(Oct. 21, 2008): Andy Martin in Hawaii update: Obama suspended campaign to go to Hawaii (Discussion Thread)

[lynfreedom]

As said on the other thread, I hope his Grandmother is ok; however, I did not believe her illnes is the reason to go to Hawaii; otherwise, he would have gone when she went into the hospital, not days after she was released. I had written Andy and told him earlier and asked him what he knew about the Grandmother. this is what I have so far. The email address I use for his personal has a tendency not to get me a reply for awhile if he is not in it.

Martin's Hawai'i investigaiton causes Obama to panic and suspend his presidential campaign to head off Andy's stories.

NOTE: Today's scheduled column has been preempted because of the suspension of the Obama campaign. "Obama and Islam, Again" will appear next Monday. (Part Two of the Hawai'i series will appear as scheduled on Tuesday the 21st. Our calendar was thrown off schedule by the birth certificate litigation.)
Chicago crusader Andy Martin is on the verge of taking down the Obama campaign

(HONOLULU, HI)(October 20, 2008) You have to turn to Hollywood and "High Noon" to find more drama than the confrontation building in Hawai'i. The good sheriff stands alone against the Obama Gang. Eliot Ness and the Untouchables? The Long Ranger? Pick your own hero. Martin vs. Obama explodes into a Hollywood classic.

I will do my best to defeat Obama even though I essentially stand alone. I stand tall. All of the protagonists are from Chicago. Despite ridicule and envy from Chicago's corrupt mainstream media, I have spent over forty years successfully fighting crooked politicians like Barack Obama and his Daley Machine cronies.

But take a look at one of the most dramatic time lines in recent political history.

Two weeks ago on October 5th Sean Hannity aired a program that terrified the Obama campaign. You can probably see my role at FoxNews.com or on YouTube. The New York Times itself reported that the morning after Hannity's program, I became the target of a massive liberal assault at the Times. On October 6th I wrote a column predicting that Hannity's show would become the most important political program of 2008. On direct orders from the Emperor Obama, the New York Times then unleashed its smear machine on me.

One week ago, on October 13th, the Times tried to destroy me with a front-page package of lies, distortions and outright fraud. The Times failed. My investigative team arrived in Hawai'i and began to dig, dig, dig.

I also predicted in a column that attacking me was the first big mistake Obama and the Times had committed. You be the judge of whether I am being proven correct.

I am still standing and the Times' credibility is going into the toilet.

Before my team left for Hawai'i I predicted we would bring down Obama. By sheer coincidence, one TV network was interested in my mission and has been tagging along with a camera crew.

Monday (today) we petitioned the Hawai'i Supreme Court to order Obama's secret birth records released.

How did Obama respond? He suddenly discovered that his grandmother, who had supposedly been released from her hospital a week ago, when he showed no interest in her, needed his immediate attention. Cool, calm, collected Obama suddenly suspended his campaign and headed for Hawai'i.

High Noon.

I have been issuing reports from Hawaii and we are on the streets digging for the truth. This weekend we issued our story list for Monday-Wednesday (Monday has been rescheduled—see above).

What has Obama done? Cancelled his campaign and announced he is jumping on a plane to join Andy Martin in Hawai'i. Welcome home, Barry (Obama's grandmother calls him "Barry.")

High Noon in Hawaii.

Barack Obama vs. Andy Martin. The drama builds as we move closer and closer to disclosing the dramatic truth about Barack Obama.

Was I right when I predicted Obama made a classic mistake when he attacked me? Will Jim Rutenberg and all of the other Times slimeballs regret their malicious attacks? You betcha.

Obama did not pay any attention to his grandmother until I showed up in Honolulu. Suddenly she is the center of his attention. She is so central to his campaign that he has suspended it! But when Obama was here last summer he only visited his grandmother for an hour. One hour! Now he suspends his campaign for her?

Could anyone have predicted a more dramatic series of developing events? Hannity puts me on the air as the Chicago expert who confirms the links between Obama and his longstanding anti-American, terror network. Obama's goon squads immediately try to smear me in retaliation. The New York Times creates a front-page story out of 25 and 35 year-old nonsense in a desperate attempt to discredit and derail my upcoming Hawai'i investigation.

And Andy Martin's investigative team lands in Honolulu and goes where no mainstream media have gone before, on the streets of Honolulu to dig out the secret truths about Barack Obama.

Hawai'i Five-O looks tame by comparison.

I am still standing, fighting, and investigating, right here in Obamaland. And Hannity's dramatic show on October 5th will prove to be the turning point in the fight to retake America from the Obamabots and their crooked clandestine campaign cash (Without Andy, Hannity's second show on October 19th was dull by comparison and provoked no response from the Times or Obama).

The day we landed in Honolulu was Obama's D-Day. He can't scare us. He can't stop us. He can't intimidate us and the New York Times can't smear us with lies, half-truths and distortions.

The irony in all of this television drama is that Fox News is not the network following me around Hawaii. I will leave it to the network to disclose which one it is.

Barack Obama is looking increasingly like a desperate, doomed candidate whose Big Lie is about to be exposed.

The New York Times tried to suggest I exaggerate. Do I exaggerate? Apparently Barack Obama doesn't think so. He knows what I know. And soon you will know what Obama and I know.
What Obama fears most is that I search for the truth not because I am associated with McCain (I am not) or because I am a partisan Republican (I am not a right-winger). Rather I search for the truth for the sake of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I took an oath as an 18 year old to defend the Constitution of the United States from its enemies.

