped Hillary in NC should be proud of your hard work and your support for such historical candidate.
We will see what the actual numbers are, but Hillary certainly holds her ground!

[Viktoriya]

I think you all who helped Hillary in NC should be proud of your hard work and your support for such historical candidate.
We will see what the actual numbers are, but Hillary certainly holds her ground!

[Viktoriya]

I think you all who helped Hillary in NC should be proud of your hard work and your support for such historical candidate.
We will see what the actual numbers are, but Hillary certainly holds her ground!

[Christines]

Why aren't they posting the percentages in N C?? They are in Indiana!

[msga7]

I think NC is still in play. If Bill Clinton's efforts pay-off in his rural tour, those votes may counter the large turnout of AA for Obama. I have a feeling that these smaller towns may not be considered in exit polling. So I think it really hinges on those communities, and being from NC( born in Concord, live in SC now) I know NC has a lot of rural area's.

Regardless, we do not quit... We keep fighting on.

I agree,

live by faith not by sight...

msga

[Christines]

If he loses the whites in N C! He can't win in the general election!

[Amy Dugan]

i was discouraged when she was expected to be loser in NC by 15-20 LIKE Mississippi, then all of a sudden it gets hyped up she could lose by 6 or tie him. so now a 15-20 loss will finish her. you see nobody talked bad about her mississippi loss, not even mathews because we all knew it. so i wish it was always portrayed as a 15-20 point loss in NC

can't say this was a set-up because clinton staff i know said only a 5-6 point loss possible

[Max565]

Honestly, I'd be happy with a -10% win by Obama... but please not more than 15%........................

Apparently, CNN or another media outlet predicts a double digit win for Bama... :(

[Sandy in PA]

Just remember, NC is not a state that goes Democrat in a general election, its not one of the big states you need to win, like OH, TX, PA, FL, MI & CA.

He was expected to win it, but it actually helps her argument that he only wins states that DO NOT MATTER in the GE.

[underpaidnurse]

fine, he wins. he won't win the general election. I'm taking this personally. I am becoming a typical white woman. I will NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!! my father used to tell me that under thirty were allowed to be frivolous with their votes because they didn't really understand the impact their votes truly could have. Well, I hope they understand that they have screwed us over thirtyfive people when it comes to our lives. Oh wait, they still have idealistic views that they will all be able to pay their mortgages and bills without having to stress. It's so easy when you can still either crawl into bedin their dorm rooms that financial aid is paying for or call mommy and daddy to help tide them over while they look for that 6 figure salary. Their wake up call is coming and I will point my finger and laugh and tell them to learn how to raise a family on pasta, Freezer Queen salsibury steak and peanut butter and jelly..bahhh..I'm done with this crap, nothing I do helps

[deniseds]

I am so sad. I cannot believe it. I thought it would not be called so soon. It seemed like Hillary had really made a dent in North Carolina my home state. I knew that he had alot of early voters and I think this is what happened along with Wake County my county which has 3 very large Universities and the Research Triangle Park. I think I need another beer. Hopefully she will pull it out in Indiana.

[samkm]

Watch this link:

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NC.html

Both "Results by County" and "Margin of Victory"

[Donald]

We all must remember, that we can not get upset about NC. Lets wait and see how it plays out. Terry Mc, from Hillary's campaign says they don't know how it will play out yet because they can't get data. So, lets see what the numbers are. I don't think BO will win a doble digit victory there. I also agree that NC is very RED...Its sad to say, but just like South Carolina, we will not be the decider in the election...

[Artists4Hillary]

Obama won ONLY because of the black vote. 91% . Hill won the white vote way above Obama.

[Donald]

I must be one of the un-educated Hillary supporters. I can not spell DOUBLE..

Still, lets see what happens and keep fighting....This thing is not over. North Carolina only became important when the media decided to make it so.. 3 weeks ago, the Obama camp and the media said that Indiana was the tie breaker, the winner of Indiana would be important..So lets just make it through the spin.

[HRH Jorge]

How can a network call an election with 0% reporting!
and they refuse to call it when 33% reporting and Hillary is leading 57% to 43%? I can't believe it!
I'm pissed
HRH

[shadow]

I will not watch the tv news. I will wait for the real count.

But, if this goes as they are saying, I certainly hope all will join me in backing mccain. Because as far as I am concerned, OB simply has to be stopped. Mccain is the much better person. Please help me get this dangerous man gone, if Hillary is not nominated, by getting behind John Mccain.

I do not want to "be ruled" by this dangerous man, his preacher of hate,his friend Farrakan, and his thugs in the streets.

[underpaidnurse]

We all must remember, that we can not get upset about NC. Lets wait and see how it plays out. Terry Mc, from Hillary's campaign says they don't know how it will play out yet because they can't get data. So, lets see what the numbers are. I don't think BO will win a doble digit victory there. I also agree that NC is very RED...Its sad to say, but just like South Carolina, we will not be the decider in the election...

