Wyoming Caucus Results!

[debbrad]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=WY


This is a CNN site with map.:)

[debbrad]

voters are being dis........

"I'm so proud to see there are this many Democrats showing up in Cheyenne, but I'm very disappointed in the rules because we had difficulty parking and we had a long walk and they closed it off at 9 (a.m. MST)," she said. "I consider it — we're disenfranchised, which they've done in other parts of the country."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_on_el_pr/wyoming_caucuses

[xyndau]

I found this link where the NY Times is reporting the Wyoming Caucus results. It's early voting yet, less than 1000 votes, but Hillary's behind, but hopefully will pull ahead as the larger areas start reporting. Make sure to scroll down the page for the county maps and it will show what counties have voted, % reported, etc.
Here the link (http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/WY.html)

[CGP]

Merging into one "results" thread for Wyoming.

[xyndau]

What a shame of the story of that elderly woman who had trouble parking and then went to caucus and was turned away because she was not in line on time. What kind of way is this for Americans to vote for a presidential nominee? It's frustrating to see this happening, regardless if the person turned away was a Hillary supporter or Obama supporter.

[druidmary]

Please go to my site

http://www.hillaryisourchoice.com/

and follow it to the feedback page. There make your case to Howard Dean why caucuses don't work. I already posted the article of that old lady.
also read the article I wrote after calling texas all day.

http://www.hillaryisourchoice.com/caucus.htm

[samkm]

first of all, here are some facts on WY counties' locations and time.
Uinta county had a change of location AND a change of time (from 4pm to 9am). Barack has closed out with big margin there.
Fremont county had a change of location AND change of time (from 10am to 9am) and their results have not come yet.
Sweetwater county had a change of location
Converse county had a change of location.
NOTE: The changed locations got posted on Democratic party site, but phonecalling had been well under way already with communication of specific location and time.. So, I am sure a lot of people in Uinta will turn out in the wrong place,at 4pm.
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As callers, (if the callee stayed long enough) I warned them to get there at least 1/2 hr early as the parking would be tough and the doors would shut at the "start time". I gave them the example of Texas.
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Most Texans who are not "activists" and are normal voters did not know of caucus. After educating them on caucus, I had to get many of them who are laborers to either give up their hourly income-earning little jobs (especially hispanics) and go to the caucus and express their support [all in faulty spanish with my own translation derived with the help of some spanish speaking friends and some e-translators]... to find that many of them tried to make as much money as possible and then get there... and although they got there, they could not park and get inside.. they were in the queue, but the queues were long and the room capacity filled.. so a LOT of people were left outside when the doors closed.

Caucuses are not about votes. They are about activists. Therefore only those who will fight their way into the room and then, fight there like zealots seem to make it through. This is very sad...

I firmly believe in democracy and yes, democracy is about the voice of the informed. At one day and time, there was even a NEED for caucus, but there is no such need anymore. The need existed when information did not travel much, and the need to discuss the candidates was grave. These days, information travels (well, although not everything, a lot does) faster than ever before. On the flip side, in the olden days, people had a LOT of time to get there and socialize and sit around and shuffle around the rooms... and today, that is no longer the case. So, the convenience of a window of time when people can come in at their pace and vote JUST AS THEY DO IN THE PRIMARY is the better way.

I am still hopeful on Albany county, Campbell, Carbon, Laramie, Natrona, Sheridan, and even Sweetwater. We shall see. The day is long.. there are caucuses at 2pm MST, 4pm MST. Many caucus-goers who are supporters have been quite energized and are taking many people along with them.:)

So, folks, take heart.. Hang in there!

Apart from expressing our voice to change the system on caucus (for future), we can work towards influencing the process for the current.. as you know if Hillary does not get elected, caucuses will continue.. [Sure seems to be an easy way to bamboozzle for the fluffy talkie-talkie kinda people, ya-know!]

[xyndau]

Sudhakm said: I am still hopeful on Albany county, Campbell, Carbon, Laramie, Natrona, Sheridan, and even Sweetwater. We shall see. The day is long..
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Hillary lost Albany by 600 votes :mad:

Someone should go to a Judge for the Unita switch - Obama won that county also.

this is all so wrong. Are you there in Wyoming Sudhakm? Any way someone could get a judge to reopen Unita County's caucus? Seems just flat out wrong to change times, locations and then close people out who did not know of the changes.

[xyndau]

Do we have any hope in Laramie county? Anyway we can energize people who have yet to caucus by telling them stories of those who were were unable to caucus because of changed locations/times or parking problems and long lines?

[swannyj]

to know if the chairperson for the caucuses that were switched were BO or HRC supporters. I'm sure it will be argued all were given the same notice of the change but BO is still likely to benefit from such a change as BO's supporters tend to arrive as groups.

Burned in Texas

[CGP]

Let's put Obama's "win" here in perspective!

This state has been Republican since 1968!

WYOMING - GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS HISTORY (http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/compare.php?year=2004&fips=56&f=0&off=0&elect=0&type=state)

And Mitt Romney has won the Republican caucus and he's not even in the race anymore!