Barack Obama is an enemy of the Constitution. He is using tens of millions of dollars in clandestine campaign cash from unknown sources to stage an electoral coup d'etat in our nation. That is why I keep fighting for the truth.

Barack Obama has been lying to the American people. And his Big Lie is about to be exposed.


Now that his secrets are on the verge of being revealed he has panicked and suspended his campaign to visit Hawai'i. Do you believe Obama's explanation for the sudden trip?

Or do you believe me?

Do you believe the smear merchants at the New York Times? Or my truthful words on Sean Hannity's America?

If Barack Obama is defeated, he will have two people to blame: me and Sean Hannity.

It doesn't get any better than this.

Stay tuned for High Noon in Honolulu.


[Note: we will be posting our Hawai'i Supreme Court petition on our blogs later tonight.]

Hardly had this posted when he set me the documents. Sorry for the formatting. I am too tired to clean it up from the email. Since it has been Saturday night since I went to bed...I really want to finish a couple of things and get in there. Trying for hours and get sidetracked.

IN THE

SUPREME COURT OF HAWAI'I


SUPREME COURT DOCKET NUMBER: 29414



ANDY MARTIN,

Petitioner,

HON. LINDA LINGLE, in her
official capacity as Governor;
DR. CHIYOME FUKINO, in her
official capacity as Director
of the Department of Health,
HON. BERT AYABE, in his official
capacity as Circuit Judge,

Respondents.

___________________________________


EMERGENCY PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS

INTRODUCTION AND PRELIMINARY STATEMENT
The question of the authenticity and public availability of the birth certificate of Senator Barack Obama (hereinafter "Obama") has become a source of increasing embarrassment for Hawai'i Government.
Although Obama has purportedly posted a copy of his birth certificate on his own web site, and others claim to have posted other versions, Obama refuses to allow public access to the official records of the State of Hawaii.
Petitioner is an author and columnist who came to Hawai'i to do research on Obama's years in Hawai'i. After arriving in Honolulu, Petitioner decided he needed a copy of the original birth certificate, as well as any official files relating to the issuance of said certificate.
The Executive Branch Department of Health has repeatedly and egregiously mischaracterized the Hawai'i statute governing access to birth certificates, and did so again on October 17th in a statement to the Honolulu Advertiser.
Petitioner applies to this Court for an appropriate writ, and offers two separate avenues of potential relief for the Court to consider.

I.

JURISDICTION
This court has jurisdiction of this Petition pursuant to HRS § 602-5 (a)(3).

II.
FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS
1. The Petitioner
Petitioner Andy Martin has been writing about Obama for over four years. Petitioner is the author of the best selling book "Obama: The Man Behind The Mask."
Petitioner publishes an Internet newspaper, http://ContrarianCommentary.com, as well as related blogs, http://Contrariancommentary.wordpress.com and http://ContrarianCommentary.blogspot.com.

Although Petitioner is not a practicing attorney, he is a respected public interest and consumer rights litigator, see http://www.AndyMartin.com. He holds a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Illinois College of Law.
For example, in 2003 the Pennsylvania Supreme Court granted Petitioner special leave of court to represent a U.S. Marine in a landmark case arising under the Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act of 1940, see http://www.firstrespondersonline.us/director.htm (see attached).
Petitioner is also highly controversial. His corruption-fighting efforts in the Illinois courts and federal courts have provoked intense hostility and counter-reactions from judges who were the targets of his exposures see http://www.AndyMartin.com. These judges have sought to vilify and demonize petitioner, and Obama has sought to use these corrupt techniques to divert attention from Obama's own questionable personal history.
Petitioner is undaunted.

In Hawai'i, petitioner is accompanied by a network television camera crew. Thus the bona fide news value of his current litigation activity is not subject to question.
2. The Respondents
A. Respondent Linda Lingle is named in her official capacity as Governor and Chief Executive of the Executive Branch of Hawai'i government.
B. Respondent Dr. Chiyome Fukino is joined in her official capacity as Director of the Hawai'i Department of Health.
C. The Hon. Bert Ayabe is named in his official capacity as a Circuit Judge of the First Circuit. As will be shown below, Judge Ayabe's joinder in this petition does not necessarily involve any criticism of the judge and reflects the absence of any local rules to govern the judge's authority.
3. The birth certificate (certificate of live birth)
A. For the convenience of this court, Petitioner has submitted a copy of the Circuit Court proceedings as a separate Appendix. Those documents are incorporated by reference in this petition.
B. In summary, Petitioner applied for and was denied a copy of Obama's birth certificate. Petitioner then commenced a proceeding in the First Circuit on October 17, 2008 while still physically present in Honolulu.
C. Petitioner notified Judge Ayabe of Petitioner's limited availability in Hawaii, and requested or suggested an emergency hearing.
D. Judge Ayabe responded promptly through his judicial assistant with a hearing date after the 2008 election on November 7th. Petitioner was also notified that in order to exercise his rights and pursue his petition he would have to return from Chicago to Honolulu, as there was no provision for telephone hearings. (It was not clear whether the judge viewed the absence of telephone rules as a preclusion of telephone hearings, or was imposing his own individual rules of practice).
E. Petitioner was required to file his lawsuit in Hawai'i. No other court system has jurisdiction of local Hawai'i officials. Petitioner should be as welcome in the Hawai'i court system as a Hawai'i citizen would be on the mainland. There are no artificial boundaries or distinctions under the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the U. S. Constitution. If Petitioner must be present in Hawai'i in order to vindicate rights and remedies under the Hawai'i Constitution and statutes he will be precluded from doing so.
F. Hawai'i is a sophisticated international business center. It is simply impractical for parties to be physically present in the State as a precondition of access to Hawai'i government or the judicial system.
G. Rule 11 of the Probate Rules provides for "Telephone Conference Call Hearings." On information and belief there is no parallel provision in the Civil Rules.
H. Petitioner remains present in Hawai'i through October 22nd and available for emergency hearings in person.
I. This Court can take its own judicial or official notice that numerous state and federal court systems provide for telephonic participation, see e.g. Florida Rules of Judicial Administration 2.530.