Its like pounding my head against a wall. Of course NC will never go for a dem, but all the talking heads will be forcing the issue of his win here, and we all know their spin. I'm tired, I'm done, I'm over, screw this, I spent so much time sweating over this NC race and others before, and now they are just talking about how wonderful Obama is wonderful again. Obama will never get my vote. I will leave him like he left south chicago behind. Live with your college recruits and AA, and let me see how well you do when the repubs swift boating comes out against you.

[thebword]

THAT WAS A RACE BASED DECISION TO CALL NC AND IT REALLY PISSES ME OF TO NO END! I am done with this. The majority of 91% of black people voting for Obama disgusts me! Tell me that is not racist! Some are not gonna be happy with this post but i am fed up and had to express it! I am completly turned off this whole election to the point of just sitting it out.

No, we're the racists. We can't even think Wright is a problem without Dean telling us we're race baiting.:mad:

[Christines]

I spoke with many white blue collar workers in N C. They are mainstream America! They don't trust Obama because of Wright, Ayres, "bitter comments" and patriotic suspicion! He can't win in a general election!

[WV4Hillary]

I'm really really sick of black people and their racism.

They really wanna nominate Obama? FINE! I hope they do. They can have him...and he can LOSE the General Election, and McCain will win with MY FREAKIN BLESSING...and then I will LAUGH as all those freaking idiot black people suffer even more under McCain!!!!

[KYWildcatFan]

Sorry but I am not buying this. I want to see the real numbers not guesstimates. They don't even have 2% of the vote in. Even if 1/3 were AA voting for BO that still leaves 2/3 that could go for Hillary. So I am going to wait this out to see the real numbers.

[samkm]

Dont forget that she was majorly the underdog in NC. I am happy to have a single digit margin in NC. I never expected a win, but would have been tremendously happy.. but only expect a single digit gap and consider that a win, because that's what it would be. Dont forget Edwards has not endorsed anyone.. and that is a big deal for these people.. and they are reading it as a sign. We did not have the demographics favoring her and it has been obvious for a long time.

Please note that the 0% so far counted is the early voters. They are typically favoring BO anyway. So, hang in there and hope for narrow gap. That's what we need to hope for if we are REALISTIC with everything we already knew of NC going in. Thanks.

[Amy Dugan]

NC residents most likely gave false answers so Bill Clinton spent more time there. he was going to do more in IN where I was helping until NC looked close. also used up media ad money there too

[Donald]

We only have 4% reporting in NC..We do not know where these votes are coming from yet...So don't let the totals upset you just yet...Rural areas usually come in slower, sometimes...Maybe the early votes are coming from Obama strong holds...

I am not aying we will win, but its too early to say all is lost...The media is loving it, don't buy their crap yet.

[underpaidnurse]

yes, well...it seems that it will be a double digit win from all accounts on here, because of the AA vote. I would have been okay with the idea that it was a close race, but even with a small majority he wins a larger portion of delegates. Tell me between their proportional delegates and caucuses how exactly fair this entire thing was fair. Well F**k this. The Dem party has lost a longtime supporter, sc rew them and their fundraisers. I will keep working for Hillary, but if things don't go for her, I will have to take a very hard look at my priorities and decide to go for an independent or McCain because I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THAT CHARLATAN OBAMA

[mjoynaples]

are you serious? I was so hoping to party tonight yes... what the heck is going on???

[Serena]

seriously, they're only caling it so early due to the exit polls but if you've even looked at his exit poll performance over the election itself, CLEARLY he does better in the polls then the election. but then, look at indiana THEY HAVENT EVEN CALLED IT WHEN SHE HAS A STAGGERING LEAD. it's bias, just horrid bias

[Amy Dugan]

neither IN nor NC will be blue in the fall

[nette60]

The polls are still open in NC! Anybody know whats going on...

[deniseds]

Ok I am very depressed that my state went to Obama. But why hasn't MSNBC the Obama channel called it. Fox did and so did CNN. When I went to the offical N.C. site. Charlotte the largest city in N.C. and Ashville which is also quite large has no data. This is media at its worse. I cannot believe they called it because of exit polls. It just doesn't feel right.

[deniseds]

Ok I am very depressed that my state went to Obama. But why hasn't MSNBC the Obama channel called it. Fox did and so did CNN. When I went to the offical N.C. site. Charlotte the largest city in N.C. and Ashville which is also quite large has no data. This is media at its worse. I cannot believe they called it because of exit polls. It just doesn't feel right.

[Donald]

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/31...

This official site shows North Carolina a lot closer than the media is reporting.

[Donald]

I am not sure the link will work, but its the NC state board of elections.

Their map shows Obama leading in the Raliegh and Charlotte area's. There is still a large amount of counties that have not reported. Hillary is leading in more counties according to their map.