So...the result is irrelevant in terms of importance to the General Election

[swannyj]

In Texas the HRC campaign did have a legal team on the ground. Also each precinct captain was given a # to call to report problems. Surely, the same is true in Wy.

[xyndau]

swannyj, according to a quote from an ABC new article, linked below, "On the endorsement front, popular Democratic Governor Dave Freudenthal has remained neutral in the race. The state Democratic Party chair endorsed Obama months ago." What a crock.
Here the link (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105455&page=1)

[navyvet48]

Obama has this misguided notion that he can win states like Kansas and Wyoming....Kansas hasn't voted Democrat since 1964. You are correct when you say Wyoming has nothing to do with the GE, the same can be said for Kansas and other redstates.

If Obama is thenominee the core of the Democratic party may not vote at all. I can even see the real possibility that the Latinos could stay home. We really need Hillary to win to get the core Dems out and other cultural groups to vote their will.

[samkm]

Albany county and Laramie county may have had some confusion.

Albany county's caucus location's name is "LARAMIE Plains Civic Center"

Laramie county's caucus location's name is "CHEYENNE civic center"

Note: There is no such thing as Cheyenne county. It is only a location in Laramie county.

I recall that I had to clarify the specific location a couple of times on this one, as people were headed to the wrong place. Laramie county's folks may have gone to Laramie Plains Civic center by mistake.. if they didnt look it up closely enough...

[samkm]

Anyone you hear from who has specific irregularities that they experienced, make sure that they Report Irregularities to HillaryClinton.com.

Excelsior! Let's move UPWARDS & ONWARDS!

Keep your chin up... Let's focus on Mississippi, Pennsylvania.

If you can, DONATE. [I am no longer able to donate as I am maxed out]

Callers, PLEASE LET'S GET TO WORK!! WE KNOW WE CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY... WE CAN AND WE WILL DO THIS!!

[CGP]

With 78% reporting:

Obama: 59%
Clinton: 40%

ROLL ON APRIL 22nd!

[Carla]

Caucuses are not about votes. They are about activists. Therefore only those who will fight their way into the room and then, fight there like zealots seem to make it through. This is very sad...

I firmly believe in democracy and yes, democracy is about the voice of the informed. At one day and time, there was even a NEED for caucus, but there is no such need anymore. The need existed when information did not travel much, and the need to discuss the candidates was grave. These days, information travels (well, although not everything, a lot does) faster than ever before. On the flip side, in the olden days, people had a LOT of time to get there and socialize and sit around and shuffle around the rooms... and today, that is no longer the case. So, the convenience of a window of time when people can come in at their pace and vote JUST AS THEY DO IN THE PRIMARY is the better way.


Thank you for saying this so well. I have been feeling this way but haven't been able to put into words. I would like be more informed about this and join you in your getting this infromation out. Are we organized on this issue?

I'm going to start making calls to Mississippi now.

Here are the newspapers link for people who can't deal with calling:

Please write letters. http://www.usnpl.com/msnews.php

[ProHiLL]

With 78% reporting:

Obama: 59%
Clinton: 40%

ROLL ON APRIL 22nd!

59/40 is quite nice considering how bad we have done in past caucuses. In fact I will look at it as a win. Very encouraging. My hope for a Hillary nomination is still holding strong! Onward to Mississippi. I concede nothing!:D

[Carla]

With 78% reporting:

Obama: 59%
Clinton: 40%

ROLL ON APRIL 22nd!


Considering all the effort, money, momentum, pressure, media love fest and dirty tactics done by Obama, these results aren't too bad. Remember when we hadn't caught on yet to Obama's ways and got crushed by way more?


These results show that Hillary's supporters among youth are growing fast, and that older people like myself are now keen to the ways of the Obama using the youth too get him elected. I feel bad for the older people who could not get out to the caucus, and for the woman I spoke to yesterday who couldn't go b/c she had to work.

[Bacio83]

With 87% reported she's gained some 41 to 58.

Hey 2% gained is still 2% better than before... *sigh* I really hate caucuses.

[ProHiLL]

50/49 is quite nice considering how bad we have done in past caucuses. In fact I will look at it as a win. Very encouraging. My hope for a Hillary nomination is still holding strong! Onward to Mississippi. I concede nothing!:D
I must have dyslexia.. or maybe just wishful thinking. I wanted it to be 50/49 not 59/40 alas I now see my error. But my statement still stands.:o

[samkm]

quotable quotes from Wyoming and Texas calls..

Texas male: "I'm for Osama"
Yeh, well, that figures.

Wyoming male: "I'm firmly for ... what's his name.. Orack Barrrama" :D:D
Oh, really? And that is a candidate?

Wyoming male: "Which nationality are you?" <US, orig from India> "EH" <click>

Well, I can tell you, I am a naturalized citizen who has worked on projects of national security... and then some.

Texan male: "I'm a republican and I think women should walk barefoot and pregnant."
I usually hold my tongue because you know, you cant let them get the better of you.. but sister (!) this one I could not resist responding on because now it was a personal insult.. so, here I started "well, you are talking with a female, and I'm neither barefoot nor pregnant.. <click, he had heard it before, and I'm still talking after the click> Are we in 2008 US? Or 1950's China?"