III.
RELIEF REQUESTED
This Court can deal with this petition by either one of two separate approaches.
First, the Court could decide that the Executive Branch's misapplication and misinterpretation of the relevant statute (see Exhibit 1 to the Circuit Court Complaint) raises issues of sufficiently great public and national importance that the Court will entertain the issues presented as a matter of the exercise of this Court's original jurisdiction. In that case the writ of mandamus, if granted, would issue directly to the executive branch and Judge Ayabe's role would become moot and coram non judice.
Second, this Court could decide that the Circuit Court should conduct an expedited hearing, and do so either while Petitioner is still physically present in Hawai'i or while Petitioner is allowed to participate on the telephone, directing that the Circuit Judge either schedule a prompt hearing or ask that the case be reassigned to a judge who can conduct a hearing before the 2008 election. In that case the writ, if granted, would issue to the Circuit Judge.
The approach which this Court prefers to adopt is entirely at the discretion of the tribunal.
IV.

BASIS FOR GRANTING RELIEF

A. The constitutional issue
In Elrod v. Burns, 427 U.S. 347, 373, 96 S. Ct. 2673, (1976) the Supreme Court stated "The loss of First Amendment freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury." The authenticity and contents of a presidential candidate's birth certificate is at the apex of First Amendment concerns, Monitor Patriot v. Roy, 401 U.S. 265, 91 S.Ct. 621 (1971)("[I]t can hardly be doubted that the constitutional guarantee has its fullest and most urgent application precisely to the conduct of campaigns for political office.")
To say that a proceeding will not be convened until after the election is to create the very type of unconstitutional delay precluded by Elrod, and creates a justifiable public suspicion of a conspiracy and cover-up by Hawai'i officials.
Elrod does not appear to have been cited by any Hawai'i court but has been cited numerous times by federal judges in Honolulu, see e.g. Rapp v. Disciplinary Board, 916 F. Supp. 1525, 1539 (D. Hawai'i 1996); Walsh v. Honolulu, 423 F.Supp.2d 1094, 1108 (D. Hawai'i 2006); Swanson v. University, 269 F. Supp. 1252, 1260 (D. Hawai'i 2003); Legal Aid v. Legal Services, 961 F. Supp. 1402, 1417 (D. Hawai'i 1997). Although Petitioner filed his Circuit Court lawsuit under the Hawai'i Constitution and not the First Amendment, this Court has previously interpreted those rights to be coextensive.

B. The procedural issue
There is an anomaly under Hawai'i procedure where probate rules provide for telephone hearings but civil rules do not. Perhaps this gap motivated the circuit judge to deny a hearing, or to adhere to such procedures as a general practice.
Certainly in the modern commercial age, with Hawai'i at the crossroads of international business, antiquated notions of physical presence as a precondition for access to Hawai'i government should be reconsidered. The Privileges and Immunities Clause of the U.S. Constitution would also appear to lean in favor of allowing out-of-state litigants from the mainland to be heard by telephone.

C. The substantive issue
a. The statute
HRS § 338-18 (b) limits disclosure of records to persons having "a direct and tangible interest in the record." The statute then provides thirteen (13) examples as illustrative, but not exclusive, including number (9): "A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction."
The Respondents have steadfastly misinterpreted the "direct and tangible interest" standard into one requiring a direct and tangible "relationship" between the party and the record. Thus there is a serious abuse of discretion and statutory misinterpretation by the executive branch. The Respondents have persisted in this misinterpretation despite notice that their interpretation of the statute was a misinterpretation, and will no doubt proffer the same misinterpretation to this Court as their initial response to this petition.
Researchers, scholars, writers and news media—and Petitioner has attributes of all of the foregoing—have a "tangible interest" in many public citizens without any "relationship" to those persons. Petitioner is sensitive to privacy issues and identity theft issues. But no one is likely to try to hold themselves out to be "Barack Obama" using a birth certificate issued by Respondents.
Nevertheless, the very vehemence with which Hawai'i officials have misconstrued a state statue, and the manner in which Obama has attempted to manipulate and control access to his personal records (see infra), raise legitimate suspicions in the mind of the public.
b. The waiver and admission issues
Obama claims that he has posted a conformed copy of his birth certificate on a web site. It is impossible to say whether this assertion is true, because Petitioner has no official copy to compare to the Internet version. Obama has not posted any of the source information or supporting data. If Obama has posted a version of his birth certificate, it would appear he has waived any privacy issues and the statutory restrictions on issuance of a copy to Petitioner no longer apply.
It is indeed a very peculiar state as now exists where Obama claims he has released his birth certificate or at least his latest version of the document, and yet claims that no one should be able to obtain an official copy of the same document from the State of Hawai'i or review the source information for the certificate. Waiver would appear to be applicable and render nugatory any privacy concerns.
Obama has claimed he was born in a Honolulu hospital, but there is no verifiable evidence to sustain that claim. An examination of birth records is thus essential to resolve the lingering doubts.
As judges, certainly the members of this Court are aware that punctilious concern for accuracy would mandate that any counsel preparing a case in which the birth certificate was an issue, must obtain a certified copy and not a copy grabbed off an Internet web site. As an author and columnist, Petitioner adheres to the same high standards of accuracy in the search for original truth.
The fact that Obama has in fact posted his birth certificate on the Internet is a confirmation that he believes that issue is a topic of legitimate public interest.
D. The common law writ of mandamus
Petitioner has reviewed this Court's jurisprudence concerning and construing the common law writ of mandamus. Petitioner submits that the extraordinary facts of this Petition provide a basis for extraordinary and emergency action. As the attached docket sheet from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court attests, Petitioner is experienced in preparing, filing and obtaining relief through extraordinary writs on an emergency basis.