[cowymom]

hillary winnnnnnnnsssss indiana. CBS just called it. that's what brit hume said

[cowymom]

but fox doesn't want to call it now

[Donald]

Here's the link for the North Carolina Secretary of State (http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/) where you can get the election results from a reliable source -- election officials.

Use this for the incoming ballot counts (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3079/en/summary.html).

Light those candles -- it's gonna be a long exciting night!

Use the link in this message.

[mooaks]

I want to wait for the final vote tally. I don't believe that those exit polls have that much truth in them. Hillary was expected to lose North Carolina by a very wide margin and even the MSN stated that if she could narrow it to single digits, it could be a very telling story. It's not over till it's over. Wait, before we figure that all is lost. The super delegates are not completely stupid, they know that Hillary is a far better debater than the masked marvel.

Wait till the rural vote comes in. It just might be surprising. Are republicans allowed to vote in the North Carolina primary??? and then change back in the general? Just curious.:o:o

[mjoynaples]

THANKS FOR POSTING SO I could figure it out!!! LOL thank goodness yeah!!!!


when is she accepting????? and what it the actual deal with NC???? can you tell me what channel???

[LJSNAustin]

underpaidnurse, you have often inspired me with your stories on this forum. I hope you do not give up. You are a very courageous person and I appreciate you. HANG IN THERE!!

[LJSNAustin]

But, if this goes as they are saying, I certainly hope all will join me in backing mccain. Because as far as I am concerned, OB simply has to be stopped.

You can count on me to be with you on that!! 110%!

[Donald]

My question is at looking at the NC official results, why is the media results so differant. I would assume the media would have to get their information from the official source...boggles the mind.

[Serena]

only 2 out of 100 counties reporting on the state board for nc?!?! wth! i'd call that WAY too soon to call

[underpaidnurse]

LJAUSTIN,

thank you for those kind words. I'm just disheartened and pissed. I will always work for Hillary, but there is always a let down when you work so hard for others, for me she will be wonderful, but she is soooo important for so many issues here in NC.

I would like to publicly state that Rachel Maddow should embrace what she is and stop putting on those thick sticky spiders onto her eyelashes ( I know its juvenile, but I'm having to revert to previous stages of development to deal).

[Disfranchised]

Is it true that the voter turnout was low? If that is the truth it speaks very loudly of what the out come will be in November!

[underpaidnurse]

god bless Pat Buchannon LOL..I can't believe I'm saying that. He forever has talked truth to power about how Obama can't win in November and says he can't wait to go against Obama.

[Donald]

Yep, I am gonna wait. The official site only shows 2 of 100 counties voting. More amazing is that 11,000 people voted for Gravel or no preferance..why waste your vote if you go.

[shadow]

Its like pounding my head against a wall. Of course NC will never go for a dem, but all the talking heads will be forcing the issue of his win here, and we all know their spin. I'm tired, I'm done, I'm over, screw this, I spent so much time sweating over this NC race and others before, and now they are just talking about how wonderful Obama is wonderful again. Obama will never get my vote. I will leave him like he left south chicago behind. Live with your college recruits and AA, and let me see how well you do when the repubs swift boating comes out against you.

Please help me, if they nominate this charletan, to get John Mccain elected. I am NOT giving up yet. But, if this "democratic election" has come down to sacrificing our country to a man who used race to get this, well, we certainly can end this in nov. I prefer a democrat who gives a damn about this country, not her own power seeking, Hillary, but I will fight hard to end this man's ambition to destroy our country. Please help me.

In four years, Hillary will be able to run again. But getting this dangerous man out has to take prirority over this man sacrificing this country to people who are intent on destroying it.

[VotingHillary]

yes, well...it seems that it will be a double digit win from all accounts on here, because of the AA vote. I would have been okay with the idea that it was a close race, but even with a small majority he wins a larger portion of delegates. Tell me between their proportional delegates and caucuses how exactly fair this entire thing was fair. Well F**k this. The Dem party has lost a longtime supporter, sc rew them and their fundraisers. I will keep working for Hillary, but if things don't go for her, I will have to take a very hard look at my priorities and decide to go for an independent or McCain because I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THAT CHARLATAN OBAMA

Nurse,

I am going to change my party affiliation if Obama gets the nomination too, but I urge you to please vote McCain..we can better afford McCain than we can Obama. Here is why...the Dems will probably pick up in the House and Senate. By having McCain as president, it will create a checks and balance in the system. If Obama wins, with a Dem House and Senate....God help us all.

[Ijane]

Everyone....STOP!!

Do you all remember how scary the idea of Indiana primary was a few weeks ago?

The goal was to win Indiana only. Hillary won Indiana and she's winning by 8% with a little more then half the vote in.

Don't get down!!!