I swear! So much for Democracy! We have a Looooo...ng way to go in educating.

Ok.. that felt real good to share:). Just had to share some of the fun.

Given that level of knowledge.. We did PHENOMENALLY GREAT IN TX AND QUITE GOOD IN WY.

Let's be good scouts... I'm going to let it shine.. let it shine.. all the time, let it shine.. Let's spread some light... let's shed some light on Hillary.. on how genuinely CARING, CONSIDERATE and WONDERFUL PERSON she is www.thehillaryiknow.com and how brilliant, comprehensive and realistic, ready-now the solutions are in www.hillaryclinton.com/issues

[Kathy in NH]

For the record, I copied these from the main hillary site blog, a tip of the iceberg, when combined with the other posts on this thread. This is frustrating... I did calls to Gillette and it angers me to think that perhaps some of the people I called and were going to support Hillary weren't even able to get in.

Wyoming Caucus- Gillette

We were turned away from our caucus. They said the paper got the information wrong & we should have been there by 9:45 in order to show our support for Hillary.

by ednem96 at 3/8/2008 3:39:50 PM

Am calling WY but they said the lines are too long!!!! And they leave!

Hey everyone!! We have to do something about those long lines!! They get impatient and leave! I also spoke to 3 seniors who support Hillary but could not get out !!! Please WY HQ can you do something? I put comments on my call report and gave their phone number. Please help them get out?? Will still continue making calls!

by langers at 3/8/2008 11:47:57 AM

States Decide

I was at the VA Campaign office this morning and we called tons of Wyoming voters....every county has a different time and some voters have to drive really far to get to their location. A few Hillary supporters got to the caucus late and were not allowed in.....I spoke to one woman who was too intimidated to go...bottom line, its a process that favors the young and agressive people.
by VirginiaMom4Hill at 3/8/2008 2:24:02 PM

[JJ4Hillary]

So what will be the delegate share?:confused:

[Jayling]

Here's the final breakdown of the Wyoming Caucus:

Total Votes:
Clinton - 3312
Obama - 5378

(difference of 2066)

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Delegate breakdown:
Clinton - 5
Obama - 7

[JJ4Hillary]

Here's the final breakdown of the Wyoming Caucus:

Total Votes:
Clinton - 3312
Obama - 5378

(difference of 2066)

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Delegate breakdown:
Clinton - 5
Obama - 7


Thanks.:) Wow she pull it off really good on the delegate count. just 2 delegates difference.

Odrama be careful, hillary is coming with a full force in Mississippi.:D:cool:

[skc1976]

Let's put Obama's "win" here in perspective!

This state has been Republican since 1968!

WYOMING - GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS HISTORY (http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/compare.php?year=2004&fips=56&f=0&off=0&elect=0&type=state)

And Mitt Romney has won the Republican caucus and he's not even in the race anymore!

So...the result is irrelevant in terms of importance to the General Election

LMAO :D:D:D:D When I got home, looked at the results, and saw that Mitt Romney won the GOP side, I busted a gut. This is a man that has a suspended campaign and isn't running further and WON the caucus. And, he wins and only gets 2 delegates and McCain gets 5 of them with 0% of the vote. Sounds like an ODD process and state to me!

[samkm]

Can any of you get me connected with them?

Someone from wyoming wrote yesterday saying he was with his wife and one of us called.. then they went to the caucus... the man had to endorse/second Hillary's candidacy. A man had fainted outside the door due to sun, etc..

I was his caller. I am the one who spoke with his wife and then him... and urged them to get there early.. Just want to reconnect and say thanks for making it there. Tried searching a lot but cant find.. Tried to find his blog.. but cant find it. I was interrupted by my phonecalling. (multi-tasking here)

[xyndau]

Sudhakm, yesterday you reported problems that caucus times and caucus locations were changed, and folks being confused. The one location, forget which, you mentioned was changed from 4 in the afternoon, to early in the morning. I tried to find media coverage of these problems with no real success. Are you on the ground there in Wyoming and can you fill us in on the problems? I really think, if there were serious problems, Hillary should challenge them in court. Yes, there are only 12 delegates at stake, but overall I think Hillary needs to emphasize to the superdelegates that the caucuses should not be a deciding factor in the nominee because they are rife with problems and voter disenfranchisement. The sick, elderly, those working shifts and unable to leave work, those with small children who are unable to attend several hours of caucusing are all at a disadvantage. You could be a big help by posting some details of the problems you have heard about. One of the things that struck me is if you watched the coverage of Hillary's rallies in Wyoming, and even Obama's, there appeared to be several thousands of folks attending. Yet, in terms of the actual caucus results, you have only about 8,000 votes for the entire state of Wyoming - that fact, alone, speaks loudly that something is wrong!

[emmyCA]

Caucaus is a fraud, is not acceptable, unfair...Please call and write to DNC to address yoru concern!!!