CONCLUSION
Most respectfully, Petitioner asks this Court to take emergency action and to grant one of the alternative forms of relief outlined in this petition.


DATED: October 20, 2008
Honolulu, HI
Respectfully submitted,
ANDY MARTIN

[i hate nbc and cnn]

ill say the same thing you said i hope his grandmother gets better i have nothing against her i am against obama and him saying i need to spend time with my grandmother because martin is getting the truth about obama. i just hope the msm covers this

[Kathy1980]

WHOA...

[Annie]

All very interesting but so far a lot of talk about talking... Instead of talking about it why not just bring it all out in one go... quickly. Otherwise ......

p.s. I wish his Grandmother well if she is indeed ill - she is 85 after all and has been incommunicado for some time it would seem. I hope she is surrounded by good friends.

[Centipede]

It sounds like a lot of hype to me.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Centipede

It sounds like a lot of hype to me.

Andy Martin is one of the more reliable sources that documents all the information along the way compared to other sources.

If he suspects "bull" he'll more then gladly point it out, or point out if he is wrong.

He isn't hiding behind some desk in Norway.

Note: Freepers have caught unto this thread.

[SadStateOfAffairs]

I wonder if Andy got to have a little chat with grandma......LOL

[Dendy]

I want to see the prove first!
I’m done with all the hype.
First “whitey” tape then Odinga then Burg now Andy and apparently one more “whitey” tape.
It seems like all of those people are simply making name for themselves without showing us any prove.
We’ve been waiting for something since Hillary ran and I’m just done with it.
The speculations are making us look bad.

[foxyladi]

Originally Posted by Dendy

I want to see the prove first!
I’m done with all the hype.
First “whitey” tape then Odinga then Burg now Andy and apparently one more “whitey” tape.
It seems like all of those people are simply making name for themselves without showing us any prove.
We’ve been waiting for something since Hillary ran and I’m just done with it.
The speculations are making us look bad.

stamp

[Carolyn]

He certainly doesn't lack for arrogrance, does he? -- Andy, I mean. I'm tired of all the promises. The clock is ticking and in two weeks, one way or the other, it won't matter anymore. It may not matter now if BO and the media have succeeded in convincing enough people that any criticism of him -- including questions about his status as a natural born citizen! -- are either racist or a despicable smear campaign by an egomaniacal nut (which is how they have successfully characterized Andy Martin, Philip Berg, and Larry Sinclair).

[rosesnc]

Well I lived in Missouri a long time. I need to see it. On the other hand, if Sen. Government's grandmother is so ill, why doesn't he just drop everything and go immediately? He doesn't have to wait to get plane tickets or anything, he's got his own campaign plane.

Anyone of us would be rushing around, first explain to our bosses at work, go to schools to arrange for the kids to be absent, arrange for the petsto be cared for, pack, arrange plane tickets, calling to cancel social engagements and calling special friends to let them know what is going on.

Sen Government is still campaigning, not even canceling everything and not going for several days. Not normal behavior in my opinion.

[Hali436]

No offense IF his grandmother is really sick, but the first thought I had was he needed an excuse to get back to Hawaii for personal stuff. Maybe something about his birth certificate. I mean, she's sick, and he waits 3 days to go see her? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Violet]

What are Freepers?

[Bella]

OMG this is so it! *YAWN*

Where is the birth certificate?

Where is the whitey tape?

Where is Sinclair's proof and witnesses?

Let's see...two more weeks and all we still have are people making promises and Wait Wait Wait it's comin!

After the election these peeps should go crawl back under their rocks where they came from out of shame for fooling and leading people on. So pissed.

[Laura Cereta]

Originally Posted by Annie

All very interesting but so far a lot of talk about talking... Instead of talking about it why not just bring it all out in one go... quickly. Otherwise ......

p.s. I wish his Grandmother well if she is indeed ill - she is 85 after all and has been incommunicado for some time it would seem. I hope she is surrounded by good friends.

Yes, I'm see a lot of build up but we've had out hopes raised too many times only to have them dashed. If Martin has something relevant to say concerning the election, he needs to say it. The same goes for the African International Press. I'm tired of these games. Come clean or shut up.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Violet

What are Freepers?

Freepers are members from another forum called Free Republic. The majority of their members are conservative.

They usually lurk the forum for "inspiration" and are a high traffic source.

[Lynne]

Sorry folks. But I think the research by the forum and other internet bloggers have yielded the best results. What is missing is a way to get the information out. It seems that if there is a need for a media specialist to provide guidance on the best format to communicate the information to the public. Us home grown grassroots researchers are the ones with the true committment to change and not hype and not personal professional gain. I would volunteer but I am not good with the media. I am a researcher that is long and windy. [How many short posts do you see from me?]