[ginamc]

No, we're the racists. We can't even think Wright is a problem without Dean telling us we're race baiting.:mad:

The Clinton's must be dismayed by all this. How ironic that two people who made there life's work out of helping others of all colors and fought for civil rights, now have those same people turn their backs on them. So much for the "1st Black President".

I agree 100%. First of all, the folks that I spoke to in my phone calls were all gung-ho for Hillary in NC. I don't get it. Today, I did talk several people into getting to the polls, and 1 needed transportation. I was glad that I called, because some people voted that ordinarily wouldn't have.

Secondly, I wrote several responses on the Chicago Tribune as per Rapid Responders. The Blacks that were responding are really feeling emboldened by the threat of we are walking out if BO isn't the nominee -- SHE can't steal the election from the first Black President. It is truly getting scary. No joke. I chimed in as a Latina, saying that Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, women and all minorities overwhelmingly support/vote for Hillary. We haven't threatened walking out yet -- but, it will probably come to that, if necessary. If Blacks and youth want to continue their threats, and along with the DNC and the MSM -- ram him down our throats. They will lose to McCain. Then, what are they going to do? He can't win on Blacks and the youth alone.

The response -- we expect Hillary to drop out ASAP like a true statesman and for her to work her heart out for Obama. Can you believe that sh*t? They are serious too. Their contention is that if Hillary does not work 1000% for BO, and he loses the GE, it will be HER fault! Amazing and true. There are Hillary supporters that feel exactly like we do -- they are not going to vote for him or they will vote McCain.

Who's going to have the big laugh with all of this? Republicans and Big Media.

[Donald]

I agree with Ijane...we need to stop worrying about NC.

I am a bit angry at our political experts, who just yesterday said that NC would not be that crucial if Hillary lost. It would have been a great boost if she won, but the expectation had always been that NC would go to Obama.

So, the media tonight has latched on to this NC thing, and even FOX is getting on my nerves. I guess they think we are stupid.. The media keeps changing the game, not Hillary..

We have to fight on. The result in NC will shed a lot of light on electability I believe.

So lets put NC behind us, lets hope it gets closer, which I think it will. Indiana was the goal..We need to focus on getting that message out.

Great Victory for Team Hillary tonight.

[Sandy in PA]

Look--NC will not go Democrat in a general election. George Bush won there last election.

This just supports Hillary's arguments that he only wins the states that the Dems don't carry in the GE, and he's not winning the big ones that he needs to to win the GE.

[ginamc]

Just remember, NC is not a state that goes Democrat in a general election, its not one of the big states you need to win, like OH, TX, PA, FL, MI & CA.

He was expected to win it, but it actually helps her argument that he only wins states that DO NOT MATTER in the GE.

Great point! I just got a call from Austin, and we are really hoping to take back Texas and turn it back to blue -- with Hillary, of course. I will not despair.

Here is how Hillary will put them all away -- FL and MI -- that is THE KEY, and they know it.

[msga7]

I am not giving up on Regional NC

Have looked on the map and Clinton Has won huge numbers in the regional areas...for instance....

Ashe Clinton 75% Obama 22 %

Avery Clinton 66 % Obama 33 %

And it is like that in most regional places Clinton is winning and not all regional areas have even been counted yet. There are over 5 million registered voters there, and not even 1 million have been counted yet.

I am not giving up as yet, and neither should any of you.

And that link was great, thanku for posting it

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3388/en/summary.html

please have a look at the reality...here is the map of NC and start doing some clicking...

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NC.html

And please take ur eyes off the other prejudiced news programs....

I live by faith, so does Hillary and I am not giving up on Her in regional NC or regional NC.

msga

[daniperez]

I agree with Ijane...we need to stop worrying about NC.

I am a bit angry at our political experts, who just yesterday said that NC would not be that crucial if Hillary lost. It would have been a great boost if she won, but the expectation had always been that NC would go to Obama.

So, the media tonight has latched on to this NC thing, and even FOX is getting on my nerves. I guess they think we are stupid.. The media keeps changing the game, not Hillary..

We have to fight on. The result in NC will shed a lot of light on electability I believe.

So lets put NC behind us, lets hope it gets closer, which I think it will. Indiana was the goal..We need to focus on getting that message out.

Great Victory for Team Hillary tonight.

Donald- well said!

I do hope that we can pull closer in NC and getting FL & MI 'resolved' ASAP continues to be the key factor for Hillary winning this nomination.

[ginamc]

OK, PLEASE turn off your T.V.s, or mute them, or change the channel to C-span in about 5 minutes. BO is on right now, but Hillary will be next! Concentrate on that! Stay positive.

[Mrsawd]

I don't believe that they are reporting truths as they are they are reporting what they want them to be ! I can't not believe that many dumb asses out there !