[Violet]

Originally Posted by Laura Cereta

Yes, I'm see a lot of build up but we've had out hopes raised too many times only to have them dashed. If Martin has something relevant to say concerning the election, he needs to say it. The same goes for the African International Press. I'm tired of these games. Come clean or shut up.

There does seem to be a lot of drama queens around these days. I think some people just need the attention.

[Moon Child]

I wish Andy Martin would talk less about himself and more about his proof.

[LucyTN]

I'll be honest and tell you that I never heard of Andy Martin until recently, right here,so I'm not directing anything at him specifically. If ANYONE has first hand information that could alter the outcome of this election, who on earth are they sitting on it? All the drama is well and good but we really have very little time for drama. While we're sitting and waiting and hoping for something, anything that may save this country, people who claim to be in the 'know' are keeping us stirred up and for what? While we're pinning our hopes on someone finding something illegal voters are flocking to the polls to cast their votes for a man who many of us feel is the most illegal voter of them all. As my grandmother used to say when I was a kid, it's time to either sh*t or get off the pot.

[Mrsawd]

I bet Obama going to do some person to person Threats to try to stop !

[Hali436]

Originally Posted by LucyTN

I'll be honest and tell you that I never heard of Andy Martin until recently, right here,so I'm not directing anything at him specifically. If ANYONE has first hand information that could alter the outcome of this election, who on earth are they sitting on it? All the drama is well and good but we really have very little time for drama. While we're sitting and waiting and hoping for something, anything that may save this country, people who claim to be in the 'know' are keeping us stirred up and for what? While we're pinning our hopes on someone finding something illegal voters are flocking to the polls to cast their votes for a man who many of us feel is the most illegal voter of them all. As my grandmother used to say when I was a kid, it's time to either sh*t or get off the pot.

Actually, with how everything seems to roll off Obama's back, the closer to the election the better for anything to come out. Most, if not all, who were going to vote early have already, so this needs to affect all the rest.

[Karee Wyoming]

[QUOTE=lynfreedom;464855]As said on the other thread, I hope his Grandmother is ok; however, I did not believe her illnes is the reason to go to Hawaii; otherwise, he would have gone when she went into the hospital, not days after she was released. I had written Andy and told him earlier and asked him what he knew about the Grandmother. this is what I have so far. The email address I use for his personal has a tendency not to get me a reply for awhile if he is not in it.



Hardly had this posted when he set me the documents. Sorry for the formatting. I am too tired to clean it up from the email. Since it has been Saturday night since I went to bed...I really want to finish a couple of things and get in there. Trying for hours and get sidetracked.[/QUOT

I find it hard to believe that the self serving Messia would ever go back to Hawaii unless gramma was on her death bed, which apparently she is not. I find it so strange that the O-Bamas are the only family she has and if she is that frail, why do they keep her hidden in Hawaii, most familys would have her with them and taking care of her.
I hope Andy and TV crew are able to see just how much time he really spends with her & if Mo and children are going too. I think this is just a set up and the real reason is all about what Andy is trying to bring out.

You know what, even if Andy cannot get the truth out untill after the election, O-bama will be proven a illigit. pres. I thinkl we are being way too hard on Andy, please please be patient, He is fighting and trying to get out the truth which is one big task when it comes to BO and his smear machine!!!!

[Still-a-Republican]

Now that his secrets are on the verge of being revealed he has panicked and suspended his campaign to visit Hawai'i. Do you believe Obama's explanation for the sudden trip?

The whole "the tapes will be released soon" "the information will be released soon" deal is getting very old! I am convinced there is no October surprise except for the ones we already have, ACORN Ayres ect...

[DC_Mark]

Before people read too much into this, I want to remind people that Jill Biden's mother died on the day Biden canceled campaign events.

There's in something odd though about announcing his departure from the trail three days in advance.

[KathyforHillary]

I am wondering if he needs to get out of the country...mainland...because of something else...like Berg's lawsuit in PA. Did he get word the judge is about to make a decision? I really don't believe the grandma story...he did not even go to see his mother when she was dying.

Tomorrow my Senator along with Senator Lindsay Graham and others will be here at the McCain campaign headquarters. I wrote my Senator weeks ago about OB's credentials for POTUS and whether he had been vetted by the FBI. If I can make it to the event, I am going to go right up to my Senator and ask him why Obama does not have to produce a birth certificate and what kind of security clearance he has. Why is Obama above the law? Why does he not have to reveal the sources of his money? Why are foreign nationals allowed to donate to his compaign. I want some answers.

[cynthia2]

Originally Posted by rosesnc

Well I lived in Missouri a long time. I need to see it. On the other hand, if Sen. Government's grandmother is so ill, why doesn't he just drop everything and go immediately? He doesn't have to wait to get plane tickets or anything, he's got his own campaign plane.

Anyone of us would be rushing around, first explain to our bosses at work, go to schools to arrange for the kids to be absent, arrange for the petsto be cared for, pack, arrange plane tickets, calling to cancel social engagements and calling special friends to let them know what is going on.

Sen Government is still campaigning, not even canceling everything and not going for several days. Not normal behavior in my opinion.

I totally agree with your assesment here. If it's such a dire situation then why is he announcing on Monday that he will go on Thursday. This doesn't add up!

[Vici57]

What else seem so strange is he is flying to Hawaii after an event on Thursday and then will return to campaigning on Saturday. That's not exactly 2 days with his Grandmother. Besides, how does he know that he will be able to return on Saturday. This visit is planned out for some reason. Just seems odd. Why not leave today like the rest of the so call normal people?