[underpaidnurse]

As a NC I find no solace in the statement we need to stop worrying about NC, especially with the speech B arak is giving. The media will latch on to that quote and run with it. Let his supporters as he says congrats to Hill supporters in IN booooo, as he says his supporters in NC were better for giving him a victory here in a swing state where he can win. You are sorely mistaken sir. I have yet to see all the polls besides wake and meckelnburg. you carpetbagger, you have not yet heard all of our votes, except for the ones that populate the cities and run up the free services of Wakemed emergency room, rex emergency room, the firedepartment, the police department, the EMS. it may seem free but it isn't, it truly could be healthwise with universal healthcare, no one sees this.

All of a sudden tonight Barak is talking about how our bruised feelings will come back to support him...once again, Think again. NEVER, call me a racist as I tend to one and all that come to me in a state of helplessness and need and I tend to you regardless of age,ethnicity,economic background. You do my job and any of the other public servants and then call us racists.

[Donald]

THANKS DANIPEREZ, Guys, keep checking the official results and ignore the TV....

All I can say, is that I will be one of those voters that will never cast a vote for Obama. My plan was to really dedicate myself to this election, and I have for Hillary. But I deep in my heart can not vote for someone who I feel is unqualified, not matter how bad I want some change in DC. So if Obama gets the nomination, I will sadly sit out my first election in 20 plus years.

Guess I would be called names, but oh well. I vote my mind and heart, not a party.

[Bacio83]

Vote by Party and Race

Clinton 40%

Obama 53%

7% unknown.


White Democrats (41%) 61%- 26% 35%-15%
White Independents (16%) 55% -9% 38%- 7%
Black Democrats (31%) 5%-2% 93%-29%
Black Independents (2%) N/A N/A
Latino Democrats (1%) N/A N/A
Latino Independents (0%) N/A N/A
All Republicans (5%) 59%-3% 32%-2%
All Other Party (2%) N/A N/A


Another geeky tabulation this is what I got....

[Donald]

As a NC I find no solace in the statement we need to stop worrying about NC, especially with the speech B arak is giving. The media will latch on to that quote and run with it. Let his supporters as he says congrats to Hill supporters in IN booooo, as he says his supporters in NC were better for giving him a victory here in a swing state where he can win. You are sorely mistaken sir. I have yet to see all the polls besides wake and meckelnburg. you carpetbagger, you have not yet heard all of our votes, except for the ones that populate the cities and run up the free services of Wakemed emergency room, rex emergency room, the firedepartment, the police department, the EMS. it may seem free but it isn't, it truly could be healthwise with universal healthcare, no one sees this.

All of a sudden tonight Barak is talking about how our bruised feelings will come back to support him...once again, Think again. NEVER, call me a racist as I tend to one and all that come to me in a state of helplessness and need and I tend to you regardless of age,ethnicity,economic background. You do my job and any of the other public servants and then call us racists.

Hi, I didn't mean that we should not worry about NC because NC is not important..Sorry if I made it sound that way..I think we should all just wait to see the final results. I agree, I don't think we have heard all the voices in NC yet...But we also need to keep up the fight after NC and not let the media spin this as a great victory for Obama. I am in Columbia, SC. The night we lost, I had been working weeks for Hillary, had worked all day at the polls. I was crushed. So It does become personal. We are a team, and we will fight till the end..until Hillary is in the White House.

[msga7]

Don't give up on regional NC

here r the results of another county

Graham County

Clinton 84 %

Obama 12 %

Now I like those numbers better...

I love Faith...

Hillary is winning regional NC

msga

[floorrunner]

The statewide gap has been narrowed to 57 41

[thebword]

SHUT UP! Does this guy ever know when to shut up. What a pompous a**. Condescending elitist bore. Preaching to us about truth? How about some truth about Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Michelle's views, bittergate, Canadian NFATA issue, Kenyan cousin, Sinclair, just to mention a few.

[msga7]

Woah ho yes the gap narrows again....

Come on Regional NC for Hillary

msga7

[Max565]

I don't think this was the wonderful night I was expected... she should have won bigger in IN and kept the loss in NC to single digits...

the media will be raving about Obama's performance now... :(

[underpaidnurse]

We all must remember, that we can not get upset about NC. Lets wait and see how it plays out. Terry Mc, from Hillary's campaign says they don't know how it will play out yet because they can't get data. So, lets see what the numbers are. I don't think BO will win a doble digit victory there. I also agree that NC is very RED...Its sad to say, but just like South Carolina, we will not be the decider in the election...

Hi, I didn't mean that we should not worry about NC because NC is not important..Sorry if I made it sound that way..I think we should all just wait to see the final results. I agree, I don't think we have heard all the voices in NC yet...But we also need to keep up the fight after NC and not let the media spin this as a great victory for Obama. I am in Columbia, SC. The night we lost, I had been working weeks for Hillary, had worked all day at the polls. I was crushed. So It does become personal. We are a team, and we will fight till the end..until Hillary is in the White House.