[timepassages]

Like you I had never heard of him, until a few months ago. I can say, I have spoken to him. Or say, he has spoken to me, as it is hard to get a word in with him interrupting or yelling. I wish this were not the case, but its true. I was involved in a converstaion with him regarding this trip. Or should I say he shouted orders and told us. Questions were asked about Phil Bergs case, and Andy did not want to talk about that. All he wanted to talk about is going to hawaii, and stated he thought Phil's lawsuit was going no where. So, his filing of this surprised me. I am not sure what is going on, but if he has evidence, he should release it. I am not all convinced this is any more than hype. Sorry, everyone......

[SugnSpicesmom]

I am not sure what is going on, but if he has evidence, he should release it. I am not all convinced this is any more than hype. Sorry, everyone......

Gotta agree with you here. I have long wondered about Andy Martin and all his rantings, supposed "press conferences," supposed "inside information," etc. The fact that he keeps saying he's going to announce this on such and such a date, that he has this information and that information, and "Oh just wait until I expose Obama" crap - yet NOTHING ever comes of it. Absolutely NOTHING.

Every election year a few loons come out of the woodwork and try to gain their 15 minutes of fame. Gotta say that I suspect this is exactly what is going on here. I could be wrong and the timing of Obama's grandmother's illness and his need to rush to her side is suspect but I doubt that Andy Martin and his trip there is connected in any way.

And by the way, just what exactly has happened with Jerome Corsi and all his supposed Kenya information? Haven't heard a peep out of him since he came back with his "astonishing" e-mails.

[timepassages]

I have to wonder how he would get any inside info? Considering he talks to much and so loud, no one can get a word in.. LOL! Sorry but it true!! You have to listen sometimes to learn things....

[foxyladi]

Originally Posted by i hate nbc and cnn

ill say the same thing you said i hope his grandmother gets better i have nothing against her i am against obama and him saying i need to spend time with my grandmother because martin is getting the truth about obama. i just hope the msm covers this

typical white woman?????

[foxyladi]

Originally Posted by Vici57

What else seem so strange is he is flying to Hawaii after an event on Thursday and then will return to campaigning on Saturday. That's not exactly 2 days with his Grandmother. Besides, how does he know that he will be able to return on Saturday. This visit is planned out for some reason. Just seems odd. Why not leave today like the rest of the so call normal people?

i was wondering that too.heard first thing this morning about,grandma being ill,,
yet he is in florida campaigning what.......

[Still-a-Republican]

Larry Johnson at NQ just wrote an article about the rumors that basically say's the "Whitey" tape wont be used, Bergs case is going nowhere and that he is not sure about Martin. Larry mentioned this forum in the article.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10...tin/#more-5586

[Tea toaD]

Originally Posted by SugnSpicesmom

Gotta agree with you here. I have long wondered about Andy Martin and all his rantings, supposed "press conferences," supposed "inside information," etc. The fact that he keeps saying he's going to announce this on such and such a date, that he has this information and that information, and "Oh just wait until I expose Obama" crap - yet NOTHING ever comes of it. Absolutely NOTHING.

Every election year a few loons come out of the woodwork and try to gain their 15 minutes of fame. Gotta say that I suspect this is exactly what is going on here. I could be wrong and the timing of Obama's grandmother's illness and his need to rush to her side is suspect but I doubt that Andy Martin and his trip there is connected in any way.

And by the way, just what exactly has happened with Jerome Corsi and all his supposed Kenya information? Haven't heard a peep out of him since he came back with his "astonishing" e-mails.

I'm beginning to think that nothing is going to become of this. ACORN is the only thing that is being reported with good cause of course. We're putting too much faith in Oct. Surprises. ACORN is the key. I heard someone from Ohio say that it might take 6-9 months for this to be sorted out. So, it's comes down to who do the people want as President. ACORN is still thriving even with all the media reports. You would think that with this knowledge of massive cheating, this would be enough to turn things around. If his Ayers connection didn't do it, then the economy and Obama's slick rhetoric is trumping everything

[AnnaB]

Frankly, with Joe the Plumber, Acorn, and Joe Biden's recent gift, we have quite a bit of recent stuff to work with.

[mjoynaples]

Originally Posted by Vici57

What else seem so strange is he is flying to Hawaii after an event on Thursday and then will return to campaigning on Saturday. That's not exactly 2 days with his Grandmother. Besides, how does he know that he will be able to return on Saturday. This visit is planned out for some reason. Just seems odd. Why not leave today like the rest of the so call normal people?

or it's appeal or whatever is going on about that? too far-fetched?

[PoliticalSleuth]

The whole thing does NOT add up, for sure. I do not trust Obama and I'm feeling so helpless right now, knowing this fraud is setting himself up for the job of 'king' and none of the things we know about him - and none of the stuff we don't know - is being investigated or made public in a big way. Clearly, based on his response (or lack thereof) in the Berg case he thinks he is above the law. And what's really odd is that he suddenly feels the need to fly to Hawaii? Emergency with two day notice and finite time there?

Martin has stirred up something that Obama feels the need to protect - himself.