Donald, I'm sorry if I came off harsh with you. I am just so tired of all of this. I come from a place where growing up in , yes that elitist area of SF, not seeing color but character, and being thrust into an area where it is easy to peg people. It is true, we (and I speak generally) service members police, fire, EMS, nurses, Doctors spend our nights/days doing all we can for anyone from any place or race. When we see someone needy we don't ask for party affiliation, ablitiy to pay, religion. It is just disheartening that we who support the idea of universal healthcare because we deal with healthcare on a day to day basis are called racist. I hear often enough that those who need univeral healthcare already have medicaid, well dagnabbit, I'm not one of those and I have to sacrifice so I don't suffer from pre-existing conditions for surgery.

So, if I came across as harsh towards you personally, Donald, my apologies. I am mad at the public in NC that can't look beyond anything but that he is the first black candidate so either we vote for him because he's the same color or we vote for him because that is the politically correct view. I am a firm believer that if Hillary is not the nominee and Ob ama wins, we will not fare well. I will be working hard for 2012

[floorrunner]

Donald, I'm sorry if I came off harsh with you. I am just so tired of all of this. I come from a place where growing up in , yes that elitist area of SF, not seeing color but character, and being thrust into an area where it is easy to peg people. It is true, we (and I speak generally) service members police, fire, EMS, nurses, Doctors spend our nights/days doing all we can for anyone from any place or race. When we see someone needy we don't ask for party affiliation, ablitiy to pay, religion. It is just disheartening that we who support the idea of universal healthcare because we deal with healthcare on a day to day basis are called racist. I hear often enough that those who need univeral healthcare already have medicaid, well dagnabbit, I'm not one of those and I have to sacrifice so I don't suffer from pre-existing conditions for surgery.

So, if I came across as harsh towards you personally, Donald, my apologies. I am mad at the public in NC that can't look beyond anything but that he is the first black candidate so either we vote for him because he's the same color or we vote for him because that is the politically correct view. I am a firm believer that if Hillary is not the nominee and Ob ama wins, we will not fare well. I will be working hard for 2012


I am with you all the way underpaid nurse. My brother works in a Nursing home and he tells me horror stories about what happens when people don't have insurance because they can't afford it. He said the only way to fix the bad perception that nursing homes has is to have the universal health care.

[Donald]

Donald, I'm sorry if I came off harsh with you. I am just so tired of all of this. I come from a place where growing up in , yes that elitist area of SF, not seeing color but character, and being thrust into an area where it is easy to peg people. It is true, we (and I speak generally) service members police, fire, EMS, nurses, Doctors spend our nights/days doing all we can for anyone from any place or race. When we see someone needy we don't ask for party affiliation, ablitiy to pay, religion. It is just disheartening that we who support the idea of universal healthcare because we deal with healthcare on a day to day basis are called racist. I hear often enough that those who need univeral healthcare already have medicaid, well dagnabbit, I'm not one of those and I have to sacrifice so I don't suffer from pre-existing conditions for surgery.

So, if I came across as harsh towards you personally, Donald, my apologies. I am mad at the public in NC that can't look beyond anything but that he is the first black candidate so either we vote for him because he's the same color or we vote for him because that is the politically correct view. I am a firm believer that if Hillary is not the nominee and Ob ama wins, we will not fare well. I will be working hard for 2012

I didnt take it personal..I think we are all a little aggrivated tonight..The media is not helping by holding out on Indiana and now spinning Hillary's win there as not important and Obama's win in NC is important. They are all hypocrites. These experts( and I use that loosely) keep changing their opinions as quick as the wind changes..They will look for anything to knock Hillary down.. I don't know how Hillary does it...if it drives us crazy, imagine how she feels right now.

[underpaidnurse]

I am with you all the way underpaid nurse. My brother works in a Nursing home and he tells me horror stories about what happens when people don't have insurance because they can't afford it. He said the only way to fix the bad perception that nursing homes has is to have the universal health care.


As a nurse that has worked in a nursing home that finally had to leave because I feared for my nursing license, I agree with your brother. In most societies the aged are looked at as wise treasures, something to cherish. We don't live in that world, and when they stop being able to speak for themselves they are swept under the rug.

Obama's health care plan takes care of our kids to some extent but holds nothing in it for anything that plays into seniors plans. For SHAME!! I thought it was one of the tenets of a democrat to want to work for that. We nurses watch so many people float into our wards because of no preventative care that could have nipped problems in the nub. But our country is no closer to solving that with Obama winning in NC.

I am ashamed of NC. Then again, I was ashamed that they kept electing Jesse Helms, so I don't know why I should b e so surprised. NC deserves what it gets, and since they alreadyt have a shortage of primary care doctors and OBGYNS because of mediare etc....keep eating what you vote for, I can't feed you any type of bs that you aren't already slopping.

[mooaks]

What's the matter with you people, If I want to check on the number for North Carolina, I have to go to the Hillaryclinton.com forum. The last I checked the lead was narrowing in North Carolina to 13 points and quite a few counties not in yet. All I'm getting on this North Carolina results forum is whoa is me. I think I'll get back to the other site, at least they give some numbers. Here's the official North Carolina election board results so far. http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3810/en/summary.html

[Donald]

The NC official site does show the race narrowing in NC, still only 58 counties reporting out of 100.. if you round up its 43 to 55.

[msga7]

Hillary is winning more counties at present.

And where is people's faith?

We win His good fight by faith and Hillary's and this race is definitely the good race of faith as well as the good fight of faith...

We win by faith...

msga

[underpaidnurse]

you'll have to excuse some of us that have been here for a while. this is the one place we can come to vent and renourish ourselves. So nothing is the "matter with you people". We are dealing with what all Hillary supporters are going through. allow us our moment to purge.

[movingtous]

Obama won ONLY because of the black vote. 91% . Hill won the white vote way above Obama.

Apart from that, this race is not about race. Just a little reminder: Saddam Hussein got 100% of his country's votes. Obama Hussein is getting there with his AA votes! Disgusting.:mad:

[msga7]

Hillary is winning by seven counties...

This reminds me of Super Tuesday only reversed in this one state. What an exciting race this is.

U can purge....but I will have faith...

When there is over 4 million votes counted then it is time to see where this race is...but there is not even 2 million votes counted yet.

msga

[Suzan]

She's going to pull closer to him in NC. I'm certain of it. I called there several days in a row and I could feel things turning. It's just a shame that the early results came out so strongly in favor of him

She's speaking In Indiana right now, and she's so inspiring. She doesn't sound defeated at all. How does she do it? Well, I can tell you. I'm not quitting until she does, and I hope that's never.

I understand the frustration totally. I feel it too, deeply, and yes, it's fine to vent. It's healthy, but tomorrow, or as soon as we can we need to go back to work--for her. That's what she's going to do. She's working for us. She just said she'll never give up on us. We can't give up on her!

[samkm]

She is awesome.

Moaks, thanks for sharing this source.
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3810/en/summary.html
The voter distribution is quite interesting.

[samkm]

Moaks, thanks for sharing this source.
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3810/en/summary.html
The voter distribution is quite interesting.

Suzan, thanks for sharing that. I am off tv you know.. Really helps me keep my sanity. Hillary is always awesome. She has a lot of insight into these states before the numbers come out; so I dont think she is majorly surprised; the biggest surprise factor is the voter turnout. YES. We MUST stay strong and continue to fight. She is in this contest TO WIN and SHE WILL WITH OUR HELP. BOYCOTTING CERTAIN BIASED MEDIA is one of my ways to not letting my mind be corrupted. I just got tired of CNN and MSNBC.. In fact, thinking of cancelling them altogether with a message!

[samkm]

To understand NC results, we need to compare it with SC, VA and MD results. She has majorly come from behind.. SC was when she had 26.5%.

Jan 19 -- SC: http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/SC.html (55.4%BO; 26.5%HRC; Edwards...)

Feb 12 -- VA: http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/VA.html (63.7%BO; 35.5% HRC)
Feb 12 -- MD: http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/MD.html (60.7% BO; 35.8% HRC)

and today:

May 7 --- NC: http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NC.html (56.2% BO; 41.5% HRC)

= what does this mean?

BO has lost all the momentum he gained from SC to MD+VA days... and HRC has steadily gained and now a sizable margin once again.

[Bad Kitty]

As far as I'm concerned I don't trust the vote totals from tonite from either state. There has been way too much funny business going on. It looks like IN got caught red handed but I don't think NC is far behind.

[msga7]

I am going to share in Hillary's Victory tonight, this was not as a victory for Obama as was thought. Sure he might have one more votes, but what is not being reaised, she won more counties in NC. By 8 I believe.

She didn't lose by twenty something only 15 points....Two weeks ago, she was losing by heaps more.

I am going to share in Hillary's Victory in this because she did make a statement in NC and people saw him and started to see him. This race is not over. What can be seen in all this is the prejudice, corruption and bias and a campaign without substance. Hillary is still in it and is not out at all. And Obama is worried. And people can see how much different people including the media wavers and changes and people see what there media is really like.

More to come out on Obama

msga

[Musicdude]

Question:

Considering the percentage of AA voters, does Obama's 56% mean that just over half of it was AA?
Just curious.

[Alessandro Machi]

What's the matter with you people, If I want to check on the number for North Carolina, I have to go to the Hillaryclinton.com forum. The last I checked the lead was narrowing in North Carolina to 13 points and quite a few counties not in yet. All I'm getting on this North Carolina results forum is whoa is me. I think I'll get back to the other site, at least they give some numbers. Here's the official North Carolina election board results so far. http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/3810/en/summary.html

Thanks for the link. Is it normal that 99% of the ballots cast also have a vote for president? I didn't think it would be that high. I figured around 90-95% of the votes would also have a vote cast for president.