I'd posted early this AM here: http://www.theotherdemocrats.com/ind...?showtopic=407

http://news.aol.com/elections/articl...356x1200738664
Ok, call me crazy but this is an 'odd coincidence'. Long-time Obama 'nemesis' Andy Martin has been on the ground in Hawaii about a week now, filed suit against the State to see Obama's file birth certificate and is investigating Obama's Hawaii background. The Obamans have had Ms. Madelyn under wraps and kept her from the Press for his entire political career and ESPECIALLY the past 6 months. She's not allowed to see or talk to anyone. He's disowned this poor woman except to call her a racist. SHE'S the one who raised him and SHE'S the one who paid for him to be in expensive prep schools (while his mother was applying for food stamps, btw.) She was the only stability he had and he has treated her like shit.

So pardon me if it feels kind of 'convenient' that he brings her to the forefront now.

See, I don't put ANYTHING past Obama and Axelrod.

and I'd also posted this:

I was thinking about how they've literally gagged her the past few years. She's not allowed to talk to ANYONE. Yet, now? When he needs the 'bump', he suddenly gives a shit?

I was reading in Martin's book yesterday, that the woman that Obama claims is his Kenyan grandmother (Granny) is no such thing. She's his grandfather's third wife. He's exalted his Kenyan family to a high position because it suits him politically, yet he has virtually ignored his grandmother who actually RAISED him when his mother was off on her odd shit life. His grandmother is the one who had him in the expensive prep school when his mother showed up on the scene briefly, and managed to get herself on welfare and food stamps. How odd is this? This whole 'single parent family, mother on food stamps' thing is crap. How must his grandmother have felt all this time he was spewing that crap when she was paying through her own hard work, to keep him in an expensive prep school? (Also, this thing about his mother and Kansas - bullshit. She was born in KS but she grew up in Washington St.) He uses only what he thinks is convenient.

It makes me angry that the only time he's ever said anything about his grandmother was when he told the story that painted her as a racist - not as a concerned white woman in the late 50's - in a different time - who was uncomfortable with panhandlers of 'color'.

[LadyVT]

Are there any of us in Hawaii now?

I wonder where he will go when he gets there...

[xfiles]

I got a testy email from Andy when I sent him Phil Berg's recent posting about Obama admitting things due to not timely filing and presenting the things required/asked for. It makes sense to me that Obama doesn't have a US certified legal birth certificate or he would have simply produced it!

Andy does not like Berg for some reason and said in his email that Berg was playing with people.

So I asked Andy if Obama is US born or not and he wouldn't answer but said something about it doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah....

I don't know what to think now esp. after his scathing email!

[portia9]

It would be nice it Martin would stop talking about himself and start dishing out whatever is it he has supposedly found out. From what I could glean about him from the internet, Martin is mostly just a "legend in his own mind." However, it is exceedingly odd that Obama suddenly has to go see his "tutu" because she is deathly ill, and yet he can wait until Thursday to go. Two more weird things about this. First, Sunday is grandma's 85th birthday. One would think if he could wait until Thursday and can only spare one day, he might as well wait until Saturday and then celebrate her birthday with her. Second, there were no news reports of grandma being ill. It seems unbelievable that a close relative of the highly newsworthy BO could be admitted to hospital without at least a small mention in her hometown paper, and yet, nothing. There was even an article about her published in a Honolulu paper yesterday that made no mention of any illness or hospitalization.

[samkm]

Originally Posted by portia9

It would be nice it Martin would stop talking about himself and start dishing out whatever is it he has supposedly found out. From what I could glean about him from the internet, Martin is mostly just a "legend in his own mind."

I have the same problem. I wish he would tone it down about himself.. and the rest of it would have a boatload more credibility. It would even make it easier to read!

[Bella]

I think people are just numb to all the attacks. You know what would've worked, if it came out of nowhere right now? Rev Wright. If the release of those tapes was held off until a week before the election, Obama would surely lose. I remember how stunned and shocked I was, as was my family I was visiting with in FL at the time when it broke in the MSM. Now when I hear of Wright, I'm just like Meh. I just don't think the Ayres thing is even as close since he wasn't a spiritual advisor/mentor/pastor/friend/Uncle of Obama's for 20 years.

With the 527's asleep, I don't think they have anything.

[timepassages]

Originally Posted by timeforrealchange

I got a testy email from Andy when I sent him Phil Berg's recent posting about Obama admitting things due to not timely filing and presenting the things required/asked for. It makes sense to me that Obama doesn't have a US certified legal birth certificate or he would have simply produced it!

Andy does not like Berg for some reason and said in his email that Berg was playing with people.

So I asked Andy if Obama is US born or not and he wouldn't answer but said something about it doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah....

I don't know what to think now esp. after his scathing email!

I got the same thing we I spoke to him, by phone. This was a couple weeks ago. Whenever he was asked about Berg, he got very testy, and refused to say much except, he had told Berg his lawsuit was worthless. Andy thought it would be thrown out, and meant nothing. I got the impression, he was a very overbearing person, for one thing when a lady tried to ask him a question, he yelled over her and said "I am talking now". I got no information from him except about how he was goning to hawaii, and he was right about everything.

[brussell]

Obama's grandmother broke her hip, her brother says
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/bulletin/31759649.html

[Peppermint Patty]

What I'd like to know above all else is why Obama is above the law in regard to having to show his birth certificate???

When any of us applies for a job we have to show proof that we are United States Citizens with documents like b.c., driver's license, passports, etc. A company can legally check on your birth certificate.

Why doesn't Barack Hussein Obama simply pull out his original birth certificate and show the darn thing already??? Why all this stalling, what's the big deal? Such a lawyer, sheesh.

If he was born in Hawaii, just show the world you are eligible to run for POTUS already. This is what's maddening. WHY WON'T OBAMA DO THIS THIS????