Sometimes people vote just to vote for their own local offices or they don't vote at all as a protest vote. I find it odd that 99% of all voters actually also voted for a presidential candidate.

But more importantly, apparently the final margin of victory may dip a bit after the May 22 official recount.

[Jayling]

But more importantly, apparently the final margin of victory may dip a bit after the May 22 official recount.
I doubt that Alessandro. I've been closely following the North Carolina results every day, refreshing the page approximately a dozen times throughout each day.

And I have to say this -- I've never seen a state change their numbers as often as I have with North Carolina. Every couple hours and bingo, more votes are found from somewhere for Obama. His lead continues to grow...and grow...and grow every few hours each day. It's crazy.

The Absentee/One Stop percentages in the 55 Clinton counties are overwhelming slanted an odd way -- towards Obama. Generally, in counties a candidate wins, there's not such a disparity, a few up for the loser, but nothing like the massive amounts like this.

Out of those 55 Clinton counties, those Absentee/One Stop votes overwhelmingly favored Obama in 40 of the Clinton counties. And the numbers are astounding. Clinton wins some counties by 40% over him, and yet his Absentee/One Stop votes are 10% more than hers. And some counties she won by 54% over him, and yet he still had more Absentee/OS than her by 6-7-10% more. It is just mind-boggling.

I'd like to see the U.N. come in and audit each state's elections. This has gone beyond ridiculous.

J.

[CriticalOne]

This same thing happened in PA, which has slowly crepts away from a 10 point victory for Hillary to something like 8, now. Same thing happened in California, I think.

[Jayling]

This same thing happened in PA, which has slowly crepts away from a 10 point victory for Hillary to something like 8, now. Same thing happened in California, I think.
PA and Ohio didn't seem to be as bad as this. The number changes and strange percentages in areas that aren't likely for a loser of a county, in so many of them, is what astounds. Those Absentee/One Stop votes in NC are very suspect, at least in my eyes.

[CGP]

I doubt that Alessandro. I've been closely following the North Carolina results every day, refreshing the page approximately a dozen times throughout each day.

And I have to say this -- I've never seen a state change their numbers as often as I have with North Carolina. Every couple hours and bingo, more votes are found from somewhere for Obama. His lead continues to grow...and grow...and grow every few hours each day. It's crazy.

The Absentee/One Stop percentages in the 55 Clinton counties are overwhelming slanted an odd way -- towards Obama. Generally, in counties a candidate wins, there's not such a disparity, a few up for the loser, but nothing like the massive amounts like this.

Out of those 55 Clinton counties, those Absentee/One Stop votes overwhelmingly favored Obama in 40 of the Clinton counties. And the numbers are astounding. Clinton wins some counties by 40% over him, and yet his Absentee/One Stop votes are 10% more than hers. And some counties she won by 54% over him, and yet he still had more Absentee/OS than her by 6-7-10% more. It is just mind-boggling.

I'd like to see the U.N. come in and audit each state's elections. This has gone beyond ridiculous.

J.

I wonder if the truth will ever be established...The trend you note is very disturbing...

[Amy Dugan]

i would hope clinton's lawyers are on this like the caucus delegate stealing in TX

[takakupo]

I'm not understanding what's going on here.
I see the final tally on CNN in North Carolina to be 14%

Where is all of this hub-bub about Obama getting 16% of the vote?
And what about all of this extra absentee nonsense. Where is this information coming from?

[Jayling]

I'm not understanding what's going on here.
I see the final tally on CNN in North Carolina to be 14%

Where is all of this hub-bub about Obama getting 16% of the vote?
And what about all of this extra absentee nonsense. Where is this information coming from?
Takakupo, please don't rely on any of the news media for the numbers and totals. Many are not accurate, most don't have the latest updates as earlier contests are still having ballots counted, and they're just plain untrustworthy.

The best source of Popular Votes and Delegate Allocation is GreenPapers.com (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/tally.phtml). This is the only independent place where you'll find source links for everything -- and the sole place which shows the math.

My Election Results Summary (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html) page may be useful for you also. All the sources are linked to for everything, even each individual Secretary of State office.

Here's my Online Spreadsheet Version (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGgo_56FfGJj4p28B1nYqXw&gid=1) over at googledocs also. It's pretty indepth though. Good thing I deleted the majority of sheets for the online version or else it'd be massive!

But to answer your question of where the North Carolina information is coming -- it's from the elections division of the NC Secretary of State office. Here's a link to the Summary Page (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/4222/en/md.html?cid=100). If you click on the tab that says Reports, you'll be able to download the County detail level in .xls (spreadhsheet) or .txt version.

The NC totals are Unofficial right now. There's a Vote Canvas scheduled for next Thursday, May 22nd.

And the current votes are 42% Clinton and 56% Obama -- a 14% difference.