So, IS there something to hide? Or is this a way to redirect our efforts away from the campaign issues?

Crazy. Just crazy.

[Tareli]

Originally Posted by Peppermint Patty

What I'd like to know above all else is why Obama is above the law in regard to having to show his birth certificate???

When any of us applies for a job we have to show proof that we are United States Citizens with documents like b.c., driver's license, passports, etc. A company can legally check on your birth certificate.

Why doesn't Barack Hussein Obama simply pull out his original birth certificate and show the darn thing already??? Why all this stalling, what's the big deal? Such a lawyer, sheesh.

If he was born in Hawaii, just show the world you are eligible to run for POTUS already. This is what's maddening. WHY WON'T OBAMA DO THIS THIS????

So, IS there something to hide? Or is this a way to redirect our efforts away from the campaign issues?

Crazy. Just crazy.

Exactly! How did he get this far in politics without having to show his vault birth certificate? That's the million dollar question.

[JamieKuuipo]

Advertiser Staff Writer

An author and avowed opponent of Barack Obama has filed suit against the state seeking to require officials to provide a copy of the Democratic presidential nominee's Hawai'i birth certificate.



Under state law, such copies may only be released to those who have a "tangible relationship" to the person whose record is being sought, said Janice Okubo, state Department of Health spokeswoman.
On average, health officials receive two requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate every three weeks or so, Okubo said.
"The law was enacted primarily to protect your private information, especially in these days where there's ID theft," Okubo said.
The lawsuit was filed yesterday in state Circuit Court by Internet columnist and author Andy Martin.
Martin has written a book called "Senator Obama," and disclosed in a telephone conversation yesterday about his lawsuit that he opposes Obama's election and is the executive director of The Stop Obama Coalition.
The New York Times reported this week that Martin "is widely credited with starting the cyberwhisper campaign that still dogs Mr. Obama."
The New York Times report, dated Oct. 12 on its Web site, described Martin as a "prodigious filer of lawsuits" and said that in a series of interviews he "did not dispute his influence in Obama rumors."
The Times report goes on to say that an examination of legal documents and election filings, along with interviews with Martin's acquaintances, revealed that he is "a man with a history of scintillating if not always factual claims." He has left a trail of animosity — some of it provoked by anti-Jewish comments — among political leaders, lawyers and judges in three states over more than 30 years, the Times report said.
The lawsuit filed in Honolulu seeks to have the court order the state to turn over a copy of Obama's birth certificate, and related files and records.
The lawsuit names Gov. Linda Lingle and Dr. Chiyome Fukino, health department director.
Attorney General Mark Bennett said he had not seen the lawsuit and could not comment on it.
"But pursuant to the Hawai'i Revised Statutes, vital records are confidential and it would violate the law to release them to anyone except the individuals listed in the section," Bennett said.
The suit claims that because Obama is a presidential candidate, releasing his birth certificate is a "topic of intense national speculation."
Obama in March posted a copy of his birth certificate on his Web site, www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate, to prove that he was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu.
Text accompanying the birth certificate on Obama's Web page begins, "The truth about Barack's birth certificate."
"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper — they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.
"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawai'i in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.
"Next time someone talks about Barack's birth certificate, make sure they see this page."
The lawsuit, however, states that because Martin "strives for factual accuracy and attempts to conduct thorough research," he should have a copy of Obama's birth certificate from the state and not a certificate "posted on a Web site."
Martin, whose headquarters is in New York City but is presently in Honolulu, asked the court to consider scheduling an emergency hearing next week so he can participate in person.
"I want to see a certified copy issued by the state of Hawai'i, not one issued by the state of Obama," Martin said in a prepared statement. "What is Obama hiding?"
The state's seal is embossed on the back side of all birth certificates.
The law that restricts the release of vital records dates to 1949, Okubo said. Many other states have similar laws on vital records, she said.
Hawai'i law states that only the person whom the record is concerned with, or a spouse, parents, descendant or someone with a common ancestor, can obtain a copy of a vital record. In addition, someone acting on behalf of the person — a personal representative or adoptive parents — can obtain a vital record. A copy could also be obtained via court order.
However, Okubo said, "If someone from Obama's campaign gave us permission in person and presented some kind of verification that he or she was Obama's designee, we could release the vital record."
Reach Suzanne Roig at sroig@honoluluadvertiser.com.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...WS05/810180353

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[xfiles]

OK, time to take things into our own hands. Let's blog, send to MSM, local statewide newspapers (links in stickies), the local links in this post, the HI Dept of whatever that has control over copies of vault birth certificates.

This is a possible fraudulent presidential candidate and we need to tell them that the rules for privacy do not apply in this situation. We have the right to know if he is a US born naturalized citizen or not!

Let's get going!!

[Avalon]

My gut tells me BHO went to Hawaii suddenly because of what ever Andy Martin is uncovering or attempting to uncover. I really hope and pray his Grandmother is Ok and that I am not speaking ill of his true motive incorrectly. He has shown so little care for her in the past that his suspending his campaign at the same time Martin is digging around in Hawaii seems a little too coincidental. However, this does not mean that I expect anything comes of all of this. Either show us the proof or stop getting our hopes up. My hope of anything coming of the birth certificate (or lack thereof) and the whitey tape and the AFI issue are extremely low. If something does come through and finally expose BHO for the fraud he is and for all the world to see, that would be wonderful. But, like most of you here, I am not holding my breath. I will believe it when I see